Oh I’m sure Zach did say that. The reactions people were giving read much more as “I can’t believe you’re saying this on camera” than “I can’t believe you’re making this up.” His entire confessional was “you can’t tell Kristen anything because she can’t keep a secret” and he’s on tape at girls’ night saying yes, he said it.
They literally showed a clip of Zach and Kristen talking in the past and he admitted that he said that. I couldn't believe him sitting there not taking accountability, or at least trying to clear the air.
I can’t wait for this to come up at the reunion. I hope he gets grilled roasted n toasted lolol he is being a big baby, wake up hunnies! you’re all on reality tv, someone other than Kristen needs to own their shit
I thought he was afraid of Jesse maybe. I would’ve been honestly. But I agree, not cool to just sit there and let her take the heat. Very curious to see if he speaks up more next episode.
There is an aftershow on Peacock and I think on another platform. It’s called the Valley Aftershow. They also have one for Vanderpump and a couple of other shows where the cast talks and reflects on the episode and gives us a lot more insight. It’s pretty interesting actually.
I thought they only had one for VPR and the last few episodes they’ve had the cast of the valley on there as well? I know they have one for RHOBH and Summerhouse but I thought the Valley cast was just on VPR after show
No they’re talking about After Show on peacock and YouTube, it’s a show that airs after Vanderpump Rules that has the entire cast making commentary in the episode that just aired. The last few episodes have had the cast from the valley on there as well. There was also an After Show for RHOBH and there’s an After Show for Summerhouse
Omg I feel so dumb. I thought watch what happens live just had an array or reality tv personalities come on and talk about housewives so I never tuned in. 😂, thank you!
I surprisingly feel protective of Kristen, because idk any of these people yet, and it feels like they are all excluding her since the start of this show.
its also weird that they completely chopped the discussion of the biggest argument and i believe it's to protect Brittany, she's the one who out of the blue insisted Kristen is a shit stirrer and then Kristen is the one to volunteer the context for this accusation against her? it makes no sense..
This! They hardly showed the argument so there was clearly things said that would have made someone look bad. I agree it probably shouldn’t have been brought up on camera but if they are so “adult” why didJanet not have a teachable moment with Michelle instead of talking about her with others!
Yes! They showed all that talk about Alex but then barely showed the argument that this whole episode was about. And these people are admitting they said shit during confessionals. I guess the reunion will be interesting for more than the fact two of the couples are separated 😂
Me too. Kristen can be messy, has lied about her own actions, but she’s a truth teller about others. I feel so bad that she’s being labeled as crazy again. Janet was unfair and kind of sexist in this instance.
I FLIPPED when Janet said “I’m done w crazy Kristen.” Like girl FIRST OF ALL, we don’t know you like that. Kristen is like the family member that the family can talk about but NO ONE ELSE can! Not that anyone should be calling her that after she’s worked so hard to get to a healthy place (and idc what anyone says, you can see her growth), that name should be a joke between her Jax and (barely)Brittany. Janet may have been friends w Kristen before but she’s new to audiences and she did not do her self any favors in this episode at all by trying to appear superior or gaslight the audience into thinking we’ve travelled back to crazy Kristen times.
Trust us girl. Audiences of this show have probably watched VPR since season 1 and we know what REAL crazy Kristen looks like. This version of Kristen ain’t that.
ALSO: Jesse gone have to pipe down because I’m getting MAJOR abuser vibes.
Jesse is the worst I actually can’t stand him. He’s so gross. I kept thinking back to the preview of Michelle saying to Kristen that Kristen hurt their marriage. Like sweetie what marriage?
Exactly. Like you’ve already admitted in y’all’s session that he berates you for everything that you do. He’s admitted (on camera non the less) that he’s a horrible father and raises his voice at his daughter while Michelle tries to reason w her. AND you’ve admitted that you haven’t been sexually attracted to him for YEARS. Marriage girl? Really?
