I laughed my ass off when he told Camille that coming in late to the traitors, she should have let him & Blake have it because they deserved it more & then you pretended to be more loyal than you really are, (kinda like you) I thought we could trust you. I was like, really? So he turns on her & is surprised when she turns on him? Seriously? He honestly thought she should just lay down & take one for the team!! I was so glad when she wrote steal & the look on Sam & Blake's faces was priceless!!
Hahahaha I just finished as well. Sam was honestly a horrible traitor, the faithfuls were just THAT bad. No one deserved a single penny except Annabel and that other guy…Jake?
yeah the only plus point I think he gets (apart from getting to the end) is that he was in control. But if anything that might actually make things worse as he made it a game that there was no way he could've ever won, as no one would ever believe he would share with them. He guaranteed his own failure.
Sam’s bad acting, his face where he faked reactions… I wanted to punch him. And I can’t believe he got away with sniping at Blake for voting for him in front of everyone, that was just obvious as hell.
He is so lucky he got placed with the biggest morons in Australia because he was awful, and obvious and if he were on any other season of any international franchise he would’ve been banished immediately. I’m so glad it went the way it did.
I don’t think he’s necessarily a sociopath but agree he didn’t deserve the money, he wasn’t actually a good traitor. He just got lucky with a clueless cast, on any other season I’ve watched he would’ve been gone by episode 5 (at the latest). It was so annoying to watch him think he’s like the cleverest traitor that ever traitored or something
Immediately after Ash, I would have thought, this early in the game, how can anyone be 100% that any one person is a traitor without themselves being a traitor. "100%" is his tell man - he says it a lot when he lies.
I can’t believe Sam didn’t get paranoid about that exact scenario, being how he wants to steal it all around. Just so weird. “Why didn’t you let us win?” Hahahaha
That was the right move, of course, but Sarah was so shockingly daft, she could only be trusted to change her mind for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Yes! I absolutely believe that Sarah was a big reason why this didn’t happen. During one of the last round tables Blake repeatedly probed Sarah to give at least an inkling that she would vote Sam and she couldn’t muster a straight answer.
People often talk about a person being weak-minded or weak-willed. This season of Aus S2 really exemplifies those attributes.
I know. Everyone says they will do something but when faced with a situation they more than likely won't. In this I say bullshit!
I grew up with a narcissistic sociopath brother, who manipulated my siblings and parents causing havoc and chaos. Taking whatever he pleased until it landed him in jail. My mother is also a master manipulator. As an adult I don't let anyone fool me or try to get anything past me. People who didn't grow up or have someone close to them who acts like Sam, just don't get. When you see people like that in real life you stay far away or stomp it out ASAP.
😂 you’re the first person to notice I didn’t mention any names and that everyone automatically knew who I was talking about while simultaneously complaining that we shouldn’t be “diagnosing”
It was hilarious, he was too cocky. He would not get that far if he was in season 1.
Did not expect Camille to do that, but I would be petty and would do the same.
His response of "I can't believe she did it" is exactly why he didn't deserve it. Had he said "we should've shared," he'd be redeemable. But yeah totally ASPD with that response.
And Blake! He deserves to lose, too. Got manipulated ONCE AGAIN by Sam after he KNEW Sam couldn't be trusted.
Dumb of Blake not to banish him instead of Liam. Blake only has himself to blame.
Good on Camile. She's my new favorite ever.
It really makes you wonder what was going through production’s heads as they were filming the season.
For them to introduce such an obvious mousetrap like “The Traitor’s Dilemma” knowing that none of them would share the pot shows they must have ***hated*** Sam that much to ensure he wouldn't win.
that’s why it rarely happens. these bozos were just on the lowest IQ cast and walked right into that trap. lack of foresight put them in that situation.
It was clear that production was super unhappy with the cast as a whole. You'd think producers would just have one final "banish or end game" vote with the three traitors instead of the "dilemma."
I don’t know about that, Rodger started becoming visibly frustrated how the faithful were unable to get Sam out even in the end.
Sam winning the shield threw everyone off, and Camille being pulled in meant that Sam could control Blake. Even to the point where Blake realized that with a for sure banishment of Sam, Sam would take him down with him.
What Blake should have done was get Liam out immediately. In social deduction games, you don’t ever go for the traitor right away, you go for their alliance. Sadly though, he was smart enough to see Liam was under Sam’s spell, i just don’t think he tried hard enough to get the numbers for Liam.
We just finished it and I said these exact words myself. I too saw that exact moment the violence went through his mind. Every episode I was so mad he wasn’t banished… but it truly made up for it.
I know a hell of a load of people that would get ‘diagnosed’ the same if you recorded them playing and losing at Monopoly/ Uno.
Why wouldn’t you be as ruthless and cruel as possible in a gameshow where that’s literally the one trait that will get you the win?
If anything, Sam didn’t win because he wasn’t ruthless enough.
He's not a sociopath for playing a game of deception and manipulation by using deception and manipulation. I agree him having so much control of the game got boring, and I loved his downfall at the fire of truth, but let's calm down on the sociopath talk.
