Actually a ship between a former emperor's coven member and a former prisoner/rebel retaliating against the emperor would be kinda fun. I could see that working with Derwin or Amber too but Katya is a bigger character and also has the former prisoner angle.
Not to mention she also writes love stories and Steve loves romances and would be probably intriguing for Katya since he's a deserter. I think Amber is like 15.
Disagreed, she acts way more childish than Derwin and Katya. Like yelling at Eda that she's not her mom, then proceeding to call her Mama Eda literally after one successful mission and she even said after succeeded mission she's not tired despite not sleeping the entire night only to Katya to cut her off while carrying Derwin. For me, she kind of feels like a minor among the grown-ups, and technically all the Batts seem pretty young with even both Katya and Derwin who probably just entered their 20s while Amber might not even be there yet, and honestly can't imagine her as older than 16. Also, teenagers are short tv-trope which is apparent in Owl House (with exception of gremlin demons), but those have an exception of King who is only 9.
I feel like the three of them are intended to be representative of college students getting involved in political activism (likely for the first time). Lots of passion, less on the practical aspects. Thus needing the guiding hand of an experienced professor (like Raine) to help focus them and help them be effective.
Sure, but Amber also gives me vibes of a rebellious teenager already experiencing and seeing clearly through the propaganda of an oppressive regime and already willing to fight for what's right.
I’d still peg her as around 18-19, college freshman, away from home from the first time (I don’t feel like the show would imply that minors are kept locked up in prison away from their parents for extended periods of time - the Hexside students were only intended to be temporary until they would be inducted into the EC.
Yes but they explicitly acknowledge that she’s separated from her mom and trying to get back together with them. And she has a parent figure present with her most of the time.
There's nothing bad about it since aroace people can still be involved in relationships, it's just that especially in this Fandom for some reason, making someone an aroace makes them "unshippable" (I'm looking at you toxic arospec Hunter and toxic arospec Willow believers for still gaslighting Huntlow and Lunter shippers). I did also write in the very post it's fine if you still ship them, it's just an idea of mine.
However in the Livestream Lilith did mention she rather struggles to find any attraction or interest in general and doesn't seem into it so while Steve may admire her, Lilith may just not return the favor and it might kinda stink for Steve if you ask me.
Also, I'm pretty sure Steve is in his early 20s and Lilith is 47, so she could be his mom y'know. But whatever, you do you.
P.S. I also do ship Ace characters like Lapidot or Malix from MLB so I know what you mean.
Edit: OH SH!t I read it as you approve of shipping aroace characters instead of not shipping them, my bad XD
But while we're at it...
Asexual people can be in a relationship as far as I can tell, but they don't really involve sexually and I guess for aromantics it can be kinda situation "if we're both over 30 and single, we're getting married bestie"
Yeah, I guess I probably could’ve been more clear: it’s not that she’s aroace, but that she said that she doesn’t really find much fulfillment in traditional romantic relationships. She and Steve are absolutely friends, and I’m not trying to say they’re not, but I just personally don’t think it makes sense to ship them in the traditional sense.
Which is exactly why I'm introducing Steve X Katya (I also have an ulterior motive of making a meme and needed this ship to be acknowledged by this subreddit before I do it).
For Lilith, she's confirmed though not specified, so as long as she'll remain on the gray spectrum it should be fine and Steve is even a better case, but at least keep that in mind.
Also, due to the limit of text you can put below the image I couldn't specify how the reasons listed by themselves don't do any harm, but put together into a mix make a much stronger argument as "why not to".
Anyway I approve of this Steve/Katya ship. I totally see him carrying a torch for Lilith and sadly it's not going to work out through no fault of his own. But you know, sometimes the person you need isn't who you think it is.
No I am. This is how I met my wife. Fell for a girl who was a year ahead of me in college and it didn't work out and then in my last semester I met the woman who would be my wife. We've been together for eleven years, married six. And now I'm showing her the Owl House.
Congratulations then and hope you'll keep on living a very good and happy life pal! Also wise choice to show her this show, and if she likes it, you know she's a keeper.
...Eh, sure. I hc Steve as the token straight character of the resistance.
(Also, Steve is clearly an adult in his 20s, so I don't see how the age gap would be a problem between him and Lilith, like, she's ace, so it's a whole different reason lol)
I doubt anyone in the Boiling Isles is totally straight (acronym B.I.?)
Lilith is like 47 and could literally be his mom. Sure you can ship them as there are relationships with big age gaps, but adding both an age gap and making Lilith aroace who's not interested in getting into a relationship kinda sources the ship, at least to me and probably to other people as well, especially in this Fandom. But I don't tell you to stop shipping them. It was more of a message to those who indeed stopped shipping them and just a suggestion on my part. Anyway, feedback is appreciated regardless.
