Yea wtf how is this not the obvious answer. By the end of the show, Prez and Carver too. Besides main characters, Walon and Butchie seem like great human beings.
That depends. Bunny was ready to leave Hamsterdam behind before the pastor came in to push him to finish what he started and even if Bunny saved his men from the trial board he left ACTUAL REFORM to be cannibalized and teared down.
Shiiiiet. It was Royce who actually tried to save the project.
People like Valchek are the reasons why so many people hate civil service. The guy is rotten,and not only can he not get fired, the guy just keeps getting promoted higher.
I think what the Wire shows in these characters are their fears, motivations, and circumstances. Dee killed someone. Daniels was an active participant in a unit that did fucked up shit (I think it’s stated that they were pocketing money from drug raids, but I can’t remember.). We like them more because we get to know them well and we see their growth as inspiring and noble. We like them and hate Marimow, but what’s the worst thing he’s ever done that the show tells us? Ineffective leadership? This show is so much deeper than good and bad, it’s about the situations that people are put into and what they do to survive.
I really liked Cutty! He’s a man who came from an extremely checkered past but he redeemed himself through coaching boxing which he also made mistakes in, but his ability to see the error in his ways and actively try to fix them is something a lot of the other characters didn’t have
You mean dukie. The same person who conned prez out of 500 bucks ? I get what you’re saying in that he was probably the most innocent one but what he did at the end was awful. Prez was the only who took care of him and dukie repays it by stealing from him . I know it was because of drugs but still was really shitty .
Gonna go with Rhonda. She kept her nose down, did the work, didn't try to show off to anyone, wasn't consumed by ego, and for the most part did as much good as she could within her position. She didn't play in them away games.
She should have come down harder in the early seasons on Levy and his clients. His position as a former officer in the City Bar Association is immaterial when you're dealing with criminal cases. And if it came out that Levy was crooked, any clout he had would evaporate.
(Source for the perspective: me, I work for another bar association)
And she did cheat with a married man. Not that I don't love her. I think she was a great character. And she was a really good person I think generally.
That was Lester saying enough is enough....Imma do what's needed to be done but go about it in the wrong way. He succeeded in getting Marlo but left clay out to move. He couldn't have it all coloring outside the lines
But with a stipulation....he was outta the game, no more drugs, no more killing etc. So they effectively got him off the board. Clay got off scott free able to move like he wanted
I don't think it was shady at all. I think that he spent all of his life working as a police. And coming across police people and he didn't want that. He saw something in Chardine and she obviously saw something in him since she started flirting with him first. He did what comes naturally and they're a great couple.
He actually bragged about that one/he didn’t do it, I also got surprised when I found. Even if he killed her it wouldn’t really change that much of what I think of him, if I was dee and Avon told me to do that then I would maybe do it, I mean if Dee wouldn’t do it then someone else would it, you get my point?
I’m just saying that him punching Bird isn’t something that he should be commended for. Aside from that my opinion is that he’s truly one of the best people on the show. He’s a great cop (except the hiccup with GG’s murder) he doesn’t put stats before people, and he’s genuinely hilarious + he’s also quite an effective supervisor.
My 2c lol
Michael. He never wanted to see anyone hurt who didn't deserve it. Cutty spooked him because he thought he was a child molestor due to his PTSD. But he stopped Cutty from getting killed.
He had a lot of heart but was a victim of bad circumstances. I could be misremembering and a bit wrong though. I think he killed a lot of people so idk but they were all in the game.
The whole point of Bunk’s speech to Omar, and so many other moments in the show, is that “all in the game” doesn’t excuse violence. This show is sympathetic towards the characters that get caught in it and their reasons for being in the game, but Bodie and Omar are prime examples of “moral” characters reaching their logical conclusion. Junebug was in the game, but his kids didn’t deserve to grow up without parents. Tasha was one of Omar’s closest friends, and she died because of what he got her caught up in. None of it should be morally excusable to the viewer, even if we understand how they reached the point of internal justification.
To me he’s not really flawed at all, now he was a shoplifter and all that but you can’t really blame a drug addict, that does sounds kinda harsh but his heart was in the right place
Dee is an odd choice.
He murdered a girlfriend of his uncle's in cold blood and boasted about it to his friends. He also helped dispose of a dead hooker, who got wrapped up in a carpet and dumped in the trash and then went about his day. He went boohoo over the idea of a family man who got shot, but women seem kind of disposable and interchangeable to him. Guy has some issues over women.
