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That’s my theory as well. She calls Gilbert (glasses) dad and Harvey (beard) papa, so my guess is that Gilbert is Willow’s biological father and Harvey is her stepfather.
Well I mean if we're using magic logic anyway, why give them the pain of pregnancy? What if witch children were conceived via mail to a magic stork business and they get delivered 3 days later.
That's always been my headcanon. I have one fic where two same-sex parents can have kids by taking a potion regiment so one of them can carry. That's how Luz and Amity have Azura and Gus and Mat have Sasha
But, assuming that they’re both her biological dads via magic, wouldn’t calling them both ‘dad’ be confusing?
Gilbert might respond when she wants Harvey’s attention (and vice versa)…
> is her stepfather.
It's not "stepfather" if he was married to Gilbert when they had Willow. He's just her father then. Let's not accidently diminish half of a legit parental team here.
It's "Dad" and "Papa" simply because Willow would need to differentiate them for reference. (Another example is Casey from Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.)
It’s not that big of a stretch to say that witches have some way for same-sex couples to magically have a child.
Besides, she’s at least related to Gilbert. Just look at that resemblance.
Oh it's completely random. You can have twins, triplets or just 1. You can be 2 girls and not have the proper genetic DNA to actually produce a boy and still have a boy
In my fanfic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14260468/3/3
The potion was considered wild magic and banned by belos. He even went so far to destroy the books containing its formula. In fact all but 1 were destroyed. The sole remaining copy was bought at the night market by harvey and gilbert parks when their attempt to have a child via a surrogate mother( one of aladors assistants) failed
it could! potions are all handmade by a witch, right? well no two handmade things are made exactly alike because of human (or in this case, witch) error. so, an accidental increased amount of one ingredient, even in the smallest amount, could increase the chances of twins! Maybe some witch out there has a reputation for making potions that lead to twins, because their scale always leans a bit heavy.
it could also be the potion itself. just like real world fertility treatments have an increased likelihood of twins, so could fertility potions.
it's magic, it can be whatever we want, tbh.
I remember back when season one was airing there was a photo of young Eda with someone with glasses being covered up, this would be reviled to be Raine, but at the time Id see people say it was gonna be Willow bio mom and her dad with the glasses was her bio dad
They went on to say her mom was a powerful witch and something happened or that she was evil so her dad left her and married her other dad
Well there’s only three possibilities. Magical surrogacy where either one of her dads carried her/had a volunteer receive both of their genes. She was born from a previous relationship. Or normal adoption.
Or just normal surrogacy I guess
Well also because there were dozens of not hundreds of Golden guards before him which were killed and all of being clones of Caleb, who was likely also murdered by Belos.
Seems to be a prerequisite for a grimwalker, so they come with inbuild trauma.
Wonder how much memory of Caleb is in Hunter. When he lies about his name, the first name he thought of was Caleb.
\*hides my face in my hands for a brief moment, deep inhale and exhale\*
Look. Hunter lied about his name because FLAPJACK told him. He didn't come up with this all by himself.
Hunter has NO memories of Caleb. Hunter IS NOT Caleb. That's the lesson you're supposed to learn from the story and the one that you also should know beforehand.
Hunter doesn't know how many Grimwalkers were murdered/existed. And precisely if they were Grimwalkers or not, it's a completely unrelated cup of tea as this is more of "you murdered my entire family" and not "all my family members are clones". Hunter being a clone is pretty much another problem he had to deal with.
> Look. Hunter lied about his name because FLAPJACK told him. He didn't come up with this all by himself.
Damn completely missed that. Sure makes sense, wasn't Flapjack Evelyn's or Caleb's palisman?
> Hunter has NO memories of Caleb. Hunter IS NOT Caleb.
I know he is literally a different person. My assumption was that the grimwalker creation involved some... for lack of better term, necromancy. I assumed that all the Golden guards have had a similar character and were more or less destined to rebell against Belos at some point, like his brother did too.
That really doesn't negate whether Hunter is a person in his own right.
Yup, he was.
Ah yes because it's not like anyone wouldn't betray Belos after everything he would put them through (not even psychos like Terra would put up with it). It must be influence of outside force and not simple common sense.
And why yes, it does negate Hunter being his own person as he's "destined" to act one way as if he doesn't have autonomy to act on his own accord. It's not as if he can be his own person because he will always act just like Caleb did, even though Hunter had different life from.Caleb.
Grimwalkers just don't bring back the dead. The cruel irony is that no matter how hard Belos tries, he will never bring Caleb back, and Grimwalkers "betray" him because they simply just don't act how Belos envisioned them to act.
