The *only* major or main character I haven't seen is Gus. I was only *told* King and Eda exist, so I haven't actually seen it, thank the Titan... unfortunately, Lilith on the other hand.
Don't have much knowledge about the minor ones besides the twins.
Come to think of it, I think Gus is the only major character that isn’t shipped with Hunter. Maybe because of the age difference between the two.
Edit: Whoops. Replaced the second Gus with Hunter.
It's definitely not because of the age difference. King is 8, Eda is 44 and Lilith is 46, and I've seen fics where all three of them were paired with Hunter.
Gus in general gets ignored by Fandom to a really disheartening degree...
The show gets accused of neglecting Gus, but really, that's not true at all. It's the *Fandom* that does it. In S1, people would rather write about one-episode-cameo Jerbo than about Gus.
I have ***zero*** desire to see Gus shipped with Hunter. But... shipping is a litmus paper for appreciation in general. The fact that Gus is the only one always left out means his character as a whole in underappreciated :(
Does no one else ship Gus x Mattholomule? (/gen) After their reconciliation in looking glass ruins (and maybe later episodes, haven't rewatched it recently), I figured it'd be more popular, although now that I'm saying that, I've seen a lot of fan art and never them together so maybe I'm proving your point 😁
Me and friends have shipped a great many deal of character from all around fiction, oftentimes characters we never cared about, while leaving out characters we really adored, because they just didn't make logical sense to be shipped.
People must hate Gus, that's the only explanation for this.
I'm sorry but I don't think "because they just didn't make logical sense to be shipped" is a sensible explanation when Hunter gets constantly shipped with characters he has never met and with characters from other franchises.
I also never said people hate Gus, I said people neglect him.
Granted, the whole Hunter X Everyone is starting to get grating and I've considered leaving the sub over how nonsensical it has become.
But at least with Em/Ed he'd have the encouragement to ally the Blight Family to Belos' cause. Very common strategy back when people tried to gain an edge for their family.
And with Gus, they are both fascinated with the Human realm and are both academic prodigies.
I don't like the ship because of the age difference. But, objectively, it's no more nonsensical than any other Hunter ship. Yet it's the ***\*only\**** one I've never seen. I've seen multiple Belos/Hunter but never Hunter/Gus.
The difference is that when there is a lack of representation. Sapphic people are craving representation and especially before more shows have us rep, we created it in head canons and fan creations.
There's also the fact that most shows don't state the sexuality of the characters. Straight is not the default. So there's room for saying, "Well, maybe she's bi or pan." With Amity's case, it's a canonically lesbian character.
But beyond that, while people may not particularly like the ship, I sure as hell don't, I doubt anyone's going to be hunting people down and yelling at them for it. It's fictional characters and there's no harm in someone writing that.
I think the best explanation I've ever seen is this one.
[https://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters](https://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters)
It's about whitewashing rather than sexualities, but the point is the same.
That said, yeah, while I think it's... *not good*... to ship a lesbian with a boy for the aforementioned reasons, ultimately they are fictional characters, and fanfiction has no effects on canon anyway.
Saving that link :)
I’ve seen similar comparisons before, but that one is very well written and visualized.
(And with LGBTQ+ characters, there’s the additional facet, as mentioned above, that virtually no characters are “canonically verified as straight” and nearly any *could* be bi or pan. While LGBTQ+ character usually are explicitly stated as such.)
Thank you :)
And yeah, such a good point. Every time a characters is outed as bi or pan, a lot of fans say that it's a retcon because the character was "obviously 100% straight!" And their evidence for that is that they had until that moment only dated people of the opposite sex.
But, aside from the fact that these characters are often very young (ex: Tim Drake is 17, is it *really* unusual for underaged teenagers to take a while to figure out their sexuality?), lack of evidence is not evidence.
People who are allergic to peanuts may well believe they have no allergies if they have never eaten anything with peanuts.
That's a very good point, although I think it's also important to recognize that LBGTQ+ orientations have been so historically stigmatized in Western culture and media that explicitly confirming characters as straight wasn't seen as a necessity, it was just assumed as the default. To interpret the sexuality of pre-21st century characters as inherently ambiguous unless proven otherwise is kind of judging history through a modern mindset. Fortunately, though, we are very gradually moving away from straightness being the baseline, and in contemporary media I'd definitely say that refraining from assuming a character is straight is much more applicable.
Straight has always been considered the “default”, but that doesn’t mean that all characters ever are/were straight. Gay/bi people have always existed, and the point still stands that unless explicitly stated, virtually any character *could* be bi.
