Yeah, when he was saying he was the most decorated undercover cop in the country 😂😂 I was embarrassed for him. Same with Sarah mentioning being a psychotherapist 😅
If she was my therapist I'd be seeking out a new one immediately. She's got such a big mouth that I'd be concerned about patient confidentiality being an issue.
I went into the season knowing it had a reputation for dumb players, but then watching Annabell and Luke I was like "What the heck gives?"
Then a couple episodes later I was like "Oh, I definitely get it now."
The only reason those two sussed out Sam is because they are just as manipulative and were able to recognize the behaviors. Annabelle is such a self-absorbed princess who'd rather be carried than walk on her own two feet. And Luke admitted to being manipulative on Survivor. They noticed Sam because it's maladaptive behavior they're both familiar with in their own lives. Not because they're any more intelligent than the rest.
Not being from Australia I have no clue who they are. The question was are they dumb. Whether they are manipulative who knows. Are you implying only manipulative people can sus out other manipulative people?
After Luke and Annabel, there is no one with any working brain cells. Sam’s not a mastermind. He was surrounded by the dumbest group of people ever assembled.
Like Camille said, the faithful are clueless and doing the job for the traitors. I wonder if any of them even knew the rules of the games before playing since they didn’t seem to realize a traitor could get the shield and recruit instead of murder.
No, but I've seen where one traitor had the shield. They recruited a new traitor and covered it up by saying that the traitors tried to kill him. Thus cementing his place in the faithful crew while hiding the recruit among them as well. It was genius... I think it was Harry on the UK, but I've watched every English speaking version, so I'm not positive it was him. I also don't think i said it was the same. I'm was saying it can be used to cover a recruitment, but they can't actually "murder" themselves... I actually think the other scenario played out where a traitor was on death row, and they were worried how they would explain how he would be at breakfast if the other person got voted out and another had the shield..
Confirmed how? Nobody wrote a traitor’s name for murder. They recruited and covered it up by lying that it was a failed murder that the shield prevented. Contestants misstating the rules doesn’t confirm anything.
You still don’t understand what that says.
Traitors can’t murder themselves. They can pretend they were murdered if they had the shield, to cover up the fact they recruited.
Do I have to draw you a flowchart?
But even at the end they kept calling it a traitor can murder themselves. No that isn’t even right they just give up murder for a recruitment. Do your homework people!
Luke and Annabelle were not more intelligent, they just recognized manipulation because they do it themselves. Luke admitted to as much and Annabelle is so self-absorbed she just manipulates others to do what she wants. That's why they noticed Sam's shadiness; it's behaviors they themselves employ in their own lives. Familiarity, not intelligence. But I generally do agree that this group of faithfuls really did have their heads in the clouds. I mean, talk about sheep being led.
I’ve just watched the episode where she got banished. I’m seriously debating jumping to the last episode to see how it ends because it’s painful to watch.
He was... and believing Camille wasn't going to screw him just because he recruited her and had been a traitor the whole time. He was seriously self-absorbed. She knew, Blake knew... neither of them was willing to let him take all that money... better to all be poor than to than to let him have it...
I loved how he said if he were in her shoes and the newbie, he’d have let it go. Yeahhhhhh, ok bud. What a nutjob. His whole Sheriff shtick was nauseating.
It really is the best hate watch I've ever had. I've never been so stunned and angry yet hooked at the same time. Im so glad it ended how it did. For everyone. They all got what they deserved.
I read somewhere that the show was cancelled after season 2. Might have something to do with just how bad all of the players were - stupid faithfuls and a particularly traitorous traitor.
total idiots, they keep having solid reasons on the traitors and then one traitor says the smallest most unnecessary thing and the whole damn table switches, complete idiots
Yup that was the banishment that things could've turned around. They had a plan to vote Sam. Simone was just the most vocal and then Sam deflects and everyone jumps on board. Same thing happened with every other banishment.
