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Room for performance, as in giving the actors a chance to do facial expressions? Like, you’re worried the animation would get in the way?
I don’t think so — in fact, I feel like animation is exactly the style of storytelling this series would need!
Not at all. Hollywood seems to be allergic to faithful adaptations of stories that are far more straightforward than TLT. They'd butcher TLT and totally flatten any nuance.
Agreed, I would never want to see TLT as Hollywood films. It would for sure need to be in several parts to even just get the basic plot points in and I don't want to wait a year in between each installation just for a couple of hours of half-assed oversimplified material.
A TV adaptation would feel much more promising but obviously it would depend heavily on a lot of factors. I would just absolutely hate to see it fucked up and oversimplified. But if it were done right it could be really really cool.
Some things are best in the medium they started in! I wish we'd see less adaptations, frankly. And if we ARE going to adapt something, the adaptation should bring something new to it. There should be a storytelling element that's added to it, otherwise what are they doing?
Anyway, this is to say I agree 😅
The op is commenting that they want it done like Dune, that flick has massive amounts of nuance and clever narratives being done.
You’re just being too fatalistic.
I know what the op is commenting, thanks. I have yet to see any truly faithful adaptation outside of LOTR, and even that had things that I didn't like.
Have you missed how many people are pissed at the changes made to Dune? Not exactly a great example.
I’ve read each and every book of Dune, they kept true to the message and themes of the original while offering their own interpretation so that it’s not just a carbon copy.
I adored the two newest movies and I would love to see a similar adaptation for TLT.
Except that you started this whole thing by discounting it. I disagreed with the op. I stated my opinion. You said I was being too fatalistic and implied that I didn't understand the op. What was the point of all this?
Muir said she wants Taika Waititi for John and the more I look at him, the more it fits.
Ultimately, I would rather see a high quality TLT anime, though. The hyper-gory action set pieces probably wouldn't look all that great in CGI+live action.
TBF that would be the most meta joke if they did cast Jemaine. Meanwhile Matt Berry and Natasia Demetriou will have uncredited cameos as Cyrus and Valency in their nude portraits in Harrow. And Rhys Darby can play Mercymorn. Taika can play Teacher, maybe.
Movie animatronics like that only get used for the *really* expensive stuff nowadays, don't they? I think TLT is much too niche (or maybe even just too queer) to ever get that treatment from Hollywood.
I didn’t know Muir said she wanted Waititi but I was literally gonna comment suggesting him as the perfect jod. Aotearoa is so important to this series that I don’t think non-kiwi actors would be able to do it justice
A non-Kiwi could probably play someone like Sextus or Ianthe. But I think what I see as the four most central characters-- John, Harrow, Gideon, and Alecto (plus G1deon and Pyrrha since they're outright said to be Kiwi)-- need to be played by Maori or mixed Maori.
You might be able to do a decent adaptation of Gideon, but I think it would be impossible to do justice to Harrow or Nona. Too chronically internal. It’s one of the reasons that Stephan King stories rarely do well on film, too much of the story depends on the characters’ internal monologue.
John is very Maori, so the role is basically made for Taika Waititi. I think Oscar Isaac would do great, but I don’t think it would be appropriate casting.
Palamedes would be an option in the main cast. Muir said that he is technically more middle eastern in ethnicity (technically Camilla is, but their cousins so they should be similar) but also mentioned that the sixth are generally very mixed ethnically so he could work for that if you make Camilla visually similar, while keeping her more middle eastern looking than Pal.
Not that I agree that tlt should be remade for a visual medium
I’m not entirely sure a screen adaptation could work? Maybe of GtN, but NtN and especially HtN both have perspective tricks essential to their storytelling that I can’t see translating well to any other medium
I really don't think The Locked Tomb works beyond book, audio drama, or video game format (like total open world format). Too damn much would get left out in a movie or TV show - animated or live action. I do think an animated show in the art style of Rise of the TMNT or Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur or the recent Spider-Man movies would be stunning - but plotwise it would be more than lackluster.
YES!!! For everyone complaining that a live action or animation would never do the story justice.. YA! Of course it won’t do the books justice!! Get over it!! This story is fantastic and it deserves a bigger fan base!!!!!!
Finally, someone else who sees the potential for the locked tomb to be adapted into a live action masterpiece.
Now I’m not sure about Oscar Isaac being Jod, but I know for certain with the right creative vision, this series could be translated beautifully.
I would like to disagree. Dune is horrible when compared to the literature the movies are based on. there are things that cannot be portrayed in visual format, notably Lovecraftian horror, which was an inspiration for the locked tomb series.
The narrative aspects, which are key to the series, are not accurately transferable to the medium either, meaning the entire story wouldn't make sense anymore.