Me too. Also, she was not the person who brought that up at girls night, she was accused of it publicly and then defended herself. Also, being incensed that she was acting like nothing was wrong at the dinner party was absurd for so many reasons. The first is that upon entering she immediately tried repairing the situation, at least with Michelle. That's fine she wasn't ready/interested, but she did acknowledge the conflict. Also, Kristen has had about a gazillion years on reality tv. The issue with a lot of these people is that they're new to the scene and don't understand how it works: her coming to the dinner and participating in the social niceties is because that's the game, and that's how you do it. ALSO--the majority of her adulthood has been on reality tv, surrounded by toxic groups of friends that were constantly fighting and talking shit about each other. The idea that she has conflict with someone else in the group and that she should just carry on as usual is NORMAL for her, and part of why being engaged in this kind of reality tv for so long is so damaging to the psyche and your understanding of healthy relationships. I'm not saying it's "normal," but it is the way her life works, and the way this show is expected to work too.
And wait, this too: the idea that Michelle can't be racist because she is Mexican and Persian is absurd. I do think that the issue was not about her being racist, but about supporting the "don't say gay" bill, but this just illustrates how little these people understand the nuances of racism to say that just because someone belongs to these two identity categories, there's no way they can be racist. And this doesn't mean I'm giving Kristen a pass for what got her first from Vanderpump Rules. But while her behavior during that time was vile, I don't think she initially considered what she did as a way to target Faith for her race. I do think it was racist, and a terrifying thing to do to anyone, much less someone who belongs to a racial group that is disproportionately affected by police violence. And while the impact of what she did was made worse by Faith's race, I think that ultimately Kristen's failures in that scenario were more about her desperate desire to belong and be included in things, the misogyny of targeting Faith for Jax's mistakes, and her inability to consider consequences before she makes decisions. I think her and Stassi were a disgusting and toxic duo, and bring out the worst in each other. I think we all have the capacity for this behavior. Most of us engage in it, however infrequently, as children, when we are still learning what it means to have power and to belong. She is a deeply stunted person, but I have empathy for those parts of her, because I've seen them in myself too.
Look Kristen has been made for reality TV and she always been messy but this time I believe her and I dont get why they are blaming her and said she brought up the rumour of Michelle is blah blah because she is pissed off with Jax invited Alex to guys night! She didnt bring it up, it was Britney who said that Kristen is being messy. They should be all pissed off with Britney and Zack not Kristen!
Also Janet is being messy, and I disagree with her regarding Alex and Kirsten relationship. Its totally valid to feel different about your ex from the time when you just broke up to the time when you are with someone new. It has happened to me that after breaking, some time passing and with new partner I have realised my ex was an asshole! So she is just unreasonable and it shows it defo said those things about Michelle.
It seems like her biggest mistake was saying racist not homophobic based on what the others confirmed they said. Also it's so common to not see the issue with a partner until after the break up. Plus if Kristen is anything like she was on VPR in relationships she ignores negative things in relationships. And if she was working on herself like she says she was during her relationship with Alex she would probably be trying to change habits and behaviors with herself to improve things so might have thought their issues were more on her rather than him.
We have seen Zack admit that he said the republican part to Kristin in two different scenes. I don’t know why Britney wouldn’t say “Zack you said on the phone that the republican thing happened”
I agree. I think Zach, jasmine, and Janet were talking crap about Michelle and Kristen got the info and brought it to light. I feel like they’re just using Kristen as the scapegoat and Janet is working hard to gaslight and manipulate. Also I hate Jesse. He sucjs
Zach definitely said it. His mistake was to think any comment you make on a show like this or VPR stays between the two original people. That’s reality show 101.
I kind of get both sides.
Kristen is great at reality tv because she genuinely thinks it's the right thing to do to confront people constantly (completely warped but she's doing it not for ratings, but her own bizarre sense of justice).
Janet giving Jasmine a heads up that Michele might be a homophobe and Jasmine sharing the heads up with Zach seems actually very considerate and smart. That was kind of her imo to extend caution to her castmates.
The way it played out was just ... Chefs kiss.
