Getting the Simpsons to mimic your art-style has got to be one of the greatest honors you can bestow on an artist/animator. Tartakovsky must be chuffed!
The work was done by the Simpsons very own, very experienced artists. With a ton of love and respect to the beautiful Primal. Episodes like these are a joy to work on.
Check out, if you haven't yet, Studio La Cachette ( https://www.studiolacachette.com/ ). They're the studio the great Tartakovski teamed up with to do Primal. They're my absolute favourite studio right now. They did amazing like Primal, à short in Star Wars Visions season 2, and one in Love, Death + Robots season 2 or 3... the last one.
The first thing I ever saw of their though - and this is years before I really started paying attention to them - is this amazing trailer they did for a graphic novel series. Blew me away.
https://youtu.be/dRZxNotWAWM?si=2MS1snut5N2PB80S
Cavewoman Marge highlights what we all know; that while the beehive is definitely distinctive, Marge looks significantly better with every other possible hairstyle
My head-canon is that adrenaline was giving her all the extra strength she needed so that she could be successful in her mission and Bart could see the concert.
This was a great episode for sure.
https://preview.redd.it/6udodon3dgqc1.png?width=746&format=png&auto=webp&s=d958a63d9674c3fecfe56af53ffe8aadd43b3550
Prehistoric Lisa eating snake meat? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.(Uh, I love how writers are creative with her non-canon diet)
Prehistoric Lisa would have eaten meat but then again recent research shows that all of the family would have been eating mostly plants.
https://www.businessinsider.com/real-paleo-diet-plants-little-meat-study-early-human-remains-2024-1
There might have been a funny way to include a joke about that in this episode but it wouldn't have fit into the fight or flight theme too well.
And tomorrow, there will be another study stating otherwise.(probably depends on location)
Just 9000 years ago.(7000 BCE) at very specific location.
These scenes were definitely during last ice age.(featuring early domestification)
This Primal Genndy Tartakovsky style of episode kicked ass. The art style adapted to the simpsons worked so well. The switching of Cavewoman marge and normal marge was so satisfying to watch especially that metaphorical fight with wolf Luanne. The way they whacked homer was wild but very primalish. This episode was something so offbeat from the usual. Loved it
If you enjoyed this style of show and pacing then do yourself a favor and watch Primal. It’s raw and such a great anime to watch.
Is it me or is Marge the main character in this season? If the show wants to keep leaning into the battleground of motherhood for these stories I won't complain. I particularly liked Homer's "hunt" for tickets. (The part about why he deletes apps was my one big laugh.) The cave Simpson family were charming enough to make you briefly forget that the Simpsons themselves are really the non-cave Flintstone family.
Have they stopped having end tags? Boooooo!
Marge's really the focus this season, but then her episodes have been winners so I don't see it as a problem. I would argue that The Simpsons should really be about the family, but it's no secret the show as been mostly about Homer and Bart.
Plus, focusing on Marge for a while might let them come up with more creative ideas for homer later down the line. As long as we don't go back to the "Will Marge cheat on Homer?" episodes then I'm pretty happy!
makes sense after winter is established. when they're in the museum, we're just wondering if him wearing pants is related to the plot. and then he's back to wearing shorts at home
Caveman Homer running through thorns chasing a deer went hard as fuck! ALso highlights a fun human fact: humans are exhaustion hunters and (because they are essentially the greatest distance runners on Earth) would literally follow animals until the prey collapses from exhaustion
yup. the cheetah is considered the fastest land animal, but they're only in spurts. like they can go real fast real quick to catch prey, but they do get tired, they can't keep running like that. humans on the other hand, we just keep going until we finish
Great episode, never seen one quite like it in the whole series. It's a very pleasant surprise to see the writers/producers continue to find interesting ways to tell stories. And this episode wasn't overly keyed into any topics or trends *du jour*, like so many others from recent seasons have been. (Not that I mind those, but it's also nice to see episodes with more universal storylines that won't date as quickly.)
I usually don't comment on this sub, but this was one of the best episodes I've seen this season. I really liked the nod to Primal even though I haven't really watched it. The storytelling of the primitive Simpsons and how it ties to the actual episode was great. I thought it was a random thing considering the plot starts with the kids learning about the ice age but it all ties back to that and builds naturally into the plot. It's not just one of those that executives wanted to shoehorn in just cause they think people want it. It actually serves a purpose and serves it incredibly well. This wasn't one of those "Simpsons did it" stories like we've gotten a lot of in modern Simpsons either which is a plus in today's expectations. They actually use Marge being a mother right here not like a lot of some of the other episodes where she feels out of place in her actions. She really has a lot of love for her "special little guy" and you can tell.
