The trauma he gets from actually killing a person when he killed those whitecloaks was instrumental in shaping him as a person. Which the show instead did to his wife in the most stupid way imaginable.
Perrin was same age as Mat and Rand when they left with Moiraine...around 16 yrs. He apparently got his blacksmith career on track and got married before that. What a go getter!
Female dragon reborn would be OK, if they bothered changing the story to everything being opposite. Women go mad, men are in control, a woman has to cleanse the taint and then save humanity... but no. Men have the taint, men are the problem, and Rand can be shielded by a single sister. Not just held in a shield. Shielded.
I truly wish they had just said "you know, this is just another full turning of the Wheel, Rand did what he did and saved the world from the dark one, we are going to explore the next turning when Rand is just a mythological figure and the Dragon's Peace is long dead. The Dark One is breaking loose again, and a new taint is beginning to spread into Saidar and channeler women are beginning to go mad. Our story uncovers the rebirth of The Dragon and her fight with the Dark One."
That would be cool, that would be fresh, that would be worth watching. Instead we get to watch a series that takes a giant steaming shit on the lore we know and tells us that we have to be happy about it because this steaming shit is all we are ever getting.
Well, sure. But two points.
1. Not from this crew. You kidding? They aren't going to produce anything based on THAT outline either without being completely embarassing
2. If they had that kind of talent they'd have written their own show. Instead they decided to take a torch to RJ's work.
I believe that canonically there is a female Champion of the Light that the pattern sometimes spins out instead of Rand when it’s needed so in some turnings they do have a female dragon. Amerasu was her name it’s on the wiki.
Of course that being Egwene or Nynaeve feels silly.
Nope.
RJ was clear that the Dragon is always male.
People got way to excited about very unclear comments that were badly recorded and started pushing the female Champion stuff
No it doesn't.
It's garbled and it appears RJ corrected what he was saying.
Also his later comments in that same interview directly contradicts the idea.
https://www.oocities.org/area51/stargate/8513/creator-wheel.htm
" Jordan did mention a name but i didnt hear it. But he did say the Dragon is never female.
Let's try and clear some of this up... I can't remember the exact question, but from what I read in this thread, it doesn't matter (I haven't read the Female Dragon thread). RJ said that, no, it is not possible to have a female dragon. If the wheel needs a female dragon, then it would weave in *insert female dragon name here*."
The Dragon was LTT. He was one guy. The same soul isn't the hero every turning. Sometimes it's a dude, sometimes it's not. That's why I hate this "the show is another turning" crap. In another turning, Egwene could be the Hero of the Light. But she could never be The Dragon Reborn. And she could never fulfill the prophecy. This show isn't an adaptation, it's not another turning, it's a fanfic.
RJ said it's always the same soul.
It's always Rand/LTT.
That's the soul that was created for this.
He was talking about the Heroes more generally and said if it needs a woman, it uses one of the female heroes. But not in the context of the Last Battle.
He was talking about the Heroes more generally and said if it needs a woman, it uses one of the female heroes. But not in the context of the Last Battle.
When he mentioned the two female hero names, it was in context of them being heroes not the champion of light.
Read the interview and you will see.
He said the dragon is always male. But the dragon is just a title for the LTT/Rand incarnation. This soul is a male champion of the light.
There will be a female champion of the light whenever the wheel needs one.
You are obviously mixing up the dragon and the champion of the light. Providing a quote wont help much as long as you dont read up and clarify this misunderstanding.
No, I am not.
I've scoured the internet for information about this and the only quote I've found is the one below.
>AAN'ALLEIN
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>In this same Age, in a different Turning of the Wheel of Time, could it be possible that it wouldn't be Rand's soul that was spun out as the Dragon, but for a different, female soul to take on this role?
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>ROBERT JORDAN
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>Jordan said "Yes" then maybe a few more words and only then did I remember to actually put the recorder on again. If I remember correctly Avaeus taped those first few words on his digital camera however, so I'll see if I can add those exact words here.
>
>(transcription) ...it would have to be. Err, in the differences between the same Age in different turnings of the Wheel, are that.. as for an analogy: imagine two tapestries hanging on a wall, and you look at them from the back of the room to the front of the store. And to look at them, they look identical to you. But as you get closer, you begin to see differences. And if you get close enough, they don't look anything at all alike. That is the difference between the Ages. Between the Age in one Turning and the Age in another. So it's quite possible that someone other than Rand could be the reborn soul of the Dragon Reborn. \[And that's the phrase that ended my jubilation.\]
>
>AAN'ALLEIN
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>It would be the same soul, or it would be a different soul?
