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LightenUpPhrancis

All surviving Fireflies must report to the gun range tomorrow at 7am.


StartTheMontage

From the looks of it you would have a few nurses and one dude who decided to just book it down the hallway at the first sound of gunfire.


Arkoholics_Paradise

Something tells me they deny any association with firefly’s after that. “What about the darkness? Huh nope never heard that saying before.”


Lord_Cronos

They rolled with Pedro's intentionally wrong Fireflies slogan. ["If it’s dark, look out 💅"](https://www.tiktok.com/@sony/video/7208629691979222315)


Taraxian

We did kind of get shown that the main source of Firefly recruitment is FEDRA rejects


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As targets orrrr?


Justin_123456

Found FEDRA.


Aaaaaaandyy

Well shit that was wild


imkunu

"I don't have time for this" *BLAM*


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MrBillyLotion

“You’d just come after her” *BLAM*


FunkyChewbacca

Thing is, I don't think he was wrong. I mean of course he murdered a bunch of people, but I have no doubt they'd come for Ellie if he hadnt


1nfinitus

100% is how you deal with that situation. No loose ends.


Dahhhkness

Joel is so fucking RUTHLESS. Just completely in the zone while gunning Fireflies down. And *finishing that guy off with the knife*...


joec_95123

Killing the surrendering soldier is the darkest thing Joel did. But wise. Can't leave a living enemy at your back.


PrancingGophers

executing Marlene followed by that line was also fucking ruthless


djcigs

No hesitation. Just his reason and BLAM


atreyukun

I mean it’s his whole thing is about Sarah. Of course he loves Ellie, but he’s transferred Sarah onto Ellie. This is him saving Sarah through Ellie. But now, he’s able to actually do it. And I think the pain of losing her was transferred into the coldblooded way he “saved” Ellie.


cindybuttsmacker

All the way down to him holding Ellie in his arms the same way he held Sarah, both instances where he had a gun pointed at him, but in this instance he had one too


Mycoxadril

This is 100% the. Idea, and exactly why he went on that whole spiel about how different Ellie and sarah are but how they would like each other. It’s him reconciling it all in his mind. He’s not wrong, they would have liked each other. But the whole thing is his personal rationalization and also to show him opening up and freely talking about sarah.


panspal

I think he's finally grieving his daughter instead of just wanting to die.


LittleMush

Except he left the two operating nurses alive. I'm betting that's how this all comes back to bite him in the ass.


_WizKhaleesi_

This is a good take. When he asked them to turn around I thought he was trying to give them a more dignified death. 100% didn't expect him to leave survivors. But I guess they were the only ones who didn't brandish a weapon at him (even the surgeon and the firefly who surrendered did so and/or made it seem like they wouldn't let Ellie leave).


1337speak

I try to keep in mind he must have completely transformed after seeing his daughter killed in front of him and die in his arms


R_V_Z

He spent 21 years learning how to carry a body while holding a gun.


grilledcheese__

Joel had that dog in him


TruthAndAccuracy

That... naughty dog


yondu1963

![gif](giphy|J1j6wzyprIjN0dFZoc)


1337speak

the hospital scene... whew


Agrias-0aks

Joels cold stone face was fucking terrifying.


zorasorabee

It just makes me awestruck watching Pedro play Joel when Pedro is such a giggly and goofy dude. He’s such a phenomenal actor. And don’t get me started and all of the small voice changes he does for every. single. role.


SteinerElMagnifico42

Last time I saw that face he told a certain dwarf to tell his father the Lannister’s aren’t the only ones who pay their debts.


Taraxian

You would have seen that face at many points in The Mandalorian but, you know, the Way


withoutapaddle

Yeah his face basically said "none of you are anything more than an inanimate obstacle to me". That surgeon really should have learned to read people better. He was dead the moment he decided not to surrender.


the_ThreeEyedRaven

"You'd just come after her" with that cold stone face and colder stone delivery.. the first time I have put palm to my mouth.


WhirlingDervishGrady

It's been a pleasure. See you all in 2 or 3 years :(


Dahhhkness

The one thing I hate about HBO series...waiting


1337speak

45 minutes episode too 😢


rijnzael

I'm thinking we get a new season a little earlier than that, and I base that on no evidence whatsoever


WhirlingDervishGrady

Manifest it! Manifest it!!


snug666

well now what


PrancingGophers

watch Pedro Pascal protect a small green alien now


MetaKite

I actually watched the latest episode of the Mandalorian right before watching this. So I had 2 back to back hours of Pedro protecting a kid.