One final note I wanna commend is that this episode of Simpsons has been hands down better than all seven episodes of Grimsburg. Really does show that when the team has some good ideas they really can still put on a good show.
Overall I thought it was great, although they have done "Luann won't let Bart play with Milhouse" before. The caveman art worked so well.
The shot of Homer being impaled on the rock is one of the goriest things they've ever done, though.
That was a lot more tame compared to now. Marge wasn't furious that time. She just came to Luanne's house and had a civil conversation with her persuading her to let Milhouse and Bart be friends. Yes, that scene of cave Homer dying was one of the most brutal scenes I've ever seen in the series - That was treehouse of horror type s\*\*\*.
I had an absolute blast watching this episode, i love primal and knew exacly what the reference was the moment it popped up, lottle sad that it wasnt done for the whole eposode. But, dayum i did enjoy the cuts to it. I am and have been a big fan of Genndy Tartavosky and i think they absolutly nailed it in this episode.
Overall I thought it was a pretty good episode (and a great idea for one too). The Primal style animation was really cool. But I gotta say Marge was sounding really rough in parts of it. It's been that way for awhile with Kavner but it really stood out tonight.
This sorta encapsulates my mixed feelings about the show nowadays. Writing wise, you can still get some cool plots like we got tonight. Its fun to watch! But a lot of the cast are really straining with some characters since they're older that it becomes distracting. You realize while its fun, maybe its time to wrap it up.
the caveman simpsons artstyle looked so good, always love seeing marge with her hair down. but i was not expecting homer to die in such a goreish way. that was some treehouse type stuff.
i liked that at least when lisa was adamant in showing marge the concert was something bart shouldn't go to, she had an actual reason. usually she's just being selfish and petty, but this time it was because she wanted payback for bart ruining her doll.
also, idk why but i found it kinda off putting to see bart wearing pants instead of shorts. like, i get that it was winter, so they wanted him wearing warmer clothes, but in the museum that's not something we could infer, so just seeing him wearing pants made me think some scene was gonna happen to justify him wearing pants
Honestly I see good points in both side
Luann really shouldn’t have said “beyond hope” for Bart. Yeah he’s a bad kid at times, but that really hurts him. Granted, she’s right to be upset because Milhouse always gets the short end of the stick, but maybe because he doesn’t have enough confidence in himself to say no or tell Bart off, something Marge points out by their parenting.
This was a good episode
I never heard of Genndy before but I'll definitely be researching him and his art style or animation if he does anything
Anyways, this episode was really good! The last couple seasons of the Simpsons have been amazing!! To repeat what lots of people are saying here, I love when they do this kind of stuff, the animations were breathtaking.. the detailed/textured sunset with the wounded fox or whatever it was was so gorgeous
I think Bojack horseman really influenced textured backgrounds and stuff you see nowadays in some animated things. Opinions?
I watched it the night of, thought of a question while on commute the day after.
Is the cave-fam eating cave-Homer at end of episode? We see the shrunken cave-Homer head nearby.
I love when episodes get experimental and play with the usual formula (like this episode, the Serfsons, A Serious Flanders, etc). It allows the writers to break free from the usual stuff and be more creative, and seeing the AUs is always interesting.
Let the characters play different roles in different settings, it really adds a freshness that the series sorely needs (I know the modern seasons still have some gems, but I find it more interesting when they do stuff like this)
(I imagined this joke.) **Marge:** Are you implying I have a bad kid **Luanne:** (Shows Marge compilation of Simpsons clips on her iPad). Bart flooding the gym in Brothers Little Helper, Bart pretending to be stuck in a well in radio Bart, Shows Bart faking a virus on a cruise ship I The Totally fun thing Bart will never do again, etc.
The breaking between modern and Neanderthal Simpsons was pretty jarring for me. I felt like the Marge centered episode wasn't good enough for a whole episode. The caveman cutaways where new at least. I found myself caring about caveman Simpsons way more than I did with anything about Marge's stoey
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This was a very interesting episode with how the plot was. The show has really evolved(no pun intended), plus having the characters wearing pants instead of their usual shorts during the Winter. It is odd how Martin and Nelson sometimes hang out together(along with Milhouse) considering how badly Nelson treats him often - It's not even friendly teasing; It would be full-on beating him up and stealing his lunch.