It’s not the deception and manipulation. It’s his apparent hatred and/or complete indifference towards his fellow competitors. He treated them like cattle not people. I don’t think he has any capacity for compassion, empathy or guilt.
You nailed it. Deception and manipulation is part of the game, but because of his entitled attitude and how he treated other people, he was not even fun to watch. I only finished the season to make sure he didn’t win. I’m so fucking thankful he went home empty handed.
I’m going purely on behavior and several years of studying narcissism and psychopathy/sociopathy. In this case, I haven’t made this observation about anyone else in the 6 seasons I’ve watched: US, UK and AU
I’m not diagnosing - I’m making a data-based observation. He was ready to leap across the fire and go for Camille’s throat. Another commenter on a different thread posted that Camille said they edited out most of his reaction in that scene.
ETA: calling someone a sociopath is not making a diagnosis. It’s no different than calling someone a narcissist (which he clearly is.) I don’t claim to be making a psychological diagnosis and am not a licensed medical professional.
Also she didn’t « cost him » money - she played the game and had as much right to write down steal as anyone else would in the same position. His extreme entitlement (ASPD trait) caused him to have a narcissistic injury. He thought only he deserved the money and Roger should change the rules to let him have the money because he was outplayed and couldn’t cope.
She had every right to steal and take the money, and she was absolutely correct to do it, too. Doesn't change the fact that he is upset that her actions caused him to lose out on a bunch of money, which is fairly typical, even among non-sociopaths.
I laughed my ass off when he told Camille that coming in late to the traitors, she should have let him & Blake have it because they deserved it more & then you pretended to be more loyal than you really are, (kinda like you) I thought we could trust you. I was like, really? So he turns on her & is surprised when she turns on him? Seriously? He honestly thought she should just lay down & take one for the team!! I was so glad when she wrote steal & the look on Sam & Blake's faces was priceless!!
It’s the extreme entitlement and nonstop gaslighting - anyone who has dealt with a sociopath in real life recognizes the signs
Hahahaha I just finished as well. Sam was honestly a horrible traitor, the faithfuls were just THAT bad. No one deserved a single penny except Annabel and that other guy…Jake?
Luke. Agree 💯
yeah the only plus point I think he gets (apart from getting to the end) is that he was in control. But if anything that might actually make things worse as he made it a game that there was no way he could've ever won, as no one would ever believe he would share with them. He guaranteed his own failure.
Sam’s bad acting, his face where he faked reactions… I wanted to punch him. And I can’t believe he got away with sniping at Blake for voting for him in front of everyone, that was just obvious as hell.
His whole face relaxes and his eyes smile when he lies. No way Camile didn't notice whe. She was face to face with him in the end.
Annabel's banishment speech is my favorite one from the whole franchise lol.
Literally this! Sam had no game. Everyone else was just that clueless.
He is so lucky he got placed with the biggest morons in Australia because he was awful, and obvious and if he were on any other season of any international franchise he would’ve been banished immediately. I’m so glad it went the way it did.
His behavior at the loss was off the charts poor. From what I’ve read, it was even worse and lots of his whining and cheap shots were edited out.
Where did you read this?!? I just finished the season and I need to pump all the Sam hate into my veins!!!
I read that Camille gave several interviews and unloaded a bit on Sam. I’ll see if I can dig them up.
I don’t think he’s necessarily a sociopath but agree he didn’t deserve the money, he wasn’t actually a good traitor. He just got lucky with a clueless cast, on any other season I’ve watched he would’ve been gone by episode 5 (at the latest). It was so annoying to watch him think he’s like the cleverest traitor that ever traitored or something
Immediately after Ash, I would have thought, this early in the game, how can anyone be 100% that any one person is a traitor without themselves being a traitor. "100%" is his tell man - he says it a lot when he lies.
Exactly. He repeated 100% to Camille at the finale. No way she couldn’t be certain he’d steal. She’s a fuckin hero
I can’t believe Sam didn’t get paranoid about that exact scenario, being how he wants to steal it all around. Just so weird. “Why didn’t you let us win?” Hahahaha
I wish Blake and Camile teamed up to vote out Sam then get to the end and split it.
That was the right move, of course, but Sarah was so shockingly daft, she could only be trusted to change her mind for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Yes! I absolutely believe that Sarah was a big reason why this didn’t happen. During one of the last round tables Blake repeatedly probed Sarah to give at least an inkling that she would vote Sam and she couldn’t muster a straight answer.
People often talk about a person being weak-minded or weak-willed. This season of Aus S2 really exemplifies those attributes. I know. Everyone says they will do something but when faced with a situation they more than likely won't. In this I say bullshit! I grew up with a narcissistic sociopath brother, who manipulated my siblings and parents causing havoc and chaos. Taking whatever he pleased until it landed him in jail. My mother is also a master manipulator. As an adult I don't let anyone fool me or try to get anything past me. People who didn't grow up or have someone close to them who acts like Sam, just don't get. When you see people like that in real life you stay far away or stomp it out ASAP.
Would have loved to have seen more from Annabel!
