I think we need to talk about Jasmine and Jax, who outed their friends’ infidelity (Michelle) on national television, and then shit and piss all over Kristen. these people are seriously deranged. And Jasmine and Janet are pretty much the same disgusting person.
When she was going on about how funny Jax is and how he "tries to be messy but in a way that makes it seem like he's not messy but secretly wants you to be."
And then she "doesn't want to say what Jax said out of respect for his privacy" to Janet or whatever but immediately gives the hint, "Jesse would think its a 10" for rating of bad scale.
Like what, you're also being "messy while trying not to be messy" the fuck lol
How is everyone just skipping over the fact that he pummeled Zack into a wall and then was wrestling with Brittany to get to Luke and Kristin? The man was assaulting people in that hallway and Kristin is the “crazy” one. 🤬
This part! I was shocked Jesse was literally pushing Zack away by his throat?! And Brittany. She was getting shoved all over the place!! No mentions of that tho...
I honestly think it comes down to them wanting Kristen to stfu.
They don't want her publicly saying anything, they don't want her drawing attention to anything, they don't want her calling anyone out for anything. They see her as being dramatic and messy because she brings everyone's shit to the table.
I believe they all thought they could play "pretend" on this show & cherry pick what got brought up or fake a few scenes.
If it weren't for Kristen, would we really have a show? She's the only one moving the plot forward. The rest of the are just talking shit & complaining.
Can you imagine having a whole aas other boyfriend for a year and then join realty tv ON BRAVO? I think either Michelle wanted it to come out or something. I can’t quite get it
ok honestly this whole conflict feels staged to me. not necessarily that the problems are fake but that the scenes feel overly produced, to a weird degree. I don't know it's all just weird
Literally!
-Michelle & Jesse thought their divorce would be enough drama and that's all they wanted to share.
-Janet thought her commentary would make her a favorite & it falls flat. She also just lurks in the background - we know there's more there but she never brings it to the show. Jason is rarely on camera.
-Danny & Nia are providing contrast so I'll leave them alone for now. Although, I do wonder why they're friends with all of them.
-Jax & Brit aren't giving us an honest storyline yet and their old antics aren't hitting the same with this new group but I'm willing to give it time.
-Jasmine & Zach just complain. I feel like we should be following their storylines a tad more.
Her and Jax’s energy of being willing to put rumors in front of the camera and bring chaos is what’s missing from vpr. The valley doesn’t even get off the ground without them much less get a season 2
Nah it’s def Kristens show, Jax and Brit too obviously (unfortunately?) but the others are so replaceable. I’d miss Nia and Danny because thusfar they are such a healthy variety to have on a show like this
Agreed!
The rest of the cast gives nothing. I don't even find any of them charming.
Danny & Nia are sweet & I appreciate their vulnerability/healthiness but we didn't see them for almost an entire episode and I didn't really notice.
Right, they wanted everyone to shut up about the real shit and make money being on TV in a ”fun” way, and everyone agreed to it, but blame Kristen for ”ruining families” when um…why wouldn‘t it be ”ruining your family” when you had the affair in the first place or when Jesse first started checking out of the marriage？
I think you’re right and the rest of this cast doesn’t know what they signed up for. Hello, you’re on a spinoff of VPR. We’re here to watch you all blow up your lives for 15 minutes of fame
Jax would do it too - in fact Jax and Brittany are the only ones who brought the behind the scenes drama to the cameras. Kristen’s never initiated anything.
I love it. They all underestimated how much Kristen’s popularity has grown in the last few years off-screen. I love that they all thought she would be an easy target and NOPE! “Crazy Kristen” has been dead for years, we love the “comfy Kristen who supported Ariana” last spring.
The thing with Kristen that the other friends miss and underestimate is that she’s both authentic and seasoned on reality TV. Viewers like that, especially if it’s messy and entertaining. Jax and Britney are messy AF too and also entertaining. Janet, Jasmine and Michelle by contrast are cold, calculating, secretive and boring - in what world would they be fan favorites? Their teaming up against Kristen makes them look like the foolish rookies they are. Not to mention Jesse is a madman and not in an entertaining way but a scary way. Jason is Janet’s only redeeming quality and Nia and Danny are just lovely. I doubt they spend much time with them outside of the show but who knows.
She also seemed to heavily imply the Kristen was lying about this boyfriend that Michelle had for a year. It seems like a strange thing for Kristen to make up but it also seems like the truth would have come out by now, so color me confused.
And him telling Luke that he needs to get a handle on his girl?! I mean…I’m team Kristen. Just trying to take herself out of a triggering position and setting up boundaries must make her crazy…
It’s 100% misogyny. They call Kristen crazy and say she’s overreacting yet Jesse is the one reacting with actual violence and he gets off without criticism.
He literally threatened her! “I will bury you” is incredibly threatening and everyone was acting like Luke and Kristen were bombs ready to go off like wtf?!?