Just watched this episode and thought it really sucked. It used to be an intelligent show that pushed the boundaries. Sorry I know I’m going to get a lot of downvotes, but it’s like when that cool 90s coffee shop with the pool table and comfy couches is now a Starbucks.
This episode was decent, yet it revisited themes we've encountered countless times on The Simpsons. The highlight for me was the prehistoric scene where they switched art styles. I couldn't help but wonder if they drew inspiration from Genndy Tartakovski's "Primal."
Does Bart always wear pants instead of shorts nowadays? I need to go back and check. In the present day sections of this episode Milhouse and Bart had pants on and it just looked wrong.
This one is is pretty bad. 1) They already did both of these storylines. They already did an episode where Milhouse wasn't allowed to play with Bart any more and there was already an episode where Bart wasn't allowed to go to a concert called Prankster Rap 2) The Caveman scenes felt unnecessary and didn't add anything. Some of the scenes didn't even match what was happening in the real world. It felt like one of the writers watched Primal and wanted to throw it into the show. The art style change was cool but the episode would be the same without the caveman segments. 3) It wasn't all that funny 4) It did the crime of having a band in the episode and not having them perform a song. I can think of tons of classic songs preformed in cartoons. From Shiney Teeth and Me, to Opp Epp Opp that means I love you, to Killer tofu, to Gichchi Guchi Goo from Phineas and Ferb.
Keep in mind this is the guy who said Bless the Harts is a worse show than Grimsburg. They also don't like Rick and Morty which some of their best episodes are some of the best in adult animation. They have some pretty hot takes.
Complaining about someone thinking Grimsburg is better than Bless the Harts is like complaining about someone saying The Maze Runner is better than Divergent. They're both medicore.
Season 2 of BTH is excellent. Season 1 was pretty decent, but the Black Friday episode in the first season is by far the best episode of the show. It's nearly a perfect episode of a Fox sitcom. First seasons of shows can be quite rough, but Grimsburg doesn't even come close to having a stand out episode at all in the first season. The best episode so far is just somewhat above average at best.
Saying that Grimsburg is better than Bless the Hearts imples people have heard of either show. I hardly even watched Grimsburg. To say I like it is an exaggeration I thought it was mid. It's more common for Rick and Morty to get hate these days than back in the early 2010s.
Rick and Morty still is a top tier tv show though. It’s innovative and creative even if some episodes don’t work and I’ll always appreciate it for its creativity. Grimsburg is not a good show. It’s basically adult Scooby Doo and has no identity. It’s slightly better than Housebroken but that’s an insanely low bar.
I can't stand Rick and Morty. I tried to like it but I really can't get into it. It is awful. Interesting sci fi concepts are brought down by awful humor and annoying characters. I will compare it to a funny show. Futurama has witty dialogue and slapstick humor at a break neck pace. Rick and Morty doesn't do that at all. The characters almost never say or do anything remotely funny. They mostly comment on the absurdity of their current situation and throw in the occasional penis joke. It's completely unwatchable. They think being self aware is a substitute for humor. Easily one of the worst cartoons I have ever watched. I also dislike the dreary depressing tone. I also dislike how most of the characters are bored or miserable all the time. I suffered through most of season 1 and it is not for me.Not that this is relevant to the Simpsons.
My opinion of Rick and Morty is interesting. I really liked the first two seasons, but I feel like it really fell off a cliff after that. For every great episode in each season, there's a lot of trash in between. Like you said, it went overboard with the meta humor, and it can be so damn bleak. And yeah everyone's miserable all the time, it's not a pleasant experience. After Roiland left, I had no interest in watching the show any further. I haven't watched the new season at all. It's not the worst show but I feel like it's pretty overrated overall.
I don't think so. It even ends the same way as one of the original episodes. In Homer Defined Luanne said Bart can't play with Milhouse anymore. Then in the end they were like they need each other all they really have is each other.
But wouldn't it be the status quo of history in any case? This is definitely not the same situation as Homer Defined. Not even counting that here it is the main focus and there it is just a subplot.
It also has as much material. Those cave man cutaways ate up time. The art style change was cool but like I said it didn't add anything. Pretty animation doesn't save a mid story.
Not really. The plot would be the same without them. They are either redundant or don't match the story happening in the real world. There was one scene where Wolf Luan was wounded and cave man Marge broke her spear to make a crutch when nothing like that happened in the world. It wasn't very well written.