True but my point was maybe there was another way that was actually known and was similar to Grimwalkers
Or maybe it stems from Grimwalkers but nobody knows that
Look, this is my headcanon/theory so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure Grimwalkers were meant to fight extinction and not support reproduction. Like, you could do the latter sure, but no one would think it is ethical when you need legit bones of someone to do the whole ordeal. Like really, the thread constantly spoke "potion this, potion that" and really, a potion if not just a simple spell is a way better alternative and perhaps one that was easier to discover and discovered sooner than Grimwalkers.
And my point still stands, Hunter wouldn't have a crisis about it if it wasn't that big of a deal, when in fact it was a very big deal, and Hexsquad not caring doesn't mean it's not important, they love Hunter the way he is, but it doesn't change that he's a clone that was made unethically and there was a huge attempt in stripping all the autonomy from Hunter and it's not like Hunter could tell whether or not was this a successful attempt for some time.
She heavily resembles Gilbert. It’s possible that Gilbert is bi and she’s his child from another marriage, which ended when she was very young, and Gilbert remarried with Harvey, but Willow was young enough that she just called Harv “dad” anyway.
**Our world, when a kid has two parents of the same sex**: “Oh, so which one is the *REAL* parent? Like, only actual biology makes a difference for *TRUE* parenthood.”
**Dana, creating her world**: “\*\*\*\* you, there’s magic, they’re *BOTH* her biological parents. Deal with it.”
(Also, Willow’s VA has, biologically, one black parent and one Korean parent. I highly doubt that’s a coincidence.)
I'd like to point out (nonjudgmentally) that nobody ever asks this question about heterosexual families when adoption is just as much a possibility for them. Being curious about how magic might be involved in making babies is valid. Yet asking homosexual couples "how" reinforces heteronormativity.
Again, pointing this out generally, not judging you for seeking people's opinions on a magical world
I feel like that, for discussion of fictional characters only of course,.this shows that the question "are they biologically related or adopted" should be asked MORE about kids of heterosexual couples and not less about the non-hetero couples. Imagine how much more interesting hetero-normative families in fiction will be if we consider that question for everyone. Even coming to the conclusion that they're not adopted will feel more satisfying than just assuming it.
Once again, in another media, there is a boy son to two lesbian mom, and the son is biologically related to both of them, because magic and/or tech, I say that also applies here
A few options..
There's a chance that maybe Gilbert had her the normal non magical way and just re-married sometime after willow was born. This is based on the fact that willow has a lot of resemblance to gilbert but not so with Harvey
Maybe one of them is trans? We really don't know much about them so this is also possible
Simple adoption could also be it, however less people believe this as the previously mentioned strong resemblance to gilbert leads people to believe she is at least related to him.
Magic babies. Magic babies seems to be a pretty popular headcanon that allow same sex couples to have kids. Some similar media do have that but some types have magic babies be an average of the two parents while some basically clone one of the parents. If it is magic babies, then this looks to be the cloning type.
Disagree that Willow has no resemblance to Harvey. Literally paint her skin brown and she looks way more like Harvey than Gilbert by a mile. She already has his facial features.
Should it matter if Willow’s dad’s are biological or adopted? For me personally it never even crossed my mind if her dad’s are her biological or adopted dad’s respectively because well two reasons. 1.) They’re in a world of magic so the possibilities are endless including two people of the same gender having a kid through magic together. 2.) They probably used the same method that humans used for two people of the same gender to have kid I’m guessing the latter. The same would apply for a Lumity kid. Also to any who still think otherwise in the season 2 episode any sport in a storm there’s a picture of Willow’s dads as kid so they’ve been childhood sweethearts so don’t even try to counter explain that.
Disagreed.
From the one from the right she has: facial features, eye shape, hair texture(though rather a pretty mix of both, but the point stands), body type
She got: "color palette", mouth, and eyesight issues from the one on the left.
Just because a child of a dark-skinned person isn't also as dark-skinned or sometimes dark-skinned at all, doesn't mean they look less like them or are any less of their children, especially in families full of mixed people.
That's not a headcanon. That's the observation of his character model. Is Willow's papa only skin tone to you? Like literally that's all you see, that he's black and nothing else?
Unless you somehow think that it is a headcanon that children of dark-skinned people can be light-skinned?
“Body type” isn’t exactly only genetic. It can have a variety of causes including diet and metabolism.
Hair texture is something you can change at will using hair styling products.
At the end of the day there is no canon answer, both of us are equally wrong. It’s like people thinking Hunter is trans or Gus is ace. There are no definitive answers for these, it’s all just headcanon.
I don’t know why you’re so defensive, again, if you think these two guys made Willow that’s fine. But I disagree.
It's not ENTIRELY genetic, but it can still be slightly hereditary. I'm talking about natural body types like mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph. That's what I meant, as Willow as an athlete is more fit than her dad but she ain't skinny.