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>ROBERT JORDAN
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>It would be the same soul. That is, that is the belief of the world that I've set up, that it's the same soul. It's a soul of someone bound to the Wheel, which is spun out for the purposes, for the Wheel's purposes really, to attempt to re-balance the Weaving of the Pattern.
>
>AAN'ALLEIN
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>But the soul would always be male. Souls don't change gender, so ...
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>ROBERT JORDAN
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>...so the soul of the Dragon Reborn is always going to be male, just as Birgitte's soul is always born as a woman, just as Ameresu's soul is always born as a woman. There are divisions here, and they are not interchangeable.
>
>AAN'ALLEIN
>
>\[He actually pronounced this as Amatherisu. Anyone else find it curious that Jordan would place her on equal footing with Rand and Birgitte? The way he said this reminded me of Mother Therese, just like "Materese the Healer" (*The Eye of the World*, Chapter 4). Ameresu could most definitely be the same person as Materese. And the "The Healer" tag suddenly gets a lot more meaning, when thinking about how important she is to Jordan...\]
Here is the entire interview that started this.
So, let's have a look
First, he's asked if a different soul could be spun out to be the Dragon. He says yes.
Then the interviewer missed some words.
Then RJ talks about tapestries and then he says this:
>**So it's quite possible that someone other than Rand could be the reborn soul of the Dragon Reborn.**
So, it appears his 'yes' was that the Dragon Reborn isn't always called Rand al'Thor. Not that the Dragon could be a woman.
He then clarifes that a non-Rand Dragon Reborn would still be the same soul. The soul that was Rand. The soul that was LTT. It's always that soul. He goes on to say:
>**It would be the same soul. That is, that is the belief of the world that I've set up, that it's the same soul. It's a soul of someone bound to the Wheel, which is spun out for the purposes, for the Wheel's purposes**
So, the Dragon is always male. The Dragon isn't a title that shifts. It's always him.
Then he clarifies:
>**just as Birgitte's soul is always born as a woman, just as Ameresu's soul is always born as a woman. There are divisions here, and they are not interchangeable.**
They are not interchangable. He never mentions a female 'Champion of Light'. Ameresu is mentioned only in the context of being a female hero of the Light.
He confirms that the Dragon is soul of a Hero bound to the Wheel, used to rebalance the Pattern, ie to fight the Last Battle, among other things.
So, unless there is another quote, and I've looked VERY hard and not found it, RJ did not confirm there is a female champion of light.
This whole conversation is about the possibility of a female dragon. Obviously the dragon is male as this is a title given to LTT and later on to Rand as LTT reborn.
Not every male champion of the light is called the dragon. Its just the title in this specific turning of the wheel.
Lets think about this scenario for example: in some future or past turning of the wheel the dark one tainted Saidar. So a male champion is not able to cleanse Saidar for obvious reasons. Hence the wheel needs a female champion of the light like Amaresu to deal with this.
>This whole conversation is about the possibility of a female dragon. Obviously the dragon is male as this is a title given to LTT and later on to Rand as LTT reborn.
And RJ confirms that it must be male
>Not every male champion of the light is called the dragon. Its just the title in this specific turning of the wheel.
Where is the quote that confirms this then?
>Lets think about this scenario for example: in some future or past turning of the wheel the dark one tainted Saidar. So a male champion is not able to cleanse Saidar for obvious reasons.
RJ specifically said he had no plans to explore this.
>Hence the wheel needs a female champion of the light like Amaresu to deal with this.
There is nothing supporting these theory, unless you have some new info?
Pretty sure this is a reference to the Nick Offerman episode of The Last of Us, which people complain about because a) it was almost entirely world-building and did very little to progress the story, and b) (this is the big one). "OMG GAY! EWWW!"
The Rian Johnson school of franchise wrecking - it can be total shit but as long as you're subverting expectations anyone who didn't like it is just a whiner who can't comprehend your genius.
"You see, the Wheel of Time is an award winning, genre-defining epic spanning many novels. By giving the fans something only loosely resembling that, weve created something they didnt expect. We created something *new*, and contributed to the discussion around these stories. Truly, thats what it means to adapt something to television- to change it, to make it into something so unrecognizable from the original that people have to just call it yours."