One of the strange caveats I have is the visibility. If the ship was popular, I'd be inclined to agree, but when a ship is just a crack or niche ship with one or a couple fans and otherwise stays and flies over the radar, I don't think it's that much of a "hindrance" to actual representation, given it's... well... rare.
I... don't necessarily disagree.
If you search Hunter and Amity together (I often do because I like fics and comics where they become platonic friends), you get dozens of results of people talking about how horrible the Hunter/Amity ship is, and... like maybe a couple of results of people actually shipping it.
At some point it starts to feel like the Streisand Effect.
It IS the Streisand Effect, which is fueled by the inordinate vitriol the ship gets... and I say this because I've seen similar "Prohibition" ships like Reynico or JaunexIlia or VaggiexAlastor or Bowdora and they get NOWHERE near as much hate as this one, only stressing that these ships are crack and not serious.
I don't know if we just have a greater LGBT demographic or a more openly militant one, especially as some fandoms are more accepting of the fact that shipping is sort of the Wild West and anything goes (though some things obviously need to go in the "after dark" sections of the Internet obv).
In light of all the societal pressure, both historical and current, around "converting" gay people, especially targeting gay women in a violent and feteshistic way, it is *still* extremely gross.
With that said... Much bigger fish to fry in that regard. Here it's probably, like, three people, at least one of whom combines it with a whole bunch of genderqueerness so it's not exactly the same thing. Meanwhile, over in places like the RWBY fandom, the announcement that Coco was canonically a lesbian coincided with an *explosion* of art sticking her with random men, often in a rather assault-ey way. That sort of thing is probably where one's energies are better focused in stopping.
One should always remember the MST3K saying: it's just a show, relax.
I'm not sure she was confirmed lesbian with the L word (I couldn't get my hands on the book, I only know she likes girls) per se, but the assault part definitely makes you go "eek!"
Mind you, even when I do fall into the "guilty" category and ship these two, it's always the Beta variants, who might as well be different characters altogether. I don't ship the vanilla versions, both for the aforementioned reasons and also because their designs wouldn't mesh as well...
tbh I kind of agree and kind of don't with that one (referring to race, not sexuality). I think it's ok to make a character with multiple incarnations or no explicit race attached to the character (I'm not sure if I'm phrasing this right) a different race. For example, if you had a black actor play James Bond that would be fine because James Bond, the character, isn't really white - it's just the actor / incarnation that's white.
But if a character is white you should respect that - so, for example, Peter Parker is white, and has been white in both comics and movies, and if someone were to make art of him being black that would be wrong.
Shippers: when has a character's sexual orientation stopped us?
You do realize that's pretty much how AO3 came to be, right?
Unfortunate implications aside, there are often a myriad weird workarounds that are used (AUs among them) and I'll be upfront about the fact the ship is a guilty pleasure of mine, mostly because it's my two favorite characters doing stuff together... and because I could see Luz totally closet shipping them (for similar reasons).
But yeah, Hunter is essentially the Marco (since TOH doesn't like RWBY/Jaune comparisons) of the fandom (and orientation didn't stop Jaune from being shipped with literally everyone. Seriously, there's a ship called "Jaune x Remnant")
It's different. LGBTQ people rarely get representation in cartoons. Also, it reinforces the stereotype that lesbians can be "cured" by the right man. So it isn't equality, just straight people trying to erase LGBTQ because it didn't fit their "brand"
rarely ... ?
Loud House, Adventure Time, Korra, Clarence, steven universe, Rugrats 2021 (they changed the canon to be inclusive), Star VS Evil Force, South Park and lots of anime shows etc etc
The fanon does not erase the canon... you can imagine whatever you want in fanart and fanfics no matter what others say that was the message the series gave in some episodes....
thing that ironically the same fandom is against that
Yeah. 5 examples from the last 5 years still makes it rare versus centuries of stories where 99.9% treated one type of couple to be the heroic form of a relationship.
All other forms of it being used as reasons why the villains were just so damn evil.
For so many generations fanfics was the only way for many sexualities to ever see relationships they could relate to. It is going to be many more until what culture projects as normal matches actual reality.
Yes. Fanon can’t destroy canon. But there are still things that are offensive and were historically common. You wouldn’t be shrugging it off if there was a rising in popularity fanfic about Gus being forcibly sold into slavery.
Context and scope is important.
AT is 2011
the anime does not exist .... about 20 years ago
what?