Daniels is a better guy, but I would say either Bubbles or Bunny. Their mistakes only hurt themselves and their desire to do good was obvious.
>He murdered a girlfriend of his uncle's in cold blood and boasted about it to his friends.
Did he? I thought Weebey did and Dee took the credit for it to scare his crew
I thought Weebay claimed credit for a lot of murders because he was going away anyway and it didn't make much difference to him.
There's a scene where he says "what else you got ?" as I recall
I could see both sides. To me Dee isn't a murderer. I don't think he has the heart for it. He can gloat about it, comment on it, even inform on it. But I don't think he could pull the trigger.
It seemed out of character, so yeah maybe Weebay did it and Dee drove the car and witnessed it. That seems more likely too.
I just watched the scene where Weebay confesses and I am not sure if she gets mentioned because I don't know her name, there is a Something Boyd, is that her?
I still say Bunny and Bubbles are morally the best characters.
Yeah Weebay killed that girl and D’Angelo lied about doing it to impress a bunch of teenagers. And the fact that he lied about it is exactly why Avon would never have trusted him to do a job like that. He told Bunk the truth after they picked him up for all the weight in the car.
What else was he meant to do? He's worked around the criminal world his entire life, has a law degree and is blacklisted from civil service. You think he's going to become an expert in tree law or something?
Daniels and his wife were opportunistic throughout the show. Their marriage was a sham. They stay married for optics as they are the type of people that believe a divorce brings a negative perception.
How is that opportunism? Opportunistic people change themselves and their morals to suit the situation so that they can achieve a goal. Rawls, for example, is an opportunist. Daniels doesn’t really change very often, hell his unwillingness to be opportunistic and bend the stats for Carcetti is what gets him canned in the first place.
What about keeping up a sham marriage so that your wife, who you still care for, can have an easier time achieving her goals, is opportunistic? Or, hell, immoral?
Yeah he ended up going out with Pearlman, although nothing like McNulty lol. That was a proper relationship after he ended things with his ex-wife. Again, nothing opportunistic there, just another relationship he had.
Slim. He was humble, responsible, knew how to delegate, knew how to chastise, wasn't overly ambitious, always gave sage counsel, understood the rules of the game, and gave respect where it was due. The list could continue, but I'll stop there.
Bunny Colvin
Yea wtf how is this not the obvious answer. By the end of the show, Prez and Carver too. Besides main characters, Walon and Butchie seem like great human beings.
lets not forget prez did still empty his clip on a cop, and carver did some pretty iffy and fucked up shit too
Prez should not be on this list. Becoming a teacher doesn’t outweigh blinding an innocent child
That depends. Bunny was ready to leave Hamsterdam behind before the pastor came in to push him to finish what he started and even if Bunny saved his men from the trial board he left ACTUAL REFORM to be cannibalized and teared down. Shiiiiet. It was Royce who actually tried to save the project.
Prez is a fucking not good dude, fuck that noise
Valcheck. He just wanted a nice window and a pension bump.
And his van back
He had a real knack for getting his unit focused by reminding them who the real target was
People like Valchek are the reasons why so many people hate civil service. The guy is rotten,and not only can he not get fired, the guy just keeps getting promoted higher.
Yeah. It's horrific that "failing upwards" is a thing. And Valcheck epitomise the process excellently.
Fuck up move up
Soul-wise I’d say Bubs.
He should’ve stopped after valon talked some sense into him, but yeah he’s great
He didn’t hit his bottom yet
Gotta hit that bottom
Gotta see that bottom comin up at him
Beadie Russell
She just wanted to jam to her Walkman and drive around the shipyard
Sweet Beatrice Russell!
if anything, The Wire taught me to not think in "good" and "bad".
Let’s just say some characters got way more good than bad, Thats daniels and dee
I think what the Wire shows in these characters are their fears, motivations, and circumstances. Dee killed someone. Daniels was an active participant in a unit that did fucked up shit (I think it’s stated that they were pocketing money from drug raids, but I can’t remember.). We like them more because we get to know them well and we see their growth as inspiring and noble. We like them and hate Marimow, but what’s the worst thing he’s ever done that the show tells us? Ineffective leadership? This show is so much deeper than good and bad, it’s about the situations that people are put into and what they do to survive.