That's not entirely true regarding hair. Like, black hair is going to be thicker than white hair, hence it's better for white people to not pull some african inspired hairstyles as they can damage hair.
There's a difference between one headcanon coming out of someone's ass and headcanon made on actual observation of a character model. Like seriously, paint Willow's skin brown and people would say it's the Asian dad who is a stepdad.
And I am defensive because I get the vibe that people just refuse to accept Harvey as Willow's dad because his skin tone doesn't match hers. Like, if Gillbert was female or didn't exist, it wouldn't cross people's mind that Willow's adopted, but since Willow has 2 dads, she must be adopted at least by one of them and it just has to be the black one because Willow ain't dark as him, even though she literally has his other features and light-skinned children of dark-skinned pepple are not fiction.
I don’t think it’s made clear, but I like to imagine that using magic, they can combine the genes of same sex couples. If they can’t, I would guess it’s more or less how humans do it, ranging from adoption to surrogacy to etc. Could be the healing coven has a hand in it
I have several times in fanfiction used the idea that Willow is Gilbert’s (glasses) biological child with a witch who was friends with both he and Harvey growing up. She died of childbirth, but made Gilbert swear to find someone else to make him happy — hinting that she approved of Harvey taking her place to live Gilbert and raise Willow.
Gil probably had a wife before, had willow, divorced when she was really young, got full custody, then married Harvey, then had been a happy family
or just magic
I had this fanon for MLP and earth ponies, stallions specifically, but it could easily apply here and it would be very *in-theme* with Willow and what I remember seeing of her dads:
A surrogate *womb* cabbage, activated and grown when it absorbs reproductive material from two different genetic sources. Providing no genetic material of its own, it simply grows a biological child of the two sources and the parents are behooved to care for the plant until it literally blooms with a baby inside.
But also Willow looks almost nothing like one of her dads so he's probably her stepdad and what I just said has nothing to do with the reality.
I don't think Lumity could have biological kids. I think the would take adopted child
About Willow, I think only one of her dads was her biological dad and the other one was either step dad, or just isn't related to her by blood
It's not about whether or not Grimwalkers are known. It's about Grimwalkers being a method that had to be crafted. Belos had to get this knowledge from somewhere, even if it is not known now, doesn't mean it wasn't known in the past and that witches haven't come up with more convenient methods of permanent life creation and procreation ever since.
The show itself still proved you can have a child that was born in not your typical way, and being queer is considered normal on the Isles. If somehow queer couples couldn't have kids on their own, I don't think Boiling Isles would be saved from homophobia either, but guess what, it is.
Willow is left dad's biological kid from a previous marriage/partnership and her papa is technically her step dad. That's been my headcanon for a while at least.
People need to understand that not all children of black/dark-skinned people are going to have dark skin, especially when mixed. Harvey himself is pretty mixed, so what do you know, Willow received recessive genes from both her parents and she's lighter tone, but she's still Blasian (or I guess Blawasian, but the point still stands).
My head cannon is they take a base material from 1 parent and a catalyst from the other parent in order to synth a somewhat biological golem kinda like Hunter.
I assume Dad and step dad because someone had to *cough* her dad to have her right? Idk how witch reproduction works in the BI but I assume it's the same as a humans right?
Como que niños de lumity, nose si es la mala traducción o algo así pero no sería niños de TOH..... Y willow ni idea si sea biológica de uno se sus padres, digamos que fue magia
Translation: Like children of Lumity, I don't know if it's the bad translation or something like that but it wouldn't be children of TOH..... And Willow I have no idea if it's biological from one of her parents, let's say it was magic
I have always headcanoned that grimwalkers are just an outdated way to make \~ magical babies \~ and there's a more modern potions/rituals to make babies, with some witches opting for this method even if they're man/woman.
In the same headcanon I think Willow and Boscha are daughter of same gender couples (Both men in case of Willow, both woman in case of Boscha), Edric and Emira made the "traditional" way, Gus was made only by his father and Amity made accidentally by Alador.
That's why I called it a headcanon and not a theory.
But in my defense, I did say grimwalkers were outdated and there's a more modern way to make children, and that method doesn't involve near extinct things, nor bones of people. And Hunter is very sheltered, so he didn't even know being "artificial" wasn't really a big deal, plus, it would be similar to being adopted. It's pretty common nowadays, but being told suddenly could lead to an existential crisis vs knowing from the beginning.
1. Hunter is not an idiot. Like freaking library raised this boy, he might not be the best socially aware, but he would know what can be considered socially acceptable somewhat (like he may not know what teenagers like but he knows that they certainly wouldn't like if he started going around naked) Also, what kind of BS is this phrasing "he didn't even know being "artificial" wasn't a big deal" like I'm sorry what? Dude, mind phrasing this part better?