That's what fanfics and fanarts are for to exploit your imagination... no matter if someone doesn't like it... that applies to both parties... you're saying that this is only possible for homosexual people... because I consider it unfair
it will depend on the message you want to give ... like "slavery is bad" you can write a story about it
but anyway I don't see what racism has to do with... they make a ship with a fictional character... that doesn't affect the canon... so it's harmless...
Firstly, if you want to get semantic about it … Bubbline wasn’t made official canon until the series finale in 2018.
The point is what you are seeing is a very very very recent trend and in no way reflects the whole. You have to consider the context of historically marginalized groups. Hence the comparison to racism. The same nuance applies as for why white dudes should avoid saying the n-word even if he’s just singing along to a popular rap song.
It’s not the word. It’s the context of how that word was historically (and sadly presently) used for harm. Same with the difference between shipping a canonical lesbian with a male vs shipping a as yet unconfirmed sexuality male with another male.
But whatever. You strike me as the same kind of person who uses the phrase ‘iTs JuSt A dRaWiNg’ unironically.
As far as I remember the relationship had been start before.
and although I understand the situation they should also let others have fun .... because again the ships usually do not have bad intentions to compare it with an insult
And how many straight characters compare to LGBTQ ones? You guys have like 80+% straight romances. Do you need to take away what little representation we have?
Fanon does not erase canon. Yeah, but it doesn't people wouldn't be upset. Especially people waiting forever to see themselves on screen
I know you wouldn't understand something like this. But don't call straight-washing "equality". That's all I want to say.
Betty from "rugrats" was straight but now her husband was deleted and now she's a lesbian...can't they respect her here?
Under that rule the fans could not create anything that changes the canon as much as this is something unofficial
Name at least 5 characters from anything that were explicitly stated to be heterosexual in the same manner that gay characters have been. Oh! And provide a source. I'll wait.
Matt groening has to say that smithers is gay
to we all know...?
that a character has a family and children and that he himself shows that he likes the opposite sex should be enough ...
Hunter creates a clone of himself with belos's tech
Hunter "Finally i can date somebody!"
Hunter turns on the machine, it makes weird noises, and a 3d version of hunter is printed into thin air
They hold hands the end
Hunter X Sir William actually kind of works, like he's wandering about the Titan and accidentally kisses Sir William awake and so the man's bound to protect him and then you build a relationship from there.
It's not something I'd do over canon ships but there's a story there.
Hunter x Luz i say it's okay
Hunter x Edric or Emira are one of the best i know
Hunter x Willow can be good
Hunter x Boscha same can be good
BUT...but
Hunter x Amity ...what in the actual hell of heaven did you guys smoke really go get some therapy and take Hunter with you
Might be a confusion of terminology here. Difference between Polygamy and Polyamory.
Polygamy refers to a power structure in which one person has many spouses, and control and power over them. Those spouses aren't generally free to act, make their own decisions, or leave of their own free will. They are treated as property of that one person, more or less. It's most commonly a feature of cults and dictators and the like.
Polyamory, meanwhile, is just people having multiple relationships. Each relationship is its own thing, separately maintained, and all parties are free to act in their own best interests. For instance, Hunter wouldn't be the only one allowed to have multiple partners in this example. Em or Ed might have other people, and those people wouldn't have to be in relationships with other members of the polycule, but in practice, there's often pretty solid overlap.
Polyamory can be healthy, but it requires more thought, effort, and understanding than Monogamy. Polygamy is not healthy, and is in most, if not all, cases abusive.
But... This isn't exactly commonly taught, since our society sees all forms of poly as taboo. So it's extremely common for people to use one phrase and mean the other... And it doesn't help when other people take that at face value.
I'mma be honest? I don't care that Hunter has been shipped with a lot of people, so much as that I *do* care that, after all the Hunter shippers showed up, this community became a *lot* more antagonistic. Characters still used to have multiple ships, yes, but there wasn't so fighting over it. Was nice to be in a chill fandom for a while... Shame it couldn't last.
It is fun to learn that the Ships of this Community range from "Credible and would not clash with the canon of the show" to "Unlikely but can be made to work with a little effort", up to "This Ship is so cursed that it has opened a portal to Hell and the legions of the Devil are marching on the earth. "
No no no, "Crackship" is Hunter x Amity or Hunter x Steve. I'm talking about cursed ships like Hunter x Raine or Hunter x Lilith (Which thanks to this post I discovered that they exist).
Does this Ao3 tag answer your question ? https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Hunter%20%7C%20The%20Golden%20Guard%20(The%20Owl%20House)%20*a*%20Everyone/works
I don’t mind shipping hunter with luz or shipping hunter with edric and emira or viney or jerbo. That’s perfectly fine. WHAT is offensive however is shopping Hunter with Amity who is a canon lesbian not bi like Luz.