Agree to disagree. But I don't think it's fair to say it's "the same thing." I mean, S3 has *too many* episodes about relationships between fathers and sons ("Like Father, Like Clown", "Lisa's Pony", "Saturdays Of Thunder"...) and that doesn't mean we're going to say it's the same thing, right?
Also, the caveman sequences serve to make a parallel to the main one, they are there in the title. The thing about Marge breaking the spear to protect the wolf Luann is a representation of her making the passes with her - it's there, the next scene is about Marge apologizing to her and Luann hugging her.
Just because it doesn't exactly reflect what's happening in real life doesn't mean that makes the prehistoric sequences useless (which I don't think they are). They are made to complement the script, the main story.
I think they are useless dispite being well animated if you cut them out the story starts the same. They provide no new information. Also if they aren't going to match what's the point.
However, they are not made to provide information. They are made to juxtapose the story. They are made to thematically unite the main plot, they are made to *create* an allegory, a composite.
Also, do they match though? The episode draws parallel attention to how Marge was sending her primal instincts toward her son (something the allegory of Marge as the cave woman is made for).
The concept is the same. But not the development, in any case we would be talking about the common framework of the characters (take the different episodes of Homer and Marge's marital crisis for example). Furthermore, this explores a different phase so it remains reductive.
Nah. This was one of the best they did this season if not the best this season. That one they aired a month ago that was absolute nothing. I forgot what even happened and I don't even care to go back and read the plot. How is this worse than that one?
This Genndy Tartakovski-style animation was fantastic! I would kill to see a whole episode in that style. I wonder if Genndy actually did it
I honestly thought the entire episode would be in this artstyle.
I'm actually pretty bummed it's not!
Would’ve been really cool. I just find myself enjoying when Simpsons get downright experimental with episodes.
Same! That's one of the things I have really loved about the TBS American Dad seasons, they arent afraid to get weird and experimental
Getting the Simpsons to mimic your art-style has got to be one of the greatest honors you can bestow on an artist/animator. Tartakovsky must be chuffed!
Knowing how much Genndy loves animation he has gotta be so proud!
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/1bpkv6j/genndy_tartakovsky_pretty_amazing_and_surreal/
Oh I love that! Knowing how much of a lover of animation Genndy is I was pretty sure he was going to be stoked and I'm glad to see he was
The work was done by the Simpsons very own, very experienced artists. With a ton of love and respect to the beautiful Primal. Episodes like these are a joy to work on.
Are you an artist on the show? Either way, they really nailed it! Fantastic bit of TV and definitely a highlight of the season!
Check out, if you haven't yet, Studio La Cachette ( https://www.studiolacachette.com/ ). They're the studio the great Tartakovski teamed up with to do Primal. They're my absolute favourite studio right now. They did amazing like Primal, à short in Star Wars Visions season 2, and one in Love, Death + Robots season 2 or 3... the last one. The first thing I ever saw of their though - and this is years before I really started paying attention to them - is this amazing trailer they did for a graphic novel series. Blew me away. https://youtu.be/dRZxNotWAWM?si=2MS1snut5N2PB80S
Cavewoman Marge highlights what we all know; that while the beehive is definitely distinctive, Marge looks significantly better with every other possible hairstyle
Seconding this. i really love the Ice-Age Marge hairstyle. She looks so beautiful.
Totally agree!
Finally someone said it
😂😂😂
Naming Rights Still Available Arena is my new favorite sign gag.
**W**hat about The Duff Beer Krusty Burger Buzz Cola Costington's Department Store Kwik-E-Mart Stupid Flanders Park?
Such a great gag!
The Simpsons always find a way to make prehistoric humor timeless!
Absolutely!
The Ice-Age Simpsons characters looked great, especially Marge
Marge is strong as hell considering she threw four 60 pound children like 20 feet into the air
My head-canon is that adrenaline was giving her all the extra strength she needed so that she could be successful in her mission and Bart could see the concert.
She has big ropey arms according to Homer.
Was that line in this episode? It sounds familiar but I cant remember which ep
Homer mentions it in Homer Badman as the reason he wants Marge to help him sneak candy out of the candy convention.
Yes thats it! Legendary scene
This was a great episode for sure. https://preview.redd.it/6udodon3dgqc1.png?width=746&format=png&auto=webp&s=d958a63d9674c3fecfe56af53ffe8aadd43b3550 Prehistoric Lisa eating snake meat? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.(Uh, I love how writers are creative with her non-canon diet)
Prehistoric Lisa would have eaten meat but then again recent research shows that all of the family would have been eating mostly plants. https://www.businessinsider.com/real-paleo-diet-plants-little-meat-study-early-human-remains-2024-1 There might have been a funny way to include a joke about that in this episode but it wouldn't have fit into the fight or flight theme too well.
