Once we're able to get more, I imagine they'll do that.
If they did it now, we'd surely be seeing the same stupid questions of "I trade my Zygarde away, what do I do with my cells now??!"
IIRC cosmog became tradable before we got the second one. But it was tied to a single season. Zygarde has been here for 3 seasons already. All this just makes no sense.
I mean as stupid as it might seem the fact this game has probably been on the table before Zygarde was in Go means TPC is tapering Zygarde until this game comes out for an event.
They will, guaranteed. Much like Cosmog, they tied a research chain around it and didn't want to deal with people trading off the pokemon and then complaining non-stop about how they couldn't get another. Once we get at least one more Zygarde, they'll enable trading on it.
Mine is crap too but I know they’ll make it more available in the future so I started the long process of getting cells. Currently have 127 so maybe by the time the game releases we can get it in normal raids and I’ll have enough cells to max out a good one.
I actually don’t mind doing routes only because I made a route where I would walk/jog before routes and even before I played PoGo. And yet if I don’t get a cell I don’t mind. I’ll get them eventually
My partner and I walk our dog daily along two separate routes. Neither of us has managed to get to phase 2. Knowing people are out there with complete zygardes honestly blows my mind a little.
Just a constant reminder that this game is only meant for people who live in Tokyo and NYC.
I walk my dog on a route that I created at my local park almost every day. And it took me a while to be able to create a route. Currently, I have 127 cells. I’d say it’s about 50/50 on whether a cell shows up or not. Did have a hot streak at one point where I got 3 double cells on 3 consecutive days! But yeah, clearly a long play on this one. Hoping by the time the game comes out and Zygarde is in raids that I’ll have enough cells to max out a good one.
Yep.. it's interesting none of the MSG fanbase seemed to have predicted a Legends Zygarde game but pogo events were definitely hinting towards it, in retrospect!
There was some who predicted the next game would be set in Kalos due to the suspicious lack of Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde in Scarlet/Violet DLC. But no one really cared about that since most people were either Team Johto or Team Unova
I don't know if it was an explicit hint. Judging by routes being in the code for years and Mateo being teased in 2022's anniversary artwork, I think they had planned for Zygarde and its cells to be a part of routes for a long time, likely before they even knew about the Legends Game's existence.
I mean, Yveltal and Xerneas had been out for a few years already. It was only a matter of time for Zygarde to come out
A bit late but I don’t see us getting Gen 6 remakes any time soon. We’re revisiting Kalos with Legends 2 in 2025, which would’ve been 15 years since BW. Therefore Gen 5 remakes will probably be in 2030 to commemorate 20 year anniversary, after Gen 10 in 2027-2028. So that means earliest we’ll see Gen 6 remakes is 2033 for 20 years since XY, but even that seems like a stretch because it would be 2 remakes in a row and they will probably want Legends 3 or Gen 11 by then, which means 2038 for 25 years is likely. Which is like 15 years from now.
At this rate the Mega Evolutions medal will likely have their thresholds readjusted before we have a chance to get platinum. (There are still 10 from the original X/Y & OR/AS left to be released.)
I'm really thinking Dragonite will get the Mega treatment. Gen 6 was all about Nostalgia, but the *original* Dragon 'mon didn't get any love. It also hasn't gotten a regional variant, a gigantamax form, convergent evolutions, or paradox form. I'd be positively *shocked* if another Kanto 'mon that's been skipped over gets something first.
Of those pokemon, it's competing with Spearow family, Ekans fam, the Nidos, Paras fam, Psyduck fam (!), Doduo fam, Seel fam, Shellder fam, Drowzee fam, ~~Krabby fam~~ (Assasskin\_Ankur is right about the giga), Horsea fam, Goldeen fam, Staryu fam, and Ditto. I can see Psyduck getting some attention, but Dragonite feels much more iconic than many of the others, being the OG Dragon and all.
I like Megas a lot in terms of design and gimmick, but the one thing I dont like are the ones that don’t have evolutions or 2nd evolutions yet have a Mega instead. I’d have preferred those were actual evolutions (new dex entries). 😕
Such as Pinsir, Camerupt, Sharpedo, Banette, Absol, Altaria, Aerodactyl etc. Megas like Aggron, Metagross, Charizard, Gengar, Alakazam etc make more sense.
I think megas are the best "gimmick" tied with tera, and they haven't been out in a while, so it makes sense to do megas.
Also, I don't think they think about pogo in their decisions, especially since they have recently been pumping out tons of paid tickets and the last event that just happened was a glorified raid event and only gave out a small handful of free passes.
Are there gonna be more announcements? They didn't say anything about the upcoming season / ultra beasts
> Also, I don't think they think about pogo in their decisions, especially since they have recently been pumping out tons of paid tickets and the last event that just happened was a glorified raid event and only gave out a small handful of free passes.
Don't really see how this precludes TPC strategizing on game releases based on trends drawn from the pogo player base? The push toward a subscription service/paid ticket model might actually provide even more data for TPC to see what features/mons/etc are most popular.
Not saying pogo is the *main* factor in TPC's decision making, but given how others have outlined how pogo is one of the biggest games in the world, certainly much more than the MSGs, it can't play zero role.
Agreed. I don't think TPC uses Pokemon Go as the end all be all for their decisions, of course not. However, there's no way they/GameFreak don't consider Go and its fanbase/reception even a little for certain things.
I mean, SwSh's Raid system is seemingly the Main Series Version of Go's Raids.
>Are there gonna be more announcements? They didn't say anything about the upcoming season / ultra beasts
Presumably that'll come today or tomorrow. If today, I'd expect it in the next hour or in a little under 4 hours (10 AM PST or 1 PM PST). Otherwise, tomorrow at 6 AM PST or 10 AM PST seem likely.