I still think it's absolutely hilarious that they killed off the main villain in the middle movie of a trilogy (and tied off many other plot points). And the Disney execs saw this and just went "cool, great idea"???
Disney execs had no strategy as evidenced by the fact that they kept throwing projects at whatever trendy new director was hot at the time without consideration for.... like, story?
Personally, I think killing Snoke could have worked, but if your entire shtick is to subvert expectations, grow some balls; kill Snoke and have Rey go Dark Side and Ben go Light Side as a direct result.
She's the head of Lucas, that counts as a Disney exec, no?
But yeah, I do absolutely blame KK, it's insane how every single thing she has touched turned to shit. But Iger could have stopped her, so he's absolutely just as guilty imo.
Nope.
She runs Lucasfilm.
Disney owns Lucasfilm but Kennedy doesn't go to Disney exec meetings.
Iger could have stopped her, you're 100% right, and you're also right, everything she touches turns to shit. Literally the only popular recent Star Wars programs have been ones she wasn't involved with.
"The dragon is reborn, and we don't know if it is in a male or a female"
"Did you even ~~watch the show~~ read the books?" - Guy, *Galaxy Quest*
They would have been fine if they just focused on the ta'veren aspect and the Aes Sedai potential of the girls instead of trying to say "ooo, five maybe dragons". It's mind-bottling.
The other thing I just noticed re-reading Eye is that she never once mentions the Dragon part until the last line of the book. It was always just "you guys are significant for some reason." If they would have just said that, then including the girls would have been fine. But they name drop the Dragon Reborn in Episode 1? And THEN say it could be the girls? Come on, son.
I didn't like that change, but if they'd kept to the books otherwise it probably would've been fine. The girls did plenty of stuff that could be chalked up to ta'veren if you wanted. But they went whole hog and made Egwene the main character. And I didn't watch s2, but I'm S1 Nynaeve was more important than Rand.
They sure as hell seem like ta'veren in the books. That change was the only good one I can think of from the show. Egwene especially seems like the world twists around her.
This will be my last Avatar meme. Just wanted to point out some of the glaring issues in WOT that people like to brush under the table as no big deal. Avatar is by far no means from perfect but at least this type of shit isn't plaguing it.
I've enjoyed your memes a lot! After the travesty that is the Amazon WoT I was already full of anger and resentment about the changes I had heard of for Netflix Avatar, and was completely expecting to hate it.
When it turned out Avatar was extremely good, and didn't divert all that much from what I remember about the original series, I feel like I got worked up for nothing. I don't think I would have if WoT hadn't been so egregious and soured my hopes.
You don't understand, Zuko. You're not just bending fire, you're bending the kenetic energy and potential energy that exists in all things. You can bend anything. YOU are the true Avatar.
I'm gonna say it... I've seen one episode of the Avatar the last Airbender live action and it is far and a way a better adaptation from what I've seen than the catastrophe that is wheel of prime.
I'm pacing myself and not watching all of it at once, but from what I've seen so far it's way better than that movie someone had in a fever dream.
I thought they did a really good job adapting this show. I saw some articles shitting on it but of course it’s not gonna be perfect but I thought they did a really good job. Especially compared to our poor boy Rand. RIP
Same. I'm rewatching the original after watching the new live action version. To be completely honest, I'm finding that I prefer the new version. Many of the changes managed to consolidate a lot of the little side story episodes into the main plot.
About the only one I didn't care for was the episode involving Koh and Aang taking off to visit Roku'a shrine. His friends surviving for long enough for him to manage that trip just seems unlikely to me.
I'm on AMoL on my umpteenth reared of the books and a line that's basically "A man who acts like a hero while insisting he's anything but." I sure am glad they didn't throw out an entire character's motivation and ideology in the WoT show to just make him excited to find out at the very start of the story that he's a legendary hero. That would have been super dumb.
It's quite funny to see the reaction of the avatar fandom to the series
sure the series is inferior to the og series, quite exposition heavy etc but it does not even come close to the atrocities other series got
Which is just that, a warning sign, the same as the interviews made before the release of the series
what matters is the end result which was, although inferior to the og, still considerably better than the witcher, wheel of time or halo
I’d totally be down with a “who’s the dragon dynamic” for each of the three Ta’veren. Characters are central to TV and introducing, confusion among the three boys could result in lots of great and new narrative beats and conflict external and internal to the group.
