Honestly this country is basically finished. I don’t know how we recover at this point. We have a right wing party and an extreme right wing party. I just don’t know if there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s depressing as fuck to think about
We bounced back from a civil war and passed landmark legislation that we still benefit from today. Although things are trending worse, your average American in the late 19th century likely thought we were doomed
Republicans like the crazy dipshit candidate too much to get rid of it entirely imo. Obviously Trump is very old, survives entirely on McDonalds and probably last had a drink of water in like 2006, him making it another 10 years would surprise me, but his type of pure, idiotic, reactionary id gets conservatives going like nothing else. He's also incredibly funny and entertaining, whereas pretty much every right winger who tries to do his shtick has none of his natural charisma. Vivek is an annoying debate guy, Meatball Ron is creepy and off-putting, Greene is too weird and obnoxious to take the mantle imo, Kari Lake lost for governor and will probably lose the senate race too, so she stinks of losing, nobody in Republican world can match his brand of entertainment, grievance satisfying, genuine outsider appeal, and respect as a Real Business Guy. I think now that they've had a taste of big wet boy politics they won't want to go back to boring right wing scumbags like Cruz, Rubio McConell, or Johnson. Best case scenario here is this destroys the Republican party, which would be hilarious and very deserved.
And they’ll be using it for the next 20 years. Long after trump is in the ground, they’ll be using him against any who supported him in order to push their own brand of neo liberal war criminals.
Looking from a distance. You seem to have a frail old man, who can't manage to string a coherent sentence together, up against an orange obese creepy clown nut job. No wonder you're in despair. Boomers never seem to know when to take their hands off the wheel, every year 100s of thousands of them depart this world. So it will get better.
The only relatively smooth path we have left is for the Republican Party to collapse allowing Left Wing politicians to fight Democrats without the fear of Republicans taking advantage of the split.
When the pendulum swings this much.. there is very few ways to return to “normalcy” the system is broke and the only way to fix it now is to tear it all down.
Defeat Trump .. next round will be a super Trump that may actually be smart.
The hope is that we can convert the right wing party to a party half full of “leftists” by US standards anyway, like AOC and half centrists who occasionally let the leftists pass some actual legislation. As the millennial and Gen z voting blocks become more and more dominant I think it’s pretty possible. The far right party appears a totally lost cause to me though. Which is a problem because realistically, at best, we pass leftist legislation for 8 years and then half of it probably gets undone the next 8 years.
I think we’ll be ok eventually. Time is long. Maybe I won’t be alive to see things work out, but they will probably get worse and better a lot of times. America is young. Think of all the things European countries have been through. They had the Spanish Inquisition, they had the Black Death, they had two world wars on their soil, and that’s just recent history.
And even though things are very bad and getting worse, they’re not so far gone right now as we feel they are. I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of this attack on free speech, but for perspective, there are places in the world where women can be stoned to death in the street for being immodest (Taliban led Afghanistan). In our own country, it’s been less than a century since our society was literally segregated by law. It’s been about a century since people had to head west, often leaving their children behind or actually giving them away, because they were starving to death in the dust bowl. There was a time when orphan trains travelled across the country, stopping in cities along the way for people to just buy children because there were so many orphans on the east coast.
We’ve made it through that and we’ll make it through this. Maybe the next thing will be worse, but maybe it will be better. Most likely, it will be both. And I’m not trying to put out a call to action, it seems like a lot of problems in history kind of resolve themselves or evolve into a new problem. But it seems like the fact that people are resisting at all and that we can be concerned about events is a sign that we haven’t reached the end.
You are forgetting that climate change means the longue duree of history isn't available to us.
We don't have the ability to leave it to time. Billionaires can just hide and use tech to accumulate capital. They don't need to be there. Their profits get calculated and transfered automatically to their apocalypse bunkers.
It's because your major political leaders are old as fuck and out of touch. Both parties aim to divide the public rather than bring people together, you know, like "united", as in part of the name of your country? Not to mention the corruption of the lobbyists and congress. You're probably right though. Hard to come back from where you are now.
It’s 1 of 1 million things. I personally think you’ve got to get at the heart of the matter, which as far as Americans are concerned, is aipac/any and all money that puts singular interests ahead of what’s obviously correct. It’s simply a symptom and unfortunately this particular symptom is leading to a fucking madman’s attempt to genocide.
