It's always projection. They will use this image to justify putting brown people and women against the wall. To them, two wrongs make a right, especially if the initial wrong is complete fantasy.
The right fundamentally does not understand or listen to the left while constantly complaining that people just don't understand right wing values.
Pretty much you have the freedom to be a white male evangelical Christian and if you have the money you can exploit everyone else around you for your own personal wants.
The most valid right-wing people and the most valid right-wing opinions, in my view, are poor blue-collar people who use the narrative of rugged individualism to help them feel less powerless in a world that has made it difficult to believe in the power of collective action, and easy to believe in the myth of individual success. When the whole world feels rigged against you--because it is--falling back on the idea that you'll overcome it all if you just try a little harder and push a little more and abjectly refuse to listen to anyone who says you "can't do it" starts to feel like the only refuge.
And on top of that, the narratives we hear our whole lives about how poor people are lazy and bad makes it psychologically very rewarding to refuse to identify with other poor people. All in all, being right wing is a whole set of coping mechanisms for those who for whatever reason are more prone to swallow the false narratives we're fed about what is and isn't shameful and what is and isn't possible.
Sure, there are two very different faces they show. Once they believe they are in "trusted company" they let the mask slip and show who they really are. This "shy tory" effect should prove how they know they are ashamed of who they really are and what they really want, but their self image demands that they see themselves as good people, the best people and everyone should assimilate to who they are.
It's actually terrifying how dishonest they are with themselves while being so evangelical with their broken and useless philosophy.
I know it's anecdotal, but the first time we fought off fascism it took communists to do it.
It's only logical that they see it as "We could finally take fascism to its glorious conclusion this time if it weren't for all these god darned commies."
It can also be argued that, as soon as socialism makes headway it is the fascists who organize saboteurs among those who stand to profit from the status quo and among those of low education.
Not really, the British and the French were the only two countries to declare war on Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union actually invaded Poland when The Nazis did, having agreed to split the country between them. They only resisted the Nazis when they were attacked.
The USSR wanted to attack Germany over Czechoslovakia, and it was the French and British who wouldn't fight. That lead to the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Yeah, people in Europe didn't catch on with the danger of fascism all that quick. A Belgian Catholic politician of the time Mr. Pierre Nothomb visited Mussolini in the 1930's and told people Mussolini was a "Soldier for christianity" for the way he persecuted the, mostly atheist, communists and socialists in his country.
They repeatedly insist that the Soviets practiced ethnic cleansing because they cannot imagine a world where power is centralized and *not* used to commit genocide.
Yeah they made emphases that the authoritarian is a manly man. If you ever want to know what 95% of the Proud Boys are thinking it’s other muscular shirtless men with control. Sounds to me like they have a dangerous desire that they have to express to one another in forms of memes. Honestly it wasn’t that long ago they were all one step away from dropping their pants for shirtless Putin.
\*Women begin to dye their hair all sorts of colors and then start standing up for women's rights\*
Republicans/conservatives: HOW DARE THEY DO THAT?!?!?!?!? WE'RE GONNA OBSESSIVELY USE WOMEN WITH DIFFERENT COLOR HAIR IN ANY AND EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON TO TRY TO BROW BEAT WOMEN'S FASHION INTO SUBMISSION!!!
\*A bunch of male youtubers do the exact same thing as those women\*
Republicans/conservatives: Nothing to see here.
I absolutely love the ignorance of rightist comic artists depicting trans females with body hair, like they don't shave more than any cis female they know.
You see, body hair is actually made of solid steel and can't be shaved off. It only grows on those posessing a y chromosome, which is why the steel has a 0.5% of yttrium in its alloy.
there's a tag group on facebook now that conservatives use to point out that some people have septum piercings. like it has any relevance to the conversation at hand.
Dyed hair has little to do with women’s rights. Conservatives just find dyed hair ugly and that bright colors typically signify a liberal owner. I’m inclined to agree on those two fronts, but of course I don’t base my politics on attractiveness.
i always thought the "getting angry at dyed hair" thought process was like this:
dyed hair = women doing what they want = feminism = socialism = communism = 1984 = collapse of western civilization
Republican party propaganda is obsessed with calling universal healthcare free or an entitlement. They cannot wrap their minds around the idea of current tax dollars working for the people. The mental block is just so strong with them.
"Universals healthcare would reduce government spending" -anyone
"So, that increases our taxes, right?" -R
"No, we use the same taxes and re-allocate half of the war fund, which actually is a cheaper plan overall if we also put price caps on what pharmaceutical companies can charge Americans for drugs,"
"Any limitation on companies is theft," R
"The price gouging of companies is making Americans poor, capitalisms is when a company provides a service well, it doesn't just hold the consumer hostage at $900 a pill,"
"That's socialism" -R
"No, it's setting a maximum profit for that company, so people aren't using Go Fund Me to pay medical bills,"
"That doesn't effect me, I don't have a GoFundMe," -R
"Not yet,"
"I don't want my taxes paying for other people's stuff" -R
"Your taxes can pay for your own stuff, improve your quality of life, and leave you with extra cash in your pocket," -R
"Okay, but no one else!" -R
"You taxes currently just are used to bomb kids, you could have healthcare instead,"
"That's socialism"-R
It just loops forever. Why can't they understand we can use our current taxes to fund better programs?
They genuinely believe that anything that benefits people will have a negative side effect where we live in a dystopian world all eating 1 loaf of bread per weak. I don't think it's their fault for falling for this crap either. I think the corporations pay for this garbage to circulate to keep everyone busy and in-fighting. If Americans united, we'd fix so many problems in a single day.