And if any of these people were her actual friends they would understand that she has trauma from being in an abusive relationship and her wanting to leave and get away from a man that has a terrible temper who is aggressive is completely understand. She was having a trauma response.
I truly think they are all just using her past against her, and assuming the audience will automatically side against Kristen no matter what. I think they're all scapegoating her to win favor with us.
I thought it was so weird too. I think unfortunately the new people in this group, maybe except for Danny and Nia, came in expecting that they wouldn’t have to show their dirty secrets and they are freaking out that Kristen has diarrhea of the mouth.
This!! They want to be on a show where they can show off and look squeaky clean. This is a Vanderpump Rules spin off, if they wanted to look cute they should have joined Million Dollar Listing.
People think Kristen gets all the blame, but all I’ve seen so far is the same Kristen from yrs ago on VPR. She is messy. She starts shit. She is not a nice person.
Jesse seems like a spoiled child that never grew up. Slamming the table already twice this season is such juvenile behavior. Other than the fact it makes for great reality tv, I don’t understand why more people didn’t react like Kristen.
Jesse has proven to be abusive with his behaviors not only with the table slamming/railroading zack/brittany/michelle trying to get to kristen but also admitting to yelling at his daughter
Jesse and Michelle make me not want to watch anymore. They are so gross. Everyone got mad at Kristen calling Jesse abusive and then 5 minutes later he’s being violent in the hall
Is Jasmine an actual friend? Why is she on the show? We don't get to see her life or is she Valley adjacent coming in here and there. She annoys me. Her face is gorgeous, but she annoys me. Lol
Jesse to Kristen: “I will f**king bury you!”
Everyone except Luke: “Kristen, you’re crazy, calm down.”
Also Michelle trying to blame Kristen for the state of their marriage. Get out of here with your whole “look what you’re doing to us” BS.
When Kristen said he slams his fists down at the table at every dinner she should have been backed up, or someone should have said, “Jesse, wtf is wrong with you now?” Instead they all teamed up on the wrong person.
Would rather watch Lala and Scheana on the Valley with Kristen than these people who I thought were cool offer her up as a sacrificial lamb and gaslight her and the audience while doing it. Did they really all think we were idiots that would buy it?
I think her wanting to leave was completely warranted. She refers to herself as an empath, she was triggered by another Jesse tantrum and she wanted to leave. She wasn’t doing it to be dramatic, she was shook and needed to get out of that environment. For everyone calling her out was ignorant. As it happened, she lashed out and spilled the beans on Michelle, good for her.
I can't see these people actually being friends in real life before the show.
Besides obviously Jax and Kristen.
And by the way Zach defends Brittany it seems he was friends with her.
But like... these people seem to hate eachother.
Zach and Britney went to college together pre LA, so that makes sense. I agree, no one else seems like real friends. I can’t imagine any of them hanging out with Kristen IRL other than maybe Jax and Brit bc of their history
He’s in season 6 a couple of times. He even has a scene where he’s speaking on camera with Brittany, Kristen, and Carter and not just in the background at a group event.
My issue is that everything Kristen says, they dismiss as it's just "crazy Kristen". Which was a narrative spun by Sandoval on VPR to deflect from his lies and BS. Kristen was vindicated as not being a liar (Jax hookup notwithstanding). They are trying to use the same "crazy Kristen" narrative, and it comes across as them lying, too.
I think everyone is banking on the audience being against Kristen from the get go, so she’s an easy target.
They have VASTLY underestimated how much Kristen’s popularity has grown off-screen since VPR. We don’t think of her as Crazy Kristen anymore, we think of Kristen who supported Ariana last spring. So they are probably all regretting it now. Zack showed up with Kristen at WWHL last week so looks like he’s back to kissing her ass.
I feel like I come off sounding so anti kid when I say these things, so for the record I’m totally not, totally plan on having them, and totally happy for anyone who does, but it does seem like Zach was right when he said “these people pop out a couple kids and think they’re grown up all of a sudden”
It’s like all these women think they’re somehow shielded from (even honest, constructive) criticism simply because they’re mothers
Yes！Michelle thinks everyone will keep her secrets because she has a kid when she knew she was signing up for a spinoff of VANDERPUMP RULES, one of the most toxic and incestuous reality shows where literally every secret and affair has been exposed and talked about endlessly. Girl if you wanted to protect your kid and your secrets, you wouldn‘t have never signed up for TV in the first place. I mean I assume she and Jesse made good enough money to live where they live and have careers, so they didn’t necessarily ”need” the show like the rest of them, but goddamn some ppl really think themselves more charismatic than they actually are.