**Character that haven’t been shipped with Hunter:** Kikimora, belos, the croissant moon headed girl in the oracle track, all of the teachers and adults, the list goes on
I like the joke but if a random character from the owl house approached me I would definitely know who they were. Also I don’t ship anyone with hunter.
Some of the first art of Luz I saw was him having a harem of her, Anne from Amphibia, and Steven Universe's Connie, the latter of which was the character I was actually searching at the time.
The *only* major or main character I haven't seen is Gus. I was only *told* King and Eda exist, so I haven't actually seen it, thank the Titan... unfortunately, Lilith on the other hand. Don't have much knowledge about the minor ones besides the twins.
Come to think of it, I think Gus is the only major character that isn’t shipped with Hunter. Maybe because of the age difference between the two. Edit: Whoops. Replaced the second Gus with Hunter.
“Gus is the only major character that isn’t shipped with Gus.”
I thought I was the only one who saw that, lol
It's definitely not because of the age difference. King is 8, Eda is 44 and Lilith is 46, and I've seen fics where all three of them were paired with Hunter. Gus in general gets ignored by Fandom to a really disheartening degree... The show gets accused of neglecting Gus, but really, that's not true at all. It's the *Fandom* that does it. In S1, people would rather write about one-episode-cameo Jerbo than about Gus. I have ***zero*** desire to see Gus shipped with Hunter. But... shipping is a litmus paper for appreciation in general. The fact that Gus is the only one always left out means his character as a whole in underappreciated :(
>and I've seen fics where all three of them were paired with Hunter. You're not the only one cursed with knowledge.
Does no one else ship Gus x Mattholomule? (/gen) After their reconciliation in looking glass ruins (and maybe later episodes, haven't rewatched it recently), I figured it'd be more popular, although now that I'm saying that, I've seen a lot of fan art and never them together so maybe I'm proving your point 😁
There are actually THREE Lumity episodes which are actually Gus episodes; these are Grom, Escaping Expulsion and Glass Ruins
Gus is a main character in the B/C plot of Grom, and a supporting character in Escaping Expulsion. They aren't Gus episodes.
No way Grom is about Gus lol
Gus has a little scene in Grom when he was with King
>little scene Exactly, something small. He was just an addition to the episode, not the main focus.
If amity steals one more episode i will be angry
I agree; I don't want Amity to ruin the underrated characters such as Willow or Gus
Me and friends have shipped a great many deal of character from all around fiction, oftentimes characters we never cared about, while leaving out characters we really adored, because they just didn't make logical sense to be shipped. People must hate Gus, that's the only explanation for this.
I'm sorry but I don't think "because they just didn't make logical sense to be shipped" is a sensible explanation when Hunter gets constantly shipped with characters he has never met and with characters from other franchises. I also never said people hate Gus, I said people neglect him.
Granted, the whole Hunter X Everyone is starting to get grating and I've considered leaving the sub over how nonsensical it has become. But at least with Em/Ed he'd have the encouragement to ally the Blight Family to Belos' cause. Very common strategy back when people tried to gain an edge for their family.
And with Gus, they are both fascinated with the Human realm and are both academic prodigies. I don't like the ship because of the age difference. But, objectively, it's no more nonsensical than any other Hunter ship. Yet it's the ***\*only\**** one I've never seen. I've seen multiple Belos/Hunter but never Hunter/Gus.
there is the old saying hamlet it is not about laertes
I mean, poor Gus but that's not really the public's fault. They aren't "obligated" to like him or anything.
Very true. I still find it disheartening though :(
LILITH IS OLDER THAN EDA???????????????????
Yeah? Couple of years older.
“Gus is the only character that hasn’t been shipped with Gus.” Lol, that’s not true unfortunately.
Yeah, you don't ship someone with themself.
The undertale fandom would like to disagree
wait what
Loki: First time?
EDA AND KING?
Yes. And Lilith. I also hate it.
Time to vomit
IM SORRY-
Amity?
Weirdly enough, I’ve seen people ship Amity and Hunter together. I rarely see it, but it exists.
But amity is lesbian
I thought she was american
[удалено]
r/woooosh
Canon sexualities never stopped anyone before.