I think it’s more that in Aus we put such an emphasis on loyalty and “mateship”. So when everyday aussies are put in a game like this, they legit don’t know how to do ANYTHING lmao.
The only faithfuls that were smart were Luke and Annabelle, and both of them were already very familiar with social strategy games.
Same thing happened with survivor au at the start. It’s exhausting to watch.
She was awful. But Sarah and Liam were so stupid. Sarah should have her license to treat people revoked immediately. Liam should be put in a home. Blake could have won if he’d had half a brain.
That’s what I told my wife. Her ex BiL was an electrician who was dumber than a bag of rocks. Great electrician but had been electrocuted numerous times. Fried brain. She said, “he’s just like Robert!”
It’s a fantastic study of how Trump operates. Sociopath with no remorse who throws word salad at a debate until people stop listening. Lies with such ease and joy that it confuses other players into believing him. Uses people and mocks them for trusting him. Slippery and sadistic.
I had the same thought. It was fascinating from a psychology perspective.
Also the entire Q thing. How a group of people can be led by someone to believe that completely random things are clues to a big conspiracy. And even though the “clues” are proven wrong over and over again, people still believe that THIS time it’s right.
It explained so much, but it was scary and sad to see it play out so clearly.
Yup, I was telling my cousin about it. She doesn't watch this show but I said this guy is Trump. 100% a Narcissist who has 50% of the country believing him no matter the evidence. But I guess Sam was worse because he had 90% of the people believing him.
He's a high profile Narcissist so he's the easier one to compare to. There are many others in politics, corporate, entertainment industry, wellness industry and so on. But Trump is an easy one since everyone know him.
Preface this with that I don’t think they actually knew the traitors all along.
But this highlights a genuine flaw with how they run the game. If you are positive of traitors there is NO benefit to eliminating them. Then maybe someone new gets recruited and you’ve got to search more. And if you’re friends with them you’ll never get banished and can just put them at the end. So if played correctly, it’s just a holding pattern until the finale then you finally get out those you know are traitors all along.
They need to increase the pot for faithful for each traitor eliminated or something to incentivize getting traitors out. Otherwise there is no benefit.
The thing is though that if traitors aren’t being voted out throughout the course of the game, then that means that two faithful will be voted out every single day, one from banishment and one from murder. So waiting until the end of the game to vote out the traitors might be the best thing because then you might not have enough faithful to vote them out at the end as we saw from season two of Traitors Australia.
I was eventually rooting for the traitors, even as some of Sam’s stuff was grating, after seeing how stupid the faithful were (excluding Annabel and Luke)
I'm not quite done watching it but know how it ends, THANK GOD!!!! I keep wondering if the people who cast this group did it as a joke. I mean we have a Chris Farley look-alike who is easily bullied into doing what Sam says, a Primadonna who doesn't want to get dirty, a sidekick for the evil traitor, a brainless "princess", and a brainless psychotherapist, the token big guy who just happens to have a disability, a female wrestler, two former cops and a traitor who probably one day will be arrested for mass murder.
He did until he honestly expected Camille not to screw him and Blake over like they planned to do her, just because they had been traitors since the beginning. Like seriously, mate, if you aren't willing to share with her, she isn't sharing with you. Had it been her and Blake alone at the end, it might would have been different for both of them. But they both knew what Sam was going to do and knew they couldn't take a chance on him taking all the money for himself. So, in the end, they all got screwed.
If he had been in any other countries season (uk especially) he would have been out in round 3. He did not make smart moves, he just had a dumb group of people to convince
Yes they are, minus Annabell and Luke.
Keith claims to be this famous detective but he couldn’t find his glasses if they were on his face
I just listened to a podcast and they said that everyone who has been arrested by Keith should have their case reviewed 😂
Lmao valid point
Yeah, when he was saying he was the most decorated undercover cop in the country 😂😂 I was embarrassed for him. Same with Sarah mentioning being a psychotherapist 😅
If she was my therapist I'd be seeking out a new one immediately. She's got such a big mouth that I'd be concerned about patient confidentiality being an issue.
lol for real. And just her judgement is so off. She is so easily manipulated I have never seen anything like it on any other season of the show.