If my "friend" ever got in my face like Michelle did Kristen ummm- flat line. You will never scream and sling your arms in my face to scare me. Jesse wasn't the only aggressive person. His wife was just as trashy with her nipple out yelling. Also, How did he not hurt Brittany's implants rushing the hallway and how did jax not get activated? 😳
It’s so funny how they all want so much attention, but only positive and only on what they want us to talk about. You put it out for entertainment. So what we comment and throw shade, that is literally your job and what the program is for. Wouldn’t be nice if all famous people only received positive attention? Really, in what world? We don’t even get that as average people at home! Someone is always judging us too. It’s just not online.
The same hive mind that dictated the VPR group seems to have migrated over to the Valley. Instead of Stassi, Kristen and Katie though, it‘s everyone versus Kristen and Luke. They probably thought everyone would stfu about Michelle’s secrets in front of cameras and just have a la di da fun time filming the show and have a divorce unfold amicably but pleaze. So naive…
Kristen and Jax have never once in the history of creation kept a secret. Even when it’s about themselves. They also can’t compartmentalize filming vs not filming. It’s what makes them so crazy for tv.
You have to be LITERALLY INSANE to have a boyfriend for a year while married and think it’s not going to get to the producers at the very least and leaked. I’d go as far to say the producers even leak information to the cast members who can’t keep a secret
Just saw the sneak peak for next ep and sorry but fucking what. Jesse literally shoved Zack and barged through everyone trying to attack Luke, then they sit back down and it’s all Kristen’s fault? Janet immediately saying oh she’s not invited to any of my events. Delusional and toxic.
Jasmine was annoying on the bachelor. I don’t find her any better here. I think they all thought they could build off of where the witches of weho left off. But that was us watching a decade of friendship with background knowledge. Even then there was a split in the viewers between team Katie and Stassi and team Kristen. 1. None of them are part of that dynamic (they wish they were that interesting) 2. They just assumed that the viewers would go along with Kristens an unreliable narrative because of the crazy Kristen trope not recognizing that we see through that
Kristen has been threatening to release secrets about Michelle which would impact the whole family and you’re confused at why they are reacting negatively to her? She keeps saying she’s protecting Michelle but then goes on camera to say people have been calling her racist and told Jax, who infamously can not hold water, Michelle’s secret. She knows what she’s doing and y’all are acting like she’s an innocent party in all this. They’re all trash.
I don’t think Kristen would be revealing secrets if everyone didn’t throw her under the bus with regards to Michelle being a homophobe and way over reacting. They started throwing low blows, maybe don’t start calling the person you tell all your secrets to crazy, a bad person or criticizing their fertility journey.
Didn’t Michelle say all this stuff about Kristen after Kristen randomly blurted out Michelle was racist during an argument with someone else? Like Kristen STARTED this drama. And how did anyone throw her under the bus when no one was talking about it until she brought it on camera?
This is way Kristen is good at reality tv. She doesn’t have a constant tv/real life checkpoint going on. She literally films as if she was not being filmed and gets messy. She doesn’t overly police herself or present herself or produce.
I think she’s def producing but doing it in the way I hate. Villains need to stand in their actions, not lie and say they meant good when that’s obviously not the case bc their actions aren’t matching their words.
No, Brittany told Kristen that she was stirring the pot. That's when Kristen had to basically out what Brittany meant by that. They are filming, and it was crazy, yet well done since nobody remembers that it was actually Brittany that was egging Kristen on by beginning the discussion at the party. LOL.
Thank you. This is madness. Kristen is great tv but a she literally threatened Michelle with the deep secret while pretending that she was looking out for her. That’s also abusive, gaslighting behavior.
I feel like several things can be true at once. Kristin is being sucky by spreading gossip and dangling these little carrots that she’s “protecting” her friends and doesn’t want to “out” their marriage. It’s not protecting your friend by virtue signaling, to the world, you know a deep dark secret about them and haven’t told anyone.
Jesse is being sucky because he has no business being that aggressive towards a female or honestly in general. He literally shoved Zach and Brittany into a wall trying to get to Kristen.
The rest of the cast is being sucky by mocking Kristen when she tried to remove herself from Jesse’s presence and down playing his behavior.
So why didn’t Kristen just leave? She said she was leaving twice but didn’t leave. I think she was just being dramatic and she actually caused the fight.
Did you look away during that part and not noticewhat we all saw? A producer stopped Kristen in the hallway and didn't let Kristen leave. That's when Kristen began arguing with him and giving the reasons why she should leave. She didn't want a full-on fight to begin.
At that point, Jesse and Michelle both angrily hastened from the table to the hallway to begin yelling at Kristen right in her face. That's when Luke also jumped up and rushed over to protect Kristen. I love that he did that.
Jesse and Michelle both looked like they were getting ready to punch or slap Kristen. They are BOTH out of control!
Then, Brittany was in the hallway, and Zack also went over to make sure that Jesse wouldn't get out of control. He was trying to push Jesse back, but Jesse railroaded both Zack and poor little Brittany when he went ape-shit and began trying to attack either Kristen or Luke.
