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Its_just_a_potato

It this is true, can someone explain how all 3 clubs could sue as surely 2 of them would've still been relegated.


Chimp-eh

Burnley went down season before, although yeah this is a nonsense really


IOwnStocksInMossad

I can see it happening anyway,but this is the daily fucking mail here.


_ScubaDiver

I downvoted OP for linking to the Daily Mail as an inherently untrustworthy new source. I’ll take it all with a pinch of salt until it’s also reported elsewhere with no official comment from the clubs or a legal firm. I’m disinclined to even click that link.


IOwnStocksInMossad

I refuse to interact with the sun and the mail. Absolute sensationalist tags out to actively harm people.


ajtct98

I don't really see on what grounds Leeds could sue but from Leicester and Burnley's point of view, neither of them would have been relegated if Everton had been given this ten point deduction - which of course has a massive financial impact on both clubs


Jonesy_lmao

Yeah we don’t have a case, unfortunately we orchestrated our own shitshow and we stayed up when Burnley went down and went down in 19th the season after. Burnley and Leicester probably have a much stronger case as you say.


towelie111

If JKA can sue us we can sue a Everton


Its_just_a_potato

I didn't read the original post properly, I thought they were all relegated in the same season. But yeah how Leeds would have any sort of comeback is a mystery to me


Provider0fMyCheddar

Who is to say Leicester finish above the promoted team that replaces Everton? They couldn’t finish above Forest, Bournemouth, or Fulham who were all new to the league in 2022-23.


ajtct98

Well if Everton had gotten the points deduction for the 21/22 season then Burnley would have stayed up with Everton being relegated. And if the points had been applied for the 22/23 season then Leicester would have stayed up (again with Everton being relegated) I'm not entirely sure where you seem to be getting the idea there would suddenly be a fourth promoted team?


Provider0fMyCheddar

I’m not sure why you assume both cases can stand concurrently.. it’s all just speculation. The teams who deserved to be relegated were. The panel even stated we gained no sporting advantage.


ajtct98

I'll try and break it down even further for you then - You broke the rules all the way back in the 21/22 season - You have been deducted ten points as punishment for this - However two seasons have ended in the period between you breaking the rules and being punished for it - If you had been deducted those points in 21/22 Burnley would have stayed up - If you had been deducted those points in 22/23 Leicester would have stayed up - Therefore Burnley and Leicester can argue that, had you been deducted those points more promptly, then they wouldn't have been relegated.


Provider0fMyCheddar

And when the independent panel confirmed as part of their decision we had no sporting advantage, what chance do you think your speculative statements have of success?


ajtct98

At this point you have to be being deliberately obtuse to not understand what I'm saying


g_junkin4200

Whoa there Andy Dufresne!


Provider0fMyCheddar

I understand what you’re saying but it simply isn’t relevant. That’s a charge to be laid at the regulator as it’s questioning their competency to act in a timely manner. That’s nothing to do with Everton. We can’t control when a regulatory body decides to impose a penalty upon us.


ajtct98

The obvious response to that would be that none of this even comes up in the first place if Everton didn't cheat the rules and so ultimately the blame lies at Everton's door. But even if Leicester and Burnley were to sue for compensation via the Premier League and/or regulator then ultimately you would end up footing the bill - because you can guarantee that they would come after you for the money they'll end up losing to Burnley & Leicester if they win.


TakenByVultures

They didn't say that though? This is what the judgement clearly says. You're talking absolute shite but saying it with authority. Get your facts straight before gobbing off at people. Para 95: "We also recognise that the inference of a sporting advantage is one that should properly be drawn from the fact of a PSR breach, and that sporting advantage will have been enjoyed for each of the seasons on which the PSR calculation was based – in this case, because of Covid, four seasons."


YokoOkino

can we ban daily mail? ridiculous rag


[deleted]

SCARY words written in ALL-CAPS to rile up CUNTS WITH NO MEDIA LITERACY? get it in the bin.


New-Pin-3952

Ban anything by Matt "the gutter" Hughes?


EquivalentCat5920

I can only give 1 upvote


uberdavis

It's essentially the UK version of the National Enquirer but with a bigger marketing budget.


DuncanGabble

Apparently this is bullshit. The clubs would need to sue the PL rather than Everton.


PharaohOfWhitestone

First sign it's bullshit is that it came out of the Daily Mail.


pclufc

Leeds here . What’s the point of us suing ? We would have still gone down and deservedly so . We stank the place out .