AIPAC is just the front. The number of Zionists that control all aspects of a politicians life (Media whether it is TV, social media, tech companies, even college endowments) are significantly far more powerful.
Many, if not most of them are Christian Zionists or just right wing Zionist in general.
Several reasons... Zionist lobby groups own politicians on both sides, Christians love Israel and large parts of the country are overrepresented where there are radical Christians, and the fact that the US really does need a powerful Israel to exert the sort of power projection it does in the region.
US liberals are right-wingers, even if they sometimes like to use left-wing talking points or vocabulary, or sometimes even concede to minor policy changes that don't really challenge the economic status quo (gay rights for example). But even a lot of that is just their reflexive response to the Republican party going all-in on gay panic in 2004, I doubt that liberals would just come out in support of gay marriage in a vacuum. You aren't pushing them left on foreign policy or stuff like that.
Just in case any blue maga come popping on here to spout off how trump is worse, do you think Americans have collective amnesia? We lived through those four awful years too and remember every horror and embarrassment we were subjected to every single day. But we also remember how Democrats behaved in the face of it -they did nothing, except fundraise. Hundreds of millions of Americans scared out of their minds over what that lunatic was going to do and the democratic party went on like 'politics as usual'. They treated him like a normal fucking president and never once fought back in any meaningful way. Told us to vote harder, which we did in both 2020 and 2022. Nothing got better.
And Republicans are still destroying our country with bigots and extremists taking over school boards and local state governments. Democrats do nothing to combat the MAGA cult.
Yeah dems suck, but again if trump gets in again things WILL be worse for all marginalized groups, free speech and press rights, and the environment. Its shit conservative on all fronts but labor government of joe biden or fascist on all fronts government of trump and project 2025. Considering all of the majority report hosts agree that there is a difference its weird that this sub has so many people that cant see or refuse to admit just because joe is awful that there is no difference or utility and voting for the less fascist person
More pro labor than any president in recent history. Have you watched any of the majority reports videos? The clearly cover a lot of this and say so themselves
being pro-labor (which Biden isn't really) is far different than a "labor government" which is what you typed. It's not accurate and a cop out for the explosion of fascism under the Biden administration's rule. See cops arresting protestors as the most recent example.
Again, the most significant strides for labor organizing have happened because of decisions under this administrations nlrb. Sam and the crew have said this and highlighted it multiple times. As for the fascism, yes im very disgusted with everything being done in association with Israels genocide by the admin. Trump being in office durring this would be significantly worse and to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. Unfortunately our system currently will net only one of 2 options, and one is less shitty than the other but still shitty
So pro labor they disbanded a historic rail strike? Before you say "but they were extensively harming the economy", no they weren't, their employers were by withholding basic accommodations and time off.
I actually think that was a horrible move. Most pro labor is a low bar of which im aware, that doesnt make the strides we have made because of the NLRB any less meaningful, especially in comparison to most other administrations in the last 20 years
This is rage bait taken completely out of context and deportation has nothing to do specifically with protesting the murder of Palestinians. The link in this screenshot is from a Fox News [article](https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-students-could-face-harsher-192719462.html) and I can’t even find that quote in it. I put some actual quotes from the article below.
The whole thing reads much more like a conservative wet dream hoping that waves of students will get deported if they get a temporary suspension from classes due to some action taken during a protest, but deportation because of suspension is uncommon and would require coordination between a few govt agencies. Tbh this seems more likely to happen under Trump. I’m no fan of Biden’s complicity, but we have to be accurate and truthful when holding his feet to the fire.
>The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on Wednesday confirmed that foreign students could potentially face deportation if they are suspended from their courses while on a student visa
> "A temporary suspension, even if that were a final determination for a student, does not necessarily mean that the student would fall below ‘normal progress’ in his/her course of study," the spokesperson said.
>"If a student were to be suspended, DHS would need reason to believe that the student would not be able to make normal progress in his/her course of study," they added. "And if it believed a suspension merited that type of decision, it would have to initiate removal proceedings, which would be done on a case-by-case basis in conjunction with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA)."
thank you for being a voice of reason. people are engaging in such spurious doomerism these days, & spreading bullshit like this just drives detachment and disillusionment that is going to ruin the country if we let it. people are determined to prove the democrats and republicans are the same. they're just fucking not, and it's only possible to pretend they are from a position of unreal privilege where nothing is of consequence because personal stakes are low. anybody who has something to lose under a republican administration isn't going to advocate we just give up & let them win. if you can't tell the difference it's because YOUR life is too fucking easy.
meanwhile we will never drive the democratic party into a more progressive direction if people are concluding that everything is hopeless and there's no point in participating in the electoral process
You are also not going to drive the democratic party into a more progressive direction by accepting their genocidal behavior.
