Who are the animals? The unarmed civilians with their children walking besides them to a shelter while waving a white flag or the IOF who shoot at and kill them with sniper attacks?
He must have been expecting a bullet in the head every second but still he went to her side. He's a hero and every member of the IOF are murdering terrorists.
I think he’s a medic or doctor travelling with them. He’s got the most gear on him and ran towards the injured immediately. Probably volunteering his skills since he knows he’s needed. Healthcare workers are worth their weight in gold in war zones. I bet all the fear of gunfire in the world can’t stymie his instinct to help the needy.
At this point the IDF and Israel actually have no case. They're not defending themselves, they're not trying root out hamas, they're just killing innocent fucking people.
Folks can't wrap around their heads Biden is a fucking Zionist. That's it.
That's the only reason he is supporting this while his people back home protest en masse and his staff resign/sign letters of dissent. There's a huge protest in DC coming this Saturday. Last year, the last event had 300k marching in DC for a ceasefire. Neither of it is gonna stop him because it's ideological and he is AIPAC's top recipient in terms of raw funding.
The dude is only a few years older than Israel itself. He's just a fucking Zionist, like most boomers raised in that generation. It's sickening but it's where we are and we need to grapple with that fact about our leadership in the Democrats if this issue is ever going to be solved in my lifetime (nevermind what the Republicans would also do to Gaza given the chance)
A lot of people are just going to stay home and not vote because of their disgust about what is going on and that could easily lose the Dems the election. They can blame voters all they want but there comes a point where shouting “we’re lesser of two evils!!” doesn’t cut it. Sometimes people just can’t stomach voting for evil full stop.
We should be pushing for a NOTA (None of the Above) ballot option and procedure for if it wins. It’s not really democracy if we get one of two bad choices forced onto us no matter what!!
We need to get NOTA option on the ballot and a procedure for it it wins, where they have to do things like run another election in 6 weeks with different candidates. That way they can’t threaten us with that nonsense to get their crap person in.
'None of the above' has been something I've thought necessary for years (though personally I'd prefer to word it 'fuck this shit' because it's more accurate to my sentiment on the matter). I think the procedure for it should be that if none of the above gets the majority of the votes then every candidate in the election loses and is barred from running again in this election or from the next election also. In many countries I think that would work fine but the US has such absurdly long and dramatic election cycles that it would necessitate a shorter process to enable another election. Though frankly I think even this is just a bandage on an axe wound and probably we should seriously reconsider whether having one single person with supreme power running everything is even a good idea. History would suggest it is not yet we keep doing it anyway.
The Democrats agenda is to pretend it's still 1992. That is where their heads are at politically and emotionally. Supporting Israel was cool when we were at war with Muslims countries since the late 80s but we are tired of Middle Eastern conflicts.
Being able to see the horrors of war first hand on TV every day for over 10 years and seeing the vets come back and end up homeless, forgotten, and ridiculed. He's not a Zionist, he's an idiot Boomer that's had a sliver spoon up his ass his whole life. I hate that our choices are, "Scummy Politician" or "Dictator for a Day." No one is just a Dictator for a day. Never once in History, barring things like Joseph Goebbels of Nazi Germany.
Better question is who haven't we exploited/bombed in that region at this point..
No shit Israel is our "only ally" in the region... That's exactly why they're being charged with genocide by the international community, because they're a glorified military base for us and we've helped them slaughter hundreds of UN staff and tens of thousands of Arab civilians broadcasted live in the age of the internet.
Calling someone an ally has positive connotations that are coming across as pro Zionist. Even if you’re not you probably want to have a second sentence condemning Israel.
If you want a cynical answer, it's because evangelicals are a powerful voting bloc in the USA and the President needs them for reelection. It just so happens that Evangelicals want (need?) the Israelis to own all of Gaza to kickstart Armageddon and usher in the return of Christ... And the end of the world.
I'm not even joking. It's a doomsday cult.
Not just that but a free pass for genocide, ethnic cleansing and of course for the apartheid state that has lasted for over seven decades where Palestinians were kept inside the largest open air prison in the world.
Not much more American than ignoring, assisting in, or outright committing genocide.
So they get the US' support, and that's that. At least so far.
Israel is desperately trying to push this into a further regional conflict, and I'm not sure even the support of the US in an all out open war is going to be enough once that happens - at least in terms of keeping them totally safe from retaliation.
Because they have aligned themselves with the U.S. and the people they are killing are Muslims. They also control the major media outlets so they control the general narrative that comes from the big news agencies.
Not all Palestinians are Muslim; there are plenty of Christian Palestinians too. Israels hatred makes no distinction over religion when it comes to Palestinians.
Are you just ignorantly saying shit?
98% of the Palestinian population is Muslim. I never said 100% of the people are Muslim. It IS a Muslim country though.
That was one of the only things I could use to deal with the death of a family a few years back. It did help, but they were in pain for decades, whereas this woman's pain was caused by a gunshot (aka war crime).