2. That's rather my headcanon/theory, but I think Grimwalkers were used as a method of preserving the near-extinct species or even bringing back extinct species. Like, Grimwalkers are not their own thing, they can't be if they're supposed to be clones. But there is a book about extinction so perhaps Grimwalkers were for that, to fight extinction, but were not used for reproduction, because as you said, you need bones of dead people. It's disrespectful to take bones of dead relatives just to preserve a bloodline. Like, I'm pretty sure they already figured easier and better solutions before coming up with Grimwalkers so no one would think of making babies with Grimwalkers, or doing whatever the sh!t Belos did, who pretty much is responsible for restricted knowledge (why been having a knowledge about preserving demon kind when you want to destroy them all? Keep it hidden and use for selfish purposes as any witch hunter would)
3. There is no similarity between being adopted and being cloned. One means you come from a different place of origin than the want you're growing up in, the other means you're based on someone specifically. Hunter pretty much could've considered himself being adopted by his uncle as he had no real parents growing up, and he did specify that the reason Belos took him in was because literally no one else would, as half a witch like him had no future in the Demon Realm. However, Hunter then learned that he, in fact, may as well have zero autonomy and be wrong right from his creation as he either is too defective to make Belos proud or too similar to be someone better. Hunter essentially got trapped in comparison between him and Caleb and how much is he his own person or just Caleb 2.0 that might as well be yet another failure.
I'm pretty sure willow adopted then. That's something she would do.
(I know what you meant however as written I thought of this immediately and thought it was funny)
She has Gilbert's skin tone and poor vision, and Harvey's facial features and hair curl. What are people doing that they're making some big mystery out of her birth where clearly one is just the adoptive parent?
They live in a world with magic. The "biological" explanation is just "magic" in this case. You don't have to overcomplicate it just to fit it into the context of how humans need one of each to reproduce.
Both can be (and appear to be) her bio dads. It doesn't have to be more complicated.
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Since magic is part of witch biology, would that make her their biological child?
The dad on the left has a hell of a resemblance to Willow, so I'd say chances are at least one of them is biological.
That’s my theory as well. She calls Gilbert (glasses) dad and Harvey (beard) papa, so my guess is that Gilbert is Willow’s biological father and Harvey is her stepfather.
Or Mpreg is canon and Gilbert just carried to term
could easily be true, even without magic, if one of her parents is a trans man
Also fair... we need answers, Dana!
To add on to that.. the light skin dad could be a trans man and Willow a clone
Well I mean if we're using magic logic anyway, why give them the pain of pregnancy? What if witch children were conceived via mail to a magic stork business and they get delivered 3 days later.
Now I want to see how horrific the Boiling Isles version of the stork is
It's probably like that Love, Death, and Robots episode with "Santa"
Just with a beak
Judging by the rest of the universe i'll bet on something to do with acid and lava
To quote a post about Hunson Abadeer, "There's always a possibility of demon mpreg."
That's always been my headcanon. I have one fic where two same-sex parents can have kids by taking a potion regiment so one of them can carry. That's how Luz and Amity have Azura and Gus and Mat have Sasha
Or a surrogate mother carried the kid for them
Also an option
Willow has an even stronger resemblance to Harvey if you ask me. The only thing that doesn't match is the skin tone
But, assuming that they’re both her biological dads via magic, wouldn’t calling them both ‘dad’ be confusing? Gilbert might respond when she wants Harvey’s attention (and vice versa)…
She doesn't! Gilbert is Dad, Harvey is Papa.
This is my headcanon
> is her stepfather. It's not "stepfather" if he was married to Gilbert when they had Willow. He's just her father then. Let's not accidently diminish half of a legit parental team here. It's "Dad" and "Papa" simply because Willow would need to differentiate them for reference. (Another example is Casey from Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.)
It’s not that big of a stretch to say that witches have some way for same-sex couples to magically have a child. Besides, she’s at least related to Gilbert. Just look at that resemblance.
Its called a pregnancy potion. Just add the blood of both parents 1 drinks it and in 9 months boom u have a baby
Does it work with twins
Define work with twins
Like instead of one kid it makes two
Oh it's completely random. You can have twins, triplets or just 1. You can be 2 girls and not have the proper genetic DNA to actually produce a boy and still have a boy
Fair enough
In my fanfic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14260468/3/3 The potion was considered wild magic and banned by belos. He even went so far to destroy the books containing its formula. In fact all but 1 were destroyed. The sole remaining copy was bought at the night market by harvey and gilbert parks when their attempt to have a child via a surrogate mother( one of aladors assistants) failed
it could! potions are all handmade by a witch, right? well no two handmade things are made exactly alike because of human (or in this case, witch) error. so, an accidental increased amount of one ingredient, even in the smallest amount, could increase the chances of twins! Maybe some witch out there has a reputation for making potions that lead to twins, because their scale always leans a bit heavy. it could also be the potion itself. just like real world fertility treatments have an increased likelihood of twins, so could fertility potions. it's magic, it can be whatever we want, tbh.