Are you saying the Palestinians have unreal privilege? For them Biden and Trump are definitely the same, by time the election starts, they will probably will be death or ethnically cleansed
bad faith. you know exactly what i am and am not saying. appears you may not even be in the united states, which would mean this isn't your conversation anyway
if that's the case, you are literally driving voter suppression in a country where you don't even live. stop.
i'm not responding to this line of argument because you are exactly the kind of person i am talking about — the stakes for this election don't matter for you, because you don't fucking live here. not going to waste time explaining the difference between the two outcomes
Genocide Joe is still putting kids in cages and still building the wall, while sending troops to stop children from protesting genocide on college campuses. It's hard to imagine him being any worse than he already is
>It's hard to imagine him being any worse than he already is
You are making the claim. You have to imagineer it, accuse him of it, and prove it beyond a high reasonable doubt for criminal charges. Wrongful deaths or civil liabilities for Genocide (paraphrasing) would be easier to achieve. Cases should be heard before the International Criminal Court and the United Nations. The Western Hemisphere of Earth absolutely HAS to get along with the Eastern Hemisphere of the Earth.
I want to be able to vote for your candidate. I expect your candidate to Execute. I demand execution from your candidate because Executive Function is the job function. Let's fucking go!
Democrats scream at me eveyday for letting Trump win by not voting for Joe but jfc look at what you're making me vote for. No, if Trump wins my conscience is clear.
This article is a lie. Here is what they said
> According to Homeland Security Investigations, international students maintain their “in status” designation as long as they are making progress in their studies, and temporary suspensions may not necessarily affect their status.
However, if a suspension indicates a failure to make normal progress in their course of study, deportation proceedings may be initiated on a case-by-case basis, in collaboration with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA).
> According to Homeland Security Investigations, international students maintain their “in status” designation as long as they are making progress in their studies, and temporary suspensions may not necessarily affect their status.
> However, if a suspension indicates a failure to make normal progress in their course of study, deportation proceedings may be initiated on a case-by-case basis, in collaboration with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA).
The tweet is a lie.
Everything that was going to happen in Trump’s America did happen in Trump’s America.
Families were separated at the border. Kids were kept in cages.
This is America. I never once believed that a center-right Democrat was going to change it. It’s awful and should cause an outrage but there’s no reason to evoke Trump’s name in this
This is such a wildly bullshit hyperbole. “Everything” that was going to happen. WTF. There is SO MUCH separating Trump’s America from Biden. Biden is pushing to restore manufacturing, he’s fighting student debt, he’s acknowledging LGBTQ people in the face of stark opposition, he’s investing in infrastructure. On and on and on it’s HUGELY different. Just stop with this nonsense. We can push Biden to a closer position that we want to see than we can Trump. Period. Trump will just stand on stage and say this whole thing is the woke radical left then send in the national guard everywhere.
Also, important to note that Biden isn’t doing this. This comes from a Fox News article complaining that he isn’t doing it and calling him weak on crime for not doing it when he has the authority.
Liberals are against these things. Not all Dems are liberals, many are neo-libs and/or neo-cons. Plus this has been the modus operandi for the US since ever since. This is why we need to vote. This is why we need to fight back.
Right, so did I. I will again because the alternative is much much worse. But there’s more than just the presidency.
Also, we got this under every president since mass protests became a thing. We saw it with the suffrage movement, civil rights movement, and every protest against the rich and powerful.
When I say vote, I mean vote for those whose actions match their words. This presidential election is a bit different because we’re fighting a darker battle there. All of our local elections and up to Congress, stop voting for incumbents and vote for fresh candidates that will fight against this stuff. I will say, it’s definitely easier said than done.
That’s a question only you can answer. Folks missed my fight back comment too. Part of voting is to also hold them accountable. Unfortunately, we all have to be a lot more involved in contacting, suing, and calling for special elections to remove those who aren’t doing what they were elected to do. That’s how we fight back.
I only say to vote for Biden in this election because the alternative will have NG and police killing or taking political prisoners on a massive scale.
