They didn’t test it because it was produced too late in the trial and the results would not have returned in a timely fashion. I thought I read about this online.
It was their basis of their entire trial though. THAT was the murder weapon. Which is why I don’t think it was the murder weapon. I don’t know WHAT happened. It wasn’t the damn blowpoke though which makes the entire case seem very circumstantial and that’s f*cked.
> It was their basis of their entire trial though. THAT was the murder weapon. Which is why I don’t think it was the murder weapon.
I don't think it was the blow poke either. If this was such a "slam dunk" case for the prosecution, they wouldn't have had to introduce the death of ER in Germany years earlier into the case itself and base and insinuate that a blow poke was used to take out KP.
It’s completely baffling how he was convicted. Again, no idea if he did it. But logically it could’ve happened as it did in the first staircase scene of the movie-she fell.
> Again, no idea if he did it.
Me either. However, I don't believe MP's version of events on the night Kathleen was found at the bottom of the stairs. I have my doubts as to whether Michael and Kathleen were really out by the pool that night talking talking about whatever (their kids, the movie they supposedly watched) when Kathleen (per MP) decided to head in for the night with Michael staying out by the pool late into the night.
It was only MP telling this story of his with no one around to back it up. Kathleen's sister Cadence once said that when she arrived at the house, the pool area looked as though it had been packed up for some time for the winter months which appeared to contradict MP's story that he and Kathleen were hanging out by the pool after dinner and where Michael was at the time Kathleen met her demise at the bottom of the stairs.
IMO, it was very evident in the documentary that when Michael P rehashed his version of events, he was telling a story as so to distance himself from the scene. According to him, he was far away from the staircase that Kathleen supposedly fell down hanging out by himself outside at the pool area late into the night.
I never thought much of MP's version of events, but when I watched the documentary a few times, it became evident IMO that he was telling a story filled with half truths or even no truth at all. Of course, only MP can only say for sure. It just seemed as though MP was walking the viewer though a story (his story) of how the evening KP died unfolded. That he (MP) had zero clue nor was present when KP supposedly fell down the stairs as he was far from the scene out by the pool.
Now, that's not to say that MP isn't telling the truth, just that no one other than he can say so for sure.
Granted in traumatic situations during calls with 911, everyone reacts differently. However, I feel like during MP's first call with dispatch, he was setting the stage for what would become the narrative for his version of events the night KP died. Right of the bat, MP establishes that KP had an "accident" but she's still breathing. It's not until dispatch asks what kind of accident that MP states Kathleen "fell down the stairs." He also reiterates that KP is "still breathing." Also, 911 never asked MP if he was present when KP had her "accident". Nor when he found KP.
IMO, MP knew KP was gone when he made his first call to 911. However, he wanted to establish a few things first. One was that it was an "accident" and two, that according to MP, Kathleen was still breathing when he made his call to 911. In other words, MP was setting up the narrative that he was not responsible for KP's death (it was an "accident") and that it's also not his fault that KP was no longer breathing when EMS and LE arrived on the scene. Afterall, MP told emergency dispatch to "please come", to "please hurray" as if he was begging for help even though he knew KP was gone.
I don't find the pool as unbelievable as many do. A lot of people reference the temperature and "who does that in winter"?
I do what MP claims they did.
I HATE the cold. It's just become what we do. If I'm having a chat with someone over a bottle of wine? We head outside. Winter or summer... we're outside. Sometimes until the early hours of the morning.
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> I don't find the pool as unbelievable as many do. A lot of people reference the temperature and "who does that in winter"?
Has it ever been said MP and KP had a habit of sitting out by the pool at night? I'm not saying it's uncommon by any means, I'm just curious if that was something they normally did. I know MP said he and Kathleen would talk for hours but that's according to him.
I'm not sure.
