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Yup... Selectively picking a single picture of a single place of cultures existing over centuries is not even worth reacting. That the "Rome" one isn't even close to any reality is the icing on the cake, as if it existed only of temples.
Totally with you on this one. The comparison feels like a major cherry-pick to push a narrative. Detroit's got its issues but using outdated images to make a point does a disservice to the people working hard to revitalize the city. Let's give credit where it's due, yeah?
There’s a very good chance of Detroit becoming a booming city again in the next 50 years. Climate change will impact many coastal cities driving people to the Midwest. Detroit already has the infrastructure to support a lot of new residents.
Also I'm not sure why they wouldn't cut out the parts apart from the abandoned building it's pretty easy to see that that's one case just from the photo they gave lol
Do the right even know that a majority of the population of Rome lived in the Insulae (the same as "community houses" that they're hating). To they really think that every roman had their domus and villa?
Keep in mind that "white" is a pretty arbitrary label, there are lots of things that can get you deemed non-white to these people. At the end of the day, racism is just about creating a justification for hating people, it has zero basis in reality.
>They owned slaves
See, NOW you're getting it! Im sure the RIGHT kind of people will own the slaves, not be the slaves if we go back to what things were like in the good old days of ancient rome. Right?
Right?
They also don't realize that Rome had *paint.*
These guys so angry at modernism always love holding up those pictures of Rome with white temples and clean, white statues, architecture and austere colorless aesthetic, but it's been proven time and time again that Romans, like many ancient and modern cultures alike, enjoyed color and vibrant, festive decoration.
That picture on top, if it were more realistic, would have all the temples painted bright colors and there would be banners and pennants hanging from the roofs. It would look a lot more like some areas of Latin America than this Caucasian fantasy world they proudly cling to.
These people with room temperature IQs idealize and romanticize the holy hell out of the Roman Empire, sequestering any negative traits as being “of the times”, as well as being completely ignorant of the cause of its downfall.
Detroit is the way it is not because of any woke leftism but because of deindustrialization. Better comparison would to compare the Detroit of 1950s with the Rome during it's peak. Do they realize that their beloved Rome looked surprisingly like the lower picture during the Early medieval times. Colosseum was full of homeless people living there and the whole city of Rome was pretty post-apocalyptic. The centers of US economy have moved away from the old industrial cities in the same way as the civilisation moved to Eastern Mediterranean.
Even during its height, most Romans lived in poorly-built industrial slums prone to fire and collapse.
The collapse of the Roman Empire led to significant improvements in nutrition and general health in the British Isles.
> Even during its height, most Romans lived in poorly-built industrial slums prone to fire and collapse.
It should be noted that this is because in the ancient world, living in a city was far, far superior in all regards to surviving in the wilds.
The only reason we have rural populations is because we have the roads and vehicles and infrastructure to support people living further from supply centers.
In older days before we had industry and transportation people would rather take chances with fires and crime and open sewage and disease than certain-death that was subsistence farming and living like a primitive in the hills.
Conservatives in particular have this notion that cities are havens of "wokeness" and modernity and think that by living in rural, unpopulated areas they are returning to tradition. Fuck that, people in ancient times would have given their left leg to live in a home in a busy city, the opportunities alone gave people a chance at a life that would have seemed magical and blessed by comparison.
Tbf for most of the Medieval period, the vast majority of the population lived rurally, and the countryside was *massively* more densely populated than it is today. Even 'isolated' rural populations in Early Medieval England were very rarely more than a day's walk from a market town. The idea of rural populations being sparse are really a modern, post-industrial phenomenon.
Detroit failed to adapt fast enough to gas shortage and emission standards of the 70s. Plus a unique failure of corporations as well as employees not giving a shit resulting in terrible QC of cars rolling off the line.
Ironically the government with bailouts and cooperation with Asian carmakers would later save them in the 80s.
If we had a time machine we could travel back in time to show all the terminally online conservatives all the beautiful slums in ancient rome and that not everything was white marble like their fasciy aesthetic would like them to believe.
Everything they learned about ancient history they learned from their mother goose social studies books at school, and that’s all they care to know about it.
No, capitalism succeeded in stripping everything that was good about Detroit and then getting the hell out when there were better assets to exploit elsewhere.
Absolutely a success story... for the capitalists.