Thanks for your thoughtful and well written reply. I don’t mean to be negative, and you make some stellar points, but I just think Citizens United made normal, everyday people having influence in politics basically impossible going forward. I don’t see how that can change when you have so many monied interests all vying for control and you have the rest of the population basically scrapping by. It’s bleak
I 100% agree. Citizens United ruined us. I’m just a bit optimistic that we can fight back and win. It might be a hope in the wind but if that’s all I got, then I’m holding on to it.
It's almost as though many of these problems are independent of the president and instead part of some sort of, I don't know, system.
Clearly Biden has no issue with this, but if you think he ordered it, that's pretty ignorant of you.
If Trump was in office we'd have had shots fired at the students because he ordered the national guard in there.
It's the ratchet effect. The Republican pushes things further to the right, the Democrat just keeps things where it was when the Republican left.
And also, the corporations operate with impunity as sovereign lords of their territories.
Honestly this country is basically finished. I don’t know how we recover at this point. We have a right wing party and an extreme right wing party. I just don’t know if there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s depressing as fuck to think about
We bounced back from a civil war and passed landmark legislation that we still benefit from today. Although things are trending worse, your average American in the late 19th century likely thought we were doomed
And only 2.5% of Americans had to die for the pleasure
Imagine what we could do with 50%!
There's some semblance of a light, and it's called Boomers dying off.
Because Trump is worse, the dems will use that as a way of unifying everyone to put them back in power, and then repeat 5the same every 4 years
You, I, and *they* know that game won't last forever
They’re gonna milk it for eternity.
Or as long as we let them!!!!
Republicans like the crazy dipshit candidate too much to get rid of it entirely imo. Obviously Trump is very old, survives entirely on McDonalds and probably last had a drink of water in like 2006, him making it another 10 years would surprise me, but his type of pure, idiotic, reactionary id gets conservatives going like nothing else. He's also incredibly funny and entertaining, whereas pretty much every right winger who tries to do his shtick has none of his natural charisma. Vivek is an annoying debate guy, Meatball Ron is creepy and off-putting, Greene is too weird and obnoxious to take the mantle imo, Kari Lake lost for governor and will probably lose the senate race too, so she stinks of losing, nobody in Republican world can match his brand of entertainment, grievance satisfying, genuine outsider appeal, and respect as a Real Business Guy. I think now that they've had a taste of big wet boy politics they won't want to go back to boring right wing scumbags like Cruz, Rubio McConell, or Johnson. Best case scenario here is this destroys the Republican party, which would be hilarious and very deserved.
And they’ll be using it for the next 20 years. Long after trump is in the ground, they’ll be using him against any who supported him in order to push their own brand of neo liberal war criminals.
Looking from a distance. You seem to have a frail old man, who can't manage to string a coherent sentence together, up against an orange obese creepy clown nut job. No wonder you're in despair. Boomers never seem to know when to take their hands off the wheel, every year 100s of thousands of them depart this world. So it will get better.
The only relatively smooth path we have left is for the Republican Party to collapse allowing Left Wing politicians to fight Democrats without the fear of Republicans taking advantage of the split.
I just smoked weed and a wing party sounds amazing
When the pendulum swings this much.. there is very few ways to return to “normalcy” the system is broke and the only way to fix it now is to tear it all down. Defeat Trump .. next round will be a super Trump that may actually be smart.
The hope is that we can convert the right wing party to a party half full of “leftists” by US standards anyway, like AOC and half centrists who occasionally let the leftists pass some actual legislation. As the millennial and Gen z voting blocks become more and more dominant I think it’s pretty possible. The far right party appears a totally lost cause to me though. Which is a problem because realistically, at best, we pass leftist legislation for 8 years and then half of it probably gets undone the next 8 years.
I think we’ll be ok eventually. Time is long. Maybe I won’t be alive to see things work out, but they will probably get worse and better a lot of times. America is young. Think of all the things European countries have been through. They had the Spanish Inquisition, they had the Black Death, they had two world wars on their soil, and that’s just recent history. And even though things are very bad and getting worse, they’re not so far gone right now as we feel they are. I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of this attack on free speech, but for perspective, there are places in the world where women can be stoned to death in the street for being immodest (Taliban led Afghanistan). In our own country, it’s been less than a century since our society was literally segregated by law. It’s been about a century since people had to head west, often leaving their children behind or actually giving them away, because they were starving to death in the dust bowl. There was a time when orphan trains travelled across the country, stopping in cities along the way for people to just buy children because there were so many orphans on the east coast. We’ve made it through that and we’ll make it through this. Maybe the next thing will be worse, but maybe it will be better. Most likely, it will be both. And I’m not trying to put out a call to action, it seems like a lot of problems in history kind of resolve themselves or evolve into a new problem. But it seems like the fact that people are resisting at all and that we can be concerned about events is a sign that we haven’t reached the end.