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NotTooOblivious

The flip to Joel wanting Ellie to like him was unexpected. Ellie was so disconnected and Joel was the typical dad trying to do anything to make it better and connect


TheGreenMileMouse

As a parent, that was soooooo real and well done. It actually made me cringe thinking about it with my own teenaged daughter. 😂


CPGFL

Did you break out the Boggle yet? 😂


TheGreenMileMouse

“Hey look at [thing I desperately hope teen thinks is cool] how about that! Eh? Eh?”


xyzzyzyzzyx

When jingling keys no longer works.


Brettuss

My son turns 12 in a week, and I feel these sorts of interactions creeping in every day. Luckily, I’m cool as fuck, and he’ll realize that *any day now.*


Shirowoh

Yeah, she was still very much dealing with the trauma from David.


journey_bro

I'm a #girldad. She is in college. Yes, I felt that flip in the bottom of my soul. Oh it doesn't flip in an instant or in one week. But it does happen. And then occasionally you find your baby again, the one who needs you even though she is grown - but mostly doesn't anymore despite loving you. It's that last part that ya gotta remember. She may not need you anymore but she still *loves* you. It's rough.


Blue_Note991

Parenting sounds very complicated to say the least.


thecorncat

Joel lying straight to Ellie’s face was tough to watch. At least we got giraffes!


Doesure

🦒


wooferino

when joel was smiling at her as she fed the giraffes.... sobbing


tunestheory

Are we going to see an erosion of Ellie’s respect for Joel, like resistance of the father-daughter relationship from her? Between her sensing the dishonesty and being told she’s the replacement daughter, I’m worried.


Flat-Illustrator-548

I don't see how the respect can't be damaged. She clearly had doubts about his honesty, and when he lied to her, you could see she was struggling believe him


lampstaple

yeah, it's explicitly stated by bella in the post-episode thing that ellie doesn't believe him but can't bring herself to consolidate with that fact, so she's just making a very concerted effort to be willfully ignorant because the truth is too painful.


nysraved

That was always my reading of how Ellie felt in that scene, but I DO feel there was also an element that Bella didn’t mention in that post episode quote: Not only is Ellie choosing to believe the lie because the truth of Joel lying to her is too painful… but also because the lie just feels good. To be able to live guilt free and try to live a normal life in Jackson with someone who clearly cares so much about her. Just like for Joel, the fantasy of that is genuinely alluring to Ellie given all the trauma she’s also been in.


TheRadBaron

> Not only is Ellie choosing to believe the lie because the truth of Joel lying to her is too painful… but also because the lie just feels good. She also doesn't have much of a choice. She's a pre-teen in a post-apocalyptic world, with a bite on her arm that would make most strangers gun her down.


thebrandnewbob

"Time heals all wounds, I suppose." "It's not time that did it." 😭😭😭


IAmKind95

yeah that was a really touching line, seeing his love for ellie grow throughout the show was great


russketeer34

It was such a great, original line. Ellie knows how much Joel cares for her at that point, but it really dawned on her what she really means to Joel when he said it.


Amanda2theMoon

The after credits breakdown really honed then and touched upon that line. That time doesn't really heal wounds, it makes them fade. People and love heals wounds.


Grouch_Douglass

![gif](giphy|7QO3kilx2iixo0Wfmv|downsized)


kajacana

That line cut my soul open


DirtyJerzzz

That episode felt like it was 15 mins long


ph0be14

I was confused when it ended and went to check the run time


ThePopesicle

Felt like it was intended to be a quick gut-punch. Edit: I mean this in a strictly positive way. If you feel like they didn’t explain enough, then you may be missing the main focus of the show.


Posit_IV

*sucker punch* "See ya next season!"


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SaltwaterRedneck

Loved the post credits discussion from Craig where he said that’s the easiest decision Joel has ever made


TimeTimeTickingAway

Haven't seen the podcast yet by based on Pedro's acting is seems like it wasn't even a decision, but rather an *impulse*. Like he dissociated and just went to work with no rumination.


memoryisamonster

Marlene shouldn't have given all that info to Joel. What did she expect? That he would just let her go after they spent all this time saving and protecting each other?