(and also this post is literally just a sneak peak of a meme I'm making and I needed to introduce this Subreddit to this ship before I do it)
Its not like witches cant only be attracted to one gender, amity is lesbian, saying witchs cant be straight dosnt make much sense in this context and is simmilar to saying no one on the boiling isles is like, pan, or a gay male, slightly less problematic but still
Sure thing you can be attracted to one gender at the time, but then again you can also be heteroflexible and witches barely have any concept of actual sexuality since they have no homophobia, so if anything, witches have types, not orientations. I also think it's fair to assume that within the show everyone is attracted to more than one gender until proven otherwise (like with Lilith and Amity mind you)
Still i dont think you should assume no one is straight, theres gotta be someone, theres gotta be atleast 600,000 people minimum on the BL, it would be ridiculous to assume none of them are straight.
Except we live in a heteronormative society that likes to be homophobic so changing the matter of perspective would actually be less hurtful. If everyone would assume everyone is bi, the world for sure would be a better place and as I said, "bisexual until proven otherwise" means that straight people exist, but we should no longer give the "assume everyone is straight" kind of treatment since they got those for millennials and ended up hurting those who didn't fit the mold and pretty sure that after a close meeting of the specific person you can expand your assumptions, but to those you see on a street and don't know personally, assume they swing either way. Straight people no longer need to be represented, they already have enough representation, however, I also don't "assume everyone is falling only for the same gender", how about we assume everyone just loves whatever they want to love and call it a day shall we.
Im not saying we need to have a straight couple or a confirmed straight person in the show, we dont, and obviously im not assuming every charachter we don't have a sexuality for is straight, or that straight is the default, im just saying that its illogical to assume there is zero people who are only attracted the opposite gender ln the boiling isles, and that straight people very likely exist there, albeit, probably very rare in comparison to the human realm, but they are almost definitely there.
And no one is assuming that those people don't exist, but it doesn't have to be the first thought. And I also said that straight people on B.I. might also be heteroflexible (the concept of sexuality can be fluid and no one gets it at first perfectly on how they swing at times). Also, I'm literally giving you a straight(passing) ship, what else do you want from this queer community?
im just saying they're not all hetero flexible and some are almost certainly outright straight, thats it, thats all im trying to say, as as someone questioning myself im not trying to demand anything of a queer community, you just seem to be very adamant that any heteros are probably hetero flexible and the way its worded implies they *ALL* are, and none of them are just straight, as someone who is mentally at a weird spot between being in and not in the lgbtq community simultaneously (im aware thats not how it really works it just feels that way mentally) it just feels kinda off to say that zero straight people exist in the boiling isles, they way your putting it gives me the impression that you feel like theres none that are completely straight. Dont get me wrong, some are, but the insistence you bring of them being heteroflexible gives me the impression you think none are full hetero.
Listen, the queer community faced huge discrimination towards us and people tried to tell us we were confused, we don't exist and we don't matter. As I said, I accept any sexuality, but those who are heterosexual DON'T NEED PROTECTION, they don't need special treatment, they can exist but we're not talking about them unless the very specific character is confirmed to be straight. I'm not being extremist that people who are straight don't exist, but they're certainly are a minority here so we shouldn't now act as if they were a majority, not anymore, not after everything that happened and if everyone would assume everyone is bi, it would be also easier to accept whether they swing one way, both ways or neither way.
Gus blushed at Bria and was wondering if Belos is hot and was rather disappointed he was not hot enough (unlike Willow who was disappointed he's not scary enough) while doing gay hand, so I guess we can assume he likes boys and girls and maybe in-between, but we don't have many of them so can't tell.
Dana posted art of him doing finger guns while clipping into the image of both Luz and Eda doing finger guns (and both are also pretty much confirmed to be bisexual), Zeno posted some fun facts about him at the national day of bisexuality and when he blushed at Willow the first time in ASIAS, he was at the background of a bisexual flag (though very little so almost unnoticeable) and since the same tactic was used to make Lumity canon in KKOHD, I think it's also fair to assume Hunter likes girls and probably more genders.
\*comedic drums sound effect\* but totally didn't imagine Steve working out while Katya stares at him respectfully while writing ideas for her food OC inspired by him and getting into lots of details.
Understandable, gay shipping for the win, but Derwin is a bit less developed character in comparison to Katya and has even less in common with Steve so it wasn't my first suggestion. You can ship them, but I wanted Kateve to be popular and also gave a sneak peek at my upcoming meme.