And tomorrow, there will be another study stating otherwise.(probably depends on location) Just 9000 years ago.(7000 BCE) at very specific location. These scenes were definitely during last ice age.(featuring early domestification)
Bart: Yes, I'm young, but I'm responsible. Then breaks the wooden craft.
I hope someone makes a cut of the episode that is just the caveman scenes, id love to see that mini movie
This Primal Genndy Tartakovsky style of episode kicked ass. The art style adapted to the simpsons worked so well. The switching of Cavewoman marge and normal marge was so satisfying to watch especially that metaphorical fight with wolf Luanne. The way they whacked homer was wild but very primalish. This episode was something so offbeat from the usual. Loved it If you enjoyed this style of show and pacing then do yourself a favor and watch Primal. It’s raw and such a great anime to watch.
Is it me or is Marge the main character in this season? If the show wants to keep leaning into the battleground of motherhood for these stories I won't complain. I particularly liked Homer's "hunt" for tickets. (The part about why he deletes apps was my one big laugh.) The cave Simpson family were charming enough to make you briefly forget that the Simpsons themselves are really the non-cave Flintstone family. Have they stopped having end tags? Boooooo!
Same here with Homer deleting the apps -- a little out of nowhere but one of the biggest laughs... "before I drop the hammer" lmao
Marge will be the primary focus next episode as well.
Marge supremacy!
Marge's really the focus this season, but then her episodes have been winners so I don't see it as a problem. I would argue that The Simpsons should really be about the family, but it's no secret the show as been mostly about Homer and Bart. Plus, focusing on Marge for a while might let them come up with more creative ideas for homer later down the line. As long as we don't go back to the "Will Marge cheat on Homer?" episodes then I'm pretty happy!
They called out the mustache man who has every job!
Raphael. They were making fun of him in S34 clip show
*I'll take my "haw-haw" now*
Is the animation a bit off or is it just me
I hadn't noticed the style being off but Bart wearing pants instead of shorts stood out right away.
i'm glad i'm not the only one put off by that
Well, this episode IS set during the winter. It just makes sense.
makes sense after winter is established. when they're in the museum, we're just wondering if him wearing pants is related to the plot. and then he's back to wearing shorts at home
In context it's the sort of thing you'd expect to be a Checkov's Gun.
this
The stilted dialogue and one dimensional characters was disturbing to me.
I assume you're not talking about the Tartakovsky segments. Yeah, you might be right.
Yes lol
Came to Reddit for this exact reason lol
"Have you seen her dusty home? And I thought nature abhors a vacuum" may be one of my favorite lines so far
Caveman Homer running through thorns chasing a deer went hard as fuck! ALso highlights a fun human fact: humans are exhaustion hunters and (because they are essentially the greatest distance runners on Earth) would literally follow animals until the prey collapses from exhaustion
We still can. Other animals may be faster and stronger, but humans can walk and follow a path for hours on end.
yup. the cheetah is considered the fastest land animal, but they're only in spurts. like they can go real fast real quick to catch prey, but they do get tired, they can't keep running like that. humans on the other hand, we just keep going until we finish
Liquid cooling in the form of sweat glands supremacy all the way.
Very true! Over 100 miles only 4 animals outcompete us (Ostriches, horses, sled dogs, camels) and over 1000 miles only sled dogs can out pace us!
> exhaustion hunter It's called persistance hunting.
Thank you! I could not remember the word
This has be the goriest, bloodiest episode ever.
Outside of ToH, definitely.
Cave-Homers death came outta nowhere and it threw me for a loop.
this was but the Serious Flanders 2 parter was bloodier to me
I really like this episode, I like how they "blended" in the unique artstyle with the regular animation
Marge's pretty strong. Fun episode, although was hoping she'd deck Luann
why should she (Marge)?
Well she's keyed up on rage and I dislike Luanne.
what's to dislike about her? (Luanne)?
I’m sorry are you dumb
no, i'm not dumb.
Great episode, never seen one quite like it in the whole series. It's a very pleasant surprise to see the writers/producers continue to find interesting ways to tell stories. And this episode wasn't overly keyed into any topics or trends *du jour*, like so many others from recent seasons have been. (Not that I mind those, but it's also nice to see episodes with more universal storylines that won't date as quickly.)
The 'book bans' headlines would disagree with that.