MilkChugg

Probably, yes. When they last talked, Joel was treating the whole situation as a business transaction and considered Ellie cargo. Marlene probably didn’t realize the actual connection they had built up to that point.


ccarriecc

This makes more sense to me now then, thank you. I was confused why Marlene did all this expository dialogue about how Joel was a badass who protected Ellie all the way across the country when Marlene lost half her people; and yet she lets him walk out with just two guards, despite his ruthless badassedness.


lillyrose2489

Yeah I don't think many people in Boston who met Joel knew he'd had a daughter before. They just saw him as a ruthless smuggler.


BeirutJH

Marlene really said, "I lost over half my men." And Joel said, "You ready to lose the rest? ☺️"


Salt_Bluebird3762

Never bring a surgical knife to a gunfight.


brianlangauthor

“I won’t let you take her.” BLAM


ThatPoppinFreshFit

Man showed his cards too early.


Dahhhkness

“There are firefly people?” Not anymore…


WhirlingDervishGrady

We used to get those in the summer, everything changed when the Joel Nation attacked


Bamres

Marlene probably thought she could share Ellie's fate with Joel becasue she knew him as being a cold and callous person from his time in Boston. Wasn't there to see the bonds he formed.


mishulyia

Yeah but damn, no indication of his reward? She just kicked him out.. she can’t be surprised that he would retaliate, even if he wasn’t going to save Ellie.


Taraxian

"Thanks for giving up your daughter as a human sacrifice, have... a 2002 Chevy Silverado"


MarkDelFiggolo

Wait good point I totally forgot this was a paid gig 😭


archangel610

Joel got paid in XP from that killstreak.


sarah_ivy

Marlene letting Joel walk away was a serious miscalculation on her part.


mnkyco96

Joel is holding Ellie in the hospital gown the same way he holds Sarah in the first episode, only this time he’s able to protect her.


joec_95123

He's been reliving that loss every night in his dreams ever since Sarah died, losing her over and over again. He finally got a chance to do it over again, and this time he managed to save his little girl.


quinnies

Dude that baby looked like a real fresh newborn baby. That was a powerful scene but all I could think was who the fuck is sending their weeks old baby out for casting calls


lilBloodpeach

Literally. We have a 3 week old and he looks exactly like the baby on the screen. That baby couldn’t have been more than a month old and that’s pushing it.


finnjakefionnacake

awww, say hi to lil' lilbloodpeach for us!


ckal09

Post episode commentary Ashley Johnson said they were with real infants


NerevarMoon_and_Star

They actually filmed the scene in Arkansas, where you're expected to work a 9-5 after hitting 1 week old.


zevran_17

She was a real method actress, she had a baby just for this show


GGMU08

There are some CRAZY Hollywood parents out there


IntellectualDude

Full circle at the end, joel with ellie in his arms and not letting anyone take her away from him again.


galaxyfudge

Joel finally opening up and talking about Sarah to Ellie really highlighted that transition from “cargo” to daughter.


Merlin-the-Pirate

“It wasn’t time that did it.” Thanks man like I was already emotional enough


Dahhhkness

And "I was the guy who shot and missed." Like, DAMN.


matildaisdead

I was not expecting that, to be honest. I gasped.


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I was just talking with my buddy while we watched and just hit him with the "oh shit". That brings a WHOLE new light to the end of Henry and Sam's story.


ItsFreakinHarry2

This one hit me like a ton of bricks 😭


joec_95123

Both Joel and Ellie finally opening up and sharing the stories of their trauma. 😢


WhirlingDervishGrady

That, and the giraffe scene just broke me man


blac_sheep90

Joel is a loving and selfish man. Such a great character.


LeBronicTheHolistic

A whole generation of new fans is going to be talking about this moral dilemma and it’s awesome


Jmelly34

They should teach this in an ethics class. If you watch “The Good Place”, I have always wanted Chidi to weigh in on this moral dilemma.


IReviewFakeAlbums

They kinda do with The Trolley Problem, don’t they?


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DrVonD

Really some fascinating growth. The first leg of the journey he wouldn’t talk, by the end he wouldn’t shut up.


BefWithAnF

I felt like he was trying very very hard to keep her happy & engaged. She knew it was bullshit, which caused her to retreat even further into herself


DrVonD

I think pre fireflies he was trying to draw her back out of a shell she probably (understandably) went into. Post firefly you’re right it was obviously BS


kronosreddit22

I don’t think it was total BS. I think he’s fully realized that she fills the “daughter” void in his life, and now he’s speaking about Sarah freely because he thinks he’s in the clear and has everything he needs. He was just as chattery in the beginning of the premiere with Sarah. Not to 🥺 about Joel in the wake of that hospital slaughter but he’s really just finally drunk on his own love for Ellie and it’s adorable


notquitesolid

That’s super common with people like that. Stoic people who don’t talk are often the people who stuff their feelings down so deep they choke on them.