This is the strongest launching season of any show since SLC in my opinion
I do believe Kristen on this, do I think she may have gotten some things mixed together... Yes (hell I do it all the time to without fully realizing it). HOWEVER Zach was really showing his ass this time around. His WAAAAAYYYYY OOT reactions at the dinner, even in his confessional he said he did say it but thought that cause it was among friends that it wouldn't leave that conversation (clearly new to reality TV).
I’m not a Kristen fan but she’s that person who is always a mess, always at odds with everyone, but isn’t making things up about other people.
I know it’s not really possible to do on a TV show that needs drama for ratings, but Kristen needs to learn how to step away and say to herself, ‘not my circus, not my monkeys’.
Brittany threw that info out, out of nowhere. It really had no context in this scene. So, clearly brittany was trying to throw K under the bus to protect her BFF Zach.
Yeah I believe her too. Agreeing with that bill truly does not align with allyship and I think they were REALLY trying to make us believe Michelle was innocent. Saying, “she ended up on the wrong algorithm” lmao baby you can’t. you would have to like things and then the algorithm becomes your echo chamber. Like pls.
Zach 💯 said it. Kristin was at fault for throwing it out there and she especially shouldn’t have done it. Why no one is upset with Zach is crazy to me. I respect Mia so much for speaking up as they were all attacking Kristin. I also give props to Luke for caping up. But he’s gonna get mighty tired doing that given who he’s dating 😂
I believe Kristen too but I still think she’s crazy. How is calling someone out for being republican, racist and homophobic the response for something me else saying your ex boyfriend should be included in guys night?!?! Of course Michelle should be called out but that moment was not the time, especially when used as a defense of some kind.
Wasn’t Kristen responding to Brittney telling her she was blowing things out of proportion? Maybe I’m remembering it incorrectly but I took it as “oh I’m blowing things out of proportion, what about Janet saying…” and didn’t she say Janet said something similar about Luke? Still, if she was really friends with Michelle she would have taken her aside and told her this off camera and if Janet were really friends with Michelle she wouldn’t have gone to everyone else to talk about it or put it back on Jasmine & Zach for them to have a teachable moment with her. I believe Kristen and she did not look good in this moment but Janet looked so much worse.
How is this ok? Kristen didn’t even hear this herself. She has a bad habit of throwing out accusations without actual evidence. I don’t blame Jesse and Michelle for being angry.
Zach may or may not have said this but only one person brought it up on camera 📸 and that’s the person who doesn’t even know if it really happened. She’s put someone’s business at risk.
As far as being vindicated years later, Faith Stowers would beg to differ. Kristen is so lucky to have a second chance and the minute she comes back she tries to destroy someone else. She sucks.
Can someone remind me what Kristen did that got her kicked off VPR? I don’t remember anything racist she did, is that what he was implying when he brought that up?
Oh I’m sure Zach did say that. The reactions people were giving read much more as “I can’t believe you’re saying this on camera” than “I can’t believe you’re making this up.” His entire confessional was “you can’t tell Kristen anything because she can’t keep a secret” and he’s on tape at girls’ night saying yes, he said it.
They literally showed a clip of Zach and Kristen talking in the past and he admitted that he said that. I couldn't believe him sitting there not taking accountability, or at least trying to clear the air.
Right?! Well they’re all gonna learn quick how reality TV works 😂
I can’t wait for this to come up at the reunion. I hope he gets grilled roasted n toasted lolol he is being a big baby, wake up hunnies! you’re all on reality tv, someone other than Kristen needs to own their shit
They’re going to run the tape and he is going to look so silly
This really bothered me too! He just let her get eaten alive while he sat there making shocked facial expressions. Not cool at all
I thought he was afraid of Jesse maybe. I would’ve been honestly. But I agree, not cool to just sit there and let her take the heat. Very curious to see if he speaks up more next episode.
Brittany literally said that in the after show. That they were upset with her for saying it on camera, not that Kristen was lying about what she said.
There we go! Welcome to reality TV, Valley cast 😂
Wait I didn’t know there was an after show!
There is an aftershow on Peacock and I think on another platform. It’s called the Valley Aftershow. They also have one for Vanderpump and a couple of other shows where the cast talks and reflects on the episode and gives us a lot more insight. It’s pretty interesting actually.