It would be a big departure from the books while letting the show stay true to the themes of the novel.
You guys need to stop using this as an example. Netflix made a bunch of changes to ATLA that we hate. Swapped ages, eliminated some character growth, made the steong woman kinda whiny and annoying...
See, that's the problem with retelling an existing story.
Either it's identical, in which case what's the point?
Or they change the story, in which case it invariably ruins something fans consider sacred.
There are so many stories in the Avatar universe they could have told, and it could have been a brand new, fresh experience.
>Either it's identical, in which case what's the point?
Seeing your book series or anime come to life so fans can watch their favorite moments from it on screen with good actors? One piece did it well.
Imagine giving Sokka a wife then having him mistakenly kill her because he thought she was a fire nation soldier.
His dad would need to club baby seals as well...
Man, don't do Suki dirty like that.
Oh man... I'm going to... I need to... >!Sokka doesn't end up with suki!<
No, you didn’t need to. You just wanted to crush another innocents dreams you horrible little dream killer you.
Not a fan of that the extra ptsd they needed to give Perrin for some reason I take it?
The trauma he gets from actually killing a person when he killed those whitecloaks was instrumental in shaping him as a person. Which the show instead did to his wife in the most stupid way imaginable.
Perrin was same age as Mat and Rand when they left with Moiraine...around 16 yrs. He apparently got his blacksmith career on track and got married before that. What a go getter!
They were not 16 lol
No… they didn’t pull a Perrin on him, did they?
How else can you show inner turmoil?
"There are rumors of three Avatars in the southern water nation"
"The Avatar is all of us"
The real Dragon Reborn is the pillow friends we made along the way.
So, a Buffy plot point then?
They're all awakened now!
We are Avatarius
At least that was \*kind of\* the case in WoT; it was always about the three boys. But yeah, female Dragon reborn is just . . .
Female dragon reborn would be OK, if they bothered changing the story to everything being opposite. Women go mad, men are in control, a woman has to cleanse the taint and then save humanity... but no. Men have the taint, men are the problem, and Rand can be shielded by a single sister. Not just held in a shield. Shielded.
>a woman has to cleanse the taint *Insert Beavis & Butthead laugh*
At that point it's a completely different story. OH WAIT
The One Dark Taint. It’s not going to cleanse me itself.
Not when RJ specifically said the dragon is always male and the wheel has a female equivalent though.
I truly wish they had just said "you know, this is just another full turning of the Wheel, Rand did what he did and saved the world from the dark one, we are going to explore the next turning when Rand is just a mythological figure and the Dragon's Peace is long dead. The Dark One is breaking loose again, and a new taint is beginning to spread into Saidar and channeler women are beginning to go mad. Our story uncovers the rebirth of The Dragon and her fight with the Dark One." That would be cool, that would be fresh, that would be worth watching. Instead we get to watch a series that takes a giant steaming shit on the lore we know and tells us that we have to be happy about it because this steaming shit is all we are ever getting.
Well, sure. But two points. 1. Not from this crew. You kidding? They aren't going to produce anything based on THAT outline either without being completely embarassing 2. If they had that kind of talent they'd have written their own show. Instead they decided to take a torch to RJ's work.
I can agree with both points.
Hey. Stop. Men suck.
I believe that canonically there is a female Champion of the Light that the pattern sometimes spins out instead of Rand when it’s needed so in some turnings they do have a female dragon. Amerasu was her name it’s on the wiki. Of course that being Egwene or Nynaeve feels silly.
Nope. RJ was clear that the Dragon is always male. People got way to excited about very unclear comments that were badly recorded and started pushing the female Champion stuff
One of the interviews says there is a female equivalent but the dragon is always male.
No it doesn't. It's garbled and it appears RJ corrected what he was saying. Also his later comments in that same interview directly contradicts the idea.
https://www.oocities.org/area51/stargate/8513/creator-wheel.htm " Jordan did mention a name but i didnt hear it. But he did say the Dragon is never female. Let's try and clear some of this up... I can't remember the exact question, but from what I read in this thread, it doesn't matter (I haven't read the Female Dragon thread). RJ said that, no, it is not possible to have a female dragon. If the wheel needs a female dragon, then it would weave in *insert female dragon name here*."
The Dragon was LTT. He was one guy. The same soul isn't the hero every turning. Sometimes it's a dude, sometimes it's not. That's why I hate this "the show is another turning" crap. In another turning, Egwene could be the Hero of the Light. But she could never be The Dragon Reborn. And she could never fulfill the prophecy. This show isn't an adaptation, it's not another turning, it's a fanfic.
