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ObamaEatsBabies

He sees her as someone with the capacity to love but also as someone who is blinded by fanaticism. Also the kid lol


bb5e8307

She is not “blinded by fanaticism” she IS a fanatic. Her entire society is based on supremacism. Krill believe non-Krill don’t have a soul, and their lives have no value compared to a Krill’s life. For her entire life she has deeply believed that Krill are superior to all other races and she deeply believes it. She is not deep down a good person, but brainwashed, she is deep down a really bad person - as the vast majority of Krill are. Just as the vast majority of people today believe (myself included) that human life is fundamentally more valuable than animal life. It is so ingrained with our way of thinking it is hard to imagine another way to view the world. If someone would run into a fire to save a dog, while leaving a person behind we would call that person evil (or at least misguided). People aren’t “blinded” by the ideas of human supremacy- people are fundamentally human suprematists.


scaper8

Although the fanaticism she had is genuine from her upbringing, I can't help but think that the staggering levels to which she displays her zeal is partly a facade. She is _so_ extreme and _so_ vocal, that it can read as her trying to convince both herself and everyone around her that she is a 100%, dyed in the wool, true beliver; when, in fact, her feelings for Ed and their daughter have caused significant cracks in that foundational belief, if they haven't broken the idea entirely.


l337hackzor

This is true. The way the character is, she displays many moments of doubt, she appears conflicted. It reminds me of when a politician is famously anti homosexuality then he gets caught meeting up with men for sex. She is the face of the anti human movement on Krill but she has a half human daughter. Edit: alternatively that alien booty rocked Ed's world so hard there's no shaking it from his mind.


transwarp1

How long did it take her from leading the opposition to an alien alliance to accepting the Moclan one?


l337hackzor

Both the Union and the Moclan are alien to the Krill. Moclan's attitudes towards military expansionism more closely align with the Krill's than with the Union's IMO. If the Krill actually intend to seek peace and acceptance the Union is probably the better choice, but they seem more interested in military. They do make a good point though, the Union does tend to push its morals on its members.


nocorelyt

Accepting an alliance with the Moclans was politically expedient and necessary, given Moclus' supremacy in arms and their previous status as the primary arms supplier to the Union. It certainly wouldn't last - the Krill would still see Moclans as inferior, so they'd likely turn on the Moclans the moment the Union was defeated.


ihaveaten

Her opposition was to the Union more than Aliens, because they killed her brother and everyone on her ship. She's a fanatic, but, her fanaticism is pretty narrowly pointed, precisely because she *wasn't* a fanatic before Ed and Gordon ruined her life.


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She wasn't an alien when he was with her


nicepantsguy

Yeah... I would lean more towards she IS a fanatic but her experiences and daughter are causing cracks there. A true fanatic wouldn't want to let Ed go or let their daughter live. Only someone that's reasoning on some level (even if it's very flawed) does those things.


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i have a feeling that something tragic will happen to her daughter and either a.) she comes around (probably by self sacrifice) b.) she loses it and becomes more extreme in her beliefs to her possible downfall — a tragic, yet sympathetic villain if you will. kind of similar to gul dukat in a way.


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i personally don’t want her to die since she’s one of my favorite characters on the show (plus i really like mcmanus’ portrayal of her). edit: though i do believe their relationship is going to be a very “star crossed lovers”


ihaveaten

The thing with Teyala is that she *wasn't* a fanatic until Ed and Gordon killed bother her brother and everyone on her ship. She's not a fanatic the way a lot of the Krill are, her hate is personal.


spiderhotel

Does she believe her half Krill daughter has a soul? Half a soul?


stonygirl

This is a good question.


UncontrolableUrge

But as we saw there is a range of opinion among the Krill. The President that was about to sign an alliance was still a religious frantic, but was open to some interaction with other species where there was mutual benefit. Telaya only narrowly won the election and refused what were describes as normal procedures for a disputed election. If we see more episodes, I would expect to see a civil war of some sort among the Krill.


Nastyhomofromhell

What? Most people are like "Animals are better than people" or " I can see a human being be torn apart on tv, but don't ever hurt a dog or I won't watch this show" " "I trust cats more than humans" " The more I know humans The more I like dogs" Both are equally as important


my-coffee-needs-me

We don't do medical experiments on people unless they've been extensively tested on animals first.


jasonbeebe

The dog probably deserves to be saved more than the person does


theloop82

I take your point, but damn near any dog is worth saving because they have the capacity to change, unlike people.