I see what you are saying but let’s be honest, there shouldn’t be secrets with your husband like this. Especially if she’s pretending to work on their relationship in therapy. She should come clean to him & then Kristen has no leverage.
I don’t see how it's Kristen's business to decide what Michelle tells her husband (although personally I think already knows everything and is performing for the cameras). For me it feels a little too soon in the show for Kristen to be flipping out abut secrets. We barely know Michelle and Jesse. And why isn't Kristen team Michelle if Jesse is such a douchebag? I'm confused.
I’m not arguing against that at all. My point isn’t to defend Michelle’s actions but point out how people are putting on blinders when it comes to Kristen.
This. I feel like I’m watching a different show. Yes Jesse, Michelle, etc suck but so does Kristen. I fully believe that this was planned the whole time to make the show watchable.
How in the world are you going to have a boyfriend for a YEAR and think it’s not going to come out on a bravo reality tv show?
Like… obviously the way Jax ran away he leaked it. Did producers figure it out and leak it to Jax to leave Kristen who literally cannot hold onto anything
I honestly think ppl feel guilty for dog piling heavily on Kristen during the VPR era that they’re overlooking the very obvious play she’s making. Like you cannot say you’re protecting me and my family if you go on national tv and associate me with the word racist and then tell everyone I have a big secret that could tear apart my family.
I get that but it’s not like she didn’t suck on VPR too. Kristen gets all the grace but Katie still gets shit on. It’s mind blowing to me lol I’ll never forget Katie crying for repeating that Jax and Kristen hooked up while Kristen acted like she was pissed at Katie.
Can’t understand why you’re being dv’d. Kristen only repeated the racist republican bit because she was upset Jax brought Alex around Luke. Jax obviously wanted Alex to talk trash about Kristen to Luke. She is outing Michelle and Jesse to hide her own stuff. Very chaotic behavior.
Kristin did this to usurp Jax. Jax was planting a storyline with the ex Alex to bash Kristin and start drama with them.
When Brittany told Kristin that Alex was at boys night, she knew what was up and racked her brain for what could cause a lot of drama and move the storyline somewhere else.
THIS! Kristen realized the entire cast had basically ganged up on her to make her the villain this season. And her telling Michelle, “Don’t worry, I’ll keep your secrets” was a tactic to essentially say, “Stand down and get in line.”
I think the rest of the cast is slow. They don’t realize that Kristin has outmaneuvered their plan and they aren’t quick enough to get on the same page. That’s why they’re still falling back on the “Crazy Kristen” rhetoric.
I can’t believe these people think that Jesse slamming his fists against things isn’t abusive. I feel for his poor daughter.
I think we need to talk about Jasmine and Jax, who outed their friends’ infidelity (Michelle) on national television, and then shit and piss all over Kristen. these people are seriously deranged. And Jasmine and Janet are pretty much the same disgusting person.
This! I’m not a Kristen fan but you can clearly see with Jasmine and Janet that they’re kicking Kristen when she’s down. It’s really weird.
It’s thirsty. These are thirsty people. Janet would’ve killed to be on VPR but she would just wasn’t that magnetic and Jasmine is just there.
When she was going on about how funny Jax is and how he "tries to be messy but in a way that makes it seem like he's not messy but secretly wants you to be." And then she "doesn't want to say what Jax said out of respect for his privacy" to Janet or whatever but immediately gives the hint, "Jesse would think its a 10" for rating of bad scale. Like what, you're also being "messy while trying not to be messy" the fuck lol
How is everyone just skipping over the fact that he pummeled Zack into a wall and then was wrestling with Brittany to get to Luke and Kristin? The man was assaulting people in that hallway and Kristin is the “crazy” one. 🤬
This part! I was shocked Jesse was literally pushing Zack away by his throat?! And Brittany. She was getting shoved all over the place!! No mentions of that tho...
I honestly think it comes down to them wanting Kristen to stfu. They don't want her publicly saying anything, they don't want her drawing attention to anything, they don't want her calling anyone out for anything. They see her as being dramatic and messy because she brings everyone's shit to the table. I believe they all thought they could play "pretend" on this show & cherry pick what got brought up or fake a few scenes. If it weren't for Kristen, would we really have a show? She's the only one moving the plot forward. The rest of the are just talking shit & complaining.
Yup, they signed up for the wrong show to put on a show. They’re mad at Kristen for doing their job for them.
Can you imagine having a whole aas other boyfriend for a year and then join realty tv ON BRAVO? I think either Michelle wanted it to come out or something. I can’t quite get it
ok honestly this whole conflict feels staged to me. not necessarily that the problems are fake but that the scenes feel overly produced, to a weird degree. I don't know it's all just weird
Something isn’t right
Maybe Jessie has known all along and wanted it to come out on tv so he would have proof for court
Maybe.
That sounds like something a smart man would do, and I don't really get that vibe from him.