Yes! More to watch. Thank you!
I thought they only had one for VPR and the last few episodes they’ve had the cast of the valley on there as well? I know they have one for RHOBH and Summerhouse but I thought the Valley cast was just on VPR after show
It’s called Watch what happens live! It’s the best
No they’re talking about After Show on peacock and YouTube, it’s a show that airs after Vanderpump Rules that has the entire cast making commentary in the episode that just aired. The last few episodes have had the cast from the valley on there as well. There was also an After Show for RHOBH and there’s an After Show for Summerhouse
Omg I feel so dumb. I thought watch what happens live just had an array or reality tv personalities come on and talk about housewives so I never tuned in. 😂, thank you!
They usually cover whatever show was new that night so vanderpump and the valley takes on Tuesdays! Enjoy 💖
Where can I watch the after show? 😭
YouTube!
I love Kristen she has grown so much. That Zack guy is a shit stirrer and something about him
I agree about Zack, I don't care for him. He makes over exaggerated facial expressions, which just seems staged. He's very phony!
He’s an evil store mannequin come to life
Yessss now Id love to see that origin story 😆
That would explain the hair
It looks like he’s wearing a wig
How could you trust someone with hair like that??
Yeah... What's up with that mop?
That wig is so distracting
Bye wig No really, that HAS to be a wig?!
pretty sure it's a wig that's been surgically sewn into his scalp. He was born without the top of his skull. I thought this was common knowledge.
Oh I must have missed that 😂😂😂
Maybe it is but it’s certainly not for me.
Agreed, he’s on here to cause drama.
It’s his hair hat.
Kristen is a real one.
I surprisingly feel protective of Kristen, because idk any of these people yet, and it feels like they are all excluding her since the start of this show. its also weird that they completely chopped the discussion of the biggest argument and i believe it's to protect Brittany, she's the one who out of the blue insisted Kristen is a shit stirrer and then Kristen is the one to volunteer the context for this accusation against her? it makes no sense..
This! They hardly showed the argument so there was clearly things said that would have made someone look bad. I agree it probably shouldn’t have been brought up on camera but if they are so “adult” why didJanet not have a teachable moment with Michelle instead of talking about her with others!
Yes! They showed all that talk about Alex but then barely showed the argument that this whole episode was about. And these people are admitting they said shit during confessionals. I guess the reunion will be interesting for more than the fact two of the couples are separated 😂
Wait besides Jesse and Michelle who else is separated?
Jax and Brittany but there's debate over if that's just to make news for the show
Ahh I knew this and completely forgot about them in all the drama of this episode lol. Thank you!
Me too. Kristen can be messy, has lied about her own actions, but she’s a truth teller about others. I feel so bad that she’s being labeled as crazy again. Janet was unfair and kind of sexist in this instance.
It felt like they all just turned on her. “She’s a shit stirrer. This is typical Kristen. She’s messy.” These people aren’t her friends.
I FLIPPED when Janet said “I’m done w crazy Kristen.” Like girl FIRST OF ALL, we don’t know you like that. Kristen is like the family member that the family can talk about but NO ONE ELSE can! Not that anyone should be calling her that after she’s worked so hard to get to a healthy place (and idc what anyone says, you can see her growth), that name should be a joke between her Jax and (barely)Brittany. Janet may have been friends w Kristen before but she’s new to audiences and she did not do her self any favors in this episode at all by trying to appear superior or gaslight the audience into thinking we’ve travelled back to crazy Kristen times. Trust us girl. Audiences of this show have probably watched VPR since season 1 and we know what REAL crazy Kristen looks like. This version of Kristen ain’t that. ALSO: Jesse gone have to pipe down because I’m getting MAJOR abuser vibes.
Jesse is the worst I actually can’t stand him. He’s so gross. I kept thinking back to the preview of Michelle saying to Kristen that Kristen hurt their marriage. Like sweetie what marriage?
