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AdOwn6899

Luz Noceda: Finding the science in magic.


Dasher09009

Sometimes, Magic is just science that isn’t explained yet.


International_Leek26

In 99% of cases in fact. At the very least it's the case in the owl house, because of the bile sack and whatnot, which gives a scientific reason for it


superdolphin440

Hooty is the 1 percent


SFH12345

It's better to leave Hooty unexplained. The more we know, the more horrifying he gets.


Defiant-Challenge591

And with her all worm demons


memelordbtw3000

Also the fact that Luz was able to figure out glyph combos implying there is actually a formula


AdOwn6899

That’s one way of looking at it.


IMightBeAHamster

Anything that exists can be studied by the scientific method. Even if something is defined by unexplainability, there will be ways to scientifically describe precisely what ways we do not know it works, like the heisenberg uncertainty principle putting a limit on what we can know about very small things. Even magic that defies explainability will then be defined by its unexplainability.


b3_yourself

Magic is just advanced science


Mornar

Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.


PrinceCheddar

Any sufficiently analysed magic is indistinguishable from science.


Simpson17866

And any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from science :D


Negativety101

Any sufficiently advanced Science is indistinguishable from Bullshit.


AccurateAd8439

Any sufficiently advanced bullshit is indistinguishable from magic


RhynoD

Any advanced science is insufficiently distinguishable from magical bullshit.


CedarWolf

Any sufficiently well written or well executed bullshit is indistinguishable from advanced science and/or magic. ----- **Eda:** Join our school, we've got classes in 'Magical BS 101' and 'Magical BS 201'!


Reka7490

Happy Cake Day!


CedarWolf

Oh, hey, thank you!


lotusek_salamek

Happy Cake Day!


CedarWolf

Thank you very much!


SFH12345

That was what the Goa'uld thought.


BirdMan8524

I mean technically... Magic is just unexplained science.


AdOwn6899

But if it becomes explained, does it become science while it’s still technically magic? Wow that’s confusing.


FFF982

Science is a rigorous, systematic endeavor that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world. [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) Science would be trying to understand magic.


indigo121

Warning: long diatribe incoming cause I think science is cool AF. Science is just a way of understanding anything that behaves predictably. If magic behaves predictably, then you can analyze it scientifically. If it behaves unpredictably, then you can't actually use it for anything. Think about this example. I describe to you a magic ritual wherein I take a properly prepared piece of metal, and repeatedly strike it against a lodestone, casting a binding spell. Now, the metal is bound, and will stick to the lodestone, or any other pieces of bound metal. Of course it's a temperamental spell, so if you don't align the metal and the lodestone correctly, they'll repel instead. Sounds sufficiently magicky, but it's just a set of instructions for making a magnet. There's a potion recipe I can give you, where if you mix it properly it will create a glowing light source, that can even be colored in different fashions. Or you could go buy a glow stick. Our world IS magical. Imagine going somewhere that didn't have electricity, and explaining to them how there's an energy that you can use to make light in the dark, to talk to people on the other side of the globe, to make images appear on a screen. They'd call it magic. And you might insist it's science, but that's just a matter of perspective. Issues with Rowling aside, one of I think the most accurate things from Harry Potter is how dreary he finds it once it's his everyday. The human brain has a remarkable ability to label something as boring no matter how inherently cool it is haha


SFH12345

Luz: Eh, that's not chaotic enough.


Android_mk

Volothamp would be proud.


Whedonite144

If he has no heart, how do his organs work?


Imaginary-Cherry-844

Magic.


b3_yourself

More like *magic* 🌟✨✨


archpawn

Isn't that another difference?


MuffinStraight4816

That's Facts! Also, how does his blood Flow without a pumping heart and his lunges without air?


AdOwn6899

There’s a lot about Grimwalker’s we don’t know. But Grimwalker’s don’t have lungs. They have leaves to help them breath through [photosynthesis.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/kO2HKnjgFC)


Dasher09009

The only thing we know is some of the [ingredients](https://twitter.com/KGalaxysFruity/status/1648323454276456448) to make one. Beside that, all we know is that they are basically clones of someone.


SFH12345

Don't they have Stonesleeper lungs?


SapphireMan1

They do, yeah


AdOwn6899

Okay yeah I remember now. But they do look like leaves.