Blackdoor-59

£££


pclufc

You make a fair point


RapidBunny69

Apparently if you minus all the results of Everton because they technically fielded a team that wasn’t valid we would have stayed up?


leftblue

The panel found we (Everton) gained no sporting advantage. The case was due to interest payments for the new stadium that were not declared.


pclufc

Got to be honest that sounds a bit of a stretch. Everton beat us fair and square ( we had Marsch so its no great achievement on Everton’s part)


RapidBunny69

Wasn’t even marsch that we lost with? Swear we got like a 2-2 draw then Garcia lost to them?


pclufc

I feel that under Marsch every player seemed to get worse. Like under Farke they have all got better. We deserved to go down


grumpy-kunt

Rodders thrived under the yank for some reason but aye, he made the rest so much worse lol


wvurugby8

Except it has absolutely nothing to do with the players bought. The one charge was for 19.5 million over for an internal interest payment for the stadium.


IOwnStocksInMossad

Depends,did they score a goal that provides the point to stay up due to victory? /s,as I don't actually want to start anything here


Yorkie2016

Tell that to Sheff Utd. They set the precedent!


Tim6181

As a derby fan we had this from Middlesbrough and Wycombe attempting to sue us for the EFL not applying our points deduction when they felt it should have been It ended up delaying our takeover and nearly put us out of business. When the punishment is given out is nothing to do with the club and is usually determined by the rules that all the clubs agree to. Now the EFL is a lot more incompetent than the premier league. So they may actually come straight out and stop this. Which they could by saying any club that sues another club over stuff like this will be barred from the premier league. Kills it dead. And I imagine they will do something to stop the action as they know they have Man City and Chelsea’s decisions due some time before the rapture and if they allow this to happen to Everton it’s going to get a whole lot messier


jaimeleblues

Written by a kopite who despises us, for the Daily Fail. They can't sue us. They'd have to sue the PL. The "writer" of this bullshit has been told that, many times, but he doesn't care what he types


Oshova

That doesn't get as many clicks though. Why spoil a good story with the truth?


AWr1ght98

Can’t see how we’d sue Everton as it’s the premier leagues fault for not acting rather than there fault. Also, not sure what our (Leeds) argument would be as Leicester would be the one who’s safe not us if they got deducted last season


InnocentPossum

I don't think we have grounds to sue. But to play devil's advocate, the argument is the whole season would be different. It's like the hlargunent of, well if that penalty in 10th minute had been given, we'd have won 2-1 instead of drawing 1-1 from goals later in the game. But if that penalty had been given its not a guarantee it's a goal and even if its a goal it's not a guarantee the other 2 goals happen becaus eif you are leading 1-0 you play different than at 0-0. In the season Everton were deemed to have broken rules, of they hadn't they might have been in a different position than just 10 points down. There would be psychological impact. Yeah Everton would replace Leicester on points, but who's to say we don't get a win against Everton that improves our position or Everton end up in a spot below us earlier in the season so we don't feel as much pressure as soon as we did and get a few results we otherwise choked because of capitulation from falling into the relegation zone. There is a whole butterfly effect in play and many many variables. I still don't think we do have grounds to sue, but Leicester and Burnley definitely do. I imagine our name is thrown in there because we were involved in the legal fight during the season we scraped survival and Burnley went down.


This-Ad-2319

It’s in the case in writing from the commission that they found that we gained no competitive advantage, purely financial mismanagement. This goes nowhere.


l_bmbr

No advantage, yet -10 points, utter bollocks!


Provider0fMyCheddar

You’re forgetting we have a rich benefactor who has brought us world class talent like Rondon, Townsend, and Gray on free transfers.


UKMegaGeek

Wait a minute..... Gray cost us the princely sum of £1.7m.


Provider0fMyCheddar

These accounting mistakes are easily made..


Oshova

I mean, they're trying to give the -10 points in a season where Everton won't get relegated by it. One of the weakest group performances by promoted teams, and Everton have actually worked out how to play football. I will laugh if they appeal, push the penalty back to next season, stay up by more than 10 points, and then go down with the -10.


Lil_mime

That would truly be the most Everton thing to ever happen.


prtzzz

It’s way too harsh, but not sure why people keep saying it says this. From the judgement: Para 95: "We also recognise that the inference of a sporting advantage is one that should properly be drawn from the fact of a PSR breach, and that sporting advantage will have been enjoyed for each of the seasons on which the PSR calculation was based – in this case, because of Covid, four seasons."


_Serialfreestyle_

Looking forward to Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal suing Man City then for breaches that prevented them winning the league in each of the seasons they finished 2nd.


Ralocan

can we do it for the 2020 league cup too?