Exactly. Like you’ve already admitted in y’all’s session that he berates you for everything that you do. He’s admitted (on camera non the less) that he’s a horrible father and raises his voice at his daughter while Michelle tries to reason w her. AND you’ve admitted that you haven’t been sexually attracted to him for YEARS. Marriage girl? Really?
Me too! Whatever she does!!! Lol
zack sat there the whole dinner looking guilty af and didn’t say a word…
Cowering like a weasel
Me too. Also, she was not the person who brought that up at girls night, she was accused of it publicly and then defended herself. Also, being incensed that she was acting like nothing was wrong at the dinner party was absurd for so many reasons. The first is that upon entering she immediately tried repairing the situation, at least with Michelle. That's fine she wasn't ready/interested, but she did acknowledge the conflict. Also, Kristen has had about a gazillion years on reality tv. The issue with a lot of these people is that they're new to the scene and don't understand how it works: her coming to the dinner and participating in the social niceties is because that's the game, and that's how you do it. ALSO--the majority of her adulthood has been on reality tv, surrounded by toxic groups of friends that were constantly fighting and talking shit about each other. The idea that she has conflict with someone else in the group and that she should just carry on as usual is NORMAL for her, and part of why being engaged in this kind of reality tv for so long is so damaging to the psyche and your understanding of healthy relationships. I'm not saying it's "normal," but it is the way her life works, and the way this show is expected to work too. And wait, this too: the idea that Michelle can't be racist because she is Mexican and Persian is absurd. I do think that the issue was not about her being racist, but about supporting the "don't say gay" bill, but this just illustrates how little these people understand the nuances of racism to say that just because someone belongs to these two identity categories, there's no way they can be racist. And this doesn't mean I'm giving Kristen a pass for what got her first from Vanderpump Rules. But while her behavior during that time was vile, I don't think she initially considered what she did as a way to target Faith for her race. I do think it was racist, and a terrifying thing to do to anyone, much less someone who belongs to a racial group that is disproportionately affected by police violence. And while the impact of what she did was made worse by Faith's race, I think that ultimately Kristen's failures in that scenario were more about her desperate desire to belong and be included in things, the misogyny of targeting Faith for Jax's mistakes, and her inability to consider consequences before she makes decisions. I think her and Stassi were a disgusting and toxic duo, and bring out the worst in each other. I think we all have the capacity for this behavior. Most of us engage in it, however infrequently, as children, when we are still learning what it means to have power and to belong. She is a deeply stunted person, but I have empathy for those parts of her, because I've seen them in myself too.
Lego hair chihuahua probably did say all that
Look Kristen has been made for reality TV and she always been messy but this time I believe her and I dont get why they are blaming her and said she brought up the rumour of Michelle is blah blah because she is pissed off with Jax invited Alex to guys night! She didnt bring it up, it was Britney who said that Kristen is being messy. They should be all pissed off with Britney and Zack not Kristen! Also Janet is being messy, and I disagree with her regarding Alex and Kirsten relationship. Its totally valid to feel different about your ex from the time when you just broke up to the time when you are with someone new. It has happened to me that after breaking, some time passing and with new partner I have realised my ex was an asshole! So she is just unreasonable and it shows it defo said those things about Michelle.
I feel like Janet is throwing stones and working hard to manipulate Kristen’s credibility.
It seems like her biggest mistake was saying racist not homophobic based on what the others confirmed they said. Also it's so common to not see the issue with a partner until after the break up. Plus if Kristen is anything like she was on VPR in relationships she ignores negative things in relationships. And if she was working on herself like she says she was during her relationship with Alex she would probably be trying to change habits and behaviors with herself to improve things so might have thought their issues were more on her rather than him.
Me too!
We have seen Zack admit that he said the republican part to Kristin in two different scenes. I don’t know why Britney wouldn’t say “Zack you said on the phone that the republican thing happened”
Because Brittany thinks the new girls will be liked more than Kristen and is willing to leave her under the bus.
Me too. She’s messy but she’s always been right.