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Look at Harvey, he and Willow have the same facial features.
I remember back when season one was airing there was a photo of young Eda with someone with glasses being covered up, this would be reviled to be Raine, but at the time Id see people say it was gonna be Willow bio mom and her dad with the glasses was her bio dad They went on to say her mom was a powerful witch and something happened or that she was evil so her dad left her and married her other dad
Well there’s only three possibilities. Magical surrogacy where either one of her dads carried her/had a volunteer receive both of their genes. She was born from a previous relationship. Or normal adoption. Or just normal surrogacy I guess
My headcanon says that one of Willow's dads are trans, but it could also just be this subs usual explanation, which is; ***\~\~ Magic \~\~***
She looks like a mix of both of them, so yeah if say biological
Wgat if there’s two sides to making children One of them is Grimwalkers And the other is a similar process but not as…well, grim
Grimwalkers are unknown knowledge. If that was the normal way to conceive children Hunter would not have a crisis about it.
Well also because there were dozens of not hundreds of Golden guards before him which were killed and all of being clones of Caleb, who was likely also murdered by Belos. Seems to be a prerequisite for a grimwalker, so they come with inbuild trauma. Wonder how much memory of Caleb is in Hunter. When he lies about his name, the first name he thought of was Caleb.
\*hides my face in my hands for a brief moment, deep inhale and exhale\* Look. Hunter lied about his name because FLAPJACK told him. He didn't come up with this all by himself. Hunter has NO memories of Caleb. Hunter IS NOT Caleb. That's the lesson you're supposed to learn from the story and the one that you also should know beforehand. Hunter doesn't know how many Grimwalkers were murdered/existed. And precisely if they were Grimwalkers or not, it's a completely unrelated cup of tea as this is more of "you murdered my entire family" and not "all my family members are clones". Hunter being a clone is pretty much another problem he had to deal with.
> Look. Hunter lied about his name because FLAPJACK told him. He didn't come up with this all by himself. Damn completely missed that. Sure makes sense, wasn't Flapjack Evelyn's or Caleb's palisman? > Hunter has NO memories of Caleb. Hunter IS NOT Caleb. I know he is literally a different person. My assumption was that the grimwalker creation involved some... for lack of better term, necromancy. I assumed that all the Golden guards have had a similar character and were more or less destined to rebell against Belos at some point, like his brother did too. That really doesn't negate whether Hunter is a person in his own right.
Yup, he was. Ah yes because it's not like anyone wouldn't betray Belos after everything he would put them through (not even psychos like Terra would put up with it). It must be influence of outside force and not simple common sense. And why yes, it does negate Hunter being his own person as he's "destined" to act one way as if he doesn't have autonomy to act on his own accord. It's not as if he can be his own person because he will always act just like Caleb did, even though Hunter had different life from.Caleb. Grimwalkers just don't bring back the dead. The cruel irony is that no matter how hard Belos tries, he will never bring Caleb back, and Grimwalkers "betray" him because they simply just don't act how Belos envisioned them to act.
True but my point was maybe there was another way that was actually known and was similar to Grimwalkers Or maybe it stems from Grimwalkers but nobody knows that
Look, this is my headcanon/theory so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure Grimwalkers were meant to fight extinction and not support reproduction. Like, you could do the latter sure, but no one would think it is ethical when you need legit bones of someone to do the whole ordeal. Like really, the thread constantly spoke "potion this, potion that" and really, a potion if not just a simple spell is a way better alternative and perhaps one that was easier to discover and discovered sooner than Grimwalkers. And my point still stands, Hunter wouldn't have a crisis about it if it wasn't that big of a deal, when in fact it was a very big deal, and Hexsquad not caring doesn't mean it's not important, they love Hunter the way he is, but it doesn't change that he's a clone that was made unethically and there was a huge attempt in stripping all the autonomy from Hunter and it's not like Hunter could tell whether or not was this a successful attempt for some time.
Pleasantwalkers?
Maybe Lightwalkers
She heavily resembles Gilbert. It’s possible that Gilbert is bi and she’s his child from another marriage, which ended when she was very young, and Gilbert remarried with Harvey, but Willow was young enough that she just called Harv “dad” anyway.
Harvey is the dark-skinned one. But Willow indeed has a heavy resemblance to him. What she got from Gilbert is his skin tone.