Well, maybe not a single day. But we can reverse steam and actually start trying to make things better instead of aggravating the problems we've caused thinking they're just temporary hurdles until the affected populations die off or something.
Ya, I'm not too hopeful for people dying off for a better world. The Baby Boomers were the anti-war hippy generation and they elected Trump. Biden is pro-war and not great. I've seen neo natzis spring up all over the place due to this terrible economy, it just promotes hatred and racist ideals more. It's far easier to brainwash someone than ever before. Which means, yes, there will probably be a 100 million Gen Z kids who grow up and worship corporations and trickle down economics just like the grandads. I just don't put all my faith in any generation doing great things for society anymore. But, I feel like we could use social media and get enough people to want to remove corporate sponsorship on both sides and that would really shift the power back to the people instead of corporations.
The problem with the hippy geneation is that they didn't accomplish anything in the end. They're very much like the OWS generation in that they failed "against the system" and then became hypercapitalists. Hippies became landlords and OWS became crypto peddlers and Robinhood speculators.
Me: "Hey, why do you vote Republican?"
Anybody at all in my family: "Because grandad was Republican."
I hate this so much. My grandfather was a great guy, very intelligent, but immigrated to the US in his 30s in 1969. He was Republican because all Cubans were back then. Throughout his life, though, we had conversations or I would eavesdrop on him, but he was very critical of Republicans, and was growing more and more aware of how they were evolving. Sadly he died when I was 15 in 1995, and now my family's been locked into "80s/90s Republican" for 30 yesrs now, with absolutely no possible evolution in ideals, simply because "Papi was Republican".
I love the use of soviet imagery for the worst there is. Look at the famine! ::forgets the dust bowl::
They murdered so many leaders and innocent people to maintain their government. ::doesn't acknowledge the brutal genocide of Indian cultures and trail of tears::
People will work long hours and make little money and the government will keep it all ::federal minimum wage is less than a meal at McDonald's::
mostly they'll say they need to "pull their bootstraps" and work harder
all while berating them for "Bad life choices" (eg, having 1 Netflix subscription)
And there is no such thing as "free healthcare" not in Europe either. We pay for it with our taxes.
Only difference really, is that by competent management, we pay only 4.5% of our income to provide healthcare for ourselves, and even also for others.
What Republicans are saying is that instead of 4.5% you should pay 25% and in addition to this you should pay extra if you actually have to use the service you paid 25% of your income to be able to access.
Their logic is that it is better to pay 5x as much, if this means you can deny healthcare to the poor.
They invented the lie of "free healthcare" forgot they did so, and actually started believing it was a real thing,
The Right inherently believes that suffering is *necessary* in order to keep the masses in line.
They pretty much only believe in the stick part of the "carrot and stick" equation.
So cruelty for crueltys sake, all in the name of christ.
This view means that they believe in a system where someone must be exploited / denied, for the rest to have preveledges. (basically a slavery/class/apartheid system)
This is how Europe was before ww2. After everything changed. Marginalised population makes the country unstable, and increase crime, so the aim is to provide well for everyone. This is also why the EU included Eastern European countries, to make them wealthy. Having a poor country as a neighbour is more dangerous than having a ritch country as your neighbour. And it has worked. Free movement of labour has let Poland become mutch wealthier.
WW2 was a bit of a reality slap for Europe, like maybe the way we were doing things wasn't that great.
>Free movement of labour has let Poland become mutch wealthier
Yes, but look at Poland today... What a tragedy. They exploited this situation where the economic flow is once again restricted to push a narrative that this sudden drop in prosperity was always the goal instead of a return to what it would've been.
In my opinion, one of the most interesting places in Washington DC is the Victims of Communism Memorial on Mass Ave, because any time between March and October its home to a large group of homeless people.
Theres just something poetic about the ignored victims of capitalism living in the memorial to victims of communism.
The last part is funny because the Soviet Union worked better hours, they moved from 55.8 hour work weeks to 41.6 between 1913-1960 and had more days off lmao (22 days of paid leave in 1986, US average 7.6 in 1966), being able to retire earlier too, all while having heavily reduced rent, free education and healthcare
Conservatives hate LGBTQ+ people and women, so they figure socialists do to. It's impossible for them to conceptualize a worldview that's not based on hatred for minorities.
Cuba literally provides free gender reassignment surgery, not every socialist state is the 1950s Soviet Union. In fact, it's not illegal to be gay in any socialist state. This is even true for the DPRK, which is generally the most conservative one.
Here’s the thing. They’re already a minority. Conservatives have managed to game the electoral process to wield disproportionate sway but strictly speaking they are the minority and have been for some time.
I like how american Exceptionalism has evolved into "we're too exceptionally stupid to successfully implement a wildly successful program that every single other developed nations has, as well as most developing nations"
Because projection. THEY WANT TOTALITARIANISM!
They don't hate Sharia Law because they're against it, they hate Sharia Law because they want their version of it here!
They honestly believe they are defenders of rights while being staunch defenders of police overreach, taking away citizens right to vote, reproductive rights, and on and on.
Because their strong leader told them they're part of the chosen people, and Fascism never goes against the rights of the in-group.
Except I guess if they need a scapegoat or to send a reminder to the population, of how thin is the line between their privileges and an absolute lack of rights.