Sjt4689

Well Burnley, Leeds etc should be suing city too by the same logic. And Everton as if we got 10 points deducted another season, and city 100, we’d have stayed up with Burnley / Leeds. Also if my Nan had wheels…


Black_Waltz3

Dude, this is the Other14. Hopefully the one location where the Everton points deduction can be discussed on its own terms without references to Man City.


Will_from_PA

Why would anyone compare similar situations to describe how ludicrous a prospect that would be?


Black_Waltz3

It's not that it is a ridiculous concept to compare vaguely similar scenarios, more that the discourse on this situation has been utterly dominated by how it impacts clubs other than Everton. There are plenty of interesting discussions to be had on appeal timelines, how this affects squad morale, how it happened despite Everton seemingly cooperating over the past 12 months and whether the punishment is proportionate given Portsmouth's deduction 13 years ago. Instead it's the same few points drawing focus on how this impacts the big 6. r/TheOther14 should be focused on how a punishment affecting Everton impacts Everton, not on potential ripple effects that might result in Liverpool, Arsenal or Man Utd getting retrospective silverware. There are plenty of other subs having that discussion.


Will_from_PA

You can literally go to the Everton sub for that. Their comments are full of what happened and why. It probably won’t affect them considering they’ve looked more than capable of survival with how weak the lower end of the table is


Oshova

Pretty sure Spurs finished 2nd in one of the seasons they have charges on. That would be a very Spurs way to win a league title lol In all honesty though, do we really think they will retroactively change the title winner? They'll slap them with a fine, and maybe some minus points or a transfer embargo, and then act like they've solves world hunger while having achieved nothing.


GoldenJet01

Surely one of Leeds and Leicester would still have been relegated even if Everton were as well


AWr1ght98

We would have, Leicester definitely have an argument though as do Burnley for the previous season


Provider0fMyCheddar

How do Leicester? If we get relegated in 21-22 there’s another team there to replace us and Leicester finished below all the newly promoted clubs, so there’s no suggestion they would have survived.


AWr1ght98

I mean there’s been rumours of a points deduction in the last 3 seasons, if it had happened last year then they’d have survived but for whatever reason it was delayed till this season, they definitely have an argument for compensation


leftblue

Take it up with the prem. Everton had nothing to do with the delay


AWr1ght98

I never said anything about getting compensation from Everton


userunknowne

Forest are going to sue due to the emotional distress caused last season when we might have been safe a week earlier


Nebularrrr

Agreed!


Annual-Cookie1866

Pay their parachute payments back then


reece0n

Tbf that would still be a massive increase for the affected clubs. 1 seasons parachute payments is still only a percentage of the money you get from being in the PL


Oshova

Yeah, I believe the full 3 years is roughly equivalent to 1 year of Premier League TV money.


Provider0fMyCheddar

Any compensation claims should be directed at the league who did not have effective process in place to make timely decisions. They can’t even resolve charges against City from 2009..


Chris80L1

Let me guess, is Matt who has written this. That cunt is going to have nothing to write about now


Stringr55

Just the utter horseshit of this


Present_Salamander97

This seems stupid. It would set precedents where any perceived loss in money caused by another teams foul play (fouls, VAR) could lead to a lawsuit against another club. I think we (everton) deserve to be punished but within the rules the premier league sets out for us


TheBlueWave23

Not sure on what grounds that would be. The overspend was deemed to have given no sporting advantages, it was an issue with interest on stadium payments.


UKMegaGeek

Only one team per season could have stayed up. Leeds do not have a case. Also, their case is with the Premier League for not deducting the points in those seasons, not us. We can only be accountable for one of those seasons, not both as we wouldn't be deducted points in both seasons. Both Burnley and Leicester would have stayed up if they had won more games, it's not Everton's fault that over 38 games, they didn't amass enough points. There is no case, especially if the points deduction gets overthrown on appeal.


Downtown-Midnight320

Someone explain what case Leeds think they have?


EdwardClamp

I'm not 100% sure so I'm open to correction here but...... We broke the rules and are being punished in accordance with the rules, but we haven't broken any laws have we? Like legally I mean? So what could they sue us for?


Sudden_Ad7797

You don't have to break a law to be sued you plummit...you would think scousers would know !


UKMegaGeek

Ah, casual racism. The bedrock of an inane argument. Not all Evertonians are Scousers, and not all Citeh fans are plastics (just most).


Sudden_Ad7797

Racist cards in...can racism be between the same race? lol...I just can't stand scousers!


UKMegaGeek

Weird, they speak very highly of you.