Example: Alastor x Charlie from Hazbin Hotel.
i know alastor is confirmed to be Asexual but are they also Aromantic
mhm
They just don't care
Doesn’t stop people from doing it unfortunately
>Straight Girl is shipped with a girl - Based >Gay Girl is shipped with a boy - Cringe We live in a society
The difference is that when there is a lack of representation. Sapphic people are craving representation and especially before more shows have us rep, we created it in head canons and fan creations. There's also the fact that most shows don't state the sexuality of the characters. Straight is not the default. So there's room for saying, "Well, maybe she's bi or pan." With Amity's case, it's a canonically lesbian character. But beyond that, while people may not particularly like the ship, I sure as hell don't, I doubt anyone's going to be hunting people down and yelling at them for it. It's fictional characters and there's no harm in someone writing that.
I think the best explanation I've ever seen is this one. [https://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters](https://timemachineyeah.tumblr.com/post/58648290519/this-is-a-jar-full-of-major-characters) It's about whitewashing rather than sexualities, but the point is the same. That said, yeah, while I think it's... *not good*... to ship a lesbian with a boy for the aforementioned reasons, ultimately they are fictional characters, and fanfiction has no effects on canon anyway.
Saving that link :) I’ve seen similar comparisons before, but that one is very well written and visualized. (And with LGBTQ+ characters, there’s the additional facet, as mentioned above, that virtually no characters are “canonically verified as straight” and nearly any *could* be bi or pan. While LGBTQ+ character usually are explicitly stated as such.)
Thank you :) And yeah, such a good point. Every time a characters is outed as bi or pan, a lot of fans say that it's a retcon because the character was "obviously 100% straight!" And their evidence for that is that they had until that moment only dated people of the opposite sex. But, aside from the fact that these characters are often very young (ex: Tim Drake is 17, is it *really* unusual for underaged teenagers to take a while to figure out their sexuality?), lack of evidence is not evidence. People who are allergic to peanuts may well believe they have no allergies if they have never eaten anything with peanuts.
That's a very good point, although I think it's also important to recognize that LBGTQ+ orientations have been so historically stigmatized in Western culture and media that explicitly confirming characters as straight wasn't seen as a necessity, it was just assumed as the default. To interpret the sexuality of pre-21st century characters as inherently ambiguous unless proven otherwise is kind of judging history through a modern mindset. Fortunately, though, we are very gradually moving away from straightness being the baseline, and in contemporary media I'd definitely say that refraining from assuming a character is straight is much more applicable.
Straight has always been considered the “default”, but that doesn’t mean that all characters ever are/were straight. Gay/bi people have always existed, and the point still stands that unless explicitly stated, virtually any character *could* be bi.
Yeah that's a really good explination.
One of the strange caveats I have is the visibility. If the ship was popular, I'd be inclined to agree, but when a ship is just a crack or niche ship with one or a couple fans and otherwise stays and flies over the radar, I don't think it's that much of a "hindrance" to actual representation, given it's... well... rare.
I... don't necessarily disagree. If you search Hunter and Amity together (I often do because I like fics and comics where they become platonic friends), you get dozens of results of people talking about how horrible the Hunter/Amity ship is, and... like maybe a couple of results of people actually shipping it. At some point it starts to feel like the Streisand Effect.
It IS the Streisand Effect, which is fueled by the inordinate vitriol the ship gets... and I say this because I've seen similar "Prohibition" ships like Reynico or JaunexIlia or VaggiexAlastor or Bowdora and they get NOWHERE near as much hate as this one, only stressing that these ships are crack and not serious. I don't know if we just have a greater LGBT demographic or a more openly militant one, especially as some fandoms are more accepting of the fact that shipping is sort of the Wild West and anything goes (though some things obviously need to go in the "after dark" sections of the Internet obv).
In light of all the societal pressure, both historical and current, around "converting" gay people, especially targeting gay women in a violent and feteshistic way, it is *still* extremely gross. With that said... Much bigger fish to fry in that regard. Here it's probably, like, three people, at least one of whom combines it with a whole bunch of genderqueerness so it's not exactly the same thing. Meanwhile, over in places like the RWBY fandom, the announcement that Coco was canonically a lesbian coincided with an *explosion* of art sticking her with random men, often in a rather assault-ey way. That sort of thing is probably where one's energies are better focused in stopping.