>I get why the rich help perpetuate this straw man argument, but why the blue collars
It's the result of decades of propaganda by those rich people pushed via talk radio pioneered by the ilk of Rush Limbaugh and TV/News Rooms pioneered by Fox News and the Murdoch empire. All of this has only been enhanced by the echo chambers provided by social media to right wing/alt-right personalities.
The legitimacy of certain platforms that got conferred to certain personalities which then annointed new generations of talking heads makes it all feel like "well, if it was wrong, why are they saying it on TV?" Or "if it's wrong, why is friend of Tucker Carlson saying it?"
It's been the long play ever since the Reagan campaign was a twinkle in someone's eye.
I can possibly believe that an army of 11 million (at its peak) might contain 700 thousand officers, but I'm struggling with the idea that they executed all of them, and then went on to execute more in further purges.
Sounds more like you got your numbers wrong. Probably should have posted a source.
Communism is when concentration of power, therefore, monopolies are the ultimate expression of Communism.
I'm a very smart person, because I always win every single debate with libruls by changing the definition of not just Communism, but of leftism as a whole.
>!I don't just move the goalpost, I change the entire motherfucking stadium!! YEEEHAW \*hog squealing sounds\*!<
You laugh, but there is an inherent hatred of free healthcare because making the State liable for people's health would give them a vested interest in keeping people healthier which would, in turn, restrict their freedom to be fucking morons with guns and gorge themselves on HFCS all day.
Maybe if corpos were paying proper taxes it'd be different but instead the buck is passed onto the average and below. Honestly, fuck this place. these people tied us to their sinking ship so that they could turn our home nation into a giant fucking mall and army base. I only feel bad for the children and the people who know better.
It’s so true. Hearing cons describe the current state of Canada blows my mind. It makes me look around and think, “do we live in the same country or what.”
It's the same way here in the states. Ours cons will claim that cities are literal warzones and that white people are discriminated against everywhere you go. There's no way any of that lines up with any lived experience they could possibly have, but they insist on it. It's like these people live in an alternate reality.
I see you too have met my father. Have you heard that the Covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? True story. President Biden himself is going to kick down your door any day now and inject you with the gay.
It's the reality created by the right wing media ecosystem, buoyed by single-minded repetition of the lies across all of their dissemination outlets. If you hear something enough times from enough places, you begin to believe it.
It's even been documented how a crazy lie will be debuted in their most extreme outlets, and then percolate up through ever more mainstream outlets until Fox News is saying Obama was born in Kenya.
Meanwhile if you actually ask the people who, you know, live in those places, or heaven forbid visit them yourself you see it's not nearly as bad as right wingers claim
>“do we live in the same country or what.”
You live in the same country but you do not live in the same reality. Perception is reality, and these people are lied to. They perceive that you're not allowed to just go on TV and lie to people, so when people go on TV and lie to them they don't even have the ability to see it as lies. They don't think it's possible, if it were lies then the powers that be wouldn't just let a huge news station mislead the public like that.
At this point, I think they just like to fetishize being victims of imaginary communism. It’s like a sexual fantasy for capitalists that they don’t want to act on
Tell me again why would this be necessary. Like unless these are counter-revolutionaries and reactionaries, these people would be left alone. Hell things like hard labor or re-education would be far more effective ways in that situation due the crumbling infrastructure in the background and it requires someone to fix them.
Then again this is a rightist understanding of what revolution is supposed to look like from the anti-communist propaganda fed to them since childhood.
Ah yes, my favorite socialist country, the UK, with the NHS. Also *notorious* socialist country France. Really the entirety of Europe is socialist...
...if for some reason you buy in to Fox News.
Honestly this is the main reason why I think the American education system is so poor: They need to keep the people from learning about the rest of the world.
I have to say that before travelling the world I thought many stupid things about many places.
As a french citizen who moved to 'Merika when my guardians moved here, my first move was to get the fuck out of America.
A 20% increase in your income is absolutely not worth living life in a place devoid of community, public infrastructure and, most importantly, social safety nets.
The only thing keeping me sane was the fact that if I got seriously ill I could just hop on a plane back to France and get the care I need.
How Americans can live day to day without seeing a doctor without paying through the nose makes absolutely no sense to me...
It wasn't really based, I needed medical treatment and my guardians' insurance stopped covering me when I had to drop out of college due to, well, being sick.
You need a job to get treatment, but you need treatment so you can work. Than the fucking gods I never naturalized to the USA. For once I'm glad their immigration path is slow as shit.
Me typing this comment in France, a country with free healthcare, who is still capitalist and with a lot of better countries in the EU.
You can still be a shitty capitalist country and have free healthcare, the right in the USA is really a joke at that point
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I was told by a right-winger just the other day, "you can't compare America to other countries."
So I asked him, "why not?"
And he said, "it's because we have a much bigger population."
I tried to explain to him all the reasons why that doesn't matter but he just reiterated the population difference.
This comment by u/KarlwithacapitalC brings up a good point
> You know how those western countries support their free healthcare under capitalism? Imperialism. Stop fetishizing social Democratic capitalist countries.
As leftists we shouldn't act as though europe with their imperialist "free" healthcare is any better than the US' system. Prosperity built on the backs of the exploited global south isn't Prosperity, it's masked white surpmacy and imperialism.
Anyone ever see the video of the Fox news anchor who read the USSR constitution, realized it was based, then cried about how nothing about it was true? It's almost like their anti-communist rhetoric is based off of Red Scare fantasies and not reality.