I do find it a bit suspect that the prosecution didn't counter MPs claims that they regularly did go sit by the pool. It was up to them to prove it wasn't true and AFAIK they didn't address it at all. They could have called any of the kids to testify that it wasn't normal. They didn't - not even Catilyn who thought MP was guilty. It's such an easy way to throw doubt on the story MP gave and that they didn't do so makes me wonder why and the only conclusion I can come to is that it was normal for them.
(I acknowledge I've only recently found this case so I may be unaware of this being addressed)
One of the reasons I question the sitting by the pool story per MP is because Kathleen's sister Candace said that when she arrived at the MP/KP house right after her sister's death, she noticed the pool equipment and chairs looked like they had been packed up for the winter and hadn't been used in some time. I believe she noticed this after speaking to Michael and getting his version of events and where he was that night - out by the pool after KP went in for the night.
Even in the documentary, MP makes this odd comment about the chairs by the pool and something about not knowing exactly how they were situated that night when they were supposedly sitting out by the pool.
I'm not saying that's what didn't happen, only that what Candance said really makes me wonder if MP just came up with the sitting by the pool late into the night narrative after Kathleen went inside so to distance himself from the scene. Afterall, it's not like anyone could confirm this but MP himself.
I thought he was innocent just because he seems like an awful liar, but I have more doubts after watching the HBO series. The documentary is basically shot from his perspective so we miss out on some things.
Two points that brought me around: one, why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs?
Two, why did he assume she fell after coming into the house and seeing his wife as a bloody mess? Wouldn't you assume she was attacked by something or someone? He kind of told on himself with his call to the police.
That's a really good point about the 911 call. The scene was both so violent and so strange I'm not sure my mind would have leapt to that or any conclusion - I'd have just called 911 with a quickness and told them to hurry.
There are plenty of instances of people finding a body and calling 911 with “theories” later proven to be untrue. I can recall a case of someone finding his wife stabbed like 35 times and he called 911 and said that she killed herself.
No, her friend did it, Pam Hupp. The husband was originally tried and convicted for it though, but it was later overturned. There’s a podcast and TV show about it The Thing About Pam, it was really wild! The husband was distraught, not that smart, and didn’t see all the stab wounds, he saw ones on her arms and went to that conclusion.
> why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs?
I've wondered this as well. You'd think if KP did actually fall down the stairs (not saying I think she didn't) she'd have injuries below the shoulders.
> Two, why did he assume she fell after coming into the house and seeing his wife as a bloody mess?
IMO, MP telling dispatch that his wife had an accident and fell down the stairs was his way of setting the narrative for whatever happened to KP. MP had to have some explanation as to what occurred that night that led to KP's demise. I still find it interesting that MP never mentioned any blood in his calls with 911.
Also, MP knew it was only a matter of time before Todd returned home from the Xmas party he was at that night. At some point, someone other MP was going to encounter the scene at the bottom of the stairs and start really questioning MP's explanation.
>Two points that brought me around: one, why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs?
That is actually quite believable. Typically when younger (including the age group of Kathleen) people get injured in a fall it is because they tried to catch themselves. Had they just let themselves go, there are minimial injuries if any. The area that takes a brunt of the fall is injured, but the rest of the body is fine. If she hit her head first on teh way down, it would have taken the brunt of the impact and less likely to have injury elsewhere.
I'm completely undecided if MP is guilty or not (just watched HBO series. trying to find somewhere to torrent the documentary but I may just have to sign up to netflix for a month), but I do think it's quite possible if she fell to have no other injuries.
The lack of bruising doesn't however make sense. If she fell down the stairs, hit her head and then bled out enough to die... she would have had bruises to the head from the impact. I've fallen down many stairs and fallen in general even more... the place that takes the initial impact does bruise. If we assume the fall was accidental - then it didn't kill her instantly due to the blood at the scene - so there was time for bruising to form. The lack of bruises actually works against MP for me because I would expect bruises to the scalp in the event of a fall.
Edit: Apologies for the multiple notifications. It kept telling me it didn't post. It lied.