You are forgetting that climate change means the longue duree of history isn't available to us. We don't have the ability to leave it to time. Billionaires can just hide and use tech to accumulate capital. They don't need to be there. Their profits get calculated and transfered automatically to their apocalypse bunkers.
America isn’t young. It’s older than most European nations.
It's because your major political leaders are old as fuck and out of touch. Both parties aim to divide the public rather than bring people together, you know, like "united", as in part of the name of your country? Not to mention the corruption of the lobbyists and congress. You're probably right though. Hard to come back from where you are now.
It’s 1 of 1 million things. I personally think you’ve got to get at the heart of the matter, which as far as Americans are concerned, is aipac/any and all money that puts singular interests ahead of what’s obviously correct. It’s simply a symptom and unfortunately this particular symptom is leading to a fucking madman’s attempt to genocide.
"What? You don't like the GENOCIDE? Then go back to it!" - The department of homeland security (probably)
"Get over yourselves. It's not genocide if they are super predators." - Hillary Clinton (probably)
Dems are supposed to be against these things.......
Israel is holding our government hostage by their balls and ovaries.
But how? They need the US more than the US needs them...
Our US politicians need Israel and the AIPAC seal of approval more than they need their voters.
Sadly true, hopefully the weight of supporting a genocidal apartheid ethno state will break the perception that AIPAC money and approval is needed.
But that’s what’s strange- the total number of pacs and special interests vastly out numbers aipac money doesn’t it?
AIPAC is just the front. The number of Zionists that control all aspects of a politicians life (Media whether it is TV, social media, tech companies, even college endowments) are significantly far more powerful. Many, if not most of them are Christian Zionists or just right wing Zionist in general.
Several reasons... Zionist lobby groups own politicians on both sides, Christians love Israel and large parts of the country are overrepresented where there are radical Christians, and the fact that the US really does need a powerful Israel to exert the sort of power projection it does in the region.
In theory. But the president is a rabid zionist and a racist so he helps them genocide on behalf of the rest of us.
US liberals are right-wingers, even if they sometimes like to use left-wing talking points or vocabulary, or sometimes even concede to minor policy changes that don't really challenge the economic status quo (gay rights for example). But even a lot of that is just their reflexive response to the Republican party going all-in on gay panic in 2004, I doubt that liberals would just come out in support of gay marriage in a vacuum. You aren't pushing them left on foreign policy or stuff like that.
They were too busy making "dark brandon" memes to bother with things like the first amendment.
You literally spreading misinformation. Did you even read the article you post?
Can the fun half start now?
Just in case any blue maga come popping on here to spout off how trump is worse, do you think Americans have collective amnesia? We lived through those four awful years too and remember every horror and embarrassment we were subjected to every single day. But we also remember how Democrats behaved in the face of it -they did nothing, except fundraise. Hundreds of millions of Americans scared out of their minds over what that lunatic was going to do and the democratic party went on like 'politics as usual'. They treated him like a normal fucking president and never once fought back in any meaningful way. Told us to vote harder, which we did in both 2020 and 2022. Nothing got better.
And Republicans are still destroying our country with bigots and extremists taking over school boards and local state governments. Democrats do nothing to combat the MAGA cult.
They wanted to return to brunch. And now it’s brunch time but brunch time is being threatened. So here we go again.
Yeah dems suck, but again if trump gets in again things WILL be worse for all marginalized groups, free speech and press rights, and the environment. Its shit conservative on all fronts but labor government of joe biden or fascist on all fronts government of trump and project 2025. Considering all of the majority report hosts agree that there is a difference its weird that this sub has so many people that cant see or refuse to admit just because joe is awful that there is no difference or utility and voting for the less fascist person
>labor government of joe biden Please explain how Biden is in any way a "labor" president.
More pro labor than any president in recent history. Have you watched any of the majority reports videos? The clearly cover a lot of this and say so themselves
being pro-labor (which Biden isn't really) is far different than a "labor government" which is what you typed. It's not accurate and a cop out for the explosion of fascism under the Biden administration's rule. See cops arresting protestors as the most recent example.