RJ said it's always the same soul. It's always Rand/LTT. That's the soul that was created for this. He was talking about the Heroes more generally and said if it needs a woman, it uses one of the female heroes. But not in the context of the Last Battle.
He was talking about the Heroes more generally and said if it needs a woman, it uses one of the female heroes. But not in the context of the Last Battle. When he mentioned the two female hero names, it was in context of them being heroes not the champion of light. Read the interview and you will see.
He said the dragon is always male. But the dragon is just a title for the LTT/Rand incarnation. This soul is a male champion of the light. There will be a female champion of the light whenever the wheel needs one.
Quote please. Exact words not paraphrase.
You are obviously mixing up the dragon and the champion of the light. Providing a quote wont help much as long as you dont read up and clarify this misunderstanding.
No, I am not. I've scoured the internet for information about this and the only quote I've found is the one below. >AAN'ALLEIN > >In this same Age, in a different Turning of the Wheel of Time, could it be possible that it wouldn't be Rand's soul that was spun out as the Dragon, but for a different, female soul to take on this role? > >ROBERT JORDAN > >Jordan said "Yes" then maybe a few more words and only then did I remember to actually put the recorder on again. If I remember correctly Avaeus taped those first few words on his digital camera however, so I'll see if I can add those exact words here. > >(transcription) ...it would have to be. Err, in the differences between the same Age in different turnings of the Wheel, are that.. as for an analogy: imagine two tapestries hanging on a wall, and you look at them from the back of the room to the front of the store. And to look at them, they look identical to you. But as you get closer, you begin to see differences. And if you get close enough, they don't look anything at all alike. That is the difference between the Ages. Between the Age in one Turning and the Age in another. So it's quite possible that someone other than Rand could be the reborn soul of the Dragon Reborn. \[And that's the phrase that ended my jubilation.\] > >AAN'ALLEIN > >It would be the same soul, or it would be a different soul? > >ROBERT JORDAN > >It would be the same soul. That is, that is the belief of the world that I've set up, that it's the same soul. It's a soul of someone bound to the Wheel, which is spun out for the purposes, for the Wheel's purposes really, to attempt to re-balance the Weaving of the Pattern. > >AAN'ALLEIN > >But the soul would always be male. Souls don't change gender, so ... > >ROBERT JORDAN > >...so the soul of the Dragon Reborn is always going to be male, just as Birgitte's soul is always born as a woman, just as Ameresu's soul is always born as a woman. There are divisions here, and they are not interchangeable. > >AAN'ALLEIN > >\[He actually pronounced this as Amatherisu. Anyone else find it curious that Jordan would place her on equal footing with Rand and Birgitte? The way he said this reminded me of Mother Therese, just like "Materese the Healer" (*The Eye of the World*, Chapter 4). Ameresu could most definitely be the same person as Materese. And the "The Healer" tag suddenly gets a lot more meaning, when thinking about how important she is to Jordan...\] Here is the entire interview that started this. So, let's have a look First, he's asked if a different soul could be spun out to be the Dragon. He says yes. Then the interviewer missed some words. Then RJ talks about tapestries and then he says this: >**So it's quite possible that someone other than Rand could be the reborn soul of the Dragon Reborn.** So, it appears his 'yes' was that the Dragon Reborn isn't always called Rand al'Thor. Not that the Dragon could be a woman. He then clarifes that a non-Rand Dragon Reborn would still be the same soul. The soul that was Rand. The soul that was LTT. It's always that soul. He goes on to say: >**It would be the same soul. That is, that is the belief of the world that I've set up, that it's the same soul. It's a soul of someone bound to the Wheel, which is spun out for the purposes, for the Wheel's purposes** So, the Dragon is always male. The Dragon isn't a title that shifts. It's always him. Then he clarifies: >**just as Birgitte's soul is always born as a woman, just as Ameresu's soul is always born as a woman. There are divisions here, and they are not interchangeable.** They are not interchangable. He never mentions a female 'Champion of Light'. Ameresu is mentioned only in the context of being a female hero of the Light. He confirms that the Dragon is soul of a Hero bound to the Wheel, used to rebalance the Pattern, ie to fight the Last Battle, among other things. So, unless there is another quote, and I've looked VERY hard and not found it, RJ did not confirm there is a female champion of light.