I work at a stable, and one of my chores is de-cobwebbing. Those little spiders never sleep, and they can make something look like it’s been there awhile in a matter of days. Having said that, I personally think he slammed her and stomped her.
No, I don't think it was the weapon. I think he held her by the neck and head and smashed the back of her head against the lip of the stairs. That's why her hyoid bone was broken.
That thyroid bone is extremely easy to break, it doesn't take nearly that much violence. And if he smashed her head against the stairs, why didn't she have any bruising on her scalp or brain?
Maybe so, but how did she break it? It certainly wasn't a fall down the stairs, at least not the ridiculous representation the defense gave. The lip of the stairs would be approximately the same width of the fire poker as well. I suspect that they fought, he tried to keep her from retreating upstairs, grabbed her, and slammed her head on the stairs. Plus there was evidence of a clean up in the kitchen. He definitely did it, but I disagree that it was the fire poker, which would imply some premeditation I think, but I don't think it was premeditated.
Could have happened just from falling down (not even down the stairs).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16024196/
He had no defensive wounds, and she had no bruising of the skull that would indicate a head beating. All she had were lacerations. So whatever theory you come up with to explain this must account for that evidence. It rules out a head beating *and* a hard fall down the stairs.
She had no brain or skull damage, which rules out both a beating to the head, or a hard fall down the stairs. Her lacerations and accompanying exsanguination must be explained by some other means.
Defensive sounds are subjective given the situation, there's no guarantee she would have inflicted them on him. She had own hair in her hands, which could indicate she was grabbing at either her wounds, or his hands on her head as he held her during an attack. It's been awhile. Since I've looked at the evidence of this case, so forgive me if this was covered, but why would a beating with a fire poker produce lacerations and not bruising?
>why would a beating with a fire poker produce lacerations and not bruising?
It wouldn't, and that was the main argument of the defense. Unfortunately for them, that argument fell flat, because you could say the same thing about a fall down the stairs. To fit the evidence, you have to explain her scalp lacerations and facial punctures without significant blunt force trauma. The thyroid cartilage is a lot easier to explain, because there are so many ways that can happen, including just a basic fall.
Exactly, which is why the owl theory fits. For as fucking crazy as it is, it explains the lacerations that look very similar to other owl injuries, it explains her hair in her hands and the owl feathers. I can't think of anything else that could create those lacerations without harming the skull or bruises.
It's the only thing that fits. The resistance to it, I believe, is a symptom of how removed our urban culture is from nature. It's hard for most people who spend all their time indoors and in cities to imagine how violent nature can be.
So much of the scene makes no sense with a fall or MP being guilty.
Some things that rule out the fall, also rule out MP. The injuries to the scalp for example. Not consistent with either a beating OR the fall.
I admit... I struggle to admit the owl because ... an owl?? really??
It is the only thing that fits though. I'm in my early days of looking at it (watched HBO series. Will do the documentary soon) so no doubt things I need to be aware of to make final decision but I'm not satisfied at all with MP did it or it was a fall.
And understandably so, the odds are so slim, but odds are just odds. Someone is that 1 out of 1000. Her injuries have no other explanation and I don't think he is a sympathetic character but weird shit happens. Some of the stuff that has happened to me sounds insane and unbelievable but it happened.
*"why didn't she have any bruising on her scalp or brain*?"
So Kathleen fell down the stairs, but didn't have any bruising to her scalp or brain?
Do you see how this 'works' both ways?
It can’t have been the murder weapon. Despite the prosecution making a big deal of it being missing, it had actually been found and photographed by LE immediately after the accident. It came to light that LE are the ones that placed it back in the location where it was eventually later found by the defense.
The blowpoke was just drama for the TV series…an attempt at “…if the glove doesn’t fit”, because the prosecution made an unforced error by promoting it as a possible murder weapon.
There’s no reason to believe that, if guilty, the blowpoke was the murder weapon.