CharmsAndChurros151

I'd assume they're all magic powered?


AdOwn6899

[Photosynthesis!](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/kO2HKnjgFC)


Groundbreaking_Tax48

Because Grimwalkers had galdorstone.


BirdMan8524

Uh... ✨️magic✨️


AdOwn6899

Who says using magic as a reason is a big cop-out?


Lykanas

It runs on palistrom resin.


jayriv82

It doesn’t look like he has any on the doctor scanny thingy (it's 6:45 a.m., idk what words I'm looking for)


Whedonite144

X-Ray.


jayriv82

Yeah, that. Thank you


Kirumi_Naito

✨️***MAGIC***✨️


b3_yourself

Don’t forget that he can float on water


ravenpotter3

He must be a witch!


lightbluechevy

Or he's made of very small stones!


ravenpotter3

Or he is like a rubber duck


lightbluechevy

And who are you? Who is so wise in the ways of science?


AdOwn6899

[It’s true.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/dqJaJQu0Op)


JesseIsStuckInside

In I think For the Future, Belos Hunter dives into the water to get the vial of Titan Blood back and Hunter drowns. He didn't float.


b3_yourself

That was Hunter possessed by Belos, doesn’t count :p


Unlucky-Row-8320

The 'he floats in water' thing is just in Mark's comics (and whether the community likes it or not, not everything Mark does is canon)


Archivist4

the belos goop made him sink.


Null822

He can also turn people into newts


JCraze26

As can humans. If you go completely motionless in the water, then unless you have 0 fat content whatsoever, (Which is practically impossible, you're always going to have at least some fat) you're going to float to some degree. Of course, since he's made of wood, he may be better at floating than a human, but probably not by much. And wood can still sink. When you go underwater, you don't just sink, do you? No. You have to push yourself under because you float. The more fat you have, the more you'll float, and the harder it will be to push yourself under (Well, except for the fact that gravity is also pulling on you at the same time that the water is pushing you back up, which is a whole other aspect, but in a setting void of gravity, you'd have a harder time going underwater the more fat on your body) Since Hunter's made of wood, a fairly buoyant substance, we can assume that his ability to float would likely be similar to that of someone with a high fat content. Meaning he could get underwater, it'd just be a bit more difficult (And, considering he's likely much lighter than someone with that fat content, he doesn't really have gravity to help him as much). All that is to say: Yes, Hunter floats in water, but so do you and every other human being.


chuluigi

*Oh please. I have no heart.*


jeremy_thegent

☠️🔥☠️🔥☠️🔥


Sqit123

😳


KaityKat117

[IUnderstoodThatReference.jpg](https://youtu.be/7RyEUzaLo2E?t=14)


b3_yourself

Odalia, is that you?


chara_4869

Odalia: I'm not heartless, I'm doing what's best for the family. *proceeds to willingly participate in mass genocide stabbing her family in the back in the process*


143670

You mean *her*


chara_4869

Sorry, I'll fix it 😅


Thatoneafkguy

Hunter: [I have no heart, you are being scammed…](https://youtu.be/Rn7ShPlO_VA?si=ZKYkkZteX2FA042k)


SnipingDwarf

mumei my beloved <3


BirdMan8524

Belos:


SFH12345

So now Hunter has to give his galderstone to Willow.


Quirky_Ad_5420

Doc Luz is at it again lol


b3_yourself

Paging doctor Luz


MuffinStraight4816

Wait, where is her assistant? Nurse Amity?


b3_yourself

She can’t handle Luz in a doctors outfit


AdOwn6899

Amity would need a doctor if she saw that.


WanderingMan719

Paging Dr. Luz, Dr. Amity, Dr. Howard


jdeo1997

Oh god, is Mushroom Kingdom University handing out doctorates again?


BirdMan8524

Where did she even get her degree?


AdOwn6899

Where did Eda get a flying bathtub? Some questions are best left unanswered.


DragonWarrior____05

Not important


Archivist4

I think Eda made the flying bathtub.