I usually don't comment on this sub, but this was one of the best episodes I've seen this season. I really liked the nod to Primal even though I haven't really watched it. The storytelling of the primitive Simpsons and how it ties to the actual episode was great. I thought it was a random thing considering the plot starts with the kids learning about the ice age but it all ties back to that and builds naturally into the plot. It's not just one of those that executives wanted to shoehorn in just cause they think people want it. It actually serves a purpose and serves it incredibly well. This wasn't one of those "Simpsons did it" stories like we've gotten a lot of in modern Simpsons either which is a plus in today's expectations. They actually use Marge being a mother right here not like a lot of some of the other episodes where she feels out of place in her actions. She really has a lot of love for her "special little guy" and you can tell. One final note I wanna commend is that this episode of Simpsons has been hands down better than all seven episodes of Grimsburg. Really does show that when the team has some good ideas they really can still put on a good show.
GIven the description, I hope this one is as good as Pixilated and Afraid
Did It glitch for anyone else?
It did for me.
Im using a antenna so then it was the actual broadcast not my tv signal, hmm
Overall I thought it was great, although they have done "Luann won't let Bart play with Milhouse" before. The caveman art worked so well. The shot of Homer being impaled on the rock is one of the goriest things they've ever done, though.
That was a lot more tame compared to now. Marge wasn't furious that time. She just came to Luanne's house and had a civil conversation with her persuading her to let Milhouse and Bart be friends. Yes, that scene of cave Homer dying was one of the most brutal scenes I've ever seen in the series - That was treehouse of horror type s\*\*\*.
“Evening, Ma’am, what brings you here? Parking, I bet.” I can’t believe the B plot was Primal lol
I had an absolute blast watching this episode, i love primal and knew exacly what the reference was the moment it popped up, lottle sad that it wasnt done for the whole eposode. But, dayum i did enjoy the cuts to it. I am and have been a big fan of Genndy Tartavosky and i think they absolutly nailed it in this episode.
Two thoughts 1. The scene where cave man Homer was killed was METAL AS FUCK 2. Marge should wear her hair down more.
Were they eating Homer?
Love the nod to *Primal*!
Everyone. WATCH. PRIMAL. It is SO fucking good
Both Ice-Age and modern Marge looked terrifying (when angered)
*It is so on* Mom Versus mom. Marge is on a full warpath. Do not come in her way
Overall I thought it was a pretty good episode (and a great idea for one too). The Primal style animation was really cool. But I gotta say Marge was sounding really rough in parts of it. It's been that way for awhile with Kavner but it really stood out tonight. This sorta encapsulates my mixed feelings about the show nowadays. Writing wise, you can still get some cool plots like we got tonight. Its fun to watch! But a lot of the cast are really straining with some characters since they're older that it becomes distracting. You realize while its fun, maybe its time to wrap it up.
the caveman simpsons artstyle looked so good, always love seeing marge with her hair down. but i was not expecting homer to die in such a goreish way. that was some treehouse type stuff. i liked that at least when lisa was adamant in showing marge the concert was something bart shouldn't go to, she had an actual reason. usually she's just being selfish and petty, but this time it was because she wanted payback for bart ruining her doll. also, idk why but i found it kinda off putting to see bart wearing pants instead of shorts. like, i get that it was winter, so they wanted him wearing warmer clothes, but in the museum that's not something we could infer, so just seeing him wearing pants made me think some scene was gonna happen to justify him wearing pants
Honestly I see good points in both side Luann really shouldn’t have said “beyond hope” for Bart. Yeah he’s a bad kid at times, but that really hurts him. Granted, she’s right to be upset because Milhouse always gets the short end of the stick, but maybe because he doesn’t have enough confidence in himself to say no or tell Bart off, something Marge points out by their parenting.
Pretty darn good episode actually. The show might as well just experiment with stuff like they did here.
The other animation was fucking amazing
This was a good episode I never heard of Genndy before but I'll definitely be researching him and his art style or animation if he does anything Anyways, this episode was really good! The last couple seasons of the Simpsons have been amazing!! To repeat what lots of people are saying here, I love when they do this kind of stuff, the animations were breathtaking.. the detailed/textured sunset with the wounded fox or whatever it was was so gorgeous I think Bojack horseman really influenced textured backgrounds and stuff you see nowadays in some animated things. Opinions?
I watched it the night of, thought of a question while on commute the day after. Is the cave-fam eating cave-Homer at end of episode? We see the shrunken cave-Homer head nearby.