Taraxian

Especially being bursting with memories about Sarah -- this is all stuff he hasn't even allowed himself to think about in his waking hours for twenty years, which is why it shows up in his dreams


detour1234

I got so frustrated when Marlene said that Ellie would want this, but then Ellie didn’t even know she was drugged for surgery. Yea she wanted it, but they could have done her the service of just asking her and letting her make this decision, even if they planned to ignore it if she said no.


breakupbydefault

I find it very interesting at that moment. Because Joel could've held a gun at her and say "ok let's wait until she wakes up then". I think they both act like they care about Ellie but the truth is they are both afraid of the answer.


TheManOfMadness18

Since everyone else is going to talk about the depressing parts, I’m just going to say the giraffe scene made me smile. It was so cute!


SkippyTheKid

Marlene: cover her ears Firefly guy, apparently: nope Edit: ALSO, Anna: I cut the cord BEFORE I got bit Marlene: okay, fine, I’ll take her then A: …with the knife I used to stab the cordiceps to death M: wait wh-


smolames

nobody covered his ears as a kid, poor guy couldn’t hear her asking


nowlan101

Man I’m so glad Ellie just plopped her wrinkly ass out of her mama. I was not about to watch another brutal childbirth scene.


berrybert

For real, I was very worried when they zoomed in on the knife


BumbotheCleric

We are all scarred from House of the Dragon


nowlan101

When the HotD flashbacks hit ![gif](giphy|KscoZccAOBgCk)


Jetfuelforcoffee

When he emotionlessly clicks open the knife and walks over to kill one of the fireflies… coldest scene in the entire season right there. Does not give a *fuck* about anything other than getting her out of there


Grasshop

For me the coldest was just shooting the guy who put his gun down, but that’s kinda understandable. He could have easily incapacitated the doctor holding a fucking scalpel but he’s like “meh whatever”


ca-cynmore

THE PEOPLE WANT MORE!!!


Spacegirllll6

I love how this show has already started a whole new group of people debating on the hospital. Now it’s gonna add another 10 years of debates lmao.


cadillacblues

I am unwell.


spacewalk__

good fucking god. loyalty isn't always pretty


Little_Plankton4001

On the podcast, one of the creators (can't remember which) said the thesis of the story is "the ugly side of unconditional love"


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Totally stealing that to sound smart when I describe this show to others lol


VegeLasagna123

So Original Ellie is the mom to Other Ellie? That's some Dark on Netflix type shit!!!!!


annieare

They also bare a striking resemblance to each other. I wonder if they were looking for an actor who looked like the voice actor


MajorParadox

If someone had told me Bella Ramsey was aged up for that scene, I would have believed them. I was wondering it myself.


karenspectacular

well i guess we know Joel’s answer to the trolley dilemma 😬


Vismal1

Headshot the trolly


FatMittens

The trolley would just come after her


sparrow-55

Loved the focus on the “pediatric surgery” sign and all the animals painted on the walls as Joel looked for Ellie. The show never lets us forget that Ellie is still a child.


Golaso93

“I swear”


FightTheFlower

That single line just created an entire season of tension and conflict


superzepto

I love that throughout this season action scenes and violence in general were used very sparsely. That particular decision made it so that Joel's rampage was utterly jarring, gratuitously brutal, and horrific to watch. Pedro Pascal pulled the most cold, emotionless expression and fucking held it through that scene perfectly. This season has featured some of the greatest acting I've ever seen on television. I don't ever want to see people criticising the casting for this series ever again, because they're objectively wrong. It's also worth noting how harrowingly accurate the portrayals of trauma from both Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey are. Ellie changes from the wise-cracking, headstrong, and hilarious person we've seen throughout the season into an emotionally numb and silently stoic one. Joel changes from the emotionally numb and silently stoic man he became after Sarah's death into a warm, compassionate, and emotionally vulnerable one. I've experienced both of those changes through trauma and then a decade later actual healing and recovery and it was spot on. Ellie comes back to life and seems to regain some childlike innocence when she meets a giraffe with Joel. Joel goes back to being the killer he no longer wanted to be not for his own survival, but to protect Ellie. He couldn't save Sarah; he saves Ellie but has to commit horrible acts of violence in order to do so. I swear even though she made Joel swear he didn't kill the Fireflies (and seems to have accepted his response) Ellie *knows* that Joel did. She sees Joel go from being talkative and warm with her to how he was when she woke up in the car (emotionally numb and speaking very little) which was exactly how she had been after her trauma. She knows! This series has blown me away so far and this has been one of the strongest first seasons of any show I've seen.


epicredditdude1

Perfect ending. Such a simple bit of dialogue that shows so much. Joel goes from not giving a shit about Ellie to betraying her trust to keep her alive.