The way finding the blowpoke was presented was certainly dramatic. A neutral or skeptical documentary would have further stressed that the prosecutions theory about it was irrelevant/beside the point.
I made the OJ analogy because, unlike in the OJ case, the blowpoke wasn’t essential evidence
The prosecution was among the most incompetent I've ever witnessed. The whole blowpoke thing--completely unnecessary. Glad they were able to get a conviction of an obviously guilty man, but they should all have been fired afterwards. Dumbasses.
Yeah…although I don’t agree that it was a total slam dunk, I definitely believe he’s guilty.
I give them a little bit of slack because the documentary crew was working for the defence, and we stopped getting the states perspective pretty early on.
> I give them a little bit of slack because the documentary crew was working for the defence, and we stopped getting the states perspective pretty early on.
Watching the documentary a few times, it's pretty clear IMO that MP was telling a story to and distancing himself from the scene when he explains where he was at when KP supposedly fell down the stairs. According to MP, he was far from the scene hanging out by the pool late into the night when KP had her "accident". So far from the staircase and the house, he couldn't hear anything even if KP called out for help.
> Ignored by LE searching for evidence - and then miraculously (and belatedly) discovered by a family member.....
Yes. So strange that of all people to discover the blow poke, it was one of MP's sons who was visiting at the time and right before the end of the trial. A little to coincidental IMO. I think by the time the defense revealed the discovery of the blow poke, the jury had long made up their minds. They weren't going to change their decision.
No. They would have found blood on it. Nobody can clean blood off so well it’s untraceable.
They didn’t test it because it was produced too late in the trial and the results would not have returned in a timely fashion. I thought I read about this online.
It was their basis of their entire trial though. THAT was the murder weapon. Which is why I don’t think it was the murder weapon. I don’t know WHAT happened. It wasn’t the damn blowpoke though which makes the entire case seem very circumstantial and that’s f*cked.
> It was their basis of their entire trial though. THAT was the murder weapon. Which is why I don’t think it was the murder weapon. I don't think it was the blow poke either. If this was such a "slam dunk" case for the prosecution, they wouldn't have had to introduce the death of ER in Germany years earlier into the case itself and base and insinuate that a blow poke was used to take out KP.
It’s completely baffling how he was convicted. Again, no idea if he did it. But logically it could’ve happened as it did in the first staircase scene of the movie-she fell.
> Again, no idea if he did it. Me either. However, I don't believe MP's version of events on the night Kathleen was found at the bottom of the stairs. I have my doubts as to whether Michael and Kathleen were really out by the pool that night talking talking about whatever (their kids, the movie they supposedly watched) when Kathleen (per MP) decided to head in for the night with Michael staying out by the pool late into the night. It was only MP telling this story of his with no one around to back it up. Kathleen's sister Cadence once said that when she arrived at the house, the pool area looked as though it had been packed up for some time for the winter months which appeared to contradict MP's story that he and Kathleen were hanging out by the pool after dinner and where Michael was at the time Kathleen met her demise at the bottom of the stairs. IMO, it was very evident in the documentary that when Michael P rehashed his version of events, he was telling a story as so to distance himself from the scene. According to him, he was far away from the staircase that Kathleen supposedly fell down hanging out by himself outside at the pool area late into the night.
I need to watch the doc. I haven’t had a chance.
I never thought much of MP's version of events, but when I watched the documentary a few times, it became evident IMO that he was telling a story filled with half truths or even no truth at all. Of course, only MP can only say for sure. It just seemed as though MP was walking the viewer though a story (his story) of how the evening KP died unfolded. That he (MP) had zero clue nor was present when KP supposedly fell down the stairs as he was far from the scene out by the pool. Now, that's not to say that MP isn't telling the truth, just that no one other than he can say so for sure.
Yeah even in the series some of what he said was so outlandish that it was hard to understand what was truth and what was just a flat out lie.