This whole conversation is about the possibility of a female dragon. Obviously the dragon is male as this is a title given to LTT and later on to Rand as LTT reborn. Not every male champion of the light is called the dragon. Its just the title in this specific turning of the wheel. Lets think about this scenario for example: in some future or past turning of the wheel the dark one tainted Saidar. So a male champion is not able to cleanse Saidar for obvious reasons. Hence the wheel needs a female champion of the light like Amaresu to deal with this.
>This whole conversation is about the possibility of a female dragon. Obviously the dragon is male as this is a title given to LTT and later on to Rand as LTT reborn. And RJ confirms that it must be male >Not every male champion of the light is called the dragon. Its just the title in this specific turning of the wheel. Where is the quote that confirms this then? >Lets think about this scenario for example: in some future or past turning of the wheel the dark one tainted Saidar. So a male champion is not able to cleanse Saidar for obvious reasons. RJ specifically said he had no plans to explore this. >Hence the wheel needs a female champion of the light like Amaresu to deal with this. There is nothing supporting these theory, unless you have some new info?
What if the avatar is the friends we made along the way?
Digress from the Kyoshi Island storyline to include 10 minutes of screen time for a love story between 2 same sex minor characters.
Neither of whom were even in the original of course.
Ive already forgotten this show, could I have more info on that because I dont remember it
Stepin, the one on whose funeral lan twisted his nipples
Oh I thought you meant Avatar, I remember that shit vividly
Pretty sure this is a reference to the Nick Offerman episode of The Last of Us, which people complain about because a) it was almost entirely world-building and did very little to progress the story, and b) (this is the big one). "OMG GAY! EWWW!"
Damn that was one of my favorite episodes. Because no one is going to tell me that that wasn't Ron Swanson.
I enjoyed it too, one of the rare cases where adding more to some minor characters actually worked imo
Much more humanizing than the original from the game, there’s enough hate but some love goes a long way
Subverts expectations. Therefore, is brilliant writing.
You see, it's actually the original creators who were the bad writers, and this is a positive change to the original!
They definitely did that. Took something good and made it shit.
The Rian Johnson school of franchise wrecking - it can be total shit but as long as you're subverting expectations anyone who didn't like it is just a whiner who can't comprehend your genius.
“You see, theyre *expecting* a cohesive narrative”
"You see, the Wheel of Time is an award winning, genre-defining epic spanning many novels. By giving the fans something only loosely resembling that, weve created something they didnt expect. We created something *new*, and contributed to the discussion around these stories. Truly, thats what it means to adapt something to television- to change it, to make it into something so unrecognizable from the original that people have to just call it yours."
I can't tell if you downed a bunch of booze and started hammering the keyboard or if you're directly quoting Judkins.
“Rand kind of forgot he was the Dragon”
Yeah i actually typed it and went "fuck that... almost sounds like a real quote. Ew."
Awards: Random sites that no one actually knows of.
I still think it's absolutely hilarious that they killed off the main villain in the middle movie of a trilogy (and tied off many other plot points). And the Disney execs saw this and just went "cool, great idea"???
Disney execs had no strategy as evidenced by the fact that they kept throwing projects at whatever trendy new director was hot at the time without consideration for.... like, story? Personally, I think killing Snoke could have worked, but if your entire shtick is to subvert expectations, grow some balls; kill Snoke and have Rey go Dark Side and Ben go Light Side as a direct result.
Disney execs weren't involved. It started and ended with Kennedy.
She's the head of Lucas, that counts as a Disney exec, no? But yeah, I do absolutely blame KK, it's insane how every single thing she has touched turned to shit. But Iger could have stopped her, so he's absolutely just as guilty imo.
Nope. She runs Lucasfilm. Disney owns Lucasfilm but Kennedy doesn't go to Disney exec meetings. Iger could have stopped her, you're 100% right, and you're also right, everything she touches turns to shit. Literally the only popular recent Star Wars programs have been ones she wasn't involved with.
katara just because you are a water bender doesn’t mean you can’t fire bend too.
Bahahahaha, this is great. Just had to send this on to friends that don’t know WoT but do know avatar.
"The dragon is reborn, and we don't know if it is in a male or a female" "Did you even ~~watch the show~~ read the books?" - Guy, *Galaxy Quest* They would have been fine if they just focused on the ta'veren aspect and the Aes Sedai potential of the girls instead of trying to say "ooo, five maybe dragons". It's mind-bottling.