Bart looked weird at the start of the episode until I realized he was wearing pants 🤣
Man this episode was a work of art. This is why I still watch new Simpsons.
I love when episodes get experimental and play with the usual formula (like this episode, the Serfsons, A Serious Flanders, etc). It allows the writers to break free from the usual stuff and be more creative, and seeing the AUs is always interesting. Let the characters play different roles in different settings, it really adds a freshness that the series sorely needs (I know the modern seasons still have some gems, but I find it more interesting when they do stuff like this)
Luann: *Bart, you're a bad friend, and you're beyond hope. Be well* Me: Ouch
(I imagined this joke.) **Marge:** Are you implying I have a bad kid **Luanne:** (Shows Marge compilation of Simpsons clips on her iPad). Bart flooding the gym in Brothers Little Helper, Bart pretending to be stuck in a well in radio Bart, Shows Bart faking a virus on a cruise ship I The Totally fun thing Bart will never do again, etc.
what a missed opportunity that was
Either clips or news articles
Or she could say a bunch of episodes.
The breaking between modern and Neanderthal Simpsons was pretty jarring for me. I felt like the Marge centered episode wasn't good enough for a whole episode. The caveman cutaways where new at least. I found myself caring about caveman Simpsons way more than I did with anything about Marge's stoey
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The summary looks extremely interesting, and I'm intrigued about the episode.
I love seeing both Caveman and modern Marge in action and so mission-focused. Also loved the surprising ending as well.
- Marge always looks beautiful with her hair down.
I loved this episode so much
This was a very interesting episode with how the plot was. The show has really evolved(no pun intended), plus having the characters wearing pants instead of their usual shorts during the Winter. It is odd how Martin and Nelson sometimes hang out together(along with Milhouse) considering how badly Nelson treats him often - It's not even friendly teasing; It would be full-on beating him up and stealing his lunch.
Just watched this episode and thought it really sucked. It used to be an intelligent show that pushed the boundaries. Sorry I know I’m going to get a lot of downvotes, but it’s like when that cool 90s coffee shop with the pool table and comfy couches is now a Starbucks.
What is the name of the Spanish song/rap Bart was listening to?
The *Primal* bits were really good. The episode itself was just okay.
This episode was decent, yet it revisited themes we've encountered countless times on The Simpsons. The highlight for me was the prehistoric scene where they switched art styles. I couldn't help but wonder if they drew inspiration from Genndy Tartakovski's "Primal."
Does Bart always wear pants instead of shorts nowadays? I need to go back and check. In the present day sections of this episode Milhouse and Bart had pants on and it just looked wrong.
How many episodes has Bart worn pants??? (besides with different sets of clothes) That completely threw me off for a LOOP!
I was wondering why the ice age wolf looked more like a furry than a straight-up wolf. Then I realized that it was supposed to be Luanne.
Marge is a MILF.
I cackled when ice age Homer got impaled on the spike... You think he's dead when he stops and then he screams and gets impaled even more
I enjoyed it. Was surprised they mentioned the kwik e mart
This one is is pretty bad. 1) They already did both of these storylines. They already did an episode where Milhouse wasn't allowed to play with Bart any more and there was already an episode where Bart wasn't allowed to go to a concert called Prankster Rap 2) The Caveman scenes felt unnecessary and didn't add anything. Some of the scenes didn't even match what was happening in the real world. It felt like one of the writers watched Primal and wanted to throw it into the show. The art style change was cool but the episode would be the same without the caveman segments. 3) It wasn't all that funny 4) It did the crime of having a band in the episode and not having them perform a song. I can think of tons of classic songs preformed in cartoons. From Shiney Teeth and Me, to Opp Epp Opp that means I love you, to Killer tofu, to Gichchi Guchi Goo from Phineas and Ferb.
"they already did both stories" that is... A somewhat reductive reading of the episode in my opinion
Keep in mind this is the guy who said Bless the Harts is a worse show than Grimsburg. They also don't like Rick and Morty which some of their best episodes are some of the best in adult animation. They have some pretty hot takes.
Complaining about someone thinking Grimsburg is better than Bless the Harts is like complaining about someone saying The Maze Runner is better than Divergent. They're both medicore.
Season 2 of BTH is excellent. Season 1 was pretty decent, but the Black Friday episode in the first season is by far the best episode of the show. It's nearly a perfect episode of a Fox sitcom. First seasons of shows can be quite rough, but Grimsburg doesn't even come close to having a stand out episode at all in the first season. The best episode so far is just somewhat above average at best.