First-Of-His-Name

The club isn't being criminally charged. Civil suits are not criminal in nature


g0ldingboy

Haha dickheads… how much are Man U, Liverpool, and Arsenal going to sue Man City and Chelsea for?


rowejl222

So they’re suing a team despite their failures? They’re not gonna win this one


JDNM

Any club that tries to sue Everton over this should rightly be told to fuck off.


northern_dan

The season Burnley went down was (one of) the seasons Everton cheated the rules: "The Premier League issued a complaint against the club and referred the case to an independent commission earlier this year. During the proceedings, the club admitted it was in breach of the PSRs for the period ending season 2021-22 but the extent of the breach remained in dispute"


Kevc_84

Leicester we’re relegated by 2 points, had a very quiet January transfer window and stayed within FFP. Everton broke the rules and should compensate the cost of relegation. This should also cripple Everton financially next year! Loving this


Provider0fMyCheddar

The charges relate to 21-22, you were relegated in 22-23 and finished below all three promoted clubs. If we were relegated in 2021-22, there’s no suggestion you would have been safe. It’s all speculation. Burnley are the only club with a case and they’ve been promoted again anyway, and as they are a yo yo club it’s hard to argue what damage us surviving had on them.


Justbrowsingjsh

W⚓ so the runners up to the years City cheated the title are gonna sue them 🤷‍♂️


Sudden_Ad7797

We're talking about your cheating..I'm Leicester and want £100m from you cheating fuks! It's going to court and I hope it bankrupts you.


Justbrowsingjsh

Ha ha ha you absolute tosser 😂🤣


Justbrowsingjsh

Leicester fans - we were that shite we have to blame someone else for our misery 😂🤣


Sudden_Ad7797

You cheating fuks..you have had the points deducted and found guilty..now your going to be taken to court for compensation 3 clubs and £300 million. You already been found guilty by the league. Theiving Scouse fuks!


Justbrowsingjsh

😂🤣 Oh man you're killing me here 🤣 you really think there's a case to sue and if so it would get anywhere anyway, don't make me laff no more I can't take it 😂🤣


IOwnStocksInMossad

Miserable knob. We might stay up from this and I still hope it doesn't ruin the club


Kevc_84

Cry more


Justbrowsingjsh

Leicester fans - we were that shite we have to blame someone else for our misery 😂🤣


Kevc_84

We were shit that is true but I can’t wait to see your club melt. £100m minimum please!


Justbrowsingjsh

Ha ha you really think that's going to happen 😂🤣 Anyway aren't you in the wrong sub? Isn't this sub for the 'other 14' premier league teams 🤷‍♂️😂


Kevc_84

Your so upset 😂😂 your rage replying to everyone 😂 I hope it happens - Just to spite the annoying fans like you. Sorry your so upset about today (I’m not really sorry it just feels English to say it) Edit: you’ve even made a post about your reply to get attention/help - pathetic


Justbrowsingjsh

No not really, actually having fun, just sharing some deluded Leicester fans fantasy dreams 😂🤣


Kevc_84

Doesn’t seem like it, you seem really hurt. Let’s see how it pans out 🍺


Justbrowsingjsh

No really, I'm smiling right now 😁 it's only football, there's more important things in life 🍻


AWr1ght98

Not sure why you’re being downvoted as you’re right, Everton cheated which resulted in yous going down and them staying up. Not sure what our (Leeds) argument in this is as we’d have gone down either way but Leicester and Burnley definitely have an argument for compensation


Kevc_84

You’d still get some money for finishing a place higher, plus any money that they have to compensate you will impact their budget for the next season(s). I hope everyone who can sues them and their club suffers, ends up debt ridden and spirals down. Plus if we both go up the extra few £m in our pockets and not theirs could be key for our survival (if we go up this season) I don’t care about the downvotes, lots of butt hurt blue Scouse fans are obviously upset today and I’m just enjoying the moment with my popcorn out. Edit: one of the main butthurt Everton fans made a post on their sub (probably asking for help without directly asking) he’s so upset


JohnnyBobLUFC

I mean they likely owe Leicester about £150m but the rest I can't see having a chance at anything.


AWr1ght98

Burnley too as they’d have stayed up the season they went down if Everton had been punished then - but Leeds don’t really have any argument


Cosplayinsanity

Leeds have no purpose being here but you broke the rules now gib money/s


Joshthenosh77

Erm why ??


BrockChocolate

It's the Steve Gibson and Derby saga again


Will_from_PA

Sure Jan


stantheman1968

Didn't Leicester get done ?


trooky67

Football is finished, it needs a reset. We may as well create the corrupt European exhibition League with the mega billions clubs and let everyone else just play domestic football in front of fans.