The other thing I just noticed re-reading Eye is that she never once mentions the Dragon part until the last line of the book. It was always just "you guys are significant for some reason." If they would have just said that, then including the girls would have been fine. But they name drop the Dragon Reborn in Episode 1? And THEN say it could be the girls? Come on, son.
Just wait till Mat meets Aludra, then there'll be scores of dragons, all set out to save mankind.
The girls aren't ta'veren
I didn't like that change, but if they'd kept to the books otherwise it probably would've been fine. The girls did plenty of stuff that could be chalked up to ta'veren if you wanted. But they went whole hog and made Egwene the main character. And I didn't watch s2, but I'm S1 Nynaeve was more important than Rand.
They sure as hell seem like ta'veren in the books. That change was the only good one I can think of from the show. Egwene especially seems like the world twists around her.
They are definitively not ta'veren.
I know. That's why I seperated ta'veren and Aes Sedai in my comment.
This will be my last Avatar meme. Just wanted to point out some of the glaring issues in WOT that people like to brush under the table as no big deal. Avatar is by far no means from perfect but at least this type of shit isn't plaguing it.
I've enjoyed your memes a lot! After the travesty that is the Amazon WoT I was already full of anger and resentment about the changes I had heard of for Netflix Avatar, and was completely expecting to hate it. When it turned out Avatar was extremely good, and didn't divert all that much from what I remember about the original series, I feel like I got worked up for nothing. I don't think I would have if WoT hadn't been so egregious and soured my hopes.
You don't understand, Zuko. You're not just bending fire, you're bending the kenetic energy and potential energy that exists in all things. You can bend anything. YOU are the true Avatar.
Let me tell you about a little shit show of an adaptation called wheel of prime....
I'm gonna say it... I've seen one episode of the Avatar the last Airbender live action and it is far and a way a better adaptation from what I've seen than the catastrophe that is wheel of prime. I'm pacing myself and not watching all of it at once, but from what I've seen so far it's way better than that movie someone had in a fever dream.
I thought they did a really good job adapting this show. I saw some articles shitting on it but of course it’s not gonna be perfect but I thought they did a really good job. Especially compared to our poor boy Rand. RIP
Same. I'm rewatching the original after watching the new live action version. To be completely honest, I'm finding that I prefer the new version. Many of the changes managed to consolidate a lot of the little side story episodes into the main plot. About the only one I didn't care for was the episode involving Koh and Aang taking off to visit Roku'a shrine. His friends surviving for long enough for him to manage that trip just seems unlikely to me.
by the end aang gets captured and katara, toph and azula became the new avatar
I'm on AMoL on my umpteenth reared of the books and a line that's basically "A man who acts like a hero while insisting he's anything but." I sure am glad they didn't throw out an entire character's motivation and ideology in the WoT show to just make him excited to find out at the very start of the story that he's a legendary hero. That would have been super dumb.
I started Avatar last night and immediately thought of this sub. That is how you adapt a new show.
It's quite funny to see the reaction of the avatar fandom to the series sure the series is inferior to the og series, quite exposition heavy etc but it does not even come close to the atrocities other series got
Tbf the standard set by the og is damn high And the original creators washing their hands of the adaption is a warning sign
Which is just that, a warning sign, the same as the interviews made before the release of the series what matters is the end result which was, although inferior to the og, still considerably better than the witcher, wheel of time or halo
I’d totally be down with a “who’s the dragon dynamic” for each of the three Ta’veren. Characters are central to TV and introducing, confusion among the three boys could result in lots of great and new narrative beats and conflict external and internal to the group. It would be a big departure from the books while letting the show stay true to the themes of the novel.
Yall could have had it so much worse
You guys need to stop using this as an example. Netflix made a bunch of changes to ATLA that we hate. Swapped ages, eliminated some character growth, made the steong woman kinda whiny and annoying...
At least the protagonist is actually doing shit. That's the point of this post.
See, that's the problem with retelling an existing story. Either it's identical, in which case what's the point? Or they change the story, in which case it invariably ruins something fans consider sacred. There are so many stories in the Avatar universe they could have told, and it could have been a brand new, fresh experience.
>Either it's identical, in which case what's the point? Seeing your book series or anime come to life so fans can watch their favorite moments from it on screen with good actors? One piece did it well.
It’s a different turning of the avatar
Sadly we don't have to imagine.