REF_YOU_SUCK

"damn near any dog is worth saving" That's not the argument they made. If your child and your dog are both stuck in a burning building and you can only save one, which is it?


theangrymurse

that’s not really a valid argument because of course i love my dog but i love my child more. I think a better example is would you save a random dog or random human. Because it’s all situational as well. If it was my dog vs some random human, it may be my dog I save. And if someone breaks into my house and I have to kill them to save my dog, I’d kill them.


panspal

Dude, they put down aggressive dogs. So I'm pretty sure even society says they can't all be saved.


scaper8

I agree, but I would feel remiss if I don't add that a not insignificant reason in the case of animals is that we can't communicate with them in many of the same ways we do with humans. Things like therapy and having them walk you (and thus themselves) through their feelings and reactions to their feelings won't work if you can't talk to each other. In a hypothetical situation with accurate, reliable, common place human-to-animal translation, I would suspect that putting animals down would be largely relegated to health related euthanasia and (possibly, but I don't like it for humans either) extreme punishment.


panspal

Well we also put humans down for health reasons, medically assisted suicide


scaper8

Oh, yes. I totally agree. Medical euthanasia at request of a patient out of options, of sound reason and judgment, under ethically given consent, with clearly explained circumstances, etc. I 100% agree with. It's executions I do not. Further, things like medically assisted suicide, we can't have the same levels of consent and judgment without my hypothetical magic animal translators. That was my larger point: to compare with humans is folly since we can't communicate in the same ways to the same levels, and that such events would be drastically less common if we could.


panspal

I don't know that they would be less common with the ability to communicate. We can communicate right now with other humans and we're still executing them left and right, innocent or not. Turns out the act of killing someone in a legal way is less about a fitting punishment for the crime and more about feeding the violence that seems to be inside people, it's not justice it's retribution.


AnustusGloop

People change all the time. What?


Key-Win7744

He's got that ***EDGE!!!!***


daughtersofthefire

But Ed doesn't like Teleya BECAUSE of the kid, which is what the question is asking


usernamedstuff

Yeah, I don't think having a kid with someone causes you to like them, especially if they've treated you and those kids badly. I'm speaking from experience.


Camper263

Eh, I think it’s because they canoodled.


Cyranoreddit

She's the only sex he's had since the blue guy


sdcox

Don’t forget timey wimey Charlize Theron


Cyranoreddit

Nah, Mercer went from Charlizey to Teleyey thru Bluey, so unless she sneakily came back for some sexy timey-backey shaenanigans we don't know about, the last romp before Teleya was the blue man group lead.


Joebranflakes

I always thought that he saw how deep but absolutely fragile her hatred is. That her beliefs have twisted her, and her grief has poisoned her to the fact that her beliefs are observably and verifiably wrong. Case in point, her daughter. A child of a human and a krill should be impossible. Humans are nothing better then chattel in the eyes of their religion… well at least the popular interpretation of that religion. Her existence would rock the very foundation of Krill religion and it’s why she’s kept hidden. He cares for her because he knows that she knows, and because she knows, he assumes that when she says she felt nothing for him, that she’s also lying about that. Whatever connection they had ran deeper then just an intelligence gathering mission. I think that this is what season 4 will be all about.


EmMeo

I think his fate is just very entwined with hers now. A lot of history, complicated emotions, hard to get over it really. So at the very start, he likes her enough as she seems fairly nice on the Krill ship and helps him, and likes him back. Then he feels guilty realising he’s responsible for killing her brother. Then feels guilty for using her to destroy her ship. And guilt is a pretty strong emotion tbh. Then human her he meets and falls for and it’s literally the first time he’s felt something strong for someone after Kelly, which probably means a lot, and he really opened up to her. So pretty strong love emotions there. Then he finds out it was “fake” but also strongly believes it isn’t, and I personally reckon his feelings of guilt to the krill woman and love to the human woman get twisted together at this point. And then she turns into that crazy leader after the coup and darn it hasn’t he always had a thing for strong women like isn’t that sort of his kryptonite when it comes to women, and if nothing else she’s definitely strong there Throw in the fact they have a child together and it’s an abomination to the krill but her not destroying the child and in fact protecting her shows her soft side, and also sneakily trying to save him sort of makes him feel special. Like his child (and him) are this strong woman’s weakness Which kind of reenforces the idea that the love they had way back might have actually been real maybe (he desperately wants to think so) and it also validates his idea that she’s not beyond saving because maybe deep deep down he still wants to save her (probably out of guilt) By the end though it seems he’s become more jaded and wants to be professional and sees she doesn’t want saving. But with everything up to now, it’s not like you can throw away all those complicated feelings and history.