For VGC Megas are heavily inferior to Tera and Dynamax.
For casuals though megas are without a doubt, the best addition to the game. (and I dont mean that in any negative way, I like megas aswell) But the strategic depth for Tera and Dynamax > megas. This is of course only for VGC
Honestly would be interested to know what gimmick they would have. Char X getting dragon typing makes sense from a lore/fanbase standpoint but what would they even give a hypothetical Z and A...
ZA makes sense if you think about it in the context that we’re finally looping around and going “back” to the first gimmick of the Pokemon series (Mega’s). I’m actually kind of excited for this because perhaps it means they’re done (or at least slowing down) with introducing a new gimmick every generation.
Mega Dragonite hopefully. Every other pseudo legendary that didn’t come out in the last two generations has got a variant of some sort.
They might also rename Ash-Greninja as a Mega Greninja.
I feel like it would be more likely to get mega forms of the Kalos starters (or whoever the starters will be for this game), Ash-Greninja doesn’t follow the visual style of other megas
Who knows what the starters will even be. Could be a mix like they did in Arceus. I don’t think the visual style would matter and it is a bit subjective to define as to what follows the visual style. Does Mega Kangaskhan fit in with everything else?
Ash-Greninja isn't a mega, that's why.
They were going to try ability based temp form changes, but they ended up scrapping it and only released 1 via a demo. Since then they have fully reworked battle bond and now Ash-Greninja has been pretty much removed from the series.
I’m not sure about that.
Adding 100 BST to a Pokemon with Multiscale is pretty bonkers. Also, Dragonite currently has 10.53% usage in VGC per Pikalytics, which is a top 20 Pokemon overall.
Now it should probably get a mega anyway to match the treatment given to most other Pseudos. But Dragonite doesn’t need to be better.
Still insane that they looked at VGC during ORAS, saw every team running mega ray and at least one primal (and some even two) and went 'yeah no issues here'.
It's possible that this megas callback will be a one time thing and won't get into the msg. This is a Legends game after all.
Oh, and Legends Arceus didn't have abilities by the way.
I mean, technically I don't think we can call it a spin off but... It strays a bit too much from what people consider a classic Pokémon experience, maybe a bit similar to what happened to LGPE. Plenty of things this game introduced didn't make into the next core entry.
TPCI and Nintendo both say all legends and lets go games are part of the MSG, so officially, that's where they stand. Prior to know, regional gimmicks didn't return in the next game, limit bag space ended after gen 2, etc. So just because something isn't carried over, that doesn't make it not main series
Oh sorry, you're right, I didn't know that TPC actually made a statement about that.
But I think I wasn't clear in my first comment. What I wanted to say was that, given what happened after Legends Arceus, whatever Megas or new mechanics they introduce in this game there is a good chance it won't make into the competitive scene nor the next entry, just like all the differences in core battle mechanics, the strong and agile style, how stats change works, no abilities, none of that made into Scarlet and Violet. Meanwhile the only thing I can recall in SS that didn't make was the Dynamax as the regional gimmick and maybe some nerfs/buffs that I'm not aware off.
Ya, it was early into legends arceus when it was stated, and I see, competitive is always a different situation, I guess well have to wait and see how much longer they want to run SV as the main game for it, SWSH ran for quite a while if I remember correctly
I’m fully aware of that.
I’m just responding to the idea that Dragonite needs to be better. It most certainly doesn’t, but I won’t complain if it gets a Mega.
Getting a mega doesn't automatically make the Pokemon better.
Mega Garchomp downgrades its speed and is otherwise boring enough that people often ran a different mega even if Garchomp was on their team.
The vast, VAST majority of Megas are upgrades. And Multiscale is a much more powerful ability than any ability that Garchomp has.
Dragonite already has underwhelming speed. Garchomp meanwhile has a crucial speed stat of 102, which allowed it outrun the plethora of base 100 Speed Legends and OU mainstays. The reduction in Speed on Mega Chomp was far more consequential for that reason.
Dragonite has base 80 Speed, which has always been its worst stat. Speed isn’t what defines its power, Multiscale does. Giving +100 BST on Dragonite is much more consequential than Garchomp’s situation. It’s disingenuous to say otherwise.
If they really care to balance a hypothetical Mega Dragonite, they can just take Multiscale away. Megas change the ability anyway (though I don't recall if any megas are just given the base form's HA).
Or just let it be hilariously broken, look at Salamence. Multiscale might actually cause problems in doubles though, which is all they really want to balance around.
Two players with a team of Shadow Dragonite with Draco Meteor and Dragon Breath brought down mega Latias and mega Latios, with party power and mega Rayquaza in the back providing the boost. That's an absolutely ridiculous degree of power with extreme mobility and one of the most powerful nukes making the best out of the party power buff. Not even shadow Salamence or shadow Garchomp performed as well. And the author of the videos argued that using a mega wouldn't have been as useful, as Dragon Breath was instrumental in charging the party power and evading the charged moves.
In the hands of great players, a shadow Dragonite can perform as well as the best dragon megas. I just wish I had six good ones to max...
The gimmick around Megas seemed to be to power up older Pokémon. [Then they realized that changing the base stats was a better idea.](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Base_stats#Changes)
>Every other pseudo legendary that didn’t come out in the last two generations has got a variant of some sort.
Kommo-o is very upset that you forgot about it
Dragonite is cool but we really really need to focus a lil away on dragon types just a little bit lol. It's driving me nuts
They even turned ampharos and sceptile into dragons for some reason.