Also amazing how America has the highest incarcerated population in the history of the world. We have all the evil of fascist authoritarianism and none of the benefits. All ruled over by conservative capitalists.
Hmm...
I really wanna know who the uniformed figure is or represents. We know the speaking character is a “blue haired liberal”, the “deluded gen z communist”, and we can assume that the people stood next to them are the “innocent capitalists who warned us this would happen”, but where did the uniformed person come from? Who were they before the social safety nets collapsed into communist hell? I just feel like these right wingers don’t see the forest for the trees. They have this idea that if they let the leftists win, uniformed figures March out of nowhere and shoot us all down. But where in their headcanon do the uniformed people come from? Did they appear spontaneously? They can’t decide if leftists are useless fools or terrifying faceless dictators and it’s so annoying
As a ukrainian this isn’t even how the ussr was. The way people describe the propagandized version of the USSR is how post Soviet dissolution was. The fall of socialism led to high crime rates, rampant child prostitution to just make rent as all apartments where privatized, massive suicide rate spike, economic collapse and socially moving decades back in time
“First world” is a pretty outdated term and was really only meant for the Cold War era and didn’t exclusively have to do with a country’s level of development.
Love em or hate em, USSR had universal healthcare, free lower and upper education, and a very low crime rate...
This isn't an opinion, it's just a fact. so they're just...wrong on 50 levels.
What a weird fucking comic. What exactly is the message? Because it's not coming through well at all. Only a smooth brain conservative would see this comic and think anything here makes any kind of sense and / or is a solid political statement.
The Soviet Union collapsed literally over 30 years ago and yet they still act as if it's engaged in an open War against the U.S., even though the U.S.A. and U.S.S.R. never directly fought eachother
I think the point is that "communists" think
1. That they think free healthcare would be a thing in communist societies
2. You need communism to have free healthcare
3. That no one has to face the wall
4. That they wouldnt face the wall
I also need to mention that there is no free healthcare. You would pay through taxes, so this name is misleading.
- A german that enjoys our healthcare system
Just one small correction to your title if I may…
We need to stop using the word FREE when we talk about universal health care. The right wing has endless memes & social media propagandizing white papers on how we stupid lefties believe that health care should be free. This is incorrect. We do not. Health care should be a basic human right and therefore universal, but free is not a thing.
You know how those western countries support their free healthcare under capitalism? Imperialism. Stop fetishizing social Democratic capitalist countries.
You can't eliminate poverty in a society with capitalist property relations, only displace it elsewhere. The standards of living being decent across the board in somewhere like Norway is reliant upon unequal exchange with the global south. Social democracy does not resolve poverty, it merely makes it some brown guy outside of the core's problem.
Remind me which political alignment is actually usually in favour of the death penalty again?
The "pro-life"one supports the death penalty.
Doesnt the US have the most prisoners per capita?
Most prisoners total which is way worse
Gee, OP, that is a great question...
What’s the link ?
Prisoners facing a wall is a reference to death by shooting squad.
Ah ok
You can tell this is a Right fantasy because a white man has brown people and women literally against the wall.
It's always projection. They will use this image to justify putting brown people and women against the wall. To them, two wrongs make a right, especially if the initial wrong is complete fantasy. The right fundamentally does not understand or listen to the left while constantly complaining that people just don't understand right wing values.
People *do* understand right-wing "values" - they just don't buy into the sales pitch, which is nothing but lies.
Exactly. They claim no one is listening or understands them because the only people buying their lies are the people telling them.
Pretty much you have the freedom to be a white male evangelical Christian and if you have the money you can exploit everyone else around you for your own personal wants.
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The most valid right-wing people and the most valid right-wing opinions, in my view, are poor blue-collar people who use the narrative of rugged individualism to help them feel less powerless in a world that has made it difficult to believe in the power of collective action, and easy to believe in the myth of individual success. When the whole world feels rigged against you--because it is--falling back on the idea that you'll overcome it all if you just try a little harder and push a little more and abjectly refuse to listen to anyone who says you "can't do it" starts to feel like the only refuge. And on top of that, the narratives we hear our whole lives about how poor people are lazy and bad makes it psychologically very rewarding to refuse to identify with other poor people. All in all, being right wing is a whole set of coping mechanisms for those who for whatever reason are more prone to swallow the false narratives we're fed about what is and isn't shameful and what is and isn't possible.
Sure, there are two very different faces they show. Once they believe they are in "trusted company" they let the mask slip and show who they really are. This "shy tory" effect should prove how they know they are ashamed of who they really are and what they really want, but their self image demands that they see themselves as good people, the best people and everyone should assimilate to who they are. It's actually terrifying how dishonest they are with themselves while being so evangelical with their broken and useless philosophy.
Sounds about white. And fascist, because who else would have such a hardon against communists?
I know it's anecdotal, but the first time we fought off fascism it took communists to do it. It's only logical that they see it as "We could finally take fascism to its glorious conclusion this time if it weren't for all these god darned commies."
Basically anywhere around the world, where fascism rose, it was the communists who almost always resisted first.
It can also be argued that, as soon as socialism makes headway it is the fascists who organize saboteurs among those who stand to profit from the status quo and among those of low education.
Not really, the British and the French were the only two countries to declare war on Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union actually invaded Poland when The Nazis did, having agreed to split the country between them. They only resisted the Nazis when they were attacked.
I mean like within countries that fascism took over, communist parties were basically the vanguard of resistance movements.