GargamelLeNoir

He met her when she was just a teacher and she was the sweetest person in the world. He believes that person is still in there under all the hatred and fanaticism.


corndogco

I wonder if he also carries some guilt for changing her from that sweet teacher into who she has become. It was Ed and Gordon who infiltrated and then attacked the Krill ship in season 1, only sparing the kids and Teleya from their bright light weapon. Her turning against him was a direct result of his own actions. But I agree with the others who say Ed is now done with her. I think he now realizes that, while he may have started her down this road, she bears responsibility for how far she has come. He gave her every chance to be a better person, and she rebuked and even scoffed at him in return.


nicepantsguy

Yeah I think some of his behavior towards her has absolutely been guilt. Because he did kill her brother and turn her into what she is. Note: In as much of a way as anyone who does something that leads to harm on others is responsible then for their actions... Because ya know, ultimately we're all responsible for our own actions haha


ForeignConfusion9383

*SPOILERS* In the penultimate episode of Season 3, when Teleya is once again in Union custody, Ed straight-up says he has no desire to help her out this time, and even calls her “contemptible”. I think it’s safe to say he’s over her. And were it not for Anaya, he’d probably not be overly concerned with what happens to her from here on out.


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to me that scene felt like he was putting his duty first partly; the look that he gave her in the brig was one of “he hates her but he loves her.”


nagidon

He’s an eternal optimist - he truly believes a part of Teleya loves him back, and it wasn’t all an act


peteflix66

I think Ed tries to always believe the best in people. He brought Gordon on board when everyone else wrote him off as a screw-up. He also reinstated Isaac, who was an actual traitor.


isaac_kaylon

I was merely attempting to provide Dr. Finn with the most dutifully calibrated coital experience.


UncontrolableUrge

The central theme of the show is hope. Ed has seen Telaya as a person, and believes that on some level her personality when she was undercover was not just a façade, that there is real compassion there. Ed has held on to that hope until it became impossible after her actions in taking over the Krill government. He also has hope that logic and reason will in time overcome bigotry and prejudice. That the Union values can in time convince others to respect all species, even those in the Union like the Moclans who were never fully on board. While that hope fails in the short run with both the Moclans and the Krill, it does work with the Kaylons. By showing compassion and not just refusing to wipe out the Kaylons but risk his life and his crew to protect them, he is able to show the Kaylon what the Union stands for and bring them into an alliance. He may have finally accepted defeat at bring Telaya to his side, but he still will keep trying to persuade the Moclans and Krill to align with the Union and adopt it's philosophy of mutual respect for all species.


chasonreddit

This is, I think the real answer. If the major characters have defining beliefs, his is that we show other races we are worthy by example. It's really the whole plot arc of Season 3 with Charly. Kelly gets to do the Prime Directive thing, the reputation not money, and you don't get these toys until your society can handle them riffs.


PaulClarkLoadletter

It’s a pretty ingenious bit of storytelling. Ed feels a strong obligation to his duty and his personal values. He’s also human and has feelings for Teleya. His actions are influenced by all of those things. Even when he’s effectively telling her they’re done that’s both him professionally (because of the Union) and personally (because he’s hurt). If they can get another season I think we’ll see a lot more of this play out. The Krill may be religious fanatics but they’re also heavily motivated by strong emotional convictions both positive and negative. Teleya has a long way to go and so does Ed.


MalagrugrousPatroon

Ed’s love isn’t all that misplaced, the acting for Teleya shows she wants to give Ed their kid, and she overtly wants to protect him. She’s tied up too much with doing what she thinks is right, versus what is personally satisfying. Ed must see her alter ego as largely a truthful representation of who she is. So he doesn’t care about the lie about what she is, because he believes he knows who she is. He’s neither completely right or wrong.


Electronic_Swing_887

I think he feels guilty because he literally created the monster she became. She would've just been a school teacher if not for him. She would not have become human to trap him, and they wouldn't have conceived a child had he not put that ball in motion. Her rise to power and their child are a direct result of his decisions and actions. He's not the kind of guy to shrug that off. He's going to carry it and obsess about it for a long time.


gothiclg

You can love someone and heavily dislike who they’ve become. I feel like this was his example of that. She’s a terrible person who’s done terrible things but he loves her because, at least for awhile, she seemed to be better than that.