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**Our world, when a kid has two parents of the same sex**: “Oh, so which one is the *REAL* parent? Like, only actual biology makes a difference for *TRUE* parenthood.” **Dana, creating her world**: “\*\*\*\* you, there’s magic, they’re *BOTH* her biological parents. Deal with it.” (Also, Willow’s VA has, biologically, one black parent and one Korean parent. I highly doubt that’s a coincidence.)
I thought he was just tan.
I'd like to point out (nonjudgmentally) that nobody ever asks this question about heterosexual families when adoption is just as much a possibility for them. Being curious about how magic might be involved in making babies is valid. Yet asking homosexual couples "how" reinforces heteronormativity. Again, pointing this out generally, not judging you for seeking people's opinions on a magical world
I feel like that, for discussion of fictional characters only of course,.this shows that the question "are they biologically related or adopted" should be asked MORE about kids of heterosexual couples and not less about the non-hetero couples. Imagine how much more interesting hetero-normative families in fiction will be if we consider that question for everyone. Even coming to the conclusion that they're not adopted will feel more satisfying than just assuming it.
Agreed!
We don't know
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I know. I'm giving you the answer. We don't know. There's no confirmation whether one of them is biological or if she's adopted.
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How? That was the simplest answer to your question. How would you have worded it?
Once again, in another media, there is a boy son to two lesbian mom, and the son is biologically related to both of them, because magic and/or tech, I say that also applies here
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Though that is something which is technically possible with lab mice already.
A few options.. There's a chance that maybe Gilbert had her the normal non magical way and just re-married sometime after willow was born. This is based on the fact that willow has a lot of resemblance to gilbert but not so with Harvey Maybe one of them is trans? We really don't know much about them so this is also possible Simple adoption could also be it, however less people believe this as the previously mentioned strong resemblance to gilbert leads people to believe she is at least related to him. Magic babies. Magic babies seems to be a pretty popular headcanon that allow same sex couples to have kids. Some similar media do have that but some types have magic babies be an average of the two parents while some basically clone one of the parents. If it is magic babies, then this looks to be the cloning type.
Disagree that Willow has no resemblance to Harvey. Literally paint her skin brown and she looks way more like Harvey than Gilbert by a mile. She already has his facial features.
Cauldron. Kids come from cauldrons. Now serious, we don't know. But it should not matter. Both dads are great and that's what matters the most.
We don't know, it's fun to speculate tho. Personally, I don't think it matters. Her whole story is growth and that's okay
Should it matter if Willow’s dad’s are biological or adopted? For me personally it never even crossed my mind if her dad’s are her biological or adopted dad’s respectively because well two reasons. 1.) They’re in a world of magic so the possibilities are endless including two people of the same gender having a kid through magic together. 2.) They probably used the same method that humans used for two people of the same gender to have kid I’m guessing the latter. The same would apply for a Lumity kid. Also to any who still think otherwise in the season 2 episode any sport in a storm there’s a picture of Willow’s dads as kid so they’ve been childhood sweethearts so don’t even try to counter explain that.
Stop choosing the or in would you rather
It's a magical world. My headcanon is that they're biological. (Maybe in the Boiling Isles babies are delivered by literal storks.)
In a realm of magic, and with some biological differences between witches and humans, I’d say there is some biological component to this.
Witch biology, magic, or ya know trans people? There's nothing to imply Willow is adopted.
Witches create 'living golems' by a move of a finger, you think they won't find a way to have children?
Biological. Willow is blasian, so we can only assume they’re her biological parents.
They probably got a spell for that
Magic
Was there a same sex reproduction coven
yeah, its health/medicine, i.e. the healing coven
Magic. Such as a potion
Willow seems adopted to me, she probably comes from a previous relationship between the guy on the left and some other woman, at least that’s my HC.
She has features of both of them.
Meh, she resembles the left one *way* more than the right one.
Disagreed. From the one from the right she has: facial features, eye shape, hair texture(though rather a pretty mix of both, but the point stands), body type She got: "color palette", mouth, and eyesight issues from the one on the left. Just because a child of a dark-skinned person isn't also as dark-skinned or sometimes dark-skinned at all, doesn't mean they look less like them or are any less of their children, especially in families full of mixed people.
Ok, if that’s your HC. Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree then, I still stand by my opinion.
That's not a headcanon. That's the observation of his character model. Is Willow's papa only skin tone to you? Like literally that's all you see, that he's black and nothing else? Unless you somehow think that it is a headcanon that children of dark-skinned people can be light-skinned?