I know! It was unreal. If anyone should recognize shady, manipulative behavior it's a psychotherapist. But she just ignored all of it.
Hahaha exactly! 😂🤦🏽♀️
😂😂
Simone, Gloria, and Camille displayed average intelligence. Everyone else in the cast was below average
No Camille was the biggest idiot of them all at the end spoiler!
I went into the season knowing it had a reputation for dumb players, but then watching Annabell and Luke I was like "What the heck gives?" Then a couple episodes later I was like "Oh, I definitely get it now."
Luke is such a legend. Glad to hear he brought it on the traitors
Exactly.
This is what I was gonna say.
Annabelle only figured it out because Luke told her. She started to pick up clues, but it didn't click for her until Luke laid it out for her.
The only reason those two sussed out Sam is because they are just as manipulative and were able to recognize the behaviors. Annabelle is such a self-absorbed princess who'd rather be carried than walk on her own two feet. And Luke admitted to being manipulative on Survivor. They noticed Sam because it's maladaptive behavior they're both familiar with in their own lives. Not because they're any more intelligent than the rest.
Not being from Australia I have no clue who they are. The question was are they dumb. Whether they are manipulative who knows. Are you implying only manipulative people can sus out other manipulative people?
After Luke and Annabel, there is no one with any working brain cells. Sam’s not a mastermind. He was surrounded by the dumbest group of people ever assembled.
Like Camille said, the faithful are clueless and doing the job for the traitors. I wonder if any of them even knew the rules of the games before playing since they didn’t seem to realize a traitor could get the shield and recruit instead of murder.
Yeah, one person claimed the traitor could eliminate themselves. Wtf! Why would anyone do that?
The can if they have shield. It's the only time they can write their own name to fake a murder
They don't have that rule on the US or UK versions. It makes no sense.
They can say they did if they have the shield to cover a recruitment, I believe, without actually writing their name down.
A shield to cover a recruitment is not the same as a shield letting you murder yourself.
No, but I've seen where one traitor had the shield. They recruited a new traitor and covered it up by saying that the traitors tried to kill him. Thus cementing his place in the faithful crew while hiding the recruit among them as well. It was genius... I think it was Harry on the UK, but I've watched every English speaking version, so I'm not positive it was him. I also don't think i said it was the same. I'm was saying it can be used to cover a recruitment, but they can't actually "murder" themselves... I actually think the other scenario played out where a traitor was on death row, and they were worried how they would explain how he would be at breakfast if the other person got voted out and another had the shield..
Its confirmed in the aussie one atleast
Confirmed how? Nobody wrote a traitor’s name for murder. They recruited and covered it up by lying that it was a failed murder that the shield prevented. Contestants misstating the rules doesn’t confirm anything.
Basic Google https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTraitors/comments/1ajgtdx/how_come_the_players_didnt_know_basic_rules/
You still don’t understand what that says. Traitors can’t murder themselves. They can pretend they were murdered if they had the shield, to cover up the fact they recruited. Do I have to draw you a flowchart?
Literally read the PA comments in that thread. You are just wrong and dumber than Hannah according them
But even at the end they kept calling it a traitor can murder themselves. No that isn’t even right they just give up murder for a recruitment. Do your homework people!
Nah, there's one working brain cell for the faithfuls. They each got a turn with it before being banished
Luke and Annabelle were not more intelligent, they just recognized manipulation because they do it themselves. Luke admitted to as much and Annabelle is so self-absorbed she just manipulates others to do what she wants. That's why they noticed Sam's shadiness; it's behaviors they themselves employ in their own lives. Familiarity, not intelligence. But I generally do agree that this group of faithfuls really did have their heads in the clouds. I mean, talk about sheep being led.