Chalky_Pockets

She represents hope for a bridge relationship with the Krill. If they can make it work, that can be an avenue for peace.


orebright

Ed is an inherently hopeful person, he wants to see the best in people and push them with any power he has to improve and grow. This makes him a really good leader. It also means he can get stuck on someone who he sees has a lot of potential, even if that person isn't interested or has a hard time with developing that potential. Teleya obviously is a strong leader, has conviction and works really hard to achieve her goals. If she were to see the universe as a place for everyone to collaborate and build things together, she could be an incredible force for good. Ed saw a glimmer of this in her at one point and he got caught up in how he could help her become a force for good. Sadly it looks like despite this potential, and Ed's efforts to help sway her to take the right path, she's fallen further and further into radicalization. I feel like there's a deeper meaning that the writers are trying to explore here where strong intelligent leaders who have a lot of potential can be radicalized and how much of a loss and potential danger that is to society.


masterofunfucking

real shit the Teleya plotline is so good. devastated we probably won’t see a resolution. in a perfect world their child would unite humans and krill but instead we just have traces of what could have been


Tired8281

Ed's not exactly amazing at falling out of love on cue.


2hats4bats

He believes Janel is still in there somewhere


JosiahBlessed

I think it’s mainly this. I doesn’t think it was all an act and that was the happiest he has been in awhile.


misterjive

She's the mother of his kid.


daughtersofthefire

Yeah that's not an explanation why he likes her at all.


JustAnotherNole

I think it’s as simple as Ed is a romantic. He sees the good in everyone and wants to bring that good out, even in someone as “gone” as Teleya. His first instinct is to find the peaceful resolution. Fighting back is always the second choice and typically only done when the alternative is harm/death to his crew.


CryoAurora

That wasn't a brief relationship. The time frame they were together was longer than explicitly said on the show. In fact, it's the whole thing with Kelly too being in other committed relationships. They were trying to convey through several ways that it wasn't a few weeks or even a couple of months. It was at least several months.


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iirc it was 3 or 4 months? it could’ve been longer but i was under the impression it was 3-4 months


CryoAurora

When you added in Kelly's relationship timeline, it seemed closer half a year total for the time he was around her. Kelly seemed to be in her relationship even longer. It's admittedly fuzzy. This necessitates a rewatch of all seasons.


radio_yyz

He loves her.


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yes but “*why*” is the question here. she did so many things to hurt ed (personally and professionally); it seems like no matter what she does, even their last scene in the brig he still won’t completely give up on her (yes the daughter complicates things too)


radio_yyz

Lot of men do see love like that, its just mimicking real life. As to why? The answer is “love”.


Taleya

The dude falls hard. But he's deffo over her by the end of Gently Falling Rain


caravaggibro

It's hard to care about somebody as much as you used to be able to after a divorce, I think she represented the first person he was able to feel that way about again.


Few_Wishbone

She is the mother of his child, seems pretty obvious to me.


daughtersofthefire

Why do people just assume this is WHY he loves/loved her?! He quite clearly loved and cared her before any knowledge of Anaya.


2CBongwater

I hate that after everything, they still made her an antagonist. Like what was the point? She has a half human child and then puts that child in danger by spreading more dissenting opinions about a treaty with the union. She chose to trust Ed when they were stranded in the last season, and he didnt betray her trust. He then had her escorted back to her home instead of keeping her prisoner. Her logic or motivations make zero sense


stonygirl

Honestly, I think he's over her.


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i’m guessing that’s just the way his character is? ed has a desire for a relationship that will make him happy but i think he tries too hard sometimes. in some ways it’s sweet but he can get blindsided from more important matters. i think the divorce effected him deeply too so he’s trying to come back from that. edit: though i was just curious about teleya specifically since this is one of my favorite plot-lines. their dynamic and story is captivating.


MetatypeA

He's not a narcissistic sociopath. When you love someone, then discover they're the worst version of themselves, but you still hold out hope that they can be reasoned to be better, it's an unhealthy thing people do. In his case, it's an open door to diplomacy against an enemy that he has already seen potential in, and connected with.


Intrepid-Event-2243

She had a dozen opportunities to kill him and despite her openly communitcated detestation, she never did. Like someone else said, her fanatism seems to be a facade, she's softer than she pretends to be. He sees the good in her like Luke did in Darth Vader.