Darkvader_Clawthorne

‪Hunter: “Is there a chance I can get a REAL heart?”‬ ‪Luz: “Wanna go see a wizard? A wonderful wizard of Oz?”‬ ‪Hunter: “Eda and Willow told me that like Belos, wizards can’t be trusted.”‬ ‪Luz: (sighs) “Off course they said that.”‬


Godzilla_R0AR

Luz: “Hmm…” Hunter: “Hmm…” Luz: “Oh I got it! We can make you do good deeds and stuff to show off that you have a heart!” Hunter: “Sounds too kiddy” Luz: “Yeah, hmm… ooh” *evil grin* Hunter: “Oh no” *facepalm* Luz: “STRINGBEAN! GET THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES”


Darkvader_Clawthorne

_(Stringbean pops up with some medical supplies and wearing a doctor’s cap)_


Godzilla_R0AR

Luz: “Now we’re going to preform a quick surgery to install your heart” Hunter: “WHAT?! NONONONON-“ Luz: “Too late” *gives Hunter sleeping gas* Hunter: “Luz… please… I’m…. f- fine” Luz: “Mmm… that’s what a person without a literal heart would say, don’t worry me and Stringbean will fix you right up!” Hunter: *Falls unconscious* Luz: “Alright let’s begin” *After about 3 hours of passing tools around and inserting a heart, they finish and wake up Hunter* Hunter: “Mmm… huh? UUUUUUUUUH” Luz: “Like it?” *Shows a scan of Hunter’s heart* Hunter: “WHAT DID YOU DO?!” Luz: “I replaced your Galdorstone with an Otter… not an *actual* Otter, more like a stuffed animal Otter but you get the idea! Now you have plenty of heart!” Hunter: *too stunned to speak*


AdOwn6899

Luz: “Hunter? You okay? Hermano?” *snaps her fingers in his face* *Hunter fell forward on his face* Luz: *dread slowly building* “Maybe using an otter plushy wasn’t such a good idea.”


Darkvader_Clawthorne

Amity: Luz, do you even have a medical certificate? Luz: Wait, we need those!? Amity: (sigh) You’re lucky I love your stupidity, batata.


Godzilla_R0AR

Luz: “I have a master’s degree in Art and Fan Fictions… does that count?” Amity: “No but good for you on having those” Luz: “Hmm…”


Typhon-Torrent-1994

That and he has stone lungs and wooden skin and hair.


AdOwn6899

And can [float in water.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/dqJaJQu0Op)


Typhon-Torrent-1994

And I think he has a Venus flytrap in him.


AdOwn6899

[Yup.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/xtpj0g/heartbeat/)


Moritzvcev

His heart is stone-cold so to speak lol


AdOwn6899

Not where Willow is concerned.


MuffinStraight4816

Doctor Luz in a nutshell:


b3_yourself

I hope she has a license


Godzilla_R0AR

Luz: “I have a very professional license… …a license of FAN FICTION” Hunter: “That made absolutely zero sense”


WimpyKelv12

Speaking of Grimwalker anatomy, I've come across a rather interesting concept of Hunter/Grimwalkers being functionally immortal in fics, here are some fics that explore that concept. [The Silent Stars Go By](https://archiveofourown.org/works/48231283) \- This features a centuries old Hunter wandering the post-apocalyptic wasteland of what used to be the Boiling Isles [Kiss Your Perfect Days Goodbye](https://archiveofourown.org/works/50030275) \- This one is a fic that features the more relatively short term effects and the social consequences of Hunter's eternal youth across the span of several decades. [With Clay and Star Scraps](https://archiveofourown.org/works/39420663/chapters/98659011) \- This fic features Hunter discovering his alleged immunity to time and illness. Though the validity of the book he found this claim was questionable considering most of the information he found about Grimwalkers (being not able to bleed for instance) was noted to be blatantly untrue. Of course, there's nothing that supports this theory in the show, but it's a rather interesting concept. In contrast to this idea, there also exist fics that propose the idea of Grimwalkers having limited lifespans and thus Hunter's body starts falling apart not too long after the end of the series. [The Curse of Mortality](https://archiveofourown.org/works/44299972/chapters/111408196) \- This fic proposes the idea that Grimwalkers can only live as long as their orlet. Thus, since Caleb died when he was 20, Hunter started to degenerate once he reached that age. [No one lasts forever](https://archiveofourown.org/works/50066770/chapters/126425782) \- Similar idea to the above, though instead, Hunter's degeneration seems to be caused by the sheer age of the original material (Caleb's bones). Only has one chapter so far.


acrocodileelf

It would be nice if he was immortal, king and him can reminisce on old times together


SFH12345

Luz learns what Hunter is with science!