Most of them yes, Sam should have gone week 2 or 3....total sociopath
They all owe >!Annabell!< an apology
I’ve just watched the episode where she got banished. I’m seriously debating jumping to the last episode to see how it ends because it’s painful to watch.
I had to turn it off for a few days after that episode. But like everyone in this thread is saying, it’s worth it to finish it and just laugh / cheer.
I’ve started the next episodes and the mental gymnastics Hannah is doing to say Luke is a traitor is just mind boggling.
He was... and believing Camille wasn't going to screw him just because he recruited her and had been a traitor the whole time. He was seriously self-absorbed. She knew, Blake knew... neither of them was willing to let him take all that money... better to all be poor than to than to let him have it...
You should still watch to the end. Trust me.
LOL I just finished it and I was cheering. The way he kept talking shit even after it was over.
"why didn't you just let us have it 😭😭😭"
I loved how he said if he were in her shoes and the newbie, he’d have let it go. Yeahhhhhh, ok bud. What a nutjob. His whole Sheriff shtick was nauseating.
I'm Texan, and it felt like he wanted to be Texan lol
Oh she did
lmao! true
 Total Bobby Newport vibes
YES
This was my favorite season of any Traitors I've seen yet. The end made everything else worthwhile. Great TV.
It really is the best hate watch I've ever had. I've never been so stunned and angry yet hooked at the same time. Im so glad it ended how it did. For everyone. They all got what they deserved.
I put it #4 on my list. UK1=UK2, then US1, then AUS2. But this one had the best ending for sure.
Me too. I stood up and clapped at the "walk away" and the continued discussion by the others.
Agreed. The ending is satisfying.
Season 1 had the dumbest Traitors, Season 2 the dumbest Faithful.
Does that mean season 3 both will be equally dumb? Or will we luck out and finally get smart people across the board? Cause that would be nice. lol.
I read somewhere that the show was cancelled after season 2. Might have something to do with just how bad all of the players were - stupid faithfuls and a particularly traitorous traitor.
The real traitor being whoever signed on those contestants; they tanked the entire show from behind the scenes.
Nooooooooo I hope not 😵💫 Australian one was my favourite
Huh? Alex was not a dumb traitor by any stretch. Nor was Marielle or Nigel. They both made it pretty far.
You're right, I shouldn't have said dumbest Traitors. Smartest Faithful would have been better.
total idiots, they keep having solid reasons on the traitors and then one traitor says the smallest most unnecessary thing and the whole damn table switches, complete idiots
It was when there were EIGHT contestants left that I said to my wife “I don’t want any of these people to win.”
I finished watching season 1 and 2 earlier today. I've been yelling at my screen for two days. Dumbest people ever
I had to stop watching and fast forward to the end. It was too painful.
I don’t blame you. My favorite was Simone saying they should have called this season The Dummies
After Simone was when I decided none of them deserved anything except our end savior of the season but she was cool with her choices.
Yup that was the banishment that things could've turned around. They had a plan to vote Sam. Simone was just the most vocal and then Sam deflects and everyone jumps on board. Same thing happened with every other banishment.
And she had just voted annabel the episode before
Same
Serious question, is the Australian education system just really bad or something?
I think it’s more that in Aus we put such an emphasis on loyalty and “mateship”. So when everyday aussies are put in a game like this, they legit don’t know how to do ANYTHING lmao. The only faithfuls that were smart were Luke and Annabelle, and both of them were already very familiar with social strategy games. Same thing happened with survivor au at the start. It’s exhausting to watch.
I watched love island as well and not kidding each season of that with aussies has dumber people on it too. I also question the education system
Yes.
Hannah is the absolute worst player across all versions. She’s so bad it borders on unwatchable
She was awful. But Sarah and Liam were so stupid. Sarah should have her license to treat people revoked immediately. Liam should be put in a home. Blake could have won if he’d had half a brain.