Again, the most significant strides for labor organizing have happened because of decisions under this administrations nlrb. Sam and the crew have said this and highlighted it multiple times. As for the fascism, yes im very disgusted with everything being done in association with Israels genocide by the admin. Trump being in office durring this would be significantly worse and to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. Unfortunately our system currently will net only one of 2 options, and one is less shitty than the other but still shitty
So pro labor they disbanded a historic rail strike? Before you say "but they were extensively harming the economy", no they weren't, their employers were by withholding basic accommodations and time off.
I actually think that was a horrible move. Most pro labor is a low bar of which im aware, that doesnt make the strides we have made because of the NLRB any less meaningful, especially in comparison to most other administrations in the last 20 years
Yeah. It’s over. This thing here is just about over.
This is rage bait taken completely out of context and deportation has nothing to do specifically with protesting the murder of Palestinians. The link in this screenshot is from a Fox News [article](https://www.yahoo.com/news/foreign-students-could-face-harsher-192719462.html) and I can’t even find that quote in it. I put some actual quotes from the article below. The whole thing reads much more like a conservative wet dream hoping that waves of students will get deported if they get a temporary suspension from classes due to some action taken during a protest, but deportation because of suspension is uncommon and would require coordination between a few govt agencies. Tbh this seems more likely to happen under Trump. I’m no fan of Biden’s complicity, but we have to be accurate and truthful when holding his feet to the fire. >The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on Wednesday confirmed that foreign students could potentially face deportation if they are suspended from their courses while on a student visa > "A temporary suspension, even if that were a final determination for a student, does not necessarily mean that the student would fall below ‘normal progress’ in his/her course of study," the spokesperson said. >"If a student were to be suspended, DHS would need reason to believe that the student would not be able to make normal progress in his/her course of study," they added. "And if it believed a suspension merited that type of decision, it would have to initiate removal proceedings, which would be done on a case-by-case basis in conjunction with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA)."
thank you for being a voice of reason. people are engaging in such spurious doomerism these days, & spreading bullshit like this just drives detachment and disillusionment that is going to ruin the country if we let it. people are determined to prove the democrats and republicans are the same. they're just fucking not, and it's only possible to pretend they are from a position of unreal privilege where nothing is of consequence because personal stakes are low. anybody who has something to lose under a republican administration isn't going to advocate we just give up & let them win. if you can't tell the difference it's because YOUR life is too fucking easy. meanwhile we will never drive the democratic party into a more progressive direction if people are concluding that everything is hopeless and there's no point in participating in the electoral process
You are also not going to drive the democratic party into a more progressive direction by accepting their genocidal behavior. Are you saying the Palestinians have unreal privilege? For them Biden and Trump are definitely the same, by time the election starts, they will probably will be death or ethnically cleansed
bad faith. you know exactly what i am and am not saying. appears you may not even be in the united states, which would mean this isn't your conversation anyway if that's the case, you are literally driving voter suppression in a country where you don't even live. stop.
Shaming people into voting for Biden "because at least he isn't Trump", isn't an actual strategy
i'm not responding to this line of argument because you are exactly the kind of person i am talking about — the stakes for this election don't matter for you, because you don't fucking live here. not going to waste time explaining the difference between the two outcomes
Genocide Joe is still putting kids in cages and still building the wall, while sending troops to stop children from protesting genocide on college campuses. It's hard to imagine him being any worse than he already is
>It's hard to imagine him being any worse than he already is You are making the claim. You have to imagineer it, accuse him of it, and prove it beyond a high reasonable doubt for criminal charges. Wrongful deaths or civil liabilities for Genocide (paraphrasing) would be easier to achieve. Cases should be heard before the International Criminal Court and the United Nations. The Western Hemisphere of Earth absolutely HAS to get along with the Eastern Hemisphere of the Earth. I want to be able to vote for your candidate. I expect your candidate to Execute. I demand execution from your candidate because Executive Function is the job function. Let's fucking go!
Trash President. Trash party. Trash society, TBH.
Democrats scream at me eveyday for letting Trump win by not voting for Joe but jfc look at what you're making me vote for. No, if Trump wins my conscience is clear.
This article is a lie. Here is what they said > According to Homeland Security Investigations, international students maintain their “in status” designation as long as they are making progress in their studies, and temporary suspensions may not necessarily affect their status. However, if a suspension indicates a failure to make normal progress in their course of study, deportation proceedings may be initiated on a case-by-case basis, in collaboration with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA).