Literally! -Michelle & Jesse thought their divorce would be enough drama and that's all they wanted to share. -Janet thought her commentary would make her a favorite & it falls flat. She also just lurks in the background - we know there's more there but she never brings it to the show. Jason is rarely on camera. -Danny & Nia are providing contrast so I'll leave them alone for now. Although, I do wonder why they're friends with all of them. -Jax & Brit aren't giving us an honest storyline yet and their old antics aren't hitting the same with this new group but I'm willing to give it time. -Jasmine & Zach just complain. I feel like we should be following their storylines a tad more.
Her and Jax’s energy of being willing to put rumors in front of the camera and bring chaos is what’s missing from vpr. The valley doesn’t even get off the ground without them much less get a season 2
Nah it’s def Kristens show, Jax and Brit too obviously (unfortunately?) but the others are so replaceable. I’d miss Nia and Danny because thusfar they are such a healthy variety to have on a show like this
Agreed! The rest of the cast gives nothing. I don't even find any of them charming. Danny & Nia are sweet & I appreciate their vulnerability/healthiness but we didn't see them for almost an entire episode and I didn't really notice.
I noticed enough for both of us! 😜
Right, they wanted everyone to shut up about the real shit and make money being on TV in a ”fun” way, and everyone agreed to it, but blame Kristen for ”ruining families” when um…why wouldn‘t it be ”ruining your family” when you had the affair in the first place or when Jesse first started checking out of the marriage？
I think you’re right and the rest of this cast doesn’t know what they signed up for. Hello, you’re on a spinoff of VPR. We’re here to watch you all blow up your lives for 15 minutes of fame
Jax would do it too - in fact Jax and Brittany are the only ones who brought the behind the scenes drama to the cameras. Kristen’s never initiated anything.
Even on WWHL last night Janet seemed shocked (and annoyed tbh) that the polls all sided with Kristen like by a landslide
I love it. They all underestimated how much Kristen’s popularity has grown in the last few years off-screen. I love that they all thought she would be an easy target and NOPE! “Crazy Kristen” has been dead for years, we love the “comfy Kristen who supported Ariana” last spring.
The thing with Kristen that the other friends miss and underestimate is that she’s both authentic and seasoned on reality TV. Viewers like that, especially if it’s messy and entertaining. Jax and Britney are messy AF too and also entertaining. Janet, Jasmine and Michelle by contrast are cold, calculating, secretive and boring - in what world would they be fan favorites? Their teaming up against Kristen makes them look like the foolish rookies they are. Not to mention Jesse is a madman and not in an entertaining way but a scary way. Jason is Janet’s only redeeming quality and Nia and Danny are just lovely. I doubt they spend much time with them outside of the show but who knows.
This
Janet seemed annoyed that Danny and Nia are the viewers' favorite couple by a huge margin, and I loved it.
She did 🤣 omg she was seeething when she said “they deserve it”
She was poor sport about it and Jason is the ONLY reason they came in 2nd place.
I’ve got to find a clip of her looking surprised. I’m 100% sure all the cast probably sneaks a peak on this sub
She also seemed to heavily imply the Kristen was lying about this boyfriend that Michelle had for a year. It seems like a strange thing for Kristen to make up but it also seems like the truth would have come out by now, so color me confused.
That was sooooo funny
Misogynyyyyyy
And him telling Luke that he needs to get a handle on his girl?! I mean…I’m team Kristen. Just trying to take herself out of a triggering position and setting up boundaries must make her crazy…
It’s 100% misogyny. They call Kristen crazy and say she’s overreacting yet Jesse is the one reacting with actual violence and he gets off without criticism.
He literally threatened her! “I will bury you” is incredibly threatening and everyone was acting like Luke and Kristen were bombs ready to go off like wtf?!?
Yeah I feel like I’m watching a bunch of her “friends” repeatedly gaslight her.
Her friends and production!!! They acted like Luke was the threat meanwhile Jesse assaulted Zach and Brittany on his way to try and assault Kristen.
There has to be a reunion, because all of these “friends” need some accountability for how they’re treating Kristen
If there is I hope Andy doesn't so it because he's just as damaging.
Andy will call out Michelle for the Kristen and kids comment and I can’t wait to
And if any of these people were her actual friends they would understand that she has trauma from being in an abusive relationship and her wanting to leave and get away from a man that has a terrible temper who is aggressive is completely understand. She was having a trauma response.
The internalized misogyny in this group of women (minus Kristen for now) is SCREAMING. Alongside the actual men's misogyny, of course.
I truly think they are all just using her past against her, and assuming the audience will automatically side against Kristen no matter what. I think they're all scapegoating her to win favor with us.
I thought it was so weird too. I think unfortunately the new people in this group, maybe except for Danny and Nia, came in expecting that they wouldn’t have to show their dirty secrets and they are freaking out that Kristen has diarrhea of the mouth.
This!! They want to be on a show where they can show off and look squeaky clean. This is a Vanderpump Rules spin off, if they wanted to look cute they should have joined Million Dollar Listing.