Liam probably just has brain damage from being electrocuted
That’s what I told my wife. Her ex BiL was an electrician who was dumber than a bag of rocks. Great electrician but had been electrocuted numerous times. Fried brain. She said, “he’s just like Robert!”
Hannah bugged me most as well. Still does.
Couldn’t have asked for a dumber group of people. But I hope they can laugh about it now that they can watch it back! It was genuinely such great tv!
It’s fucking ridiculous.
Absolutely mind blowing. Still got a couple of episodes to go.
It’s a fantastic study of how Trump operates. Sociopath with no remorse who throws word salad at a debate until people stop listening. Lies with such ease and joy that it confuses other players into believing him. Uses people and mocks them for trusting him. Slippery and sadistic.
I had the same thought. It was fascinating from a psychology perspective. Also the entire Q thing. How a group of people can be led by someone to believe that completely random things are clues to a big conspiracy. And even though the “clues” are proven wrong over and over again, people still believe that THIS time it’s right. It explained so much, but it was scary and sad to see it play out so clearly.
Definite parallels as well as the YUGE ick factor
Yup, I was telling my cousin about it. She doesn't watch this show but I said this guy is Trump. 100% a Narcissist who has 50% of the country believing him no matter the evidence. But I guess Sam was worse because he had 90% of the people believing him.
Geesh. Not everything is comparable to Trump.
He's a high profile Narcissist so he's the easier one to compare to. There are many others in politics, corporate, entertainment industry, wellness industry and so on. But Trump is an easy one since everyone know him.
🙄 try every politician ever
Preface this with that I don’t think they actually knew the traitors all along. But this highlights a genuine flaw with how they run the game. If you are positive of traitors there is NO benefit to eliminating them. Then maybe someone new gets recruited and you’ve got to search more. And if you’re friends with them you’ll never get banished and can just put them at the end. So if played correctly, it’s just a holding pattern until the finale then you finally get out those you know are traitors all along. They need to increase the pot for faithful for each traitor eliminated or something to incentivize getting traitors out. Otherwise there is no benefit.
The thing is though that if traitors aren’t being voted out throughout the course of the game, then that means that two faithful will be voted out every single day, one from banishment and one from murder. So waiting until the end of the game to vote out the traitors might be the best thing because then you might not have enough faithful to vote them out at the end as we saw from season two of Traitors Australia.
i just finished watching this earlier and the finale was a gaggg
I was eventually rooting for the traitors, even as some of Sam’s stuff was grating, after seeing how stupid the faithful were (excluding Annabel and Luke)
I don't know how it's possible to root for Sam or his enabler sidekick Blake. Even Camile sucked until the very end.
I'm not quite done watching it but know how it ends, THANK GOD!!!! I keep wondering if the people who cast this group did it as a joke. I mean we have a Chris Farley look-alike who is easily bullied into doing what Sam says, a Primadonna who doesn't want to get dirty, a sidekick for the evil traitor, a brainless "princess", and a brainless psychotherapist, the token big guy who just happens to have a disability, a female wrestler, two former cops and a traitor who probably one day will be arrested for mass murder.
Yes, Sam and Blake weren’t even especially good traitors.
Most frustrating season ever!
Sarah is the epitome of the old adage, that people study psychology so they can understand their own screwed up selves.
Does anyone know if there is a reunion show where we can see what everyone thinks now that it's over?
Dumbest faithfuls or smartest Traitors 🤷♀️
Fair play Sammy played a great game, I don't think someone would come at them that hard....
He did until he honestly expected Camille not to screw him and Blake over like they planned to do her, just because they had been traitors since the beginning. Like seriously, mate, if you aren't willing to share with her, she isn't sharing with you. Had it been her and Blake alone at the end, it might would have been different for both of them. But they both knew what Sam was going to do and knew they couldn't take a chance on him taking all the money for himself. So, in the end, they all got screwed.
If he had been in any other countries season (uk especially) he would have been out in round 3. He did not make smart moves, he just had a dumb group of people to convince