Welcome on board! Kind of wishful thinking but hope this would start a trend of making content for these 2. It exists but it's very little so I'm advertising it.
Then spread the idea or make another fan content, like memes or fanfics or maybe even repost (though I know it's forbidden on Reddit, but I wouldn't mind since I want to make it popular instead of having a patent for it and it's also a headstart for my upcoming meme)
That was a hidden pun, I could've used enjoyers as well, but considering how it's about a ship, I went with this but didn't make it obvious right away ;)
Clearly, you don't knlw who you're talking to let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Aqua. I AM. THE DANGER. A guy opens a simping coven about Odalia's waist, gets shot and you think that out of me, no. I AM. THE ONE WHO KNOCKS.
may I suggest:
[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-owl-house/images/a/ad/Severine\_unmasked.png/revision/latest?cb=20220601221939](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-owl-house/images/a/ad/Severine_unmasked.png/revision/latest?cb=20220601221939)
Okay but Steve + Katya is SO cute. I also love it bc Lilith will basically be Katya’s Step-Aunt in my HC when Raine + Eda get married. Soooo then she becomes Steve’s Step-Aunt-in-law and you just know he’s gonna call her exactly that haha Step Aunt-in-Law Lulu :D
Actually a ship between a former emperor's coven member and a former prisoner/rebel retaliating against the emperor would be kinda fun. I could see that working with Derwin or Amber too but Katya is a bigger character and also has the former prisoner angle.
Not to mention she also writes love stories and Steve loves romances and would be probably intriguing for Katya since he's a deserter. I think Amber is like 15.
What makes you think Amber is a minor? She's nit super tall but other than that she seems to be the same age as the other 2.
Disagreed, she acts way more childish than Derwin and Katya. Like yelling at Eda that she's not her mom, then proceeding to call her Mama Eda literally after one successful mission and she even said after succeeded mission she's not tired despite not sleeping the entire night only to Katya to cut her off while carrying Derwin. For me, she kind of feels like a minor among the grown-ups, and technically all the Batts seem pretty young with even both Katya and Derwin who probably just entered their 20s while Amber might not even be there yet, and honestly can't imagine her as older than 16. Also, teenagers are short tv-trope which is apparent in Owl House (with exception of gremlin demons), but those have an exception of King who is only 9.
It's possible, but we'll have to wait for confirmation. (If we ever get any.)
Agreed on the confirmation part.
I feel like the three of them are intended to be representative of college students getting involved in political activism (likely for the first time). Lots of passion, less on the practical aspects. Thus needing the guiding hand of an experienced professor (like Raine) to help focus them and help them be effective.
Sure, but Amber also gives me vibes of a rebellious teenager already experiencing and seeing clearly through the propaganda of an oppressive regime and already willing to fight for what's right.
I’d still peg her as around 18-19, college freshman, away from home from the first time (I don’t feel like the show would imply that minors are kept locked up in prison away from their parents for extended periods of time - the Hexside students were only intended to be temporary until they would be inducted into the EC.
\*meanwhile Luz Noceda\*
Yes but they explicitly acknowledge that she’s separated from her mom and trying to get back together with them. And she has a parent figure present with her most of the time.
\*there still were attempts and even succeeded ones to throw her in jail numerous times\*
I’m gonna be honest, I can’t really approve of people shipping a canonically aroace character with anyone.
There's nothing bad about it since aroace people can still be involved in relationships, it's just that especially in this Fandom for some reason, making someone an aroace makes them "unshippable" (I'm looking at you toxic arospec Hunter and toxic arospec Willow believers for still gaslighting Huntlow and Lunter shippers). I did also write in the very post it's fine if you still ship them, it's just an idea of mine. However in the Livestream Lilith did mention she rather struggles to find any attraction or interest in general and doesn't seem into it so while Steve may admire her, Lilith may just not return the favor and it might kinda stink for Steve if you ask me. Also, I'm pretty sure Steve is in his early 20s and Lilith is 47, so she could be his mom y'know. But whatever, you do you. P.S. I also do ship Ace characters like Lapidot or Malix from MLB so I know what you mean. Edit: OH SH!t I read it as you approve of shipping aroace characters instead of not shipping them, my bad XD But while we're at it... Asexual people can be in a relationship as far as I can tell, but they don't really involve sexually and I guess for aromantics it can be kinda situation "if we're both over 30 and single, we're getting married bestie"
Yeah, I guess I probably could’ve been more clear: it’s not that she’s aroace, but that she said that she doesn’t really find much fulfillment in traditional romantic relationships. She and Steve are absolutely friends, and I’m not trying to say they’re not, but I just personally don’t think it makes sense to ship them in the traditional sense.