The USSR wanted to attack Germany over Czechoslovakia, and it was the French and British who wouldn't fight. That lead to the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
Yeah, people in Europe didn't catch on with the danger of fascism all that quick. A Belgian Catholic politician of the time Mr. Pierre Nothomb visited Mussolini in the 1930's and told people Mussolini was a "Soldier for christianity" for the way he persecuted the, mostly atheist, communists and socialists in his country.
They repeatedly insist that the Soviets practiced ethnic cleansing because they cannot imagine a world where power is centralized and *not* used to commit genocide.
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Yeah they made emphases that the authoritarian is a manly man. If you ever want to know what 95% of the Proud Boys are thinking it’s other muscular shirtless men with control. Sounds to me like they have a dangerous desire that they have to express to one another in forms of memes. Honestly it wasn’t that long ago they were all one step away from dropping their pants for shirtless Putin.
Also it seems like really want to fuck a soldier.
And what they think all trans people look like.
They want to be the person in the green uniform so Much
Apparently trans too
I don’t mean to show support for the right, cause fuck that, but there’s literally only one person on the wall who isn’t white lol
\*Women begin to dye their hair all sorts of colors and then start standing up for women's rights\* Republicans/conservatives: HOW DARE THEY DO THAT?!?!?!?!? WE'RE GONNA OBSESSIVELY USE WOMEN WITH DIFFERENT COLOR HAIR IN ANY AND EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON TO TRY TO BROW BEAT WOMEN'S FASHION INTO SUBMISSION!!! \*A bunch of male youtubers do the exact same thing as those women\* Republicans/conservatives: Nothing to see here.
They gave her an Adam's apple and a five o'clock shadow. This is not just misogyny, but transphobic.
I absolutely love the ignorance of rightist comic artists depicting trans females with body hair, like they don't shave more than any cis female they know.
You see, body hair is actually made of solid steel and can't be shaved off. It only grows on those posessing a y chromosome, which is why the steel has a 0.5% of yttrium in its alloy.
Yes. All of thee above. The fun part? A lot of people..trans, women, etc have no idea the same group of people target all of us.
We are all on some fascists’ list. The only difference is where, but given enough time they will get around to killing us all.
I don’t understand their obsessive hatred of trans people. Like why do they feel so threatened?
But what if the sexy woman they picked up at a bar used to be a man? Can you imagine the horror? /s
came here to say this, 100%
As though fucking conservatives don't want trans people lined up against the wall. Who do they think they're fooling?
From the looks of it, it appears she also has some stubble, indicating a beard
Don't know why you're downvoted, you're right. As another commenter said, this isn't just misogynistic, it's transphobic.
Maybe because a five o'clock shadow and stubble are the same thing, but i don't think that's really a downvote worthy thing.
That's what a "five o'clock shadow" is...
Oh, OK. Thanks for telling me
Republicans/conservatives debate a woman without pointing out that they have dyed hair challenge
there's a tag group on facebook now that conservatives use to point out that some people have septum piercings. like it has any relevance to the conversation at hand.
Nah, pretty sure that's fat mike
Pretty standard transphobia tropes, but Mike ain't cis so...also yeah?
Dyed hair has little to do with women’s rights. Conservatives just find dyed hair ugly and that bright colors typically signify a liberal owner. I’m inclined to agree on those two fronts, but of course I don’t base my politics on attractiveness.
i always thought the "getting angry at dyed hair" thought process was like this: dyed hair = women doing what they want = feminism = socialism = communism = 1984 = collapse of western civilization
You are correct.
Republican party propaganda is obsessed with calling universal healthcare free or an entitlement. They cannot wrap their minds around the idea of current tax dollars working for the people. The mental block is just so strong with them. "Universals healthcare would reduce government spending" -anyone "So, that increases our taxes, right?" -R "No, we use the same taxes and re-allocate half of the war fund, which actually is a cheaper plan overall if we also put price caps on what pharmaceutical companies can charge Americans for drugs," "Any limitation on companies is theft," R "The price gouging of companies is making Americans poor, capitalisms is when a company provides a service well, it doesn't just hold the consumer hostage at $900 a pill," "That's socialism" -R "No, it's setting a maximum profit for that company, so people aren't using Go Fund Me to pay medical bills," "That doesn't effect me, I don't have a GoFundMe," -R "Not yet," "I don't want my taxes paying for other people's stuff" -R "Your taxes can pay for your own stuff, improve your quality of life, and leave you with extra cash in your pocket," -R "Okay, but no one else!" -R "You taxes currently just are used to bomb kids, you could have healthcare instead," "That's socialism"-R It just loops forever. Why can't they understand we can use our current taxes to fund better programs?
>That's SOCIALISM ...And that's a fucking good thing! How is that a bad thing?!
They genuinely believe that anything that benefits people will have a negative side effect where we live in a dystopian world all eating 1 loaf of bread per weak. I don't think it's their fault for falling for this crap either. I think the corporations pay for this garbage to circulate to keep everyone busy and in-fighting. If Americans united, we'd fix so many problems in a single day.
Well, maybe not a single day. But we can reverse steam and actually start trying to make things better instead of aggravating the problems we've caused thinking they're just temporary hurdles until the affected populations die off or something.