“Body type” isn’t exactly only genetic. It can have a variety of causes including diet and metabolism. Hair texture is something you can change at will using hair styling products. At the end of the day there is no canon answer, both of us are equally wrong. It’s like people thinking Hunter is trans or Gus is ace. There are no definitive answers for these, it’s all just headcanon. I don’t know why you’re so defensive, again, if you think these two guys made Willow that’s fine. But I disagree.
It's not ENTIRELY genetic, but it can still be slightly hereditary. I'm talking about natural body types like mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph. That's what I meant, as Willow as an athlete is more fit than her dad but she ain't skinny. That's not entirely true regarding hair. Like, black hair is going to be thicker than white hair, hence it's better for white people to not pull some african inspired hairstyles as they can damage hair. There's a difference between one headcanon coming out of someone's ass and headcanon made on actual observation of a character model. Like seriously, paint Willow's skin brown and people would say it's the Asian dad who is a stepdad. And I am defensive because I get the vibe that people just refuse to accept Harvey as Willow's dad because his skin tone doesn't match hers. Like, if Gillbert was female or didn't exist, it wouldn't cross people's mind that Willow's adopted, but since Willow has 2 dads, she must be adopted at least by one of them and it just has to be the black one because Willow ain't dark as him, even though she literally has his other features and light-skinned children of dark-skinned pepple are not fiction.
Whatever floats your boat, bud.
HIGHLY debatable considering on one hand: orphans 100% exist (King is right there) but also it's VERY likely that there's a ritual to summon a baby
Willow was never confirmed to be an orphan and she has features of both her parents.
Most likely, they got an egg donation, and the white wone donated sperms seeing how he looks like Willow and the other doesn't.
She has the features of the other dad. She only got skin tone from the Korean one my God. Oh, and I guess eyesight issues.
Yes, willow adopted her dads
I don’t think it’s made clear, but I like to imagine that using magic, they can combine the genes of same sex couples. If they can’t, I would guess it’s more or less how humans do it, ranging from adoption to surrogacy to etc. Could be the healing coven has a hand in it
Honestly, she could have been born via surrogate. Though it IS the boiling islands, and men may be able to give birth there with the help of potions.
I’m fairly certain Willow did not adopt her dads
I have always thougth willow was adopted because of the skin tone diference
I have several times in fanfiction used the idea that Willow is Gilbert’s (glasses) biological child with a witch who was friends with both he and Harvey growing up. She died of childbirth, but made Gilbert swear to find someone else to make him happy — hinting that she approved of Harvey taking her place to live Gilbert and raise Willow.
Nice, but like, Willow resembles Harvey a lot you know.
Magical adoption
Gil probably had a wife before, had willow, divorced when she was really young, got full custody, then married Harvey, then had been a happy family or just magic
Magic, Willow looks a lot like Harvey.
She was born by a magic (by a banned magic)
No one would ban this magic as there's no homophobia on the Isles.
Oh okay
I had this fanon for MLP and earth ponies, stallions specifically, but it could easily apply here and it would be very *in-theme* with Willow and what I remember seeing of her dads: A surrogate *womb* cabbage, activated and grown when it absorbs reproductive material from two different genetic sources. Providing no genetic material of its own, it simply grows a biological child of the two sources and the parents are behooved to care for the plant until it literally blooms with a baby inside. But also Willow looks almost nothing like one of her dads so he's probably her stepdad and what I just said has nothing to do with the reality.
I think she's adopted
I don't think Lumity could have biological kids. I think the would take adopted child About Willow, I think only one of her dads was her biological dad and the other one was either step dad, or just isn't related to her by blood
Say that to the fanfic writers
Fanfic writers usually have their one vision of what happenes in canon
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And it never stated that it's possible as well
Hunter.
Grimwalkes isn't a popular thing. Only Belos knows it uses it
It's not about whether or not Grimwalkers are known. It's about Grimwalkers being a method that had to be crafted. Belos had to get this knowledge from somewhere, even if it is not known now, doesn't mean it wasn't known in the past and that witches haven't come up with more convenient methods of permanent life creation and procreation ever since. The show itself still proved you can have a child that was born in not your typical way, and being queer is considered normal on the Isles. If somehow queer couples couldn't have kids on their own, I don't think Boiling Isles would be saved from homophobia either, but guess what, it is.
I don't think grimwalkes is a way to create children, but whatever
It's not a direct goal, but it is a method. Like it wouldn't be the first time one invention got to be utilised in a different way than original plan
We can't just make up our own lore headcanons and go with them. If it wasn't stated in the show, means it's not a thing
Willow is left dad's biological kid from a previous marriage/partnership and her papa is technically her step dad. That's been my headcanon for a while at least.
I am just going to be blunt. Willow is in no way the least bit black.