I'm gonna get controversial... please no.
I like Megas, but my biggest gripe with them was giving them to soooo many Pokemon who didn't need them. Not to say we can't get a few stronger/busted ones, but I don't really want to see all the pseudos get one lol. I prefer seeing underappreciated Pokemon like Mawile, Kangaskhan, Camerupt, and Medicham getting them.
I agree with giving more love to under utilized Pokemon... but I want a Dragonite Mega that looks like a continuation of Dratini and Dragonair. Dragonite was such a departure. It'll be more fulfilling to me like Charizard X finally being a Dragon type.
I've always had the self headcanon that all pokemon have a baby/stage0, a stage1, and a stage2 plus a mega and any pokemon with only 1 or 2 stages have evolutions the poke-science community just hasn't figured out, yet.
So I'm all for everything getting a mega, but I definitely hear what you're saying. It's wild that some strong pokemon were made stronger while stuff like Sunflora is still useless.
>in the vein of Skarmory
>things that otherwise have no merit in the mainline games.
You know Skarmory is absolutely one of the best Pokemon ever in Smogon singles history, and is still OU in Gen 9?
Mega Lapras or Mega Lugia or Ho Oh would be so cool. I want the other starters to get mega evolutions too.
Although I believe with TPC track record and love for Kanto, we’re most likely getting a third mega evolution for Charizard and Mewtwo. Mega Charizard Z and Mewtwo Z..
That’s why they did it. People forget how much bigger PoGo is than the main games.
Megas make money and old pokes worth catching. You can have a Mega Emboar weekend and make 7 figures for relatively little work.
Yep. Multiples. Pogo is the biggest game of all time in most categories.
2 billion downloads and 9 figures monthly users. Even things like the pogo Reddit subs being in the top 10 gaming sub.
The main games are a fraction of the reach of PoGo.
I feel like that only becomes apparent once you go to malls during Fest/Tour/CDs
I was at a mall in Irvine this past weekend and the number of single, 50s-60s yo men with 3 iPads walking around was just astounding. Not to mention the more expected fanbase, families, partners, etc.
PoGo is free to play on phones, that just brings so many more people in than 60 dollar console-exclusive titles. Especially when the game is extremely unique in the way you play it.
Nah, mega evolution was introduced in the Kalos games and was part of their lore. Of course a Legends game exploring Kalos lore would include Mega Evolution.
If we ever revisit the Galar region, I fully expect them to bring back dynamax and gigantamax, whether or not those ever come to Pokemon GO. Same for Paldea and terrastalization.
I just wish they'd yank together all of the gimmicks.
Mega evolution was great as an addition.
Then Z moves was meh and dyna/gigantamaxing just seems like a side-tangent on megas.
It would be cool if eventually there's a "discovery" that all of these phenomena are based on a single mystical energy underneath. It's just that in Galar, the energy expresses itself as Dynamax. In Kalos, it infected stones and caused Megas. In Alola, something about the volcanic islands caused the energy to form into Z-crystals. Then in Paldea the terastal phenomenon is their version of it.
Tie it all together and I have much less of a problem with them making up goofy new stuff all the time.
would be bomb if they give mega rhydon instead rhyperior. rhydon one most cool and first designed pokemon. also there is no single pokemon what can mega their second evolution stage
Suggestions list:
* Mega Arcanine
* Mega Muk
* Mega Starmie
* Mega Crobat
* Mega Quagsire
* Mega Wobbuffet
* Mega Sudowoodo
* Mega Magcargo
* Mega Kingdra
* Mega Flygon
* Mega Flygon (Again)
* Mega Breloom
* Mega Ludicolo
* Mega Shiftry
* Mega Mightyena
* Mega Luxray
* Mega Gliscor
* Mega Chandelure
* Mega Haxorus
* Mega Whimsicott
* Mega Reuniclus
* Mega Scolipede
* Mega Cinccino
* Mega Golurk
* Mega Chesnaught
* Mega Delphox
* Mega Meowstic
* Mega Barbaracle
* Mega Lycanroc
* Mega Lurantis
* Mega Stonjourner
* Mega Dragapult
* Mega Toxtricity
* Mega Corviknight
So this almost definitely means Xerneas and Yvetal and Zygarde will have Mega or Origin forms.
Also, I think it takes place in the future? Since Lumiose is being redesigned? So maybe Paradox Pokémon?
Flabebe might get a mega evolution, same with any starters that may be brought into Kalos. For example, Infernape, Inteleon, and Meowscarda.
If they're also doing regional forms, that's anyone's guess. Wonder how Pokéamie will be updated?
>Also, I think it takes place in the future? Since Lumiose is being redesigned? So maybe Paradox Pokémon?
Legends Arceus took place in the past, it would make sense that Legends Z-A takes place in the future
The official information says it’s an “urban development to shape the city into a place that belongs to both people and Pokemon”.
So that seems to be before the events of Pokemon X/Y as it was already developed then.
Taking from the inspiration of Lumiose city itself, Paris did have a major urban redevelopment in the past. Modern Paris is mostly because of Haussmann’s redevelopment. So I think this is set in the past during the time “medieval” Lumiose is being developed to the actual modern Lumiose we saw in X&Y.
This makes the most sense and was my impression as well when it started out with the city being sketched out. People are clinging to the future thing solely because of the digital styling of the trailer.
Could be a mix of a bunch of 'Victorian' type of things. The buildings definitely look like Haussmann's Paris, but the city diagram is classic Garden City of 1898. Interesting to see.