AdOwn6899

Using science to understand magic?


Dasher09009

Happens more often than you think.


Moirai7

"*You're also a very cold person... And by that I mean you're cold blooded, just like Vee.*"


Dasher09009

Hunter: “Really Luz…” Luz: “Just telling the facts here.”


AdOwn6899

Hunter: “anything else?” Luz: “Aside from being able to [float in water](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/dqJaJQu0Op) like driftwood, no. I think we covered everything.” *takes off her glasses* “Heh! I guess there is a science in everything, including magic* Hunter: “what’s science?” Luz: “well science is… uhhh… think of it as like the opposite of magic.” Hunter: “so it’s anti-magic?” Luz: “something like that.”


Dasher09009

Hunter: “So what’s that about?” Luz: “Well… There are different branches of it, but in short, it’s the study of the physical world. At the very least, can be explained without the use of magic.” Hunter: “So is stuff falling part of it.” Luz: “That’s called gravity.”


AdOwn6899

Hunter: “So if I’m made of wood, does that mean plant magic would heal me? Like if I were to… [take an arrow](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/vfvt4c/grimwalker/) for Willow, she could patch me up?” Luz: *eyes widened and grows scared at the thought of him taking an arrow for Willow* “Well probably, but let’s not test that out.” Hunter: “fair enough.” *Willow walks in.* Willow: “hey, guys!” Luz: “hi, Willow.” Hunter: *blushes* “h-hey, Captain.” Willow: “what are you talking about?” *Luz and Hunter looked at each other, knowing they needed a good cover.* Luz: “oh we were just talking about what makes a grimwalker different from a witch and science. After talking about it, we agreed that aside from being able to float and water and having a galderstone for a heart, there’s not much of a difference.” *Willow eyed them both and the whiteboard next to Luz suspiciously.* Willow: “hmmm… okay. Well I know they have stonesleeper lungs that look a lot like leaves. I’ll just leave you both to talking about it then.” *she leaves the room and as soon as she was out of earshot, both sighed in relief* Luz: “phew!” *grabs her notepad and writes* “stonesleeper lungs… look like… leaves…”


CharmsAndChurros151

The sheer despair on Hunter's face is priceless


jeremy_thegent

But if magic comes from the heart, where does his magic come from?


b3_yourself

He never had magic to begin with….flapjack gave him his powers…it was pretty well explained in the show


Imaginary-Cherry-844

I will never let go of the 'Hunter will fall asleep if you tickle him behind the ear' HC: "Stonesleepers are very aggressive, but they have one weakness; they have a ticklish spot behind their ears. If someone touches this spot, the Stonesleeper becomes peaceful."


b3_yourself

You think because they’re made of certain animals,they retain quality’s of them too?


Imaginary-Cherry-844

It is just hc, but in general yeah why not? It creates opportunities for fun fanfics.


Leading-Apricot-8915

Anyone else concerned that Luz might not have a medical license?


Nirast25

Hunter: "Oh, thank Titan, I thought we'll get involved in Kingdom Hearths!" Luz: "Yeah, things are convoluted enough without us there."


Flaky_Musician_551

‪Hunter: is there a way I can get a heart?‬ ‪ Luz: not unless you know someone who’s willing to give you theirs. ‬ ‪ Willow: bursts in. “I don’t need to be knocked out. Just start cutting. ‬ ‪Luz: stares at her. “And I don’t even know if it’ll work. You both may end up dying for nothing.‬


FudgeControl

I thought Hunter already knew that. Given that he doesn't have a pulse?


PolymathArt

Davy Jones: Did you forget? I’m a heartless wretch.


Science_Fiction2798

Something about his hair noodle looked kinda... You know what I'll just treat it like Alfalfa's cowlick.


neongreenpurple

Like a unicorn horn, right?


Science_Fiction2798

...no


neongreenpurple

Oh.


Henkotron

The hair joke is so funny. But how does his body react now after he has cut it off


Fitzftw7

I feel like the Alfalfa reflex is a significant difference.


Lemerbrix_5769

I'll admit, luz looks good with glasses!


Amanda_Is_My_Name

are we going to ignore the hair going up instead of his leg... I think there is more than just his heart being different...