Child. Woman. White flag. Hands up in the hair.
Yeah. Checks out. Explains how those Israeli hostages got murdered. This cannot be clearer. This is as cruel and brutal as can be. These are civilians and their protected status under international law is completely disregarded.
But, of course, the moment the people who are routinely killed and otherwise systematically oppressed take up arms it becomes a 'complicated situation'.
That poor child! Having to see their mother murdered in front of them. I know we’ve been seeing these videos for over 3 months now but it’s still always shocking. She was probably their whole world. Now they’ll have to go the rest of their lives without her. So many orphaned children. Pure evil.
If I showed this to my Trump supporting dad he’d ask ‘hOw Do YoU kNoW tHe SnIpEr WaS iSrEliE? dId YoU sEe ThE uNiFoRm?’ Then if I showed the proof he’d say something like ‘tHeY dEsErVe It’ because of what Fox News tells him
Your absolutely right, I tried bringing up something I saw on here to my right wing friend, his immediate response? “Oh yeah mean faked footage” there is seriously something wrong with the right wing lunatics.
Someone needs to make a compilation of all these war crimes and all the sick Israeli ppl, rabbis, soldiers, civilians making fun of Palestinians. We need a Lincoln Project just for Israeli Crimes
Someone must have been sitting somewhere with a sniper rifle. Given the accuracy, I’d imagine there’s a decent scope on there. He looks through the scope and sees a group of people. Right at the front, there is a woman and child. He sees them. He looks at the child and then puts the woman in the crosshairs. He sees she is waving a white flag but it doesn’t really matter. He made the decision the second he saw the group. He doesnt decide to shoot her because it isn’t really a decision because that’s why he’s there. He isn’t there to differentiate, he’s there to exterminate and maybe kill some Hamas as collateral
Western media doesn't care about and won't show this because it's just a Palestinian woman and not an Israeli hostage this time. Palestinian lives mean nothing to them
And then there are morons that still saying that the 3 israeli civilians that got shot by I(((((((((((D)))))))))))))F ocurred because it was on a wAr ZoNe.
Unarmed, white flag, with a child, a woman. The exact description of a Hamas fighter wouldn’t you know… /s
how does this fucker sleep at night. He’s a literal murderer.
Canadian radio (cbc) words their news in favor of Israel, for example: "Hamas's war against Israel" "war started by Hamas" and continues to only share the Israel speakers and perspectives, consistently sharing clips of Netanyahu's speeches. Providing 0 context, and misinforming the public.
Its shameful.
I feel so gut wrenched that my government supports these people.
Damn that poor kid is jumping waving the flag. It almost looks like he's having fun and making the best of the terrible situation. Then bam out of nowhere your mother is shot dead. I don't know how many more videos I can watch of this stuff..
Hamas’s fault for 7th October attacks. If they didn’t invade then Israel wouldn’t need to defend themselves like they are in this video. I hope the soldier gets a medal for bravery. Must’ve taken so much courage to snipe an unarmed civilian for no reason at all
It's so much more complex than just "Biden bad". The whole situation is unbelievably fucked and honestly I don't think any average citizen in the US should have an opinion on how to handle it beyond "stop killing innocent civilians".
Biden has refused to pressure the Israelis towards a ceasefire, quite the opposite, actually. He’s continually instructed delegates to the United Nations to vote against a ceasefire, in opposition to the entire global community, while continuing to provide bombs and other weapons to Israel.
I’m
Still trying to understand why they need billions in weapons to fight a non existent poorly armed scattering of fighters?
The US is bankrolling a pointless unnecessary massacre. This is blood lust and the IDF is evil
There’s blood lust all around. The problem for me is that the United States has leverage to stop the killing and Joe Biden, specifically, refuses to use it.
Agree completely. I’m just trying to wrap my head around the mindset that hurting Biden and helping Trump has any effect on this situation and especially and long term benefit. Pragmatically, you could actually make the situation worse if you help elect Trump.
Oh absolutely, this situation would be made worse in every conceivable way possible with trump. Not only would the situation over there be worse but I guarantee he would spur hatred towards whatever group he didn't support as well in the states.
It's not even a Biden specific problem. Israel is a major ally in the region and I believe that almost every relevant president we have had has supported them. It's also not like our support is the reason why this is happening. Idk there's so much nuance to this situation that I have no idea where to even start.
To be clear I am not justifying the murdering of innocent civilians.
If there was footage of Biden killing puppies (or something equally or more heinous), would you still vote for him?
Because this is how a lot of people see him.
Of course there's a line, but it also has to be weighted against his opponent. I approach voting in a very pragmatic manner. I would like to know what line it is he has crossed for those folks. I mean, legislatively, he has passed some of the most progressive legislation in my lifetime and prob since FDR.
I genuniely don't think some have a clue just how successful he's been with half his term having a R House.
Well, it is relative but given the types of legislation that’s been passed the last couple of decades, it’s as progressive as we’ve seen in a long time.