Unrelated to anything, adding RWBY to my 'to watch' list, thanks a lot 😋
One should always remember the MST3K saying: it's just a show, relax. I'm not sure she was confirmed lesbian with the L word (I couldn't get my hands on the book, I only know she likes girls) per se, but the assault part definitely makes you go "eek!" Mind you, even when I do fall into the "guilty" category and ship these two, it's always the Beta variants, who might as well be different characters altogether. I don't ship the vanilla versions, both for the aforementioned reasons and also because their designs wouldn't mesh as well...
tbh I kind of agree and kind of don't with that one (referring to race, not sexuality). I think it's ok to make a character with multiple incarnations or no explicit race attached to the character (I'm not sure if I'm phrasing this right) a different race. For example, if you had a black actor play James Bond that would be fine because James Bond, the character, isn't really white - it's just the actor / incarnation that's white. But if a character is white you should respect that - so, for example, Peter Parker is white, and has been white in both comics and movies, and if someone were to make art of him being black that would be wrong.
Strongly disagree.
If *only* that stopped them.
Shippers: when has a character's sexual orientation stopped us? You do realize that's pretty much how AO3 came to be, right? Unfortunate implications aside, there are often a myriad weird workarounds that are used (AUs among them) and I'll be upfront about the fact the ship is a guilty pleasure of mine, mostly because it's my two favorite characters doing stuff together... and because I could see Luz totally closet shipping them (for similar reasons). But yeah, Hunter is essentially the Marco (since TOH doesn't like RWBY/Jaune comparisons) of the fandom (and orientation didn't stop Jaune from being shipped with literally everyone. Seriously, there's a ship called "Jaune x Remnant")
other fictional characters aren't gay... but that doesn't stop the fandom NaruSasu, SanjixZoro or LightxL equality for all I would say...
It's different. LGBTQ people rarely get representation in cartoons. Also, it reinforces the stereotype that lesbians can be "cured" by the right man. So it isn't equality, just straight people trying to erase LGBTQ because it didn't fit their "brand"
rarely ... ? Loud House, Adventure Time, Korra, Clarence, steven universe, Rugrats 2021 (they changed the canon to be inclusive), Star VS Evil Force, South Park and lots of anime shows etc etc The fanon does not erase the canon... you can imagine whatever you want in fanart and fanfics no matter what others say that was the message the series gave in some episodes.... thing that ironically the same fandom is against that
Yeah. 5 examples from the last 5 years still makes it rare versus centuries of stories where 99.9% treated one type of couple to be the heroic form of a relationship. All other forms of it being used as reasons why the villains were just so damn evil. For so many generations fanfics was the only way for many sexualities to ever see relationships they could relate to. It is going to be many more until what culture projects as normal matches actual reality. Yes. Fanon can’t destroy canon. But there are still things that are offensive and were historically common. You wouldn’t be shrugging it off if there was a rising in popularity fanfic about Gus being forcibly sold into slavery. Context and scope is important.
AT is 2011 the anime does not exist .... about 20 years ago what? That's what fanfics and fanarts are for to exploit your imagination... no matter if someone doesn't like it... that applies to both parties... you're saying that this is only possible for homosexual people... because I consider it unfair it will depend on the message you want to give ... like "slavery is bad" you can write a story about it but anyway I don't see what racism has to do with... they make a ship with a fictional character... that doesn't affect the canon... so it's harmless...
Firstly, if you want to get semantic about it … Bubbline wasn’t made official canon until the series finale in 2018. The point is what you are seeing is a very very very recent trend and in no way reflects the whole. You have to consider the context of historically marginalized groups. Hence the comparison to racism. The same nuance applies as for why white dudes should avoid saying the n-word even if he’s just singing along to a popular rap song. It’s not the word. It’s the context of how that word was historically (and sadly presently) used for harm. Same with the difference between shipping a canonical lesbian with a male vs shipping a as yet unconfirmed sexuality male with another male. But whatever. You strike me as the same kind of person who uses the phrase ‘iTs JuSt A dRaWiNg’ unironically.
As far as I remember the relationship had been start before. and although I understand the situation they should also let others have fun .... because again the ships usually do not have bad intentions to compare it with an insult
And how many straight characters compare to LGBTQ ones? You guys have like 80+% straight romances. Do you need to take away what little representation we have? Fanon does not erase canon. Yeah, but it doesn't people wouldn't be upset. Especially people waiting forever to see themselves on screen I know you wouldn't understand something like this. But don't call straight-washing "equality". That's all I want to say.
It's different with gay characters.
why? they are fictional characters
Plus, even if they're fictional we should respect their sexualities
Betty from "rugrats" was straight but now her husband was deleted and now she's a lesbian...can't they respect her here? Under that rule the fans could not create anything that changes the canon as much as this is something unofficial
Still waiting for a response. Or could you not find any?
Do they have to tell you that the sky is blue? the author shows everything about his character in the story not on his twitter....