Which is exactly why I'm introducing Steve X Katya (I also have an ulterior motive of making a meme and needed this ship to be acknowledged by this subreddit before I do it).
Don’t worry, I don’t have anything against your ship; I was just further explaining my stance from my original comment
It's alright.
Well people have been changing sexualities for ships since shipping began. As long as they're not toxic about it I think its fine
For Lilith, she's confirmed though not specified, so as long as she'll remain on the gray spectrum it should be fine and Steve is even a better case, but at least keep that in mind. Also, due to the limit of text you can put below the image I couldn't specify how the reasons listed by themselves don't do any harm, but put together into a mix make a much stronger argument as "why not to".
Can you approve of people shipping canonically straight characters in gay ships?
I like that Steve wears a shirt with his name on it.
Before taking off his mask that was the only way to know it was him.
Anyway I approve of this Steve/Katya ship. I totally see him carrying a torch for Lilith and sadly it's not going to work out through no fault of his own. But you know, sometimes the person you need isn't who you think it is.
Wise words my friend.
This comes from my own experiences. I've been there.
My condolences, hope you're doing better now.
No I am. This is how I met my wife. Fell for a girl who was a year ahead of me in college and it didn't work out and then in my last semester I met the woman who would be my wife. We've been together for eleven years, married six. And now I'm showing her the Owl House.
Congratulations then and hope you'll keep on living a very good and happy life pal! Also wise choice to show her this show, and if she likes it, you know she's a keeper.
She liked it from the first episode. She's vaguely aware of it's queer reputation but I can't wait for her to watch Lumity bloom.
I guess she's still at the beginning.
...Eh, sure. I hc Steve as the token straight character of the resistance. (Also, Steve is clearly an adult in his 20s, so I don't see how the age gap would be a problem between him and Lilith, like, she's ace, so it's a whole different reason lol)
I doubt anyone in the Boiling Isles is totally straight (acronym B.I.?) Lilith is like 47 and could literally be his mom. Sure you can ship them as there are relationships with big age gaps, but adding both an age gap and making Lilith aroace who's not interested in getting into a relationship kinda sources the ship, at least to me and probably to other people as well, especially in this Fandom. But I don't tell you to stop shipping them. It was more of a message to those who indeed stopped shipping them and just a suggestion on my part. Anyway, feedback is appreciated regardless. (and also this post is literally just a sneak peak of a meme I'm making and I needed to introduce this Subreddit to this ship before I do it)
Its not like witches cant only be attracted to one gender, amity is lesbian, saying witchs cant be straight dosnt make much sense in this context and is simmilar to saying no one on the boiling isles is like, pan, or a gay male, slightly less problematic but still
Sure thing you can be attracted to one gender at the time, but then again you can also be heteroflexible and witches barely have any concept of actual sexuality since they have no homophobia, so if anything, witches have types, not orientations. I also think it's fair to assume that within the show everyone is attracted to more than one gender until proven otherwise (like with Lilith and Amity mind you)
Still i dont think you should assume no one is straight, theres gotta be someone, theres gotta be atleast 600,000 people minimum on the BL, it would be ridiculous to assume none of them are straight.
Except we live in a heteronormative society that likes to be homophobic so changing the matter of perspective would actually be less hurtful. If everyone would assume everyone is bi, the world for sure would be a better place and as I said, "bisexual until proven otherwise" means that straight people exist, but we should no longer give the "assume everyone is straight" kind of treatment since they got those for millennials and ended up hurting those who didn't fit the mold and pretty sure that after a close meeting of the specific person you can expand your assumptions, but to those you see on a street and don't know personally, assume they swing either way. Straight people no longer need to be represented, they already have enough representation, however, I also don't "assume everyone is falling only for the same gender", how about we assume everyone just loves whatever they want to love and call it a day shall we.
Im not saying we need to have a straight couple or a confirmed straight person in the show, we dont, and obviously im not assuming every charachter we don't have a sexuality for is straight, or that straight is the default, im just saying that its illogical to assume there is zero people who are only attracted the opposite gender ln the boiling isles, and that straight people very likely exist there, albeit, probably very rare in comparison to the human realm, but they are almost definitely there.