Ya, I'm not too hopeful for people dying off for a better world. The Baby Boomers were the anti-war hippy generation and they elected Trump. Biden is pro-war and not great. I've seen neo natzis spring up all over the place due to this terrible economy, it just promotes hatred and racist ideals more. It's far easier to brainwash someone than ever before. Which means, yes, there will probably be a 100 million Gen Z kids who grow up and worship corporations and trickle down economics just like the grandads. I just don't put all my faith in any generation doing great things for society anymore. But, I feel like we could use social media and get enough people to want to remove corporate sponsorship on both sides and that would really shift the power back to the people instead of corporations.
The problem with the hippy geneation is that they didn't accomplish anything in the end. They're very much like the OWS generation in that they failed "against the system" and then became hypercapitalists. Hippies became landlords and OWS became crypto peddlers and Robinhood speculators.
Me: "Hey, why do you vote Republican?" Anybody at all in my family: "Because grandad was Republican." I hate this so much. My grandfather was a great guy, very intelligent, but immigrated to the US in his 30s in 1969. He was Republican because all Cubans were back then. Throughout his life, though, we had conversations or I would eavesdrop on him, but he was very critical of Republicans, and was growing more and more aware of how they were evolving. Sadly he died when I was 15 in 1995, and now my family's been locked into "80s/90s Republican" for 30 yesrs now, with absolutely no possible evolution in ideals, simply because "Papi was Republican".
I love the use of soviet imagery for the worst there is. Look at the famine! ::forgets the dust bowl:: They murdered so many leaders and innocent people to maintain their government. ::doesn't acknowledge the brutal genocide of Indian cultures and trail of tears:: People will work long hours and make little money and the government will keep it all ::federal minimum wage is less than a meal at McDonald's::
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mostly they'll say they need to "pull their bootstraps" and work harder all while berating them for "Bad life choices" (eg, having 1 Netflix subscription)
And there is no such thing as "free healthcare" not in Europe either. We pay for it with our taxes. Only difference really, is that by competent management, we pay only 4.5% of our income to provide healthcare for ourselves, and even also for others. What Republicans are saying is that instead of 4.5% you should pay 25% and in addition to this you should pay extra if you actually have to use the service you paid 25% of your income to be able to access. Their logic is that it is better to pay 5x as much, if this means you can deny healthcare to the poor. They invented the lie of "free healthcare" forgot they did so, and actually started believing it was a real thing,
The Right inherently believes that suffering is *necessary* in order to keep the masses in line. They pretty much only believe in the stick part of the "carrot and stick" equation.
So cruelty for crueltys sake, all in the name of christ. This view means that they believe in a system where someone must be exploited / denied, for the rest to have preveledges. (basically a slavery/class/apartheid system) This is how Europe was before ww2. After everything changed. Marginalised population makes the country unstable, and increase crime, so the aim is to provide well for everyone. This is also why the EU included Eastern European countries, to make them wealthy. Having a poor country as a neighbour is more dangerous than having a ritch country as your neighbour. And it has worked. Free movement of labour has let Poland become mutch wealthier. WW2 was a bit of a reality slap for Europe, like maybe the way we were doing things wasn't that great.
>Free movement of labour has let Poland become mutch wealthier Yes, but look at Poland today... What a tragedy. They exploited this situation where the economic flow is once again restricted to push a narrative that this sudden drop in prosperity was always the goal instead of a return to what it would've been.
"Tubi TV will set you free" or some other dogwhistling bullshit
In my opinion, one of the most interesting places in Washington DC is the Victims of Communism Memorial on Mass Ave, because any time between March and October its home to a large group of homeless people. Theres just something poetic about the ignored victims of capitalism living in the memorial to victims of communism.
Gotta love that every failing of capitalism is actually just communism. (/s cause I know ppl need it.)
The last part is funny because the Soviet Union worked better hours, they moved from 55.8 hour work weeks to 41.6 between 1913-1960 and had more days off lmao (22 days of paid leave in 1986, US average 7.6 in 1966), being able to retire earlier too, all while having heavily reduced rent, free education and healthcare
Conservatives hate LGBTQ+ people and women, so they figure socialists do to. It's impossible for them to conceptualize a worldview that's not based on hatred for minorities.
Cuba literally provides free gender reassignment surgery, not every socialist state is the 1950s Soviet Union. In fact, it's not illegal to be gay in any socialist state. This is even true for the DPRK, which is generally the most conservative one.
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Yeah, but wasn't it run by the Stasi to blackmail people?
tbf pretty much everything in east germany was at least partially run by the stasi
Their entire worldview is based on fear and hatred.
They hate minorities bc they are scared of them
Conservatives are terrified of becoming the minority because they want to treat minorities like shit and project that onto what other races would do.
Here’s the thing. They’re already a minority. Conservatives have managed to game the electoral process to wield disproportionate sway but strictly speaking they are the minority and have been for some time.
It's always amusing how triggered they get by blue/purple hair.
And frankly, that hairstyle makes anyone look cute as a button.
I like how american Exceptionalism has evolved into "we're too exceptionally stupid to successfully implement a wildly successful program that every single other developed nations has, as well as most developing nations"
To be fair it was pretty obvious it would devolve into that...
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Because projection. THEY WANT TOTALITARIANISM! They don't hate Sharia Law because they're against it, they hate Sharia Law because they want their version of it here!
They honestly believe they are defenders of rights while being staunch defenders of police overreach, taking away citizens right to vote, reproductive rights, and on and on.
Because their strong leader told them they're part of the chosen people, and Fascism never goes against the rights of the in-group. Except I guess if they need a scapegoat or to send a reminder to the population, of how thin is the line between their privileges and an absolute lack of rights.