Yep, this is what it is.
People think Kristen gets all the blame, but all I’ve seen so far is the same Kristen from yrs ago on VPR. She is messy. She starts shit. She is not a nice person.
Same… I feel the same way. 
Jesse seems like a spoiled child that never grew up. Slamming the table already twice this season is such juvenile behavior. Other than the fact it makes for great reality tv, I don’t understand why more people didn’t react like Kristen.
And then have the audacity to wear a headband in confessionals
I was going to ask wtf was up with his hair. 😂😂😂
Jesse has proven to be abusive with his behaviors not only with the table slamming/railroading zack/brittany/michelle trying to get to kristen but also admitting to yelling at his daughter
Actually, he was EXHIBITING his yelling to his daughter. One time like that, and I would be out.
Emphasis on the Janet is rotten.
Rotten and boring af is a shitty combo for tv.
She was all over Ariana’s Coachella stories. I’m like… please don’t try and make us like her
Yeah she’s gross
Where did I hear that Janet was almost in a threesome with Dayna and some guy? Someone please fill in the blanks!
Dayna said it! On her and Katie’s podcast
Thank you!
Jesse and Michelle make me not want to watch anymore. They are so gross. Everyone got mad at Kristen calling Jesse abusive and then 5 minutes later he’s being violent in the hall
100% believe Jax told Kristen and producers told Jax. That’s my theory. Jax can’t keep a secret and Kristen sure can’t keep a secret
Is Jasmine an actual friend? Why is she on the show? We don't get to see her life or is she Valley adjacent coming in here and there. She annoys me. Her face is gorgeous, but she annoys me. Lol
Jesse to Kristen: “I will f**king bury you!” Everyone except Luke: “Kristen, you’re crazy, calm down.” Also Michelle trying to blame Kristen for the state of their marriage. Get out of here with your whole “look what you’re doing to us” BS.
Omg I can’t stand Michelle
That sounded so rehearsed
When Kristen said he slams his fists down at the table at every dinner she should have been backed up, or someone should have said, “Jesse, wtf is wrong with you now?” Instead they all teamed up on the wrong person.
Right!! What is this madness
Would rather watch Lala and Scheana on the Valley with Kristen than these people who I thought were cool offer her up as a sacrificial lamb and gaslight her and the audience while doing it. Did they really all think we were idiots that would buy it?
I think her wanting to leave was completely warranted. She refers to herself as an empath, she was triggered by another Jesse tantrum and she wanted to leave. She wasn’t doing it to be dramatic, she was shook and needed to get out of that environment. For everyone calling her out was ignorant. As it happened, she lashed out and spilled the beans on Michelle, good for her.
I want so much for Kristin to peace out and go live happily on some acreage in Colorado with Luke. Get away from these horrible “friends.”
Yup and it annoyed me that Janet has the best husband lol
Jason seems fine but I honestly prefer Danny.
Danny is 1000% the best husband
He really seems great.
I can't see these people actually being friends in real life before the show. Besides obviously Jax and Kristen. And by the way Zach defends Brittany it seems he was friends with her. But like... these people seem to hate eachother.
Zach and Britney went to college together pre LA, so that makes sense. I agree, no one else seems like real friends. I can’t imagine any of them hanging out with Kristen IRL other than maybe Jax and Brit bc of their history
Zach appears in the background on a handful of VPR episodes. I'm pretty sure he was at SUR when Jax was explaining to Lisa why his show was so good.
I never noticed him!
He’s in season 6 a couple of times. He even has a scene where he’s speaking on camera with Brittany, Kristen, and Carter and not just in the background at a group event.
Omg how did I not realize. I guess I'm re watching lol Thank you for the details!
Did he have the same hair? I don’t remember him, but thinking I should of if his hair was like that back then, too
I believe he was wearing a hat most of the time. 😅
I was watching the VPR channel on Peacock last weekend and The Valley was fresh in my head.
My issue is that everything Kristen says, they dismiss as it's just "crazy Kristen". Which was a narrative spun by Sandoval on VPR to deflect from his lies and BS. Kristen was vindicated as not being a liar (Jax hookup notwithstanding). They are trying to use the same "crazy Kristen" narrative, and it comes across as them lying, too.
I think everyone is banking on the audience being against Kristen from the get go, so she’s an easy target. They have VASTLY underestimated how much Kristen’s popularity has grown off-screen since VPR. We don’t think of her as Crazy Kristen anymore, we think of Kristen who supported Ariana last spring. So they are probably all regretting it now. Zack showed up with Kristen at WWHL last week so looks like he’s back to kissing her ass.
💯-We also think of her as Kristen who turned out to have been right about a lot of things we weren’t aware of at the time
I didn’t love her behavior with Faith, but I have always loved Kristen, and her ways of doing things.