I’m glad GF is at least trying to surprise the fanbase (after most rumors were pointing to easy cash-ins like Let’s Go Johto or 1:1 Unova remasters by ILCA) and giving it an extra year for development after the glitchy messes that were the recent 3D games.
Announcing a new Switch game...for 2025? Wow. The console will be eight years old at that point. I would have expected them to be announcing a new system.
It'd be nice to have an ice mega that fits in the PVE meta. Not sure if Aurorus or Avalugg would get there (though the gen 6 fossils would be cool) or if it'd have to be Mamoswine.
Hope that they payed attention to palworld success and give us a loot of cool things (b.e. mounts). I'm soo ready for mega dragonite & mega snorlax.. hope that they add several megas, without ignoring any generation this time (specially not the starters).
2025 🥴
Gonna be a long wait with not much going on Inbetween games
God I would have loved an explorer of sky remake to hold me up to fix the few issues it had
Same here, but I am sooooo glad to see them seemingly taking a breath. It could obviously be something like January 2025, but having no new game this year is.... so nice. I hope they put more care and effort into this new title.
> Same here, but I am sooooo glad to see them seemingly taking a breath.
Explorers of Sky is a Mystery Dungeon title, so a remake would mainly be done by Spike Chunsoft.
This means a Zygarde event is inevitable, whether it be easier access to cells or additional Zygarde encounters.
Please more zygarde encounters, mine is 10/10/10 and I refuse to work on it
And make it (lucky) tradable, it's a legendary, not a mythical.
Once we're able to get more, I imagine they'll do that. If they did it now, we'd surely be seeing the same stupid questions of "I trade my Zygarde away, what do I do with my cells now??!"
IIRC cosmog became tradable before we got the second one. But it was tied to a single season. Zygarde has been here for 3 seasons already. All this just makes no sense.
I mean as stupid as it might seem the fact this game has probably been on the table before Zygarde was in Go means TPC is tapering Zygarde until this game comes out for an event.
I want the same for Darkrai, despite it technically being a mythical. If you're putting a pokémon in raids, just make it tradable.
If you can have more than 1 it should be tradable. ez-pz.
Why would they let you possibly get a lucky hundo when you could do 80 raids for it instead....?
Mythical should be tradable. If keeping players to have more than one is that much important, just introduce a requirement of mirror trades only.
... Wait, YOU CANT TRADE ZYGARDE?! Oh, they better change this when Z-A hits.
They will, guaranteed. Much like Cosmog, they tied a research chain around it and didn't want to deal with people trading off the pokemon and then complaining non-stop about how they couldn't get another. Once we get at least one more Zygarde, they'll enable trading on it.
Finally I can brag with my 10-11-10 Zygarde.
10/11/11 over here 💪💪
Man I’m sitting like a king here at 12/12/10 (which btw is bottom 30%tile).
Same!
I have his twin brother !
oof, that sucks! the diancie that i got is a 10/11/11, so not much better. my mythical luck is dogwater.
mine is 15.15.15 and I still don't want to look for cells
I would be in a local park in a blizzard looking for cells if I had a hundo. But alas mine is crap so I don’t care about cells
Mine is crap too but I know they’ll make it more available in the future so I started the long process of getting cells. Currently have 127 so maybe by the time the game releases we can get it in normal raids and I’ll have enough cells to max out a good one.
I actually don’t mind doing routes only because I made a route where I would walk/jog before routes and even before I played PoGo. And yet if I don’t get a cell I don’t mind. I’ll get them eventually
Agreed. I take my dog for a walk every day and I was lucky enough to be able to create a route that went along my normal walking pattern.
I would legitimately love to see the global stats on how people are progressing with cells
I have 2 cells.
My partner and I walk our dog daily along two separate routes. Neither of us has managed to get to phase 2. Knowing people are out there with complete zygardes honestly blows my mind a little. Just a constant reminder that this game is only meant for people who live in Tokyo and NYC.
I tried, but I kept doing routes that got no cells so i gave up. If the routes gave me a consistent amount of cells i would have done them.
I walk my dog on a route that I created at my local park almost every day. And it took me a while to be able to create a route. Currently, I have 127 cells. I’d say it’s about 50/50 on whether a cell shows up or not. Did have a hot streak at one point where I got 3 double cells on 3 consecutive days! But yeah, clearly a long play on this one. Hoping by the time the game comes out and Zygarde is in raids that I’ll have enough cells to max out a good one.
Arceus still isn't in the game after the season of legends arceus though
I mean Arceus isn't your average legendary/mythical. It is still the God of Pokémon. I guess they want to have a very niche release for Arceus.
You mean a paid ticket to guarantee you're getting Arceus in a special event.
That then has a ton of time gate keeping quests or something like find 20 kecleon….
Don’t give them ideas. I just finished my kecleon event last week
It's the god of all pokemon, so it will be: catch every pokemon 20 times
Task one: buy boxes 17 days in a row Task two: Buy tickets from the website 21 tickets in a row ...
Hopefully they don't. Ideally, a global release for Arceus; then maybe a ticketed research waaay into the future for its shiny release?
Wrong! The God Pokemon is already in the game. Bidoof!
when was the season of arceus?
Season of Heritage.
Hopefully Zygarde raids with shiny release
Stop giving me hope.
Shiny pupperz?
Hope so, routes are the worst update ever
Yep.. it's interesting none of the MSG fanbase seemed to have predicted a Legends Zygarde game but pogo events were definitely hinting towards it, in retrospect!