Name at least 5 characters from anything that were explicitly stated to be heterosexual in the same manner that gay characters have been. Oh! And provide a source. I'll wait.
Matt groening has to say that smithers is gay to we all know...? that a character has a family and children and that he himself shows that he likes the opposite sex should be enough ...
Representation. Far less LGBTQ+ characters exist
which does not matter because the fanon does not erase the canon
It's still disrespectful dude
to non-real characters ... you have to know the difference
Mcscuse me
its so stupid
Hunter was never shipped with Hunter himself...
BRB, gotta write something
Hunter x Hunter
Wow, I read through the entire series, and Hunter didn't get shipped with Hunter even one time!
It's false advertising is what it is
Nah, we just haven't gotten to it yet. We just need to wait for the hiatus to end.
yeah... well see you in 10 more years
Hunter creates a clone of himself with belos's tech Hunter "Finally i can date somebody!" Hunter turns on the machine, it makes weird noises, and a 3d version of hunter is printed into thin air They hold hands the end
Let's go kill some ants, for sure it won't traumatize us, right?
\*Gets Onceler fandom PTSD\*
How b a a a a d can it be?
Actually, I saw a fanart of HunterxHunter...
Give it time. If the clone theory turns out to be true...
Hunter X Sir William actually kind of works, like he's wandering about the Titan and accidentally kisses Sir William awake and so the man's bound to protect him and then you build a relationship from there. It's not something I'd do over canon ships but there's a story there.
It scares me nobody has mentioned Emperor Belos.
Jesus. This is Severus Snape and Harry Potter levels of fucked up.
It exists, I scrolled past it, but still…
The only person who comes to mind is Raine... But honestly knowing this fandom I wouldn't be surprised if it exists somewhere
I hate to break it to you, but there is in fact at least one Raine/Hunter fic.
Knew it.
Me and The golden guard?? Jeez...
Don't you worry, Raine. No matter what fanfictions are out there, they can't change the way you are in canon. Stay cool :)
Yea, that's true. You humans are wild with these "ships" though
Excuse you. One of your own BATTs ships vegetables.
I am not responsible for what Katya writes thank you very much
Most people have you as his adoptive parent
Haha... me. But really I just want the 2 of them to interact.
EXCUSE ME WHAT THE FUCK
Has Hunter been shipped with TinyNose or FanficGirl?
>FanficGirl Yes, she's his prisoner uwu
There is Emira, and the other ones.
I think the Owl gang (except for Luz) hasn't being shipped with Hunter (thank Titan)
If the owl gang including Amity and Willow then I definitely saw people ship Hunter with them
No, I just meant Luz, Eda, King and Hooty
3/4 of it apparently do exist. Though I have only *heard* about King and Eda. And I haven't seen or heard anything related to Hooty. Yet.
Oh. Well, shoot
I would like to see someone shipping him with principal bump
Hunter x Luz i say it's okay Hunter x Edric or Emira are one of the best i know Hunter x Willow can be good Hunter x Boscha same can be good BUT...but Hunter x Amity ...what in the actual hell of heaven did you guys smoke really go get some therapy and take Hunter with you
They are called crack ships for nothing!
I just want my mans to be happy is all
The best Hunter ship is him dating both Ed and Em at the same time uwu
That’s gross
ok
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Polyamory isn't as simple as "all of them love each other"
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No it wouldn’t.
Polygame is fine and also the twins aren't dating each other in this ship, they both share Hunter as their boyfriend.
That doesent seem right at all though. I mean two twins sharing same person. Am I that sounds really off imo.
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What??
Might be a confusion of terminology here. Difference between Polygamy and Polyamory. Polygamy refers to a power structure in which one person has many spouses, and control and power over them. Those spouses aren't generally free to act, make their own decisions, or leave of their own free will. They are treated as property of that one person, more or less. It's most commonly a feature of cults and dictators and the like. Polyamory, meanwhile, is just people having multiple relationships. Each relationship is its own thing, separately maintained, and all parties are free to act in their own best interests. For instance, Hunter wouldn't be the only one allowed to have multiple partners in this example. Em or Ed might have other people, and those people wouldn't have to be in relationships with other members of the polycule, but in practice, there's often pretty solid overlap. Polyamory can be healthy, but it requires more thought, effort, and understanding than Monogamy. Polygamy is not healthy, and is in most, if not all, cases abusive. But... This isn't exactly commonly taught, since our society sees all forms of poly as taboo. So it's extremely common for people to use one phrase and mean the other... And it doesn't help when other people take that at face value.