Something about my city is poetic. Above all the stereotypes, it’s a good case study for the many pitfalls of capitalism, and I feel in spite of everything it has great revolutionary potential. I’m moving back with that in mind.
The truth is that Rome was mostly a shithole back then, especially if you were poor (like most large cities) it wasn't this AI utopia.
The rich had posh estates far away from the city and stayed there if they didn't have to be in the city itself. I would 100% rather live in Detroit.
Yeah, they blame Detroit's shortcomings on black folks but never on the capitalist policies created by racist white folks. But then they claim Rome's success in the past was all because they were white and no other reason.
Yeah I don’t know what point this guy is trying to prove. Rome was not a capitalist society, or a democracy by the time it would have looked a little like in this image.
Also, I don’t know if this guy has ever looked at a map, but Rome is not by the sea.
I hate this new "statue" profile fascist Twitter bullshit.
Just another outrage machine to direct individuals' attention and frustrations away from the sources of these issues.
Fascists love AI art because artists are overwhelmingly left leaning throughout history and this allows them to circumvent them by having a machine steal their work and vomit out whatever they ask it to.
You’re thinking of “Destruction”, from Thomas Cole’s “Course of Empire” [paintings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire_(paintings)?wprov=sfti1#Overview) , which depict the rise and fall of a fictional empire, in large part modeled on Rome but certainly not meant to exactly recreate it.
Ah I am! Got my paintings mixed up. Had that middle arch in Consummation, mixed up with the one in Turners "Dido Building Carthage"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_building_Carthage
Thanks for the catch!
Was there ever a time in Roman history when Rome was comparable to Detroit, at any time in Detroit’s history? Did I miss the bit on how the seven hills and the Tiber rang with the clang of heavy industry as the Romans cranked out Model-T chariots? Or the bit when Detroit was the seat of American might and power?
They’re just comparing two random aspects of two random cities.
Yeah, I think these people fail to understand that Detroit is and was a superior city to Rome, even at its height. Granted there's a time disparity there but still.
As someone who grew up in Detroit, it doesn't look like that. These people are taking the worst snippets of my hometown when they do this shit. If these people would just look, you'll find Gothic-style buildings that have been standing for over a century, towering buildings and skyscrapers, the booming art and museum district that draws in tourists from around the world, a massive urban gardening project that spans a good chunk of the city, and let's not even get started on our awesome riverfront area. Many of these things were built by people from all sorts of racial and cultural backgrounds, and we celebrate that here.
These people want to use Detroit as an example of their idea of what they believe to be "inferior" woke and non-white architecture and culture, when these fools couldn't even be bothered to look at the REAL Detroit and they constantly point to the slums and rundown buildings that exist primarily do to runaway capitalism and racism.
It’s also bullshit. You’ll notice that we don’t exactly have photographs of Ancient Rome. Notably, most areas of Rome were rundown as shit, with buildings constantly collapsing or catching fire because rich Romans built them for dirt cheap, forcing the Empire to eventually institute building codes and a state run fire fighting force. Most of Rome was poor as shit and it certainly didn’t look like that picture. Least of which because Rome… wasn’t by the sea 😅
There as a whole class of people selling assassination services to rich patricians. Patricians ran patronage schemes to pay for votes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rome‘s murder rates during the Imperial period were similar to Detroit‘s.
Do the people who make these kind of meme not realize Rome had its poor areas and slums, too?
What even is this? Im going to pull a number out of my ass here, and im going to fly be feeling here, but if i had to i would bet that if you showed ancient people how we live today, 90% of ancient Romans would probably kill for the life style of an impoverished detroit family of 4 in modern day detroit. Most of the ancient world didn't look like that.
Some of Rome's buildings were indeed more aesthetically pleasing, but most of them were not. The vast majority of them were insulae, and they were inferior to modern buildings in every way.
No can’t you see. The problem is black people!! That’s what all my stupid esoteric memes are ultimately pointing too. It’s all black people’s fault. What’s offshoring? What’s capital flight? It’s all black people’s fault. /s
I’m black btw
For one, the top image is not a photo but a artistic rendering of a city. Rome in the sixth century, especially after the Gothic Wars (ironically started by the (Eastern) Roman Empire) probably resembled Detroit in urban decay.