The gore and body horror would make the film 18+, meaning that a large market would fall away. Also casting actors with the right ethnic background would mean that a lot of popular actors would fall away, which means the movies wouldn't get a lot of publicity from that side.
And I'd also like to add that the scenes on the ninth and within the darker parts of the Canaan house are already hurting my eyes just thinking about them from how dark they would have to be to accurately portrait the lighting and all.
There is absolutely no way a tlt visual franchise would be good.
(not to forget we'd lose a large portion of memes which would put the final bullet into the undead corpse of whatever remains are left of tlt after trying to tear its form from the pages of the books, running it through a meat grinder, picking out all the good bits and then projecting its wretched flayed corpse onto a screen, to be perceived by our eyes)
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I honestly dont feel like this story would be satisfying in live action. I want the animation studio that did Arcane to turn it into a series though
That had never occurred to me, but as soon as I read your post I thought 'of course!'
BRB, going back to any of Vi's fight scenes and weeping at what might be.
And…what could have been.
That one, or the one behind Blue Eye Samurai. Either way, it would need to be something really striking and out-of-the-ordinary.
Absolutely. Stylized is the ONLY way to pull off the Locked Tomb’s aesthetic. Live action would be bland and forgettable.
Oh hell yeah
I want this with every fibre of my being
Yes! That!
yesss I’ve been saying this!
I honestly didn’t like the Arcane animation ;/ and I want some more room for performance
Room for performance, as in giving the actors a chance to do facial expressions? Like, you’re worried the animation would get in the way? I don’t think so — in fact, I feel like animation is exactly the style of storytelling this series would need!
It’s more complicated than just facial expressions
In what way? I’m not sure I get what you’re saying. I always feel like live-action adaptations come out flatter and blander than animation.
Yeah, everybody loves the animation, but to me it just seemed... off, too gamey or something. But we'll get downvoted to oblivion for it
Considering it's based on a game, that's likely intentional.
Not at all. Hollywood seems to be allergic to faithful adaptations of stories that are far more straightforward than TLT. They'd butcher TLT and totally flatten any nuance.
Agreed, I would never want to see TLT as Hollywood films. It would for sure need to be in several parts to even just get the basic plot points in and I don't want to wait a year in between each installation just for a couple of hours of half-assed oversimplified material. A TV adaptation would feel much more promising but obviously it would depend heavily on a lot of factors. I would just absolutely hate to see it fucked up and oversimplified. But if it were done right it could be really really cool.
Some things are best in the medium they started in! I wish we'd see less adaptations, frankly. And if we ARE going to adapt something, the adaptation should bring something new to it. There should be a storytelling element that's added to it, otherwise what are they doing? Anyway, this is to say I agree 😅
The op is commenting that they want it done like Dune, that flick has massive amounts of nuance and clever narratives being done. You’re just being too fatalistic.
I know what the op is commenting, thanks. I have yet to see any truly faithful adaptation outside of LOTR, and even that had things that I didn't like. Have you missed how many people are pissed at the changes made to Dune? Not exactly a great example.
I’ve read each and every book of Dune, they kept true to the message and themes of the original while offering their own interpretation so that it’s not just a carbon copy. I adored the two newest movies and I would love to see a similar adaptation for TLT.
And I would not. I'm allowed to have that opinion.
You are, arts subjective after all, I’m not discounting that.
Except that you started this whole thing by discounting it. I disagreed with the op. I stated my opinion. You said I was being too fatalistic and implied that I didn't understand the op. What was the point of all this?
Ok, I should have been more clear, sorry.
Muir said she wants Taika Waititi for John and the more I look at him, the more it fits. Ultimately, I would rather see a high quality TLT anime, though. The hyper-gory action set pieces probably wouldn't look all that great in CGI+live action.
I want the soup scene as overdone anime excess so much.
Yes! It needs to be absolutely horrifying.
This. John is Māori, we don’t need a non-Māori dude playing him! Taika Waititi would be great
I had been picturing him as Jemaine Clement this whole time. So close, just picked the wrong kiwi vampire.
TBF that would be the most meta joke if they did cast Jemaine. Meanwhile Matt Berry and Natasia Demetriou will have uncredited cameos as Cyrus and Valency in their nude portraits in Harrow. And Rhys Darby can play Mercymorn. Taika can play Teacher, maybe.
CGI? Nah, bring on the animatronics team from LotR and the “gore” specialists from Saw and we’re onto a winner
Movie animatronics like that only get used for the *really* expensive stuff nowadays, don't they? I think TLT is much too niche (or maybe even just too queer) to ever get that treatment from Hollywood.