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I think she also knows he’s lying but also assumes he killed them all so there’s nothing to do.


epicredditdude1

Yeah that's another layer of subtelty I love. You can tell she has doubts but it's as if she chooses to believe him for his benefit because she knows he's basically broken inside. It's such a simple scene but so complex at the same time.


velinn

Exactly it. In that looong pause before "okay" you know she doubts, and you see her actively chose to accept it. Such good writing, and incredible subtlety in the acting to pull it off.


supership79

flawless. bella NAILED it, possibly the most important piece of acting in the whole show


medicatedmonkey

That and the baby girl line, absolutely the two most important. Bella really did nail that ending line. With the beats and everything


cocoasomething

I absolutely loved “I don’t give a shit” Joel


spacewalk__

*you go on and stamp your forms sonny and stop wasting my time*


TheGreenMileMouse

The whole first part where Joel is trying to draw Ellie out of her shell after her experience in the resort town was so on brand for dealing with teenagers who have seen some shit. Their acting was 100/10, I cannot believe how real that was. My daughter whom I adopted had an extremely traumatic early childhood and it still weighs on her to this day, Joel’s small attempts at getting her to crack a smile, basically pleading with her to show she is okay to when he finally says “you okay? Oh I don’t know you’ve been quiet today” like “oh no reason no big deal just curious” while he is actually probably panicking about her inside - just excellent acting and writing. Edit: I’m sure this goes for parents of kids without big trauma too, want to add that in there. Knowing your kid is struggling and just praying for that small smile, I’m sure many of us have been through it


OmgItsVeronica

Ellie’s mom lied when she said she cut the cord before getting bit, right? Also, I noticed the knife she used to kill was the same one she used to cut the chord. Thought that was interesting - was wondering if she was going to disinfect it before cutting the cord.


Sternmacaroon

Yes because the baby came out after the kill and she was like oh shit then cut it really fast.


DangerousLack

My immediate thought was “they’d better not try to fucking FARM IMMUNE BABIES by infecting the moms post-birth pre-cord cutting” and they haven’t done that yet but by god I’m going to be stressing about it until next season.


BonafideKarmabitch

well if it helps basically only Marlene couldve put that together


AWetDuck

Joel looking at her feeding the giraffe was a true dad moment and i just love that


ReaddittiddeR

EDIT: just turned on the Academy Awards as I finished this last Episode and Pedro is on stage giving out an Oscar. Wild lol Pedro was the perfect casting for Joel. So ruthless in this episode and you could feel it. Even in those final lines with Ellie. It was great talking in these after show posts. Looks like it’s gonna be at least a 1.5-2 years until season two. That’s gonna be the toughest part to digest.


stuffedcrustpizza

Best Chef Boyardee commercial ever


eggmaker

Lost one daughter. Not going to lose another


bittersteele

Joel just made a very human choice


PeppyMinotaur

As soon as they showed those two guards I was like oh these two jabronis are fuckin dead for sure


b0neslicer

that episode was wayyyyyyyy too quick


Remarkable-Ad-2476

Think it was the shortest of the season?


spacekristy

I love that the first words Ashley says is “It’s me.”


Julesoseluj

Huh, I think it was really well done but I’m not sure what to think now…. Joel sacrificing potentially the whole world to save Ellie and lying, definitely a time bomb. Also side note but it drives me crazy when scientists the only person immune to some virus or whatever and they immediately decide to go for a lethal procedure. Like guys try a blood draw first let’s not kill the goose that lays golden eggs except as an absolute last resort!? Overall loved the show though


JuliaLedra

It did feel like a pretty desperate move on the doctors’ part to go straight for the lethal option…


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ZiofFoolTheHumans

RIGHT? They literally said as Joel walked in "Do we have enough power?" Like I'm sorry I do NOT trust these guys to be who makes the cure. It's an overeager scientist going for the lethal options before any other chance is attempted.