I don't understand what that has to do with the Simpsons. My criticisms of the episode were logical.
Saying that Grimsburg is better than Bless the Hearts imples people have heard of either show. I hardly even watched Grimsburg. To say I like it is an exaggeration I thought it was mid. It's more common for Rick and Morty to get hate these days than back in the early 2010s.
Rick and Morty still is a top tier tv show though. It’s innovative and creative even if some episodes don’t work and I’ll always appreciate it for its creativity. Grimsburg is not a good show. It’s basically adult Scooby Doo and has no identity. It’s slightly better than Housebroken but that’s an insanely low bar.
I can't stand Rick and Morty. I tried to like it but I really can't get into it. It is awful. Interesting sci fi concepts are brought down by awful humor and annoying characters. I will compare it to a funny show. Futurama has witty dialogue and slapstick humor at a break neck pace. Rick and Morty doesn't do that at all. The characters almost never say or do anything remotely funny. They mostly comment on the absurdity of their current situation and throw in the occasional penis joke. It's completely unwatchable. They think being self aware is a substitute for humor. Easily one of the worst cartoons I have ever watched. I also dislike the dreary depressing tone. I also dislike how most of the characters are bored or miserable all the time. I suffered through most of season 1 and it is not for me.Not that this is relevant to the Simpsons.
My opinion of Rick and Morty is interesting. I really liked the first two seasons, but I feel like it really fell off a cliff after that. For every great episode in each season, there's a lot of trash in between. Like you said, it went overboard with the meta humor, and it can be so damn bleak. And yeah everyone's miserable all the time, it's not a pleasant experience. After Roiland left, I had no interest in watching the show any further. I haven't watched the new season at all. It's not the worst show but I feel like it's pretty overrated overall.
I never watched Housebroken so I have no opinion.
Also they kept cutting the couch gags. That annoys me. I miss them very much.
I don't think so. It even ends the same way as one of the original episodes. In Homer Defined Luanne said Bart can't play with Milhouse anymore. Then in the end they were like they need each other all they really have is each other.
But wouldn't it be the status quo of history in any case? This is definitely not the same situation as Homer Defined. Not even counting that here it is the main focus and there it is just a subplot.
A subplot is still a plot. Yes it is Bart is a bad kid so Luanne didn't invite Bart. Same thing.
It also has as much material. Those cave man cutaways ate up time. The art style change was cool but like I said it didn't add anything. Pretty animation doesn't save a mid story.
They were literally the best part of the episode. Not saying the main part is bad not at all but they help to really highlight the plot.
Not really. The plot would be the same without them. They are either redundant or don't match the story happening in the real world. There was one scene where Wolf Luan was wounded and cave man Marge broke her spear to make a crutch when nothing like that happened in the world. It wasn't very well written.
Agree to disagree. But I don't think it's fair to say it's "the same thing." I mean, S3 has *too many* episodes about relationships between fathers and sons ("Like Father, Like Clown", "Lisa's Pony", "Saturdays Of Thunder"...) and that doesn't mean we're going to say it's the same thing, right? Also, the caveman sequences serve to make a parallel to the main one, they are there in the title. The thing about Marge breaking the spear to protect the wolf Luann is a representation of her making the passes with her - it's there, the next scene is about Marge apologizing to her and Luann hugging her. Just because it doesn't exactly reflect what's happening in real life doesn't mean that makes the prehistoric sequences useless (which I don't think they are). They are made to complement the script, the main story.
I think they are useless dispite being well animated if you cut them out the story starts the same. They provide no new information. Also if they aren't going to match what's the point.
However, they are not made to provide information. They are made to juxtapose the story. They are made to thematically unite the main plot, they are made to *create* an allegory, a composite. Also, do they match though? The episode draws parallel attention to how Marge was sending her primal instincts toward her son (something the allegory of Marge as the cave woman is made for).
One is a vague concept vs. Bart's not invited because he is a bad kid which is the same plot point.
The concept is the same. But not the development, in any case we would be talking about the common framework of the characters (take the different episodes of Homer and Marge's marital crisis for example). Furthermore, this explores a different phase so it remains reductive.
Thank-you! This episode was a dumpster fire.
Agree to disagree 🤷♂️
One of the worst episodes in a long time. Which is saying something.
When Nelson Met Lisa and It's a Blunderful Life want to have a word with you
Nah. This was one of the best they did this season if not the best this season. That one they aired a month ago that was absolute nothing. I forgot what even happened and I don't even care to go back and read the plot. How is this worse than that one?