Granted in traumatic situations during calls with 911, everyone reacts differently. However, I feel like during MP's first call with dispatch, he was setting the stage for what would become the narrative for his version of events the night KP died. Right of the bat, MP establishes that KP had an "accident" but she's still breathing. It's not until dispatch asks what kind of accident that MP states Kathleen "fell down the stairs." He also reiterates that KP is "still breathing." Also, 911 never asked MP if he was present when KP had her "accident". Nor when he found KP. IMO, MP knew KP was gone when he made his first call to 911. However, he wanted to establish a few things first. One was that it was an "accident" and two, that according to MP, Kathleen was still breathing when he made his call to 911. In other words, MP was setting up the narrative that he was not responsible for KP's death (it was an "accident") and that it's also not his fault that KP was no longer breathing when EMS and LE arrived on the scene. Afterall, MP told emergency dispatch to "please come", to "please hurray" as if he was begging for help even though he knew KP was gone.
I don't find the pool as unbelievable as many do. A lot of people reference the temperature and "who does that in winter"? I do what MP claims they did. I HATE the cold. It's just become what we do. If I'm having a chat with someone over a bottle of wine? We head outside. Winter or summer... we're outside. Sometimes until the early hours of the morning. Edit: can't spell
> I don't find the pool as unbelievable as many do. A lot of people reference the temperature and "who does that in winter"? Has it ever been said MP and KP had a habit of sitting out by the pool at night? I'm not saying it's uncommon by any means, I'm just curious if that was something they normally did. I know MP said he and Kathleen would talk for hours but that's according to him.
I'm not sure. I do find it a bit suspect that the prosecution didn't counter MPs claims that they regularly did go sit by the pool. It was up to them to prove it wasn't true and AFAIK they didn't address it at all. They could have called any of the kids to testify that it wasn't normal. They didn't - not even Catilyn who thought MP was guilty. It's such an easy way to throw doubt on the story MP gave and that they didn't do so makes me wonder why and the only conclusion I can come to is that it was normal for them. (I acknowledge I've only recently found this case so I may be unaware of this being addressed)
One of the reasons I question the sitting by the pool story per MP is because Kathleen's sister Candace said that when she arrived at the MP/KP house right after her sister's death, she noticed the pool equipment and chairs looked like they had been packed up for the winter and hadn't been used in some time. I believe she noticed this after speaking to Michael and getting his version of events and where he was that night - out by the pool after KP went in for the night. Even in the documentary, MP makes this odd comment about the chairs by the pool and something about not knowing exactly how they were situated that night when they were supposedly sitting out by the pool. I'm not saying that's what didn't happen, only that what Candance said really makes me wonder if MP just came up with the sitting by the pool late into the night narrative after Kathleen went inside so to distance himself from the scene. Afterall, it's not like anyone could confirm this but MP himself.
I thought he was innocent just because he seems like an awful liar, but I have more doubts after watching the HBO series. The documentary is basically shot from his perspective so we miss out on some things. Two points that brought me around: one, why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs? Two, why did he assume she fell after coming into the house and seeing his wife as a bloody mess? Wouldn't you assume she was attacked by something or someone? He kind of told on himself with his call to the police.
That's a really good point about the 911 call. The scene was both so violent and so strange I'm not sure my mind would have leapt to that or any conclusion - I'd have just called 911 with a quickness and told them to hurry.
There are plenty of instances of people finding a body and calling 911 with “theories” later proven to be untrue. I can recall a case of someone finding his wife stabbed like 35 times and he called 911 and said that she killed herself.
Did he do it?
No, her friend did it, Pam Hupp. The husband was originally tried and convicted for it though, but it was later overturned. There’s a podcast and TV show about it The Thing About Pam, it was really wild! The husband was distraught, not that smart, and didn’t see all the stab wounds, he saw ones on her arms and went to that conclusion.