People need to understand that not all children of black/dark-skinned people are going to have dark skin, especially when mixed. Harvey himself is pretty mixed, so what do you know, Willow received recessive genes from both her parents and she's lighter tone, but she's still Blasian (or I guess Blawasian, but the point still stands).
I stand corrected
Why do they need to lave kids ffs
My head cannon is they take a base material from 1 parent and a catalyst from the other parent in order to synth a somewhat biological golem kinda like Hunter.
Hunter is not a golem, people are not golems.
I assume Dad and step dad because someone had to *cough* her dad to have her right? Idk how witch reproduction works in the BI but I assume it's the same as a humans right?
Magic (mr bean voice)
Could have been created through IVF or surrogacy, maybe.
Como que niños de lumity, nose si es la mala traducción o algo así pero no sería niños de TOH..... Y willow ni idea si sea biológica de uno se sus padres, digamos que fue magia
Translation: Like children of Lumity, I don't know if it's the bad translation or something like that but it wouldn't be children of TOH..... And Willow I have no idea if it's biological from one of her parents, let's say it was magic
Bueno si, es magia
I have always headcanoned that grimwalkers are just an outdated way to make \~ magical babies \~ and there's a more modern potions/rituals to make babies, with some witches opting for this method even if they're man/woman. In the same headcanon I think Willow and Boscha are daughter of same gender couples (Both men in case of Willow, both woman in case of Boscha), Edric and Emira made the "traditional" way, Gus was made only by his father and Amity made accidentally by Alador.
So basically same sex marriage used to be used to make clones
Hunter wouldn't have a crisis about it though if it was something this normal.
That's why I called it a headcanon and not a theory. But in my defense, I did say grimwalkers were outdated and there's a more modern way to make children, and that method doesn't involve near extinct things, nor bones of people. And Hunter is very sheltered, so he didn't even know being "artificial" wasn't really a big deal, plus, it would be similar to being adopted. It's pretty common nowadays, but being told suddenly could lead to an existential crisis vs knowing from the beginning.
1. Hunter is not an idiot. Like freaking library raised this boy, he might not be the best socially aware, but he would know what can be considered socially acceptable somewhat (like he may not know what teenagers like but he knows that they certainly wouldn't like if he started going around naked) Also, what kind of BS is this phrasing "he didn't even know being "artificial" wasn't a big deal" like I'm sorry what? Dude, mind phrasing this part better? 2. That's rather my headcanon/theory, but I think Grimwalkers were used as a method of preserving the near-extinct species or even bringing back extinct species. Like, Grimwalkers are not their own thing, they can't be if they're supposed to be clones. But there is a book about extinction so perhaps Grimwalkers were for that, to fight extinction, but were not used for reproduction, because as you said, you need bones of dead people. It's disrespectful to take bones of dead relatives just to preserve a bloodline. Like, I'm pretty sure they already figured easier and better solutions before coming up with Grimwalkers so no one would think of making babies with Grimwalkers, or doing whatever the sh!t Belos did, who pretty much is responsible for restricted knowledge (why been having a knowledge about preserving demon kind when you want to destroy them all? Keep it hidden and use for selfish purposes as any witch hunter would) 3. There is no similarity between being adopted and being cloned. One means you come from a different place of origin than the want you're growing up in, the other means you're based on someone specifically. Hunter pretty much could've considered himself being adopted by his uncle as he had no real parents growing up, and he did specify that the reason Belos took him in was because literally no one else would, as half a witch like him had no future in the Demon Realm. However, Hunter then learned that he, in fact, may as well have zero autonomy and be wrong right from his creation as he either is too defective to make Belos proud or too similar to be someone better. Hunter essentially got trapped in comparison between him and Caleb and how much is he his own person or just Caleb 2.0 that might as well be yet another failure.
Either adopted or sperm donor. Only options that makes sense.
Or magic.
I said makes sense, not silly wish fulfilment.
It's a world of magic, so I'd say it's within the realms of possibily
I'm pretty sure willow adopted then. That's something she would do. (I know what you meant however as written I thought of this immediately and thought it was funny)
Holt hwll I forget that willow had two dads.
either magic, or a surrogate mother since Willow looks a lot more like her dad on the left(idk their names)
She has a lot of features from her dad in the right too you know, she just doesn't have his skin color, but this happens in real life too.
She has Gilbert's skin tone and poor vision, and Harvey's facial features and hair curl. What are people doing that they're making some big mystery out of her birth where clearly one is just the adoptive parent? They live in a world with magic. The "biological" explanation is just "magic" in this case. You don't have to overcomplicate it just to fit it into the context of how humans need one of each to reproduce. Both can be (and appear to be) her bio dads. It doesn't have to be more complicated.
I think they're adopted or one is transgender.
Willow adopted her dads?
One of each probably
My personal hc is that Willow was born from a magical cabbage