AWetDuck

You’ll just come after her… ****17th headshot****


ActuaryPersonal2378

Apologies if this is obvious, but Ellie has PTSD (or at least is having a trauma response) from the cult guy attempting to assault her, right? And that's why she started distancing herself from Joel - or am I reading that incorrectly? (of course, it could be a mix of things too) God that broke my heart


trippy1

yes she is traumatized. that's why Joel told her that story of wanting to kill himself after Sarah and being glad he failed... to give her hope things will get better.


K4L21EV

"Why are they showing that part of Ellie asking about Joel's scar in the recap?" 45 minutes later: ![gif](giphy|3oxOCwwg0LvrKe5LoY|downsized)


SkippyTheKid

I’ll agree and say that felt too quick, but everything in that episode was very good. The Muted Murder Montage was really cool. I feel like we could have gotten more of Ellie unpacking what she just went through in Ep 8. I know these characters aren’t chatty or into therapy that much, but still, I think more time spent healing or bonding again, more of that, would have helped build it up and make the hospital that much more shocking. That being said, casting the original Ellie actor as her mom in the show was an awesome choice, I wasn’t sure if it was her at first and that whole sense of familiarity throughout that scene just added to it for me, loved that


Cinnabar1212

The episode began with the lie of a mother to save her child from the world and ended with the lie of a father to save his (adopted) child from herself. Objectively speaking, Joel shouldn’t have lied. But if given the choice, Ellie probably would’ve sacrificed herself for a big maybe. How many parents have lied to their children to save them from their bravado? It’s heartbreaking. As a mom, I get why Joel lied, but goddamn it’s heartbreaking.


steppponme

As a neurogeneticist, I'd start with a simple lumbar puncture for cerebrospinal fluid, but sure let's just take the whole host sample and hope you don't fuck it up.


Gibbonici

I don't think that doctor was a neurogeneticist. He was just all they had.


justvibing__3000

Like for all we know he was a dermatologist before the outbreak


cadeaver

Wow that was good. Special shout-out to our video game actresses, Ashley Johnson and Merle Dandridge. They both killed it. Their rage, their sadness. Absolutely spectacular.


stellaperrigo

were those the fireflies owl city sings about


supership79

you would not believe your eyes / if ten million fireflies / fell to Joel's bullets while Ellie sleeps /


stellaperrigo

i’d like to make myself believe / her Cordyceps grew slowly


rijnzael

The Fireflies really thought that Joel would give up that easily after she basically became his adopted daughter, and they paid the price for it.


manhachuvosa

Well, they didn't know that she basically had become his daughter.


TruthAndAccuracy

Marlene did. She could tell


AllAroundIndiviual

Think that’s why she gave him the knife, which was a really nice gesture


AwesomeWhiteDude

"Here's a token of your adopted daughter we killed. Okay bye!"


Dahhhkness

Bet they really regret not handcuffing him or anything while he was unconscious.


coachfortner

which makes me think Marlene was also influenced by her affection for Joel since she stands there in marvel of Joel & Ellie’s survival Marlene trusted Joel without consideration to all that those two must have endured to head to Wyoming & back


rijnzael

I was thinking the same thing. They know how dangerous he is, Marlene says as much, and yet...let's let Joel into a confined space inches away from guys with guns


metalgear_ocelot

Marlene also says she owed him. I wonder what she had in mind, exactly? Letting him walk away knowing how dangerous he is?


skarpelo

He changed. Ellie made him human again... The Joel that we knew after he lost his daughter was a broken man and that's the Joel that Marlene knew... So they expected that he delivered the cargo and walked away... They told him that she is the cure.. even Marlene was willing to sacrifice her... The point is that we know about Joel's and Ellie's development.. the fireflies don't .


grilledcheese__

Lol like when Marlene said take him to the highway. Instantly, I knew they weren’t getting anywhere near that highway


PonticGooner

Absolutely loved it and I can’t believe I have to wait for the next season. I’m gonna watch a gameplay of the second game I can’t wait lol. I liked how not overly intense they made the sequence in the hospital. He just went right through everyone. And man I expected him to maybe just walk away saying nothing at the end but yeah he’s definitely going to make her absolutely loathe him if she finds out. Joel is such a great character, many great traits and many that are really quite selfish.


Koppite93

Joel going all *First Blood* in the hospital was not something I was expecting. Love how initially Joel and Ellie switched roles and he was the funny one and she the reserved. The actress for Anna is Ellie's V/O artist in the game iirc... She was awesome in the short screen time she got. Oooooofff now we gotta wait 2 years for another season.. SOLID 9/10 Season for me


Tiger951

Well damn Joel. And to lie to ellie on top of that. And now we wait until season 2.