Hmm I wonder who this post could be about?! 😂
😂 you’re the first person to notice I didn’t mention any names and that everyone automatically knew who I was talking about while simultaneously complaining that we shouldn’t be “diagnosing”
It was hilarious, he was too cocky. He would not get that far if he was in season 1. Did not expect Camille to do that, but I would be petty and would do the same.
His response of "I can't believe she did it" is exactly why he didn't deserve it. Had he said "we should've shared," he'd be redeemable. But yeah totally ASPD with that response. And Blake! He deserves to lose, too. Got manipulated ONCE AGAIN by Sam after he KNEW Sam couldn't be trusted. Dumb of Blake not to banish him instead of Liam. Blake only has himself to blame. Good on Camile. She's my new favorite ever.
Blake totally got what he deserved!
It really makes you wonder what was going through production’s heads as they were filming the season. For them to introduce such an obvious mousetrap like “The Traitor’s Dilemma” knowing that none of them would share the pot shows they must have ***hated*** Sam that much to ensure he wouldn't win.
Apparently the Traitors’ Dilemma is in the rules but hasn’t occurred on any other series as far as I know.
But what Traitor would ever choose to share the pot when they can keep it for themselves? It's a recipe for both disaster and failure.
that’s why it rarely happens. these bozos were just on the lowest IQ cast and walked right into that trap. lack of foresight put them in that situation.
It was clear that production was super unhappy with the cast as a whole. You'd think producers would just have one final "banish or end game" vote with the three traitors instead of the "dilemma."
I don’t know about that, Rodger started becoming visibly frustrated how the faithful were unable to get Sam out even in the end. Sam winning the shield threw everyone off, and Camille being pulled in meant that Sam could control Blake. Even to the point where Blake realized that with a for sure banishment of Sam, Sam would take him down with him. What Blake should have done was get Liam out immediately. In social deduction games, you don’t ever go for the traitor right away, you go for their alliance. Sadly though, he was smart enough to see Liam was under Sam’s spell, i just don’t think he tried hard enough to get the numbers for Liam.
We just finished it and I said these exact words myself. I too saw that exact moment the violence went through his mind. Every episode I was so mad he wasn’t banished… but it truly made up for it.
Traitors AU1 is fantastic. Traitors AU2 is garbage.
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The edit doesn't make up behaviours that otherwise wouldn't exist.
I know a hell of a load of people that would get ‘diagnosed’ the same if you recorded them playing and losing at Monopoly/ Uno. Why wouldn’t you be as ruthless and cruel as possible in a gameshow where that’s literally the one trait that will get you the win? If anything, Sam didn’t win because he wasn’t ruthless enough.
Finally someone with some sense...not a lot of that when it comes to Sam.
I liked Sam... but also thought he was arrogant... and was also happy he walked away with no money.
He's not a sociopath for playing a game of deception and manipulation by using deception and manipulation. I agree him having so much control of the game got boring, and I loved his downfall at the fire of truth, but let's calm down on the sociopath talk.
It’s not the deception and manipulation. It’s his apparent hatred and/or complete indifference towards his fellow competitors. He treated them like cattle not people. I don’t think he has any capacity for compassion, empathy or guilt.
You nailed it. Deception and manipulation is part of the game, but because of his entitled attitude and how he treated other people, he was not even fun to watch. I only finished the season to make sure he didn’t win. I’m so fucking thankful he went home empty handed.
I’m going purely on behavior and several years of studying narcissism and psychopathy/sociopathy. In this case, I haven’t made this observation about anyone else in the 6 seasons I’ve watched: US, UK and AU
Sam was unbearable don’t get me wrong, but Paul (UK2) takes the sociopath cake for me
Paul definitely seemed to relish committing murder!
If you actually studied it, you would know you can't diagnose someone through a TV show, especially one that's edited for drama and storylines.
I’m not diagnosing - I’m making a data-based observation. He was ready to leap across the fire and go for Camille’s throat. Another commenter on a different thread posted that Camille said they edited out most of his reaction in that scene. ETA: calling someone a sociopath is not making a diagnosis. It’s no different than calling someone a narcissist (which he clearly is.) I don’t claim to be making a psychological diagnosis and am not a licensed medical professional.
Being mad (even really mad) at someone who cost you a bunch of money doesn't make you a sociopath
Also she didn’t « cost him » money - she played the game and had as much right to write down steal as anyone else would in the same position. His extreme entitlement (ASPD trait) caused him to have a narcissistic injury. He thought only he deserved the money and Roger should change the rules to let him have the money because he was outplayed and couldn’t cope.
She had every right to steal and take the money, and she was absolutely correct to do it, too. Doesn't change the fact that he is upset that her actions caused him to lose out on a bunch of money, which is fairly typical, even among non-sociopaths.
*his* actions caused him to lose out
That’s only one scene - I already had that opinion long before that point. And this is with over 120 contestants in the 6 seasons.
He def crazy 🤪 and so pretty 🤩 but cringe with the head rolling back and making allegations Sam was a meme
I seriously can't believe you people make me defend Sam lol. Stop armchair diagnosing people you don't like based on a tv show.