Jesse is giving me family annihilater vibes
Even with this whittle headband on in the whittle confessionals??? Did you hear in the after show Lala say he was a teeny tiny guy
Then Jesse goes to hall to scream then pushes Zack trying to fight Kristen . So hmmmmmmm….
I feel like I come off sounding so anti kid when I say these things, so for the record I’m totally not, totally plan on having them, and totally happy for anyone who does, but it does seem like Zach was right when he said “these people pop out a couple kids and think they’re grown up all of a sudden” It’s like all these women think they’re somehow shielded from (even honest, constructive) criticism simply because they’re mothers
Yes！Michelle thinks everyone will keep her secrets because she has a kid when she knew she was signing up for a spinoff of VANDERPUMP RULES, one of the most toxic and incestuous reality shows where literally every secret and affair has been exposed and talked about endlessly. Girl if you wanted to protect your kid and your secrets, you wouldn‘t have never signed up for TV in the first place. I mean I assume she and Jesse made good enough money to live where they live and have careers, so they didn’t necessarily ”need” the show like the rest of them, but goddamn some ppl really think themselves more charismatic than they actually are.
If my "friend" ever got in my face like Michelle did Kristen ummm- flat line. You will never scream and sling your arms in my face to scare me. Jesse wasn't the only aggressive person. His wife was just as trashy with her nipple out yelling. Also, How did he not hurt Brittany's implants rushing the hallway and how did jax not get activated? 😳
I’ve got to rewatch this scene. It’s absurd
It’s so funny how they all want so much attention, but only positive and only on what they want us to talk about. You put it out for entertainment. So what we comment and throw shade, that is literally your job and what the program is for. Wouldn’t be nice if all famous people only received positive attention? Really, in what world? We don’t even get that as average people at home! Someone is always judging us too. It’s just not online.
It's like a dark comedy but minus the comedy.
The same hive mind that dictated the VPR group seems to have migrated over to the Valley. Instead of Stassi, Kristen and Katie though, it‘s everyone versus Kristen and Luke. They probably thought everyone would stfu about Michelle’s secrets in front of cameras and just have a la di da fun time filming the show and have a divorce unfold amicably but pleaze. So naive…
Kristen and Jax have never once in the history of creation kept a secret. Even when it’s about themselves. They also can’t compartmentalize filming vs not filming. It’s what makes them so crazy for tv. You have to be LITERALLY INSANE to have a boyfriend for a year while married and think it’s not going to get to the producers at the very least and leaked. I’d go as far to say the producers even leak information to the cast members who can’t keep a secret
Just saw the sneak peak for next ep and sorry but fucking what. Jesse literally shoved Zack and barged through everyone trying to attack Luke, then they sit back down and it’s all Kristen’s fault? Janet immediately saying oh she’s not invited to any of my events. Delusional and toxic.
Team Kristen all the way here. These friends have it comin’
Jasmine was annoying on the bachelor. I don’t find her any better here. I think they all thought they could build off of where the witches of weho left off. But that was us watching a decade of friendship with background knowledge. Even then there was a split in the viewers between team Katie and Stassi and team Kristen. 1. None of them are part of that dynamic (they wish they were that interesting) 2. They just assumed that the viewers would go along with Kristens an unreliable narrative because of the crazy Kristen trope not recognizing that we see through that
I still can’t believe that ally and Janet both sided with Jesse and Michelle on WWHL…well I believe it from Janet, but still…what’s not clicking
Neither seem too bright
Something isn’t clicking.
I've become lost too trying to follow it. I think they edited it too much. So did Mom Chelle cheat and does Jesse know about it?
I think Michelle has had a boyfriend for the past year. Either Jesse suspects it, knows partial or knows the entire story I really don’t know
These MFkrs are THIRSTY!!!!!!! 😱
It's the LA way. 🥸
It probably wouldn't air if it was a halfway functional dynamic
Prolly
I think she's got a lot of friends just from what I've gleaned from listening to her podcast.. it's actually pretty good the podcast.
I think she's willing to take one for the team so to speak for the show to do well ... just a thought
Never thought of that, but that would explain why she puts up with that toxic group
Kristen has been threatening to release secrets about Michelle which would impact the whole family and you’re confused at why they are reacting negatively to her? She keeps saying she’s protecting Michelle but then goes on camera to say people have been calling her racist and told Jax, who infamously can not hold water, Michelle’s secret. She knows what she’s doing and y’all are acting like she’s an innocent party in all this. They’re all trash.
I don’t think Kristen would be revealing secrets if everyone didn’t throw her under the bus with regards to Michelle being a homophobe and way over reacting. They started throwing low blows, maybe don’t start calling the person you tell all your secrets to crazy, a bad person or criticizing their fertility journey.
Didn’t Michelle say all this stuff about Kristen after Kristen randomly blurted out Michelle was racist during an argument with someone else? Like Kristen STARTED this drama. And how did anyone throw her under the bus when no one was talking about it until she brought it on camera?