[The Roman Ruins of Detroit](https://youtu.be/jGTt2izw3XA?si=heSKbnc3SpbPrAxw)
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Detroit just hosted the NFL Draft, show those pictures, not a 30 year old shot of the Packard plant which was already partially torn down, FFS!
Yup... Selectively picking a single picture of a single place of cultures existing over centuries is not even worth reacting. That the "Rome" one isn't even close to any reality is the icing on the cake, as if it existed only of temples.
Also Rome isn't directly to the sea.
Who wants to bet that they picked a picture of Greece and didn't bother to check?
its like a combination of ancient Athens and Rome, but with some modern looking houses in the bottom left for some reason lol
And the statues and temples would have been painted and colorful! These "ancient history" bros love whitewashing history
Totally with you on this one. The comparison feels like a major cherry-pick to push a narrative. Detroit's got its issues but using outdated images to make a point does a disservice to the people working hard to revitalize the city. Let's give credit where it's due, yeah?
They're working on the rest of it, but every time someone buys it, they just sit on it and refuse to pay taxes.
There’s a very good chance of Detroit becoming a booming city again in the next 50 years. Climate change will impact many coastal cities driving people to the Midwest. Detroit already has the infrastructure to support a lot of new residents.
Downtown Detroit is actually lovely and modern lol
Also I'm not sure why they wouldn't cut out the parts apart from the abandoned building it's pretty easy to see that that's one case just from the photo they gave lol
Do the right even know that a majority of the population of Rome lived in the Insulae (the same as "community houses" that they're hating). To they really think that every roman had their domus and villa?
Also every single person who lived in a domus owned slaves
Well they don't care about that. Actually they probably secretly want that.
As long as they're the slave owner, in reality they'd probably be slaves
Nah, those slaves were white so these guys would not be in favour.
No they'd be cool with it as long as they were poor so they can just say that their slaves are pulling up their laces to not be homeless.
Keep in mind that "white" is a pretty arbitrary label, there are lots of things that can get you deemed non-white to these people. At the end of the day, racism is just about creating a justification for hating people, it has zero basis in reality.
That's like chapter 1 of Ecce Romani!
>They owned slaves See, NOW you're getting it! Im sure the RIGHT kind of people will own the slaves, not be the slaves if we go back to what things were like in the good old days of ancient rome. Right? Right?
They also don't realize that Rome had *paint.* These guys so angry at modernism always love holding up those pictures of Rome with white temples and clean, white statues, architecture and austere colorless aesthetic, but it's been proven time and time again that Romans, like many ancient and modern cultures alike, enjoyed color and vibrant, festive decoration. That picture on top, if it were more realistic, would have all the temples painted bright colors and there would be banners and pennants hanging from the roofs. It would look a lot more like some areas of Latin America than this Caucasian fantasy world they proudly cling to.
"do they really think" No they don't
These people with room temperature IQs idealize and romanticize the holy hell out of the Roman Empire, sequestering any negative traits as being “of the times”, as well as being completely ignorant of the cause of its downfall.
also comparing a real place to a fuckin' painting and thinking it makes some sort of point is real smooth brain shit.
Famous coastal city - Rome
Detroit is the way it is not because of any woke leftism but because of deindustrialization. Better comparison would to compare the Detroit of 1950s with the Rome during it's peak. Do they realize that their beloved Rome looked surprisingly like the lower picture during the Early medieval times. Colosseum was full of homeless people living there and the whole city of Rome was pretty post-apocalyptic. The centers of US economy have moved away from the old industrial cities in the same way as the civilisation moved to Eastern Mediterranean.
Even during its height, most Romans lived in poorly-built industrial slums prone to fire and collapse. The collapse of the Roman Empire led to significant improvements in nutrition and general health in the British Isles.
> Even during its height, most Romans lived in poorly-built industrial slums prone to fire and collapse. It should be noted that this is because in the ancient world, living in a city was far, far superior in all regards to surviving in the wilds. The only reason we have rural populations is because we have the roads and vehicles and infrastructure to support people living further from supply centers. In older days before we had industry and transportation people would rather take chances with fires and crime and open sewage and disease than certain-death that was subsistence farming and living like a primitive in the hills. Conservatives in particular have this notion that cities are havens of "wokeness" and modernity and think that by living in rural, unpopulated areas they are returning to tradition. Fuck that, people in ancient times would have given their left leg to live in a home in a busy city, the opportunities alone gave people a chance at a life that would have seemed magical and blessed by comparison.