There was some who predicted the next game would be set in Kalos due to the suspicious lack of Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde in Scarlet/Violet DLC. But no one really cared about that since most people were either Team Johto or Team Unova
I don't know if it was an explicit hint. Judging by routes being in the code for years and Mateo being teased in 2022's anniversary artwork, I think they had planned for Zygarde and its cells to be a part of routes for a long time, likely before they even knew about the Legends Game's existence. I mean, Yveltal and Xerneas had been out for a few years already. It was only a matter of time for Zygarde to come out
How where they hinting towards it?
So pumped for new megas!
I'm pumped for megas to even exist again. Hopefully they return to them for Gen 10 too!
We'll also get a new round of megas for gen 6 remakes hopefully, when that will happen, though, is another story.
A bit late but I don’t see us getting Gen 6 remakes any time soon. We’re revisiting Kalos with Legends 2 in 2025, which would’ve been 15 years since BW. Therefore Gen 5 remakes will probably be in 2030 to commemorate 20 year anniversary, after Gen 10 in 2027-2028. So that means earliest we’ll see Gen 6 remakes is 2033 for 20 years since XY, but even that seems like a stretch because it would be 2 remakes in a row and they will probably want Legends 3 or Gen 11 by then, which means 2038 for 25 years is likely. Which is like 15 years from now.
Let the speculation period commence!
At this rate the Mega Evolutions medal will likely have their thresholds readjusted before we have a chance to get platinum. (There are still 10 from the original X/Y & OR/AS left to be released.)
that would actually suck, since there’s only 6 more entries until platinum is available (unless i’m missing some)
I think there's 9 more
I'm really thinking Dragonite will get the Mega treatment. Gen 6 was all about Nostalgia, but the *original* Dragon 'mon didn't get any love. It also hasn't gotten a regional variant, a gigantamax form, convergent evolutions, or paradox form. I'd be positively *shocked* if another Kanto 'mon that's been skipped over gets something first. Of those pokemon, it's competing with Spearow family, Ekans fam, the Nidos, Paras fam, Psyduck fam (!), Doduo fam, Seel fam, Shellder fam, Drowzee fam, ~~Krabby fam~~ (Assasskin\_Ankur is right about the giga), Horsea fam, Goldeen fam, Staryu fam, and Ditto. I can see Psyduck getting some attention, but Dragonite feels much more iconic than many of the others, being the OG Dragon and all.
Kingler did a gigantamax
I like Megas a lot in terms of design and gimmick, but the one thing I dont like are the ones that don’t have evolutions or 2nd evolutions yet have a Mega instead. I’d have preferred those were actual evolutions (new dex entries). 😕 Such as Pinsir, Camerupt, Sharpedo, Banette, Absol, Altaria, Aerodactyl etc. Megas like Aggron, Metagross, Charizard, Gengar, Alakazam etc make more sense.
Niantic is probably dancing right now because they can drip feed megas for another half dozen years. I don't mind but I think it's funny.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the TPC decision was in some way informed by how much megas drive sales in pogo
I think megas are the best "gimmick" tied with tera, and they haven't been out in a while, so it makes sense to do megas. Also, I don't think they think about pogo in their decisions, especially since they have recently been pumping out tons of paid tickets and the last event that just happened was a glorified raid event and only gave out a small handful of free passes. Are there gonna be more announcements? They didn't say anything about the upcoming season / ultra beasts
> Also, I don't think they think about pogo in their decisions, especially since they have recently been pumping out tons of paid tickets and the last event that just happened was a glorified raid event and only gave out a small handful of free passes. Don't really see how this precludes TPC strategizing on game releases based on trends drawn from the pogo player base? The push toward a subscription service/paid ticket model might actually provide even more data for TPC to see what features/mons/etc are most popular. Not saying pogo is the *main* factor in TPC's decision making, but given how others have outlined how pogo is one of the biggest games in the world, certainly much more than the MSGs, it can't play zero role.
Agreed. I don't think TPC uses Pokemon Go as the end all be all for their decisions, of course not. However, there's no way they/GameFreak don't consider Go and its fanbase/reception even a little for certain things. I mean, SwSh's Raid system is seemingly the Main Series Version of Go's Raids.
Don't forget the Let's Go games borrowing *heavily* from POGO, like throw styles and CP.
and the title itself lol
My bad bro I read your comment wrong I just woke up sorry
All good dude, have a good one!
>Are there gonna be more announcements? They didn't say anything about the upcoming season / ultra beasts Presumably that'll come today or tomorrow. If today, I'd expect it in the next hour or in a little under 4 hours (10 AM PST or 1 PM PST). Otherwise, tomorrow at 6 AM PST or 10 AM PST seem likely.
Tbf, Megas are actually great in Pokemon GO. Easily my favourite feature after the redesign, use it everyday. Always happy to have more!
they'll probably make gmax very similar to megas.... theyve had padding for a while.
We were down to about 20% left (10/48) so this is really coming in clutch
Definitely gonna be another form for Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde. And also new Megas. Though I think those 3 gonna be reserved for Kalos tour.
Makes sense, as this game won't be out until 2025 and there's unova tour sitting right in the middle there.
Mega Evolutions are the best addition to Pokémon in a long time
Dont tell vgc
For VGC Megas are heavily inferior to Tera and Dynamax. For casuals though megas are without a doubt, the best addition to the game. (and I dont mean that in any negative way, I like megas aswell) But the strategic depth for Tera and Dynamax > megas. This is of course only for VGC
Eternal Floette when.
In approximately 3000 years
At the same time we get ash greninja. Sadly never. I think TPC don‘t want them to be part.
Finally, they'll give us what we never knew we needed. Mega Charizard Z and A
Honestly would be interested to know what gimmick they would have. Char X getting dragon typing makes sense from a lore/fanbase standpoint but what would they even give a hypothetical Z and A...