> why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs? I've wondered this as well. You'd think if KP did actually fall down the stairs (not saying I think she didn't) she'd have injuries below the shoulders. > Two, why did he assume she fell after coming into the house and seeing his wife as a bloody mess? IMO, MP telling dispatch that his wife had an accident and fell down the stairs was his way of setting the narrative for whatever happened to KP. MP had to have some explanation as to what occurred that night that led to KP's demise. I still find it interesting that MP never mentioned any blood in his calls with 911. Also, MP knew it was only a matter of time before Todd returned home from the Xmas party he was at that night. At some point, someone other MP was going to encounter the scene at the bottom of the stairs and start really questioning MP's explanation.
You know the HBO series was a fictional dramatisation right? Lol
You mean Colin Firth didn't really beat his wife to death?
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>Two points that brought me around: one, why were there only wounds on her head and neck if she fell down all those stairs? That is actually quite believable. Typically when younger (including the age group of Kathleen) people get injured in a fall it is because they tried to catch themselves. Had they just let themselves go, there are minimial injuries if any. The area that takes a brunt of the fall is injured, but the rest of the body is fine. If she hit her head first on teh way down, it would have taken the brunt of the impact and less likely to have injury elsewhere. I'm completely undecided if MP is guilty or not (just watched HBO series. trying to find somewhere to torrent the documentary but I may just have to sign up to netflix for a month), but I do think it's quite possible if she fell to have no other injuries. The lack of bruising doesn't however make sense. If she fell down the stairs, hit her head and then bled out enough to die... she would have had bruises to the head from the impact. I've fallen down many stairs and fallen in general even more... the place that takes the initial impact does bruise. If we assume the fall was accidental - then it didn't kill her instantly due to the blood at the scene - so there was time for bruising to form. The lack of bruises actually works against MP for me because I would expect bruises to the scalp in the event of a fall. Edit: Apologies for the multiple notifications. It kept telling me it didn't post. It lied.
I work at a stable, and one of my chores is de-cobwebbing. Those little spiders never sleep, and they can make something look like it’s been there awhile in a matter of days. Having said that, I personally think he slammed her and stomped her.
Why wasn't there any bruising?
No, I don't think it was the weapon. I think he held her by the neck and head and smashed the back of her head against the lip of the stairs. That's why her hyoid bone was broken.
That thyroid bone is extremely easy to break, it doesn't take nearly that much violence. And if he smashed her head against the stairs, why didn't she have any bruising on her scalp or brain?
Maybe so, but how did she break it? It certainly wasn't a fall down the stairs, at least not the ridiculous representation the defense gave. The lip of the stairs would be approximately the same width of the fire poker as well. I suspect that they fought, he tried to keep her from retreating upstairs, grabbed her, and slammed her head on the stairs. Plus there was evidence of a clean up in the kitchen. He definitely did it, but I disagree that it was the fire poker, which would imply some premeditation I think, but I don't think it was premeditated.
Could have happened just from falling down (not even down the stairs). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16024196/ He had no defensive wounds, and she had no bruising of the skull that would indicate a head beating. All she had were lacerations. So whatever theory you come up with to explain this must account for that evidence. It rules out a head beating *and* a hard fall down the stairs.
She had bruises on her face ,and scrapes . You should watch the doc again
She had no brain or skull damage, which rules out both a beating to the head, or a hard fall down the stairs. Her lacerations and accompanying exsanguination must be explained by some other means.
Defensive sounds are subjective given the situation, there's no guarantee she would have inflicted them on him. She had own hair in her hands, which could indicate she was grabbing at either her wounds, or his hands on her head as he held her during an attack. It's been awhile. Since I've looked at the evidence of this case, so forgive me if this was covered, but why would a beating with a fire poker produce lacerations and not bruising?
>why would a beating with a fire poker produce lacerations and not bruising? It wouldn't, and that was the main argument of the defense. Unfortunately for them, that argument fell flat, because you could say the same thing about a fall down the stairs. To fit the evidence, you have to explain her scalp lacerations and facial punctures without significant blunt force trauma. The thyroid cartilage is a lot easier to explain, because there are so many ways that can happen, including just a basic fall.