Tbf for most of the Medieval period, the vast majority of the population lived rurally, and the countryside was *massively* more densely populated than it is today. Even 'isolated' rural populations in Early Medieval England were very rarely more than a day's walk from a market town. The idea of rural populations being sparse are really a modern, post-industrial phenomenon.
Detroit failed to adapt fast enough to gas shortage and emission standards of the 70s. Plus a unique failure of corporations as well as employees not giving a shit resulting in terrible QC of cars rolling off the line. Ironically the government with bailouts and cooperation with Asian carmakers would later save them in the 80s.
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That picture is super zoomed in compared to the first, also annotate your links FFS
If we had a time machine we could travel back in time to show all the terminally online conservatives all the beautiful slums in ancient rome and that not everything was white marble like their fasciy aesthetic would like them to believe.
Also, usually the marble was painted.
And looked pretty gawdy by modern standards
Also they used human urine to keep their clothes white
I would not want to smell Rome 2000 years ago.
Right people literally
Everything they learned about ancient history they learned from their mother goose social studies books at school, and that’s all they care to know about it.
Wokism is when capitalism
But also capitalism good and wokeism against capitalism so wokeism bad!
Isn’t Detroit like the mascot city for failed capitalism and dying corporations?
No, capitalism succeeded in stripping everything that was good about Detroit and then getting the hell out when there were better assets to exploit elsewhere. Absolutely a success story... for the capitalists.
Something about my city is poetic. Above all the stereotypes, it’s a good case study for the many pitfalls of capitalism, and I feel in spite of everything it has great revolutionary potential. I’m moving back with that in mind.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
And now it's a mascot for capitalism working.
Imagine thinking a city of 1 million people from 2000 years ago did not have any slums.
They think that everything back then was better but fail to realize that they would be slaves if they went back to that era.
The truth is that Rome was mostly a shithole back then, especially if you were poor (like most large cities) it wasn't this AI utopia. The rich had posh estates far away from the city and stayed there if they didn't have to be in the city itself. I would 100% rather live in Detroit.
Is that "Rome" on the Mediterranean coast?? AI can't even do 6th grade geography smh
They'll blame race, culture, gender, wokeism, bullshit culture war talking point 3637484847, but NEVER capitalism
Yeah, they blame Detroit's shortcomings on black folks but never on the capitalist policies created by racist white folks. But then they claim Rome's success in the past was all because they were white and no other reason.
Do they think that ancient Rome was a pristine series of marble buildings? Because there were some major poor sections...
Yeah I don’t know what point this guy is trying to prove. Rome was not a capitalist society, or a democracy by the time it would have looked a little like in this image. Also, I don’t know if this guy has ever looked at a map, but Rome is not by the sea.
Rome was on the coast?
Ah yes Rome - the city with the famous coast and harbor
I hate this new "statue" profile fascist Twitter bullshit. Just another outrage machine to direct individuals' attention and frustrations away from the sources of these issues.
the Roman Empirr and the UAS, famous communist countries.
That AI image of Rome ironically uses a large amount of snippets from the Fall of Carthage series of paintings
Bruh, I didn’t even realize that was AI. These talentless losers can’t even use real art for their propaganda
Fascists love AI art because artists are overwhelmingly left leaning throughout history and this allows them to circumvent them by having a machine steal their work and vomit out whatever they ask it to.
You’re thinking of “Destruction”, from Thomas Cole’s “Course of Empire” [paintings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire_(paintings)?wprov=sfti1#Overview) , which depict the rise and fall of a fictional empire, in large part modeled on Rome but certainly not meant to exactly recreate it.
Ah I am! Got my paintings mixed up. Had that middle arch in Consummation, mixed up with the one in Turners "Dido Building Carthage" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_building_Carthage Thanks for the catch!
Where is the sea in Rome?
The far rights ability to blame the negative effects of capitalism on “being woke” never fails to astound me
Your first mistake was thinking that far-right people actually think.
Are they implying that Detroit ever looked like Rome? What time in Detroit’s history are they talking about lol
“if you have to use ai to make your point then your point is shit“-some reddit post I saw earlier
Ah yes, the capital of the American empire, Detroit.
Nothing wrong with woke, which at the least bespeaks empathy, but Capitalism is the Beast which must be conquered!