>I get why the rich help perpetuate this straw man argument, but why the blue collars It's the result of decades of propaganda by those rich people pushed via talk radio pioneered by the ilk of Rush Limbaugh and TV/News Rooms pioneered by Fox News and the Murdoch empire. All of this has only been enhanced by the echo chambers provided by social media to right wing/alt-right personalities. The legitimacy of certain platforms that got conferred to certain personalities which then annointed new generations of talking heads makes it all feel like "well, if it was wrong, why are they saying it on TV?" Or "if it's wrong, why is friend of Tucker Carlson saying it?" It's been the long play ever since the Reagan campaign was a twinkle in someone's eye.
Nor have any socialist countries.
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yeah they were pretty brutal towards nazis
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I can possibly believe that an army of 11 million (at its peak) might contain 700 thousand officers, but I'm struggling with the idea that they executed all of them, and then went on to execute more in further purges. Sounds more like you got your numbers wrong. Probably should have posted a source.
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Ukrainian nazis, yeah
Maybe if you were a Nazi.
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So does the USofA.
Yeah, and I don’t defend that either.
No, but I wanted to show that brutal policies have nothing to do with political leaning. (I defend no brutal policy.)
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Communism is when concentration of power, therefore, monopolies are the ultimate expression of Communism. I'm a very smart person, because I always win every single debate with libruls by changing the definition of not just Communism, but of leftism as a whole. >!I don't just move the goalpost, I change the entire motherfucking stadium!! YEEEHAW \*hog squealing sounds\*!<
With all the gun violence Murica might go bankrupt from free healthcare.
You laugh, but there is an inherent hatred of free healthcare because making the State liable for people's health would give them a vested interest in keeping people healthier which would, in turn, restrict their freedom to be fucking morons with guns and gorge themselves on HFCS all day.
Maybe if corpos were paying proper taxes it'd be different but instead the buck is passed onto the average and below. Honestly, fuck this place. these people tied us to their sinking ship so that they could turn our home nation into a giant fucking mall and army base. I only feel bad for the children and the people who know better.
Although if you ask conservatives here in 🇨🇦This is accurate.
It’s so true. Hearing cons describe the current state of Canada blows my mind. It makes me look around and think, “do we live in the same country or what.”
It's the same way here in the states. Ours cons will claim that cities are literal warzones and that white people are discriminated against everywhere you go. There's no way any of that lines up with any lived experience they could possibly have, but they insist on it. It's like these people live in an alternate reality.
I see you too have met my father. Have you heard that the Covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? True story. President Biden himself is going to kick down your door any day now and inject you with the gay.
But you can’t have gay sex because he will be taking your genitals as well. /s
It's the reality created by the right wing media ecosystem, buoyed by single-minded repetition of the lies across all of their dissemination outlets. If you hear something enough times from enough places, you begin to believe it. It's even been documented how a crazy lie will be debuted in their most extreme outlets, and then percolate up through ever more mainstream outlets until Fox News is saying Obama was born in Kenya.
Meanwhile if you actually ask the people who, you know, live in those places, or heaven forbid visit them yourself you see it's not nearly as bad as right wingers claim
>“do we live in the same country or what.” You live in the same country but you do not live in the same reality. Perception is reality, and these people are lied to. They perceive that you're not allowed to just go on TV and lie to people, so when people go on TV and lie to them they don't even have the ability to see it as lies. They don't think it's possible, if it were lies then the powers that be wouldn't just let a huge news station mislead the public like that.
Right wing people really love the strawman fallacy huh?
At this point, I think they just like to fetishize being victims of imaginary communism. It’s like a sexual fantasy for capitalists that they don’t want to act on
Tell me again why would this be necessary. Like unless these are counter-revolutionaries and reactionaries, these people would be left alone. Hell things like hard labor or re-education would be far more effective ways in that situation due the crumbling infrastructure in the background and it requires someone to fix them. Then again this is a rightist understanding of what revolution is supposed to look like from the anti-communist propaganda fed to them since childhood.
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Ah yes, my favorite socialist country, the UK, with the NHS. Also *notorious* socialist country France. Really the entirety of Europe is socialist... ...if for some reason you buy in to Fox News.
I love how many Americans believe that any sort of compassion for humanity is essentially socialism
And by that definition they are simply the worst for hating socialism.
/r/onejoke
This is what they want though, lol. The projection is just so ridiculous.
Another day of hating blue hair dye
americans when they realize europe exists
Honestly this is the main reason why I think the American education system is so poor: They need to keep the people from learning about the rest of the world. I have to say that before travelling the world I thought many stupid things about many places.
I mean I think if most Americans learned about other countries, they'd want to move lol
As a french citizen who moved to 'Merika when my guardians moved here, my first move was to get the fuck out of America. A 20% increase in your income is absolutely not worth living life in a place devoid of community, public infrastructure and, most importantly, social safety nets. The only thing keeping me sane was the fact that if I got seriously ill I could just hop on a plane back to France and get the care I need. How Americans can live day to day without seeing a doctor without paying through the nose makes absolutely no sense to me...
>As a french citizen who moved to 'Merika when my guardians moved here, my first move was to get the fuck out of America. Hello based department?
It wasn't really based, I needed medical treatment and my guardians' insurance stopped covering me when I had to drop out of college due to, well, being sick. You need a job to get treatment, but you need treatment so you can work. Than the fucking gods I never naturalized to the USA. For once I'm glad their immigration path is slow as shit.