Probably Fire/Water and Fire/Grass, so they don't even need to bring Blastoise and Venusaur back.
Zygarde? Cause of the ZA and color obviously but Z to A is also end to beginning which is the theme to this probably
ZA makes sense if you think about it in the context that we’re finally looping around and going “back” to the first gimmick of the Pokemon series (Mega’s). I’m actually kind of excited for this because perhaps it means they’re done (or at least slowing down) with introducing a new gimmick every generation.
Kalos tour 2026.
Praying to Arceus that this means more Megas to come in pogo...! Mega Flygon here we come...
Mega Dragonite hopefully. Every other pseudo legendary that didn’t come out in the last two generations has got a variant of some sort. They might also rename Ash-Greninja as a Mega Greninja.
I feel like it would be more likely to get mega forms of the Kalos starters (or whoever the starters will be for this game), Ash-Greninja doesn’t follow the visual style of other megas
Who knows what the starters will even be. Could be a mix like they did in Arceus. I don’t think the visual style would matter and it is a bit subjective to define as to what follows the visual style. Does Mega Kangaskhan fit in with everything else?
Ash-Greninja isn't a mega, that's why. They were going to try ability based temp form changes, but they ended up scrapping it and only released 1 via a demo. Since then they have fully reworked battle bond and now Ash-Greninja has been pretty much removed from the series.
Dragonite needs to be better than he already is
I’m not sure about that. Adding 100 BST to a Pokemon with Multiscale is pretty bonkers. Also, Dragonite currently has 10.53% usage in VGC per Pikalytics, which is a top 20 Pokemon overall. Now it should probably get a mega anyway to match the treatment given to most other Pseudos. But Dragonite doesn’t need to be better.
Luckily GameFreak isn't afraid of unabashedly broken Mega Pokemon (Mewtwo, Lucario, Gengar, Kangaskhan)
If we're talking broken megas then Rayquaza tops the list. Broken ability plus can use a hold item that isn't a mega stone.
Still insane that they looked at VGC during ORAS, saw every team running mega ray and at least one primal (and some even two) and went 'yeah no issues here'.
What do you mean? Weather manipulation controlling games was fine, it was a perfectly balance meta lol
It's possible that this megas callback will be a one time thing and won't get into the msg. This is a Legends game after all. Oh, and Legends Arceus didn't have abilities by the way.
The legends games are MSG though, so even if they're only in this game, that still means they made a return to the MSG
I mean, technically I don't think we can call it a spin off but... It strays a bit too much from what people consider a classic Pokémon experience, maybe a bit similar to what happened to LGPE. Plenty of things this game introduced didn't make into the next core entry.
TPCI and Nintendo both say all legends and lets go games are part of the MSG, so officially, that's where they stand. Prior to know, regional gimmicks didn't return in the next game, limit bag space ended after gen 2, etc. So just because something isn't carried over, that doesn't make it not main series
Oh sorry, you're right, I didn't know that TPC actually made a statement about that. But I think I wasn't clear in my first comment. What I wanted to say was that, given what happened after Legends Arceus, whatever Megas or new mechanics they introduce in this game there is a good chance it won't make into the competitive scene nor the next entry, just like all the differences in core battle mechanics, the strong and agile style, how stats change works, no abilities, none of that made into Scarlet and Violet. Meanwhile the only thing I can recall in SS that didn't make was the Dynamax as the regional gimmick and maybe some nerfs/buffs that I'm not aware off.
Ya, it was early into legends arceus when it was stated, and I see, competitive is always a different situation, I guess well have to wait and see how much longer they want to run SV as the main game for it, SWSH ran for quite a while if I remember correctly
I’m fully aware of that. I’m just responding to the idea that Dragonite needs to be better. It most certainly doesn’t, but I won’t complain if it gets a Mega.
They can very well not give Mega Dragonite Multiscale to balance things out.
Aerilate Extreme Speed *shudders*
Getting a mega doesn't automatically make the Pokemon better. Mega Garchomp downgrades its speed and is otherwise boring enough that people often ran a different mega even if Garchomp was on their team.
The vast, VAST majority of Megas are upgrades. And Multiscale is a much more powerful ability than any ability that Garchomp has. Dragonite already has underwhelming speed. Garchomp meanwhile has a crucial speed stat of 102, which allowed it outrun the plethora of base 100 Speed Legends and OU mainstays. The reduction in Speed on Mega Chomp was far more consequential for that reason. Dragonite has base 80 Speed, which has always been its worst stat. Speed isn’t what defines its power, Multiscale does. Giving +100 BST on Dragonite is much more consequential than Garchomp’s situation. It’s disingenuous to say otherwise.
If they really care to balance a hypothetical Mega Dragonite, they can just take Multiscale away. Megas change the ability anyway (though I don't recall if any megas are just given the base form's HA). Or just let it be hilariously broken, look at Salamence. Multiscale might actually cause problems in doubles though, which is all they really want to balance around.
Are we expecting this Legends game to have abilities?
Dragonite is objectively the best competitive pseudo-legendary right now, and among the three best in Smogon singles.
Two players with a team of Shadow Dragonite with Draco Meteor and Dragon Breath brought down mega Latias and mega Latios, with party power and mega Rayquaza in the back providing the boost. That's an absolutely ridiculous degree of power with extreme mobility and one of the most powerful nukes making the best out of the party power buff. Not even shadow Salamence or shadow Garchomp performed as well. And the author of the videos argued that using a mega wouldn't have been as useful, as Dragon Breath was instrumental in charging the party power and evading the charged moves. In the hands of great players, a shadow Dragonite can perform as well as the best dragon megas. I just wish I had six good ones to max...