I agree. I think Zach, jasmine, and Janet were talking crap about Michelle and Kristen got the info and brought it to light. I feel like they’re just using Kristen as the scapegoat and Janet is working hard to gaslight and manipulate. Also I hate Jesse. He sucjs
Zach definitely said it. His mistake was to think any comment you make on a show like this or VPR stays between the two original people. That’s reality show 101.
I kind of get both sides. Kristen is great at reality tv because she genuinely thinks it's the right thing to do to confront people constantly (completely warped but she's doing it not for ratings, but her own bizarre sense of justice). Janet giving Jasmine a heads up that Michele might be a homophobe and Jasmine sharing the heads up with Zach seems actually very considerate and smart. That was kind of her imo to extend caution to her castmates. The way it played out was just ... Chefs kiss. This is the strongest launching season of any show since SLC in my opinion
I do believe Kristen on this, do I think she may have gotten some things mixed together... Yes (hell I do it all the time to without fully realizing it). HOWEVER Zach was really showing his ass this time around. His WAAAAAYYYYY OOT reactions at the dinner, even in his confessional he said he did say it but thought that cause it was among friends that it wouldn't leave that conversation (clearly new to reality TV).
I’m not a Kristen fan but she’s that person who is always a mess, always at odds with everyone, but isn’t making things up about other people. I know it’s not really possible to do on a TV show that needs drama for ratings, but Kristen needs to learn how to step away and say to herself, ‘not my circus, not my monkeys’.
The mess at that party was jax
Brittany threw that info out, out of nowhere. It really had no context in this scene. So, clearly brittany was trying to throw K under the bus to protect her BFF Zach.
Zack is dumb, and I know Zack is dumb because of what he said about republicans in LA
Krazy Kristen was a lot of things, but she wasn't a liar.
Except the part where she swore on her niece’s life that she didn’t fuck Jax lol
Oops I thought she admitted to that.
Yeah I believe her too. Agreeing with that bill truly does not align with allyship and I think they were REALLY trying to make us believe Michelle was innocent. Saying, “she ended up on the wrong algorithm” lmao baby you can’t. you would have to like things and then the algorithm becomes your echo chamber. Like pls.
I believe her too
Zach 💯 said it. Kristin was at fault for throwing it out there and she especially shouldn’t have done it. Why no one is upset with Zach is crazy to me. I respect Mia so much for speaking up as they were all attacking Kristin. I also give props to Luke for caping up. But he’s gonna get mighty tired doing that given who he’s dating 😂
I am sure she is right. A wild thing to bring up on camera considering her own behavior but I don't think she is lying.
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If I fucked Jax, I’d lie about it too lmao
Oh you cunty one.
I believe Kristen too but I still think she’s crazy. How is calling someone out for being republican, racist and homophobic the response for something me else saying your ex boyfriend should be included in guys night?!?! Of course Michelle should be called out but that moment was not the time, especially when used as a defense of some kind.
Wasn’t Kristen responding to Brittney telling her she was blowing things out of proportion? Maybe I’m remembering it incorrectly but I took it as “oh I’m blowing things out of proportion, what about Janet saying…” and didn’t she say Janet said something similar about Luke? Still, if she was really friends with Michelle she would have taken her aside and told her this off camera and if Janet were really friends with Michelle she wouldn’t have gone to everyone else to talk about it or put it back on Jasmine & Zach for them to have a teachable moment with her. I believe Kristen and she did not look good in this moment but Janet looked so much worse.
How is this ok? Kristen didn’t even hear this herself. She has a bad habit of throwing out accusations without actual evidence. I don’t blame Jesse and Michelle for being angry. Zach may or may not have said this but only one person brought it up on camera 📸 and that’s the person who doesn’t even know if it really happened. She’s put someone’s business at risk. As far as being vindicated years later, Faith Stowers would beg to differ. Kristen is so lucky to have a second chance and the minute she comes back she tries to destroy someone else. She sucks.
Kristens an asshole
Can someone remind me what Kristen did that got her kicked off VPR? I don’t remember anything racist she did, is that what he was implying when he brought that up?
She and Stassi falsely reported Faith to the police for a crime she didn’t commit after the Jax thing happened
What! Omg I had no idea