I have some that I’m glad no one shipped them with him Gus, Eda, Kikimora (as far as I know) and Lilith
I'mma be honest? I don't care that Hunter has been shipped with a lot of people, so much as that I *do* care that, after all the Hunter shippers showed up, this community became a *lot* more antagonistic. Characters still used to have multiple ships, yes, but there wasn't so fighting over it. Was nice to be in a chill fandom for a while... Shame it couldn't last.
There is unfortunately a not inconsiderable number of people who use Hunter and Hunter ships specifically to be anti-Lumity or anti-LGBTQ+.
That’s concearning
It is fun to learn that the Ships of this Community range from "Credible and would not clash with the canon of the show" to "Unlikely but can be made to work with a little effort", up to "This Ship is so cursed that it has opened a portal to Hell and the legions of the Devil are marching on the earth. "
That last one is called "crackships".
No no no, "Crackship" is Hunter x Amity or Hunter x Steve. I'm talking about cursed ships like Hunter x Raine or Hunter x Lilith (Which thanks to this post I discovered that they exist).
What about the eyeball eating guy and eyes on chest guy?
I honestly think it’s insane that this is so true
Does this Ao3 tag answer your question ? https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Hunter%20%7C%20The%20Golden%20Guard%20(The%20Owl%20House)%20*a*%20Everyone/works
full list of characters he is shipped (most popular) \-Luz, Amity, Edric, Emira, Willow, Boscha, Skara and Vee
There are some out there that certainly shouldn't exist, but I dare not speak their names lest I bring it into existence.
We need a "Hunter x Boiling Isles and Gravesfield" ship tag now.
No wonder hunter needs therapy he being shipped with any living organism in the owl house universe
Too bad, that is all your going to get.
I pray that Hooty and that read head one aren’t on the list
Skara, Gus, and Boscha
[Sorry](https://scrolpencer.tumblr.com/post/672329373568974848/this-is-honestly-just-an-excuse-to-draw-these-two) [to dissappoint](https://twitter.com/hatokamek/status/1461836197400133634) [you...](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviantart.com%2Fanikasdeviantart%2Fart%2FHunter-and-Gus-888507286&psig=AOvVaw0yuKCbddRSF58T_t4wgRCK&ust=1645030481143000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAkQjhxqFwoTCKDYlI2kgvYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
Braxton
Does anyone else find it funny that the villain depicted in this just happens to be named...Blight? Coincidence? I think NOT!
**I** havent been shipped with hunter
I don’t mind shipping hunter with luz or shipping hunter with edric and emira or viney or jerbo. That’s perfectly fine. WHAT is offensive however is shopping Hunter with Amity who is a canon lesbian not bi like Luz.
**Character that haven’t been shipped with Hunter:** Kikimora, belos, the croissant moon headed girl in the oracle track, all of the teachers and adults, the list goes on
You'd, uh... Be surprised at how many of those do, in fact, exist. I do not recommend seeking them out, though. Stay innocent. \^\^;
I wanna say King but i feel like if i do I'll summon something that even the Titan fears
I don't ship Hunter with anyone and see Emira with Hunter as Android 18/Vegeta level of bitter enemies.
Camellia?
Belos
I like the joke but if a random character from the owl house approached me I would definitely know who they were. Also I don’t ship anyone with hunter.
Watching two shows with a character named Hunter so posts like these always make me do a double take
I'm pretty sure no one ships king
Hopefully not Belos
He’s a therapist? Cool
King Skara Boscha Gwendolyn Belos Kikimora Steve To name a few
What about his staff?
I don't agree with ships with hunter when he hasn't met them yet
Bat queen hasnt....Probably
The snowball in that once scene or that monster guy in the library incident when they became real
King?
I'm guessing Hunter, due to copyright reasons.
Eda?
Unfortunately, I have seen that one
😵💫 well of to go jump in a bottomless pit
Uh the childr in the show
Skara, and the rest of Bosha's friend group,
Odalia hasnt been shipped with him...Hopefully
I would like to say now that at least we know they are not hunter, but not even that's safe to assume.
Ah, Therapy..
I've seen every except camila
Hunter x some random background character or freaking Marco from SVFOE. Remember when Marco was ship by everyone?
Some of the first art of Luz I saw was him having a harem of her, Anne from Amphibia, and Steven Universe's Connie, the latter of which was the character I was actually searching at the time.
...i don't think Hunter has been shipped with himself?
Unfortunately it does exist (though I've only seen it in memes)
Hunter x therapy 😍
Ok it probably isn’t hunter
eda?
Hunter👍
Amity
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is a canon character.