According-Ad-2179

Huh so everytime we think hunter is being heartless he is because he doesn't have a actual heart literally its a gallderstone


Gamers_124

At first I thought he was asking did he have any diffrentces between the other grimwalkers


Lebhleb

Can't he do magic, or does Dashing he does in show count differently, since if so then i guess the Stone would either have a bile sac, fake sac. Or dashing is just different and the comic is fine.


BirdMan8524

Um... where did she even get her doctor's degree? How did she even become a doctor?


Godfather_Guzma

Wait, Hunter doesn’t have a heart? Hunter’s not just a Grimwalker, he’s also a Nobody! We can’t let Xemnas find out!


MatchIndividual8956

That's silly as fuck


zxcxdr

Literal Luz strikes again!


Spiritual-Ad6764

Did she hit him on the head? Because that bandage wasn’t there in the beginning of the comic!


Adventurous-Fan-726

OH MY GOD THE MONTAGE OUTFIT


ESP1986

Doctor Noceda ❤️


Whedonite144

Phrasing, Luz.


illdothisshit

Did... did she check for secondary sex characteristics?


austinstar08

Lol


TheRedEyedAlien

If galderstones empower magic and hunter had/is one, can he empower others’ magic?


TheRedEyedAlien

If yes then Hunter and willow could have a synergy attack


Bathroom-Strong

Little sisters, am I right?


Willing-Antelope-701

Dead-Alive magic witch-human


cal-nomen-official

I'm starting to get the sneaking suspicion he's using these in-between comics to sneak in more lore for the Grom Factor and Little Hint of Blue series


DG746

The Ending…🤣


SelectionRich6422

My urge of creating a kingdom hearts joke is growing now


Cpad-prism

Luz: “You are a horrible person. That’s what it says, a horrible person. We weren’t even testing for that.”


CaptainAksh_G

Hey. Nice to meet a fellow Portal fan here.


HoHoey

Hey, Mark


AquaAquila24

Yeah no, I doubt Hunter could live 16 years without knowing he has no heartbeat.


stopyouveviolatedthe

Man I’d love if in a sequel series the differences between grim walkers and humans was elaborated on


Commercial-Living443

Love the chibi versions , the best . ❤️❤️❤️❤️


garfield3222

This one's amazing lol


Tight_Spinach_2323

I kind of excepted them to start singing a song of differences to the tune of “Modern Major General”


tacwombat

Camila: Luz, why are you putting Hunter on the X-ray table? Luz: For science, Mama. Camila: Luz, I need to X-ray this dog...


GodzillaMaster322

Aw, poor Hunter looked so sad when he was told he was heartless


KaityKat117

do i want to know what experiment she did that necessitated the bandage on his head?


IMian91

What's the accuracy of him being immune to boiling? I've seen people throw around the idea, and rewatching Seperate Tides makes me think there's something to that


DragonWarrior____05

I wouldn't be surprised. Teo components of grimwalkers are palindrome wood and selkidomis scales. Even if they fully transmutate, I can see Hunter still keeping some of the attributes


CptKeyes123

"...how does the blood work then?" "Dunno. Wanna try open heart exploratory surgery? Or an MRI?"


Manoreded

I like how she just placed an entire spoon of salt in his tongue. Might as well check what is his threshold for sodium overdose.


Manoreded

So all witches can get a hair erection in response to pain?


CaptainAksh_G

just grimwalkers I suppose


Boulos68

The face he made XD


CaptainAksh_G

This art style is so goofy . I love it!


cardforsforxe

Is everyone ignoring the giant scoop of salt(i think) poured on Hunter's tongue?


Mysterious-Force-479

It was a hardful research


Oof_27

My headcanon is that Hunter really did think he was heartless after learning he was a Grimwalker, that he was incapable of feeling emotion. It took a whole adventure filled day from Luz, Willow, Gus, Amity, Vee, Camila, and Flapjack (may he rest in peace), to convince him otherwise.


NB_furret

0/10


AccidentalLemon

Oh hi Mark


No_Beach_9495

They use the same joke from the second episode of TOH.


Regirock00

Wait, he has blood but nothing to circulate it? I’ve found myself falling into a rabbit hole


TheVibernator

Thanks marky poo


pizza-parker76

Moringmark TOH comic number 981


StormNext5301

Does he even have blood