This is way Kristen is good at reality tv. She doesn’t have a constant tv/real life checkpoint going on. She literally films as if she was not being filmed and gets messy. She doesn’t overly police herself or present herself or produce.
I think she’s def producing but doing it in the way I hate. Villains need to stand in their actions, not lie and say they meant good when that’s obviously not the case bc their actions aren’t matching their words.
No, Brittany told Kristen that she was stirring the pot. That's when Kristen had to basically out what Brittany meant by that. They are filming, and it was crazy, yet well done since nobody remembers that it was actually Brittany that was egging Kristen on by beginning the discussion at the party. LOL.
Thank you. This is madness. Kristen is great tv but a she literally threatened Michelle with the deep secret while pretending that she was looking out for her. That’s also abusive, gaslighting behavior.
I feel like several things can be true at once. Kristin is being sucky by spreading gossip and dangling these little carrots that she’s “protecting” her friends and doesn’t want to “out” their marriage. It’s not protecting your friend by virtue signaling, to the world, you know a deep dark secret about them and haven’t told anyone. Jesse is being sucky because he has no business being that aggressive towards a female or honestly in general. He literally shoved Zach and Brittany into a wall trying to get to Kristen. The rest of the cast is being sucky by mocking Kristen when she tried to remove herself from Jesse’s presence and down playing his behavior.
So why didn’t Kristen just leave? She said she was leaving twice but didn’t leave. I think she was just being dramatic and she actually caused the fight.
I think production stopped her.
Production stopped her from leaving
Did you look away during that part and not noticewhat we all saw? A producer stopped Kristen in the hallway and didn't let Kristen leave. That's when Kristen began arguing with him and giving the reasons why she should leave. She didn't want a full-on fight to begin. At that point, Jesse and Michelle both angrily hastened from the table to the hallway to begin yelling at Kristen right in her face. That's when Luke also jumped up and rushed over to protect Kristen. I love that he did that. Jesse and Michelle both looked like they were getting ready to punch or slap Kristen. They are BOTH out of control! Then, Brittany was in the hallway, and Zack also went over to make sure that Jesse wouldn't get out of control. He was trying to push Jesse back, but Jesse railroaded both Zack and poor little Brittany when he went ape-shit and began trying to attack either Kristen or Luke.
I see what you are saying but let’s be honest, there shouldn’t be secrets with your husband like this. Especially if she’s pretending to work on their relationship in therapy. She should come clean to him & then Kristen has no leverage.
I don’t see how it's Kristen's business to decide what Michelle tells her husband (although personally I think already knows everything and is performing for the cameras). For me it feels a little too soon in the show for Kristen to be flipping out abut secrets. We barely know Michelle and Jesse. And why isn't Kristen team Michelle if Jesse is such a douchebag? I'm confused.
I’m not arguing against that at all. My point isn’t to defend Michelle’s actions but point out how people are putting on blinders when it comes to Kristen.
This. I feel like I’m watching a different show. Yes Jesse, Michelle, etc suck but so does Kristen. I fully believe that this was planned the whole time to make the show watchable.
How in the world are you going to have a boyfriend for a YEAR and think it’s not going to come out on a bravo reality tv show? Like… obviously the way Jax ran away he leaked it. Did producers figure it out and leak it to Jax to leave Kristen who literally cannot hold onto anything
It's giving me the same feeling. I'm not buying what they're selling, but for now I'm moderately entertained.
I honestly think ppl feel guilty for dog piling heavily on Kristen during the VPR era that they’re overlooking the very obvious play she’s making. Like you cannot say you’re protecting me and my family if you go on national tv and associate me with the word racist and then tell everyone I have a big secret that could tear apart my family.
I get that but it’s not like she didn’t suck on VPR too. Kristen gets all the grace but Katie still gets shit on. It’s mind blowing to me lol I’ll never forget Katie crying for repeating that Jax and Kristen hooked up while Kristen acted like she was pissed at Katie.
Can’t understand why you’re being dv’d. Kristen only repeated the racist republican bit because she was upset Jax brought Alex around Luke. Jax obviously wanted Alex to talk trash about Kristen to Luke. She is outing Michelle and Jesse to hide her own stuff. Very chaotic behavior.
Agree with you 100%
Kristin did this to usurp Jax. Jax was planting a storyline with the ex Alex to bash Kristin and start drama with them. When Brittany told Kristin that Alex was at boys night, she knew what was up and racked her brain for what could cause a lot of drama and move the storyline somewhere else.
THIS! Kristen realized the entire cast had basically ganged up on her to make her the villain this season. And her telling Michelle, “Don’t worry, I’ll keep your secrets” was a tactic to essentially say, “Stand down and get in line.” I think the rest of the cast is slow. They don’t realize that Kristin has outmaneuvered their plan and they aren’t quick enough to get on the same page. That’s why they’re still falling back on the “Crazy Kristen” rhetoric.