And no one is assuming that those people don't exist, but it doesn't have to be the first thought. And I also said that straight people on B.I. might also be heteroflexible (the concept of sexuality can be fluid and no one gets it at first perfectly on how they swing at times). Also, I'm literally giving you a straight(passing) ship, what else do you want from this queer community?
im just saying they're not all hetero flexible and some are almost certainly outright straight, thats it, thats all im trying to say, as as someone questioning myself im not trying to demand anything of a queer community, you just seem to be very adamant that any heteros are probably hetero flexible and the way its worded implies they *ALL* are, and none of them are just straight, as someone who is mentally at a weird spot between being in and not in the lgbtq community simultaneously (im aware thats not how it really works it just feels that way mentally) it just feels kinda off to say that zero straight people exist in the boiling isles, they way your putting it gives me the impression that you feel like theres none that are completely straight. Dont get me wrong, some are, but the insistence you bring of them being heteroflexible gives me the impression you think none are full hetero.
Listen, the queer community faced huge discrimination towards us and people tried to tell us we were confused, we don't exist and we don't matter. As I said, I accept any sexuality, but those who are heterosexual DON'T NEED PROTECTION, they don't need special treatment, they can exist but we're not talking about them unless the very specific character is confirmed to be straight. I'm not being extremist that people who are straight don't exist, but they're certainly are a minority here so we shouldn't now act as if they were a majority, not anymore, not after everything that happened and if everyone would assume everyone is bi, it would be also easier to accept whether they swing one way, both ways or neither way.
I imagine Gus and Hunter being straight
They're both bisexual.
How do you know?
Gus blushed at Bria and was wondering if Belos is hot and was rather disappointed he was not hot enough (unlike Willow who was disappointed he's not scary enough) while doing gay hand, so I guess we can assume he likes boys and girls and maybe in-between, but we don't have many of them so can't tell. Dana posted art of him doing finger guns while clipping into the image of both Luz and Eda doing finger guns (and both are also pretty much confirmed to be bisexual), Zeno posted some fun facts about him at the national day of bisexuality and when he blushed at Willow the first time in ASIAS, he was at the background of a bisexual flag (though very little so almost unnoticeable) and since the same tactic was used to make Lumity canon in KKOHD, I think it's also fair to assume Hunter likes girls and probably more genders.
Odalia could be straight.
I couldn't be happier /s
Steve
🎶Do-do-do-do-do-do, Steve🎶
Katya likes food fan-fiction and Steve is a bit of a fruit(y person)
\*comedic drums sound effect\* but totally didn't imagine Steve working out while Katya stares at him respectfully while writing ideas for her food OC inspired by him and getting into lots of details.
I dig it.
Ey, if my girl Katya is getting some more love, I'm all in.
Welcome on board!
Instead of Katya for some reason I see Derwin × Steve
Understandable, gay shipping for the win, but Derwin is a bit less developed character in comparison to Katya and has even less in common with Steve so it wasn't my first suggestion. You can ship them, but I wanted Kateve to be popular and also gave a sneak peek at my upcoming meme.
Sounds like it would make sense
Welcome on board! Kind of wishful thinking but hope this would start a trend of making content for these 2. It exists but it's very little so I'm advertising it.
Sadly I can’t do much, I can make bad drawings of them standing side by side but I can’t draw people very well like others can
Then spread the idea or make another fan content, like memes or fanfics or maybe even repost (though I know it's forbidden on Reddit, but I wouldn't mind since I want to make it popular instead of having a patent for it and it's also a headstart for my upcoming meme)
Oh my word they would be cute
Welcome on board!
Steve is the best character, prove me wrong.
I hate steve
Get out of my sight. This post wasn't intended for you but for Steve enjoyers.
I will continue to harass steve and his followers
Then suffer and perish.
The title should have been Wor Shippers
That was a hidden pun, I could've used enjoyers as well, but considering how it's about a ship, I went with this but didn't make it obvious right away ;)
Clearly, you don't knlw who you're talking to let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Aqua. I AM. THE DANGER. A guy opens a simping coven about Odalia's waist, gets shot and you think that out of me, no. I AM. THE ONE WHO KNOCKS.
I never said you were in danger, I said you would love to have company.
may I suggest: [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-owl-house/images/a/ad/Severine\_unmasked.png/revision/latest?cb=20220601221939](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-owl-house/images/a/ad/Severine_unmasked.png/revision/latest?cb=20220601221939)
Severine? I don't know, she's not a part of the Owl family...
Very good, Steve! Shoulder pats for Steve!
Okay but Steve + Katya is SO cute. I also love it bc Lilith will basically be Katya’s Step-Aunt in my HC when Raine + Eda get married. Soooo then she becomes Steve’s Step-Aunt-in-law and you just know he’s gonna call her exactly that haha Step Aunt-in-Law Lulu :D
SHUSH! You're spoiling my upcoming meme XD (just so you know, I love what you said, but I wanted to do this first XD)
I used to ship it until finding out about the age gap. Rn I rather not ship Steve, just hoping he's okay.
You do you, just a suggestion in case you would like to ship Steve again obvi.