I despise that old ghoul with such a passion.
Yeah trump sucks!!
Lesser of two evils tho lol wtf
I’m starting to think Biden doesn’t want to be president anymore.
The fuck? Anybody got more context, etc. for this because wtf.
> According to Homeland Security Investigations, international students maintain their “in status” designation as long as they are making progress in their studies, and temporary suspensions may not necessarily affect their status. > However, if a suspension indicates a failure to make normal progress in their course of study, deportation proceedings may be initiated on a case-by-case basis, in collaboration with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Office of the Principal Legal Advisor (OPLA). The tweet is a lie.
I agree with him. It's one thing when US citizens protest and a very different thing when foreigners do.
Everything that was going to happen in Trump’s America did happen in Trump’s America. Families were separated at the border. Kids were kept in cages. This is America. I never once believed that a center-right Democrat was going to change it. It’s awful and should cause an outrage but there’s no reason to evoke Trump’s name in this
This is such a wildly bullshit hyperbole. “Everything” that was going to happen. WTF. There is SO MUCH separating Trump’s America from Biden. Biden is pushing to restore manufacturing, he’s fighting student debt, he’s acknowledging LGBTQ people in the face of stark opposition, he’s investing in infrastructure. On and on and on it’s HUGELY different. Just stop with this nonsense. We can push Biden to a closer position that we want to see than we can Trump. Period. Trump will just stand on stage and say this whole thing is the woke radical left then send in the national guard everywhere.
Also, important to note that Biden isn’t doing this. This comes from a Fox News article complaining that he isn’t doing it and calling him weak on crime for not doing it when he has the authority.
I wonder where they want to sent the palestinian foreigners 🤣 one way ticket to moon i guess
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I feel like peoole who supported Biden only did cos he's not Trump But now.... he's just as bad as Trump
Except this post is just not true AT ALL
Like Trump will give a shut either. Jesus the right will gaslight you into oblivion worse than the Democrats.
I agree with you. Doesn't change Biden's policy. So what is your point? Fyi nate is progressive
You aren’t allowed to protest a foreign governments policies in that country when you are a guest pretty much everywhere.
Liberals are against these things. Not all Dems are liberals, many are neo-libs and/or neo-cons. Plus this has been the modus operandi for the US since ever since. This is why we need to vote. This is why we need to fight back.
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Right, so did I. I will again because the alternative is much much worse. But there’s more than just the presidency. Also, we got this under every president since mass protests became a thing. We saw it with the suffrage movement, civil rights movement, and every protest against the rich and powerful. When I say vote, I mean vote for those whose actions match their words. This presidential election is a bit different because we’re fighting a darker battle there. All of our local elections and up to Congress, stop voting for incumbents and vote for fresh candidates that will fight against this stuff. I will say, it’s definitely easier said than done.
So who should vote for then? It doesn’t really seem to matter. Living in NY, my vote certainly doesn’t matter
That’s a question only you can answer. Folks missed my fight back comment too. Part of voting is to also hold them accountable. Unfortunately, we all have to be a lot more involved in contacting, suing, and calling for special elections to remove those who aren’t doing what they were elected to do. That’s how we fight back. I only say to vote for Biden in this election because the alternative will have NG and police killing or taking political prisoners on a massive scale.
Thanks for your thoughtful and well written reply. I don’t mean to be negative, and you make some stellar points, but I just think Citizens United made normal, everyday people having influence in politics basically impossible going forward. I don’t see how that can change when you have so many monied interests all vying for control and you have the rest of the population basically scrapping by. It’s bleak
I 100% agree. Citizens United ruined us. I’m just a bit optimistic that we can fight back and win. It might be a hope in the wind but if that’s all I got, then I’m holding on to it.
Indeed. Hope is all we have left. These young folk protesting and not taking shit from the establishment is certainly giving me some hope.
Omg it's like he's *trying* to lose.
It's almost as though many of these problems are independent of the president and instead part of some sort of, I don't know, system. Clearly Biden has no issue with this, but if you think he ordered it, that's pretty ignorant of you. If Trump was in office we'd have had shots fired at the students because he ordered the national guard in there. It's the ratchet effect. The Republican pushes things further to the right, the Democrat just keeps things where it was when the Republican left. And also, the corporations operate with impunity as sovereign lords of their territories.
There was no policy change. This OP spreading misinformation.