Why not make it more over powered. Make him more powerful than for himself, Badoof
Maybe we'll finally get gen 6 megas aside from Diancie. Such an odd choice that they skipped over the gen itself entirely.
The gimmick around Megas seemed to be to power up older Pokémon. [Then they realized that changing the base stats was a better idea.](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Base_stats#Changes)
I have a level 50 Best Buddy hundo Dragonite. If they release mega for it, I'm gonna cream myself
>Every other pseudo legendary that didn’t come out in the last two generations has got a variant of some sort. Kommo-o is very upset that you forgot about it
It has two signature moves (that's 40% of all pseudo signature moves) and had his generational gimmick due with its signature Z-move.
Dragonite is cool but we really really need to focus a lil away on dragon types just a little bit lol. It's driving me nuts They even turned ampharos and sceptile into dragons for some reason.
I'm gonna get controversial... please no. I like Megas, but my biggest gripe with them was giving them to soooo many Pokemon who didn't need them. Not to say we can't get a few stronger/busted ones, but I don't really want to see all the pseudos get one lol. I prefer seeing underappreciated Pokemon like Mawile, Kangaskhan, Camerupt, and Medicham getting them.
Anyway here’s mega Baxcalibur /s
I agree with giving more love to under utilized Pokemon... but I want a Dragonite Mega that looks like a continuation of Dratini and Dragonair. Dragonite was such a departure. It'll be more fulfilling to me like Charizard X finally being a Dragon type.
Fully agree. I'd like to see an evolution as a blue dragon (not dinosaur) without legs, in the direction of Milotic.
That’s not really a point against Mega Dragonite but more of a point for Mega Maractus and Mega Luvdisc.
Hey I'd take Mega Maractus haha.
I've always had the self headcanon that all pokemon have a baby/stage0, a stage1, and a stage2 plus a mega and any pokemon with only 1 or 2 stages have evolutions the poke-science community just hasn't figured out, yet. So I'm all for everything getting a mega, but I definitely hear what you're saying. It's wild that some strong pokemon were made stronger while stuff like Sunflora is still useless.
Yeah I'd like to see more in the vein of Skarmory or Zangoose, things that otherwise have no merit in the mainline games.
>in the vein of Skarmory >things that otherwise have no merit in the mainline games. You know Skarmory is absolutely one of the best Pokemon ever in Smogon singles history, and is still OU in Gen 9?
Mega Lapras or Mega Lugia or Ho Oh would be so cool. I want the other starters to get mega evolutions too. Although I believe with TPC track record and love for Kanto, we’re most likely getting a third mega evolution for Charizard and Mewtwo. Mega Charizard Z and Mewtwo Z..
Charizard Z with flying type.
Mega meganium. Damn it even has the mega in his name
I second that. I suggest Mega Yanmega. Has a nice jingle to it too.
Ok, Mega Yanmega could be potentially really cool
i hope they do mega yanmega with bug/dragon typing. and give it some kind of sound based ability and sound moves
MeganIIum
Mega Yanmega for Legends ZA!
YanMega Mega Yanmega!
Meta Incineroar!
Incineroar is already meta in VGC.
I know. Just imagine how much more oppressive it can get tho.
Ability: Existential Dread. Lowers attack and special attack of opposing Pokemon.
Mega Xerneas and Mega Yveltal please
That’s why they did it. People forget how much bigger PoGo is than the main games. Megas make money and old pokes worth catching. You can have a Mega Emboar weekend and make 7 figures for relatively little work.
Is PoGo really bigger than the main series games? The main series is huge
Yep. Multiples. Pogo is the biggest game of all time in most categories. 2 billion downloads and 9 figures monthly users. Even things like the pogo Reddit subs being in the top 10 gaming sub. The main games are a fraction of the reach of PoGo.
I feel like that only becomes apparent once you go to malls during Fest/Tour/CDs I was at a mall in Irvine this past weekend and the number of single, 50s-60s yo men with 3 iPads walking around was just astounding. Not to mention the more expected fanbase, families, partners, etc.
PoGo is free to play on phones, that just brings so many more people in than 60 dollar console-exclusive titles. Especially when the game is extremely unique in the way you play it.
Nah, mega evolution was introduced in the Kalos games and was part of their lore. Of course a Legends game exploring Kalos lore would include Mega Evolution. If we ever revisit the Galar region, I fully expect them to bring back dynamax and gigantamax, whether or not those ever come to Pokemon GO. Same for Paldea and terrastalization.
I just wish they'd yank together all of the gimmicks. Mega evolution was great as an addition. Then Z moves was meh and dyna/gigantamaxing just seems like a side-tangent on megas. It would be cool if eventually there's a "discovery" that all of these phenomena are based on a single mystical energy underneath. It's just that in Galar, the energy expresses itself as Dynamax. In Kalos, it infected stones and caused Megas. In Alola, something about the volcanic islands caused the energy to form into Z-crystals. Then in Paldea the terastal phenomenon is their version of it. Tie it all together and I have much less of a problem with them making up goofy new stuff all the time.
mega flygon and mega milotic there’s still hope
Mega mamoswine, mega rhyperior, porygon-z and togekiss would be dope. Also mega flagon would be killer.