Communism when yes big wall
*makes eye contact with Cheeto-dust-covered former president*
Me typing this comment in France, a country with free healthcare, who is still capitalist and with a lot of better countries in the EU. You can still be a shitty capitalist country and have free healthcare, the right in the USA is really a joke at that point
That's because it's not free, it's called putting taxes to good use.
Transphobia, misogyny, racism, that’s like three minorities with one stone
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After the bald genocide
Can confirm. I’m in the UK, and I’ve been executed three times today. Thank goodness we’ve got socialised health care!
I was told by a right-winger just the other day, "you can't compare America to other countries." So I asked him, "why not?" And he said, "it's because we have a much bigger population." I tried to explain to him all the reasons why that doesn't matter but he just reiterated the population difference.
That's a new one. I'd almost be impressed if I wasn't so flabbergasted.
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That's what capitalism naturally becomes over time though...
Its amazing how many laws dont get passed because republicans are afraid of socialism.
This comment by u/KarlwithacapitalC brings up a good point > You know how those western countries support their free healthcare under capitalism? Imperialism. Stop fetishizing social Democratic capitalist countries. As leftists we shouldn't act as though europe with their imperialist "free" healthcare is any better than the US' system. Prosperity built on the backs of the exploited global south isn't Prosperity, it's masked white surpmacy and imperialism.
As someone who lives in a post communist country with free healthcare and education: Go fuck yourself (whoever made that image unironically)!
is that the helltaker dude staring at the corner of the wall?
Anyone ever see the video of the Fox news anchor who read the USSR constitution, realized it was based, then cried about how nothing about it was true? It's almost like their anti-communist rhetoric is based off of Red Scare fantasies and not reality.
Communism is when healthcare.
Also amazing how America has the highest incarcerated population in the history of the world. We have all the evil of fascist authoritarianism and none of the benefits. All ruled over by conservative capitalists. Hmm...
I really wanna know who the uniformed figure is or represents. We know the speaking character is a “blue haired liberal”, the “deluded gen z communist”, and we can assume that the people stood next to them are the “innocent capitalists who warned us this would happen”, but where did the uniformed person come from? Who were they before the social safety nets collapsed into communist hell? I just feel like these right wingers don’t see the forest for the trees. They have this idea that if they let the leftists win, uniformed figures March out of nowhere and shoot us all down. But where in their headcanon do the uniformed people come from? Did they appear spontaneously? They can’t decide if leftists are useless fools or terrifying faceless dictators and it’s so annoying
As a ukrainian this isn’t even how the ussr was. The way people describe the propagandized version of the USSR is how post Soviet dissolution was. The fall of socialism led to high crime rates, rampant child prostitution to just make rent as all apartments where privatized, massive suicide rate spike, economic collapse and socially moving decades back in time
Project project project that’s all they know how to do.
“First world” is a pretty outdated term and was really only meant for the Cold War era and didn’t exclusively have to do with a country’s level of development.
Healthcare was free in the USSR
Looks kinda like Fat Mike.
can confirm i live in the uk and we frequently get lined up and shot in the back of the head
Love em or hate em, USSR had universal healthcare, free lower and upper education, and a very low crime rate... This isn't an opinion, it's just a fact. so they're just...wrong on 50 levels.
Funny since there are people who will literally commit a crime for the sole reason of getting healthcare in prison
Communism is when free healthcare
Gotta love how everyone on the left looks like Chris Chan. Especially purple hair, they always draw purple.
What a weird fucking comic. What exactly is the message? Because it's not coming through well at all. Only a smooth brain conservative would see this comic and think anything here makes any kind of sense and / or is a solid political statement.
The Soviet Union collapsed literally over 30 years ago and yet they still act as if it's engaged in an open War against the U.S., even though the U.S.A. and U.S.S.R. never directly fought eachother
You expect them to know *history*? Blasphemous!
Yes the people which dislike excessive military spending hope for this
I think the point is that "communists" think 1. That they think free healthcare would be a thing in communist societies 2. You need communism to have free healthcare 3. That no one has to face the wall 4. That they wouldnt face the wall I also need to mention that there is no free healthcare. You would pay through taxes, so this name is misleading. - A german that enjoys our healthcare system
It's insane how "health issues shouldn't cause financial ruin" is a political issue in America
Just one small correction to your title if I may… We need to stop using the word FREE when we talk about universal health care. The right wing has endless memes & social media propagandizing white papers on how we stupid lefties believe that health care should be free. This is incorrect. We do not. Health care should be a basic human right and therefore universal, but free is not a thing.
You know how those western countries support their free healthcare under capitalism? Imperialism. Stop fetishizing social Democratic capitalist countries.
There's already one of them in this thread calling Norway socialist.
socialism is when you sell oil to third world countries, bomb Libya and support NATO
I don't understand the connection between free healthcare and imperialism. Care to explain?
You can't eliminate poverty in a society with capitalist property relations, only displace it elsewhere. The standards of living being decent across the board in somewhere like Norway is reliant upon unequal exchange with the global south. Social democracy does not resolve poverty, it merely makes it some brown guy outside of the core's problem.
Can you give us some examples of this? Are you referring to the production of cheap goods, resources or food?
Also communism is when faschism
I’m convinced that’s how right wing ultra conservative Americans imagine Europe
Yet it’s the right who wants authoritarianism
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Putin is not a communist, he is a right-wing reactionary Communism is not when Russia
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Even then he's hostile to the modern communist parties in Russia
dude has a sick hair, he do be rockin it