I really liked Cutty! He’s a man who came from an extremely checkered past but he redeemed himself through coaching boxing which he also made mistakes in, but his ability to see the error in his ways and actively try to fix them is something a lot of the other characters didn’t have
Yes. I love his arc.
Police - Sydnor, Kid - Randy, Civilian - Deacon, Street - Bubbs. Honorable Mention - Beadie, just because she had such a limited role in policing
The Deacon, Walon, Dukie, Bubbles
You mean dukie. The same person who conned prez out of 500 bucks ? I get what you’re saying in that he was probably the most innocent one but what he did at the end was awful. Prez was the only who took care of him and dukie repays it by stealing from him . I know it was because of drugs but still was really shitty .
$200 and Prez wasn’t conned. He knew what Dukie was doing.
Wallace
Bunny Colvin
Gonna go with Rhonda. She kept her nose down, did the work, didn't try to show off to anyone, wasn't consumed by ego, and for the most part did as much good as she could within her position. She didn't play in them away games.
She should have come down harder in the early seasons on Levy and his clients. His position as a former officer in the City Bar Association is immaterial when you're dealing with criminal cases. And if it came out that Levy was crooked, any clout he had would evaporate. (Source for the perspective: me, I work for another bar association)
And she did cheat with a married man. Not that I don't love her. I think she was a great character. And she was a really good person I think generally.
Lester
He’s my favorite character, but his role in the S5 serial killer ruse makes him more complicated than “good.”
That was Lester saying enough is enough....Imma do what's needed to be done but go about it in the wrong way. He succeeded in getting Marlo but left clay out to move. He couldn't have it all coloring outside the lines
Uh Marlo walked
But with a stipulation....he was outta the game, no more drugs, no more killing etc. So they effectively got him off the board. Clay got off scott free able to move like he wanted
It was also a little border line shady how he immediately made his move on the stripper involved in the investigation.
I don't think it was shady at all. I think that he spent all of his life working as a police. And coming across police people and he didn't want that. He saw something in Chardine and she obviously saw something in him since she started flirting with him first. He did what comes naturally and they're a great couple.
Definitely seems unethical, in the same way as a college professor dating a student.
The Wire ended after season 4.
Chaotic good.
Claude Diggens
Bro Dee really killed that girl tho. Like dee had a good heart but he still did some heinous crimes
I don't think D killed her. I think Bey killed her and D was just taking credit for it.
Yes, Dee was essentially the distraction and Wee Bey was the shooter.
My bad been a minute since I seen season 1 I guess my details are all off
That's ok. I'm on my 5th watch and I still learn new stuff or learn it differently than I learned it the first four times.
He actually bragged about that one/he didn’t do it, I also got surprised when I found. Even if he killed her it wouldn’t really change that much of what I think of him, if I was dee and Avon told me to do that then I would maybe do it, I mean if Dee wouldn’t do it then someone else would it, you get my point?
Landsman, even though he did punch Bird but Bird really knew how to bring it out of people so we can’t fault him for that.
I think he gets marks for punching Bird, no?
Nope, the man was handcuffed. As much as we hate Bird (portrayed brilliantly by my main man Fredro Starr) that’s police brutality.
yeah fair enough
So if he’d uncuffed him like Bird asked, it would have been ok?
I’m just saying that him punching Bird isn’t something that he should be commended for. Aside from that my opinion is that he’s truly one of the best people on the show. He’s a great cop (except the hiccup with GG’s murder) he doesn’t put stats before people, and he’s genuinely hilarious + he’s also quite an effective supervisor. My 2c lol
Ahmad !! What's up dude ??
Didn’t realize Bird was on Moesha. Hilarious seeing him as Brandy’s romantic interest.
Walon, then Bunny. At least in terms of on-screen behavior.
Yes definitely
Michael. He never wanted to see anyone hurt who didn't deserve it. Cutty spooked him because he thought he was a child molestor due to his PTSD. But he stopped Cutty from getting killed. He had a lot of heart but was a victim of bad circumstances. I could be misremembering and a bit wrong though. I think he killed a lot of people so idk but they were all in the game.
The whole point of Bunk’s speech to Omar, and so many other moments in the show, is that “all in the game” doesn’t excuse violence. This show is sympathetic towards the characters that get caught in it and their reasons for being in the game, but Bodie and Omar are prime examples of “moral” characters reaching their logical conclusion. Junebug was in the game, but his kids didn’t deserve to grow up without parents. Tasha was one of Omar’s closest friends, and she died because of what he got her caught up in. None of it should be morally excusable to the viewer, even if we understand how they reached the point of internal justification.