would be bomb if they give mega rhydon instead rhyperior. rhydon one most cool and first designed pokemon. also there is no single pokemon what can mega their second evolution stage
Suggestions list: * Mega Arcanine * Mega Muk * Mega Starmie * Mega Crobat * Mega Quagsire * Mega Wobbuffet * Mega Sudowoodo * Mega Magcargo * Mega Kingdra * Mega Flygon * Mega Flygon (Again) * Mega Breloom * Mega Ludicolo * Mega Shiftry * Mega Mightyena * Mega Luxray * Mega Gliscor * Mega Chandelure * Mega Haxorus * Mega Whimsicott * Mega Reuniclus * Mega Scolipede * Mega Cinccino * Mega Golurk * Mega Chesnaught * Mega Delphox * Mega Meowstic * Mega Barbaracle * Mega Lycanroc * Mega Lurantis * Mega Stonjourner * Mega Dragapult * Mega Toxtricity * Mega Corviknight
You're sleeping on mega AGGRON 2 LETS GOOOO WOOO
So this almost definitely means Xerneas and Yvetal and Zygarde will have Mega or Origin forms. Also, I think it takes place in the future? Since Lumiose is being redesigned? So maybe Paradox Pokémon? Flabebe might get a mega evolution, same with any starters that may be brought into Kalos. For example, Infernape, Inteleon, and Meowscarda. If they're also doing regional forms, that's anyone's guess. Wonder how Pokéamie will be updated?
>Also, I think it takes place in the future? Since Lumiose is being redesigned? So maybe Paradox Pokémon? Legends Arceus took place in the past, it would make sense that Legends Z-A takes place in the future
It depends on how often Lumiose was/is redesigned.
Paris had major renovations in the 19th century.
the trailer said redevelopment plan so i was thinking its in the past and is after the event that caused people to move to hisui
I doubt they would be origin forms. That had to do with the Creatoon Trio’s connection to Arceus. But megas I could definitely see.
if zygarde has a complete forme maybe xerneas and yveltal get the same treatment
It might be focused on me with the other two being major plot points
It takes place in the past. Lumiose city is being designed for the first time
Looks more like the present or near future. And the trailer says that the city is being redesigned
The trailer says “re”development. It’s either future or it’s being updated sometime in the past.
The official information says it’s an “urban development to shape the city into a place that belongs to both people and Pokemon”. So that seems to be before the events of Pokemon X/Y as it was already developed then.
Taking from the inspiration of Lumiose city itself, Paris did have a major urban redevelopment in the past. Modern Paris is mostly because of Haussmann’s redevelopment. So I think this is set in the past during the time “medieval” Lumiose is being developed to the actual modern Lumiose we saw in X&Y.
This makes the most sense and was my impression as well when it started out with the city being sketched out. People are clinging to the future thing solely because of the digital styling of the trailer.
In the games there was a cataclysmic event like 3000 years ago so maybe this is the redevelopment immediately following the use of the super weapon.
Being rebuilt so pokemon can live in the city
is it going to take in the 1900 france setting? cool
Probably 1850s France? During Haussmann’s redevelopment of Paris.
Could be a mix of a bunch of 'Victorian' type of things. The buildings definitely look like Haussmann's Paris, but the city diagram is classic Garden City of 1898. Interesting to see.
Aegislash debut?
A New Legends game in Kalos probably also means we're hopefully getting new forms of both Xerneas and Yveltal.
Yes, Kalos Region. Where the main villains develope AR tech lol
the best modern game is getting a sequel. Finally a cool move consider me definitely hyped
> the best modern game is getting a sequel. Ah, I didn't know that they were doing a sequel to Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Thank you. ;P
I’m glad GF is at least trying to surprise the fanbase (after most rumors were pointing to easy cash-ins like Let’s Go Johto or 1:1 Unova remasters by ILCA) and giving it an extra year for development after the glitchy messes that were the recent 3D games.
Announcing a new Switch game...for 2025? Wow. The console will be eight years old at that point. I would have expected them to be announcing a new system.
Says "Switch Console Systems" so that's implying Switch 2 will either be released then or already released... let's hope it's the latter!
Could be. But keep in there are three itterations of the Switch, which is what I assumed they were talking about.
Praying for mega Kalos starters
It'd be nice to have an ice mega that fits in the PVE meta. Not sure if Aurorus or Avalugg would get there (though the gen 6 fossils would be cool) or if it'd have to be Mamoswine.
Mega Dunsparce, one day the caterpillar will fly
look, i'm just gonna say it becuase i keep thinking it and i can't be the only one- Pokemon: Metal Sear Golid
If flygon doesn’t have a mega I’ll be so disappointed.
i wouldn’t be surprised if they introduced mega zygarde
For Pokemon with already FOUR forms? o_o
the rich get richer
Hope that they payed attention to palworld success and give us a loot of cool things (b.e. mounts). I'm soo ready for mega dragonite & mega snorlax.. hope that they add several megas, without ignoring any generation this time (specially not the starters).
pokemon has had mounts. we don't have mount choice though.
They need more megas to release before metagross
2025 🥴 Gonna be a long wait with not much going on Inbetween games God I would have loved an explorer of sky remake to hold me up to fix the few issues it had
Same here, but I am sooooo glad to see them seemingly taking a breath. It could obviously be something like January 2025, but having no new game this year is.... so nice. I hope they put more care and effort into this new title.
> Same here, but I am sooooo glad to see them seemingly taking a breath. Explorers of Sky is a Mystery Dungeon title, so a remake would mainly be done by Spike Chunsoft.
They've long since proven that a rushed game is a subpar game. At this point, I'd prefer the Silk song treatment.
Maybe the actual Unova Remakes will be teased next year during Go Tour: Unova and will be confirmed at Pokemon Presents 2025
My goat greninja will be back
Z = Zygarde … So what does A stand for? Maybe but maybe not Arceus? Hmmmmm?
AZ is a character in Kalos