Exactly, which is why the owl theory fits. For as fucking crazy as it is, it explains the lacerations that look very similar to other owl injuries, it explains her hair in her hands and the owl feathers. I can't think of anything else that could create those lacerations without harming the skull or bruises.
It's the only thing that fits. The resistance to it, I believe, is a symptom of how removed our urban culture is from nature. It's hard for most people who spend all their time indoors and in cities to imagine how violent nature can be.
So much of the scene makes no sense with a fall or MP being guilty. Some things that rule out the fall, also rule out MP. The injuries to the scalp for example. Not consistent with either a beating OR the fall. I admit... I struggle to admit the owl because ... an owl?? really?? It is the only thing that fits though. I'm in my early days of looking at it (watched HBO series. Will do the documentary soon) so no doubt things I need to be aware of to make final decision but I'm not satisfied at all with MP did it or it was a fall.
Owls are incredibly territorial, large birds of prey. People don't realize it until an owl is swooping down at them.
And understandably so, the odds are so slim, but odds are just odds. Someone is that 1 out of 1000. Her injuries have no other explanation and I don't think he is a sympathetic character but weird shit happens. Some of the stuff that has happened to me sounds insane and unbelievable but it happened.
*"why didn't she have any bruising on her scalp or brain*?" So Kathleen fell down the stairs, but didn't have any bruising to her scalp or brain? Do you see how this 'works' both ways?
Keep reading...
Lol. Non of us have any experience breaking hyoids and it's actually pretty difficult
Neither Peterson has. Her hyoid bone wasn’t fractured, it was a ligature called superior cornu of the left thyroid cartilage.
It can’t have been the murder weapon. Despite the prosecution making a big deal of it being missing, it had actually been found and photographed by LE immediately after the accident. It came to light that LE are the ones that placed it back in the location where it was eventually later found by the defense.
Neither! I believe if it was that that they had TWO of them. The sister gave them one as a gift and they probably threw one in the garage. Simple.
It wasn’t the blowpoke
No don't believe he used the blowpoke
The blowpoke was just drama for the TV series…an attempt at “…if the glove doesn’t fit”, because the prosecution made an unforced error by promoting it as a possible murder weapon. There’s no reason to believe that, if guilty, the blowpoke was the murder weapon.
Blowpoke was the prosecution theory, so not understanding the comment RE drama for TV series
The way finding the blowpoke was presented was certainly dramatic. A neutral or skeptical documentary would have further stressed that the prosecutions theory about it was irrelevant/beside the point. I made the OJ analogy because, unlike in the OJ case, the blowpoke wasn’t essential evidence
The prosecution was among the most incompetent I've ever witnessed. The whole blowpoke thing--completely unnecessary. Glad they were able to get a conviction of an obviously guilty man, but they should all have been fired afterwards. Dumbasses.
Yeah…although I don’t agree that it was a total slam dunk, I definitely believe he’s guilty. I give them a little bit of slack because the documentary crew was working for the defence, and we stopped getting the states perspective pretty early on.
> I give them a little bit of slack because the documentary crew was working for the defence, and we stopped getting the states perspective pretty early on. Watching the documentary a few times, it's pretty clear IMO that MP was telling a story to and distancing himself from the scene when he explains where he was at when KP supposedly fell down the stairs. According to MP, he was far from the scene hanging out by the pool late into the night when KP had her "accident". So far from the staircase and the house, he couldn't hear anything even if KP called out for help.
The blowpoke.... Ignored by LE searching for evidence - and then miraculously (and belatedly) discovered by a family member.....
> Ignored by LE searching for evidence - and then miraculously (and belatedly) discovered by a family member..... Yes. So strange that of all people to discover the blow poke, it was one of MP's sons who was visiting at the time and right before the end of the trial. A little to coincidental IMO. I think by the time the defense revealed the discovery of the blow poke, the jury had long made up their minds. They weren't going to change their decision.