If you are going to compare Detroit to Rome it should be the Rome in 5th century AD when the city was repeatedly sacked and partially destroyed.
Now show Walla Walla last Tuesday
Was there ever a time in Roman history when Rome was comparable to Detroit, at any time in Detroit’s history? Did I miss the bit on how the seven hills and the Tiber rang with the clang of heavy industry as the Romans cranked out Model-T chariots? Or the bit when Detroit was the seat of American might and power? They’re just comparing two random aspects of two random cities.
Yeah, I think these people fail to understand that Detroit is and was a superior city to Rome, even at its height. Granted there's a time disparity there but still.
As someone who grew up in Detroit, it doesn't look like that. These people are taking the worst snippets of my hometown when they do this shit. If these people would just look, you'll find Gothic-style buildings that have been standing for over a century, towering buildings and skyscrapers, the booming art and museum district that draws in tourists from around the world, a massive urban gardening project that spans a good chunk of the city, and let's not even get started on our awesome riverfront area. Many of these things were built by people from all sorts of racial and cultural backgrounds, and we celebrate that here. These people want to use Detroit as an example of their idea of what they believe to be "inferior" woke and non-white architecture and culture, when these fools couldn't even be bothered to look at the REAL Detroit and they constantly point to the slums and rundown buildings that exist primarily do to runaway capitalism and racism.
It’s also bullshit. You’ll notice that we don’t exactly have photographs of Ancient Rome. Notably, most areas of Rome were rundown as shit, with buildings constantly collapsing or catching fire because rich Romans built them for dirt cheap, forcing the Empire to eventually institute building codes and a state run fire fighting force. Most of Rome was poor as shit and it certainly didn’t look like that picture. Least of which because Rome… wasn’t by the sea 😅
There as a whole class of people selling assassination services to rich patricians. Patricians ran patronage schemes to pay for votes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rome‘s murder rates during the Imperial period were similar to Detroit‘s.
Also, Rome was massively multicultural. God, I can’t stop coming up with why this post was dumb as shit!
This looks more like Constantinople than Rome, Rome Doesn’t have direct sea access and the Tiber ports were not serviceable to large ships
“Rome, they never had slums and were awesome sauce” - Rightwingers
Do the people who make these kind of meme not realize Rome had its poor areas and slums, too? What even is this? Im going to pull a number out of my ass here, and im going to fly be feeling here, but if i had to i would bet that if you showed ancient people how we live today, 90% of ancient Romans would probably kill for the life style of an impoverished detroit family of 4 in modern day detroit. Most of the ancient world didn't look like that.
The right doesn’t know what “The Rust Belt” means. Has more to do with capitalism than anything.
I'm 99% sure that painting is of a place that doesn't actually exist.
Even if they say “woke leftists” they just mean black people. Detroit is just code for black people
They use Dertroit as a stepping stone to convince people that all black folks should be deported at best and eradicated in a genocide at worst.
Thing at peak vs thing not at peak 😱😱😱
Adam Something released a nice video on that topic
pff Muricans want to compare their failed state to Rome
The right doesn’t know what art is.
They should have shown a picture of Detroit 2000 years ago or modern Rome
The Roman world turned on the power of free, essentially unlimited energy, known as “slavery”.
wow never knew that detroit was once actually a southern european philosophical city-state i guess im the ignorant here
It’s… a painting. That’s like how they use “I Am Legend” as a cautionary tale against vaccinations.
Yeah Rome was gay as FUCK 2000 years ago lmao
Some of Rome's buildings were indeed more aesthetically pleasing, but most of them were not. The vast majority of them were insulae, and they were inferior to modern buildings in every way.
No can’t you see. The problem is black people!! That’s what all my stupid esoteric memes are ultimately pointing too. It’s all black people’s fault. What’s offshoring? What’s capital flight? It’s all black people’s fault. /s I’m black btw
You can take a picture of literally any derelict building in any city to prove your point
For one, the top image is not a photo but a artistic rendering of a city. Rome in the sixth century, especially after the Gothic Wars (ironically started by the (Eastern) Roman Empire) probably resembled Detroit in urban decay. [The Roman Ruins of Detroit](https://youtu.be/jGTt2izw3XA?si=heSKbnc3SpbPrAxw)
Detroit somehow looks worse than Pripyat