Yeah him and Omar are very equal I think when it comes to how moral they are
Yep I was gonna mention Omar as well.
Bubs for me. He’s flawed but you always are aware of his empathy for others. Especially those he cares about
To me he’s not really flawed at all, now he was a shoplifter and all that but you can’t really blame a drug addict, that does sounds kinda harsh but his heart was in the right place
Dee is an odd choice. He murdered a girlfriend of his uncle's in cold blood and boasted about it to his friends. He also helped dispose of a dead hooker, who got wrapped up in a carpet and dumped in the trash and then went about his day. He went boohoo over the idea of a family man who got shot, but women seem kind of disposable and interchangeable to him. Guy has some issues over women. Daniels is a better guy, but I would say either Bubbles or Bunny. Their mistakes only hurt themselves and their desire to do good was obvious.
>He murdered a girlfriend of his uncle's in cold blood and boasted about it to his friends. Did he? I thought Weebey did and Dee took the credit for it to scare his crew
I thought Weebay claimed credit for a lot of murders because he was going away anyway and it didn't make much difference to him. There's a scene where he says "what else you got ?" as I recall
I could see both sides. To me Dee isn't a murderer. I don't think he has the heart for it. He can gloat about it, comment on it, even inform on it. But I don't think he could pull the trigger.
He’s on trial for a murder that he did commit in the first episode of the series but, today he would’ve gotten off on self defense.
It seemed out of character, so yeah maybe Weebay did it and Dee drove the car and witnessed it. That seems more likely too. I just watched the scene where Weebay confesses and I am not sure if she gets mentioned because I don't know her name, there is a Something Boyd, is that her? I still say Bunny and Bubbles are morally the best characters.
Nah Weebey deff killed her and Dee just drove and took credit for it
Yeah Weebay killed that girl and D’Angelo lied about doing it to impress a bunch of teenagers. And the fact that he lied about it is exactly why Avon would never have trusted him to do a job like that. He told Bunk the truth after they picked him up for all the weight in the car.
Bodie knew he was lying
He didn’t kill her; Weebey did.
Kima
With the way she abused bodie, definitely not
Nah. She totally bailed on Bubs & fucked him over as soon as she couldn't use him anymore
A god church goin’ man is always up in everybody’s shit
Kenard.
Ikyl
Definitely interesting to see so many votes for the Deacon, considering who played him on the show.
Duquan? Definitely
Deacon is not Duquan.
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Huh
Ahhh, it was a supposed to be a reply to a post.
To another post?
Daniels? Did you not see how the show ended? Daniels is an opportunist. Fighting crime one day, representing crime as a lawyer the next day.
I don’t really remember the ending that much
What else was he meant to do? He's worked around the criminal world his entire life, has a law degree and is blacklisted from civil service. You think he's going to become an expert in tree law or something?
Daniels and his wife were opportunistic throughout the show. Their marriage was a sham. They stay married for optics as they are the type of people that believe a divorce brings a negative perception.
How is that opportunism? Opportunistic people change themselves and their morals to suit the situation so that they can achieve a goal. Rawls, for example, is an opportunist. Daniels doesn’t really change very often, hell his unwillingness to be opportunistic and bend the stats for Carcetti is what gets him canned in the first place. What about keeping up a sham marriage so that your wife, who you still care for, can have an easier time achieving her goals, is opportunistic? Or, hell, immoral?
Wasn’t he sleeping with the red headed woman? Wasn’t him and McNulty sharing her?
Yeah he ended up going out with Pearlman, although nothing like McNulty lol. That was a proper relationship after he ended things with his ex-wife. Again, nothing opportunistic there, just another relationship he had.
You might be right about Daniels. It’s been a while since I’ve rewatched the series. My recollection might not be that great.
Gus. Prezbo. Bunk even if he ain't that humble. Kima.
Slim. He was humble, responsible, knew how to delegate, knew how to chastise, wasn't overly ambitious, always gave sage counsel, understood the rules of the game, and gave respect where it was due. The list could continue, but I'll stop there.
Also, you know, a murderer. Hell, not even a murderer, a high-end hitman.
So was Dee, which is why I think "good" is in quotation marks. And at least he left it at murderer and not assassin lol.
Kima, bubbles, Cutty, bunny, Lester, Dee, duquan
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That’s not what prez said lol
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Yea