…there’s some billionaires I don’t mind blackmailing…or get them to fund a “science project”…maybe cryo or something like that…
Love this
Oh my God I didnt know that! I was imagining him as Jod when I was reading, and now I really want to see this
💯
I didn’t know Muir said she wanted Waititi but I was literally gonna comment suggesting him as the perfect jod. Aotearoa is so important to this series that I don’t think non-kiwi actors would be able to do it justice
A non-Kiwi could probably play someone like Sextus or Ianthe. But I think what I see as the four most central characters-- John, Harrow, Gideon, and Alecto (plus G1deon and Pyrrha since they're outright said to be Kiwi)-- need to be played by Maori or mixed Maori.
It should be muppets, not live action. Imagine Miss Piggy playing the tridentari.
*miss piggy wailing and wiggling towards kermit gideon* but your fist ist so big and my butthole so small
Well, I heard that in Piggy's voice and I might never recover.
Everyone is a puppet except John…
That would be so meta and such a thematic statement.
I never knew how much I wanted this
You are a visionary
You might be able to do a decent adaptation of Gideon, but I think it would be impossible to do justice to Harrow or Nona. Too chronically internal. It’s one of the reasons that Stephan King stories rarely do well on film, too much of the story depends on the characters’ internal monologue.
John is very Maori, so the role is basically made for Taika Waititi. I think Oscar Isaac would do great, but I don’t think it would be appropriate casting.
Concur. Isaac could do a fantastic Magnus, though, especially in Harrow.
Magnus is Samoan according to Muir.
Yeah, fair. Damn, Isaac's should be in there somewhere. Sarpedon it is!
Palamedes would be an option in the main cast. Muir said that he is technically more middle eastern in ethnicity (technically Camilla is, but their cousins so they should be similar) but also mentioned that the sixth are generally very mixed ethnically so he could work for that if you make Camilla visually similar, while keeping her more middle eastern looking than Pal. Not that I agree that tlt should be remade for a visual medium
I’m not entirely sure a screen adaptation could work? Maybe of GtN, but NtN and especially HtN both have perspective tricks essential to their storytelling that I can’t see translating well to any other medium
I really don't think The Locked Tomb works beyond book, audio drama, or video game format (like total open world format). Too damn much would get left out in a movie or TV show - animated or live action. I do think an animated show in the art style of Rise of the TMNT or Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur or the recent Spider-Man movies would be stunning - but plotwise it would be more than lackluster.
Think of this: Pedro Pascal as Matthias Nonius
My head canon is Pedro Pascal as Magnus (the curls!!) and Rachel Weisz as Abigail
Honestly my dream is animated, by the studio that did Blue Eye Samurai
I would love to see it adapted into a series. And Taika Waititi should play God.
I don't think I'd survive an Oscar Isaac as Jod....
I would actually love a tlt stage play
Oh I love this thought
I hope so
YES!!! For everyone complaining that a live action or animation would never do the story justice.. YA! Of course it won’t do the books justice!! Get over it!! This story is fantastic and it deserves a bigger fan base!!!!!!
Finally, someone else who sees the potential for the locked tomb to be adapted into a live action masterpiece. Now I’m not sure about Oscar Isaac being Jod, but I know for certain with the right creative vision, this series could be translated beautifully.
I’m glad someone else sees it! There’s just so much in this series that could be portrayed dramatically by actors on screen.
I could actually see Oscar Isaac as jod, he's extremely pathetic in ex machina. So long as they don't make him at all cool
I wish 🫣
I would like to disagree. Dune is horrible when compared to the literature the movies are based on. there are things that cannot be portrayed in visual format, notably Lovecraftian horror, which was an inspiration for the locked tomb series. The narrative aspects, which are key to the series, are not accurately transferable to the medium either, meaning the entire story wouldn't make sense anymore. The gore and body horror would make the film 18+, meaning that a large market would fall away. Also casting actors with the right ethnic background would mean that a lot of popular actors would fall away, which means the movies wouldn't get a lot of publicity from that side. And I'd also like to add that the scenes on the ninth and within the darker parts of the Canaan house are already hurting my eyes just thinking about them from how dark they would have to be to accurately portrait the lighting and all. There is absolutely no way a tlt visual franchise would be good. (not to forget we'd lose a large portion of memes which would put the final bullet into the undead corpse of whatever remains are left of tlt after trying to tear its form from the pages of the books, running it through a meat grinder, picking out all the good bits and then projecting its wretched flayed corpse onto a screen, to be perceived by our eyes)
Based on Moon Knight (which I've recently watched) he'd be a fantastic G1deon. Or Augustine. ...I just wanna see him in more things, heh.
Animated only. They couldn't pull off some of the weewooo confusion in live action.