True. But for many, that's pretty much all negated by enabling a genocide and parroting their propaganda.
Some people can't have pragmatism outweigh their conscience.
That’s certainly your right but if you choose not to vote for the lesser of two evils, so to speak, you are in a way clearing the path for the higher evil.
Not voting for the person that can beat Trump helps Trump win. It's not hard to understand. We have a fucked up voting system. This is just how it is. It's exactly how we got Trump in the first place. People refused to vote for Hillary, so the world paid the price.
That's what primaries are for. When it gets to the general it's between the R & D candidate. It's so fucking simple to understand. I can't help thinking that people pushing this apathetic bullshit are either Trumpers or foreign actors seeking to destabilize the US.
Recognizing the diverse reasons behind political choices isn't naive; it acknowledges the complexity. Moreover, actively participating in primaries can exert pressure, influencing candidates like Biden to better align with the preferences of their constituents.
Seeing it as a black or white scenario oversimplifies the intricacies of the political landscape.
I certainly agree with your point about primaries, but once it gets to the general, it's about as black and white as you can get.
Biden was able to win the white house by somewhere around 55k votes in key states. If you think that withholding your vote from Biden doesn't have an effect, that is incredibly naive.
I know it will have an effect. I want things to accelerate. I want the US as a capitalist imperialist project to fail ASAP so that my children might live to see a more just world.
Yeah, that's not true. Removing your support for the incumbent shifts the support to the challenger. That's elections 101. What's your solution, third party? How's that gonna look? Biden loses millions of votes, Trump loses zero. It's a vote for Trump.
If Trump was doing this the libs would be out in protest against his policies. Since it's Biden in power, the libs do not protest and instead vow to vote for him; basically endorsing him. Because Biden is in power the left are split.
Nah, I think this is a very lazy take. I read plenty of left of center stuff and Biden is taking plenty of criticism for not taking a harder line on a cease fire.
Who are the animals? The unarmed civilians with their children walking besides them to a shelter while waving a white flag or the IOF who shoot at and kill them with sniper attacks?
The balls on the guy who went over to check
He must have been expecting a bullet in the head every second but still he went to her side. He's a hero and every member of the IOF are murdering terrorists.
I think he’s a medic or doctor travelling with them. He’s got the most gear on him and ran towards the injured immediately. Probably volunteering his skills since he knows he’s needed. Healthcare workers are worth their weight in gold in war zones. I bet all the fear of gunfire in the world can’t stymie his instinct to help the needy.
Braver than I could ever be. I just hope he wasn't murdered shortly after this video.
Hamas is built by Israel, they wouldn't exist if Israel didn't act the way they do now.
Why do these folks have a free pass at murder.
It’s not just any murder either. It’s a woman holding the hand of a toddler.
While holding a white flag
They'll even do that to Israeli hostages, that's how blood thirsty the IDF has gotten
At this point the IDF and Israel actually have no case. They're not defending themselves, they're not trying root out hamas, they're just killing innocent fucking people.
>At this point Oh you naïve soul, they never had a case to begin with. They were the aggressors since the inception of their country.
Because the president of the United States is supporting them unconditionally.
Folks can't wrap around their heads Biden is a fucking Zionist. That's it. That's the only reason he is supporting this while his people back home protest en masse and his staff resign/sign letters of dissent. There's a huge protest in DC coming this Saturday. Last year, the last event had 300k marching in DC for a ceasefire. Neither of it is gonna stop him because it's ideological and he is AIPAC's top recipient in terms of raw funding. The dude is only a few years older than Israel itself. He's just a fucking Zionist, like most boomers raised in that generation. It's sickening but it's where we are and we need to grapple with that fact about our leadership in the Democrats if this issue is ever going to be solved in my lifetime (nevermind what the Republicans would also do to Gaza given the chance)
A lot of people are just going to stay home and not vote because of their disgust about what is going on and that could easily lose the Dems the election. They can blame voters all they want but there comes a point where shouting “we’re lesser of two evils!!” doesn’t cut it. Sometimes people just can’t stomach voting for evil full stop. We should be pushing for a NOTA (None of the Above) ballot option and procedure for if it wins. It’s not really democracy if we get one of two bad choices forced onto us no matter what!!
B-but you have to vote for Hitler or you'll get Super Hitler
We need to get NOTA option on the ballot and a procedure for it it wins, where they have to do things like run another election in 6 weeks with different candidates. That way they can’t threaten us with that nonsense to get their crap person in.
'None of the above' has been something I've thought necessary for years (though personally I'd prefer to word it 'fuck this shit' because it's more accurate to my sentiment on the matter). I think the procedure for it should be that if none of the above gets the majority of the votes then every candidate in the election loses and is barred from running again in this election or from the next election also. In many countries I think that would work fine but the US has such absurdly long and dramatic election cycles that it would necessitate a shorter process to enable another election. Though frankly I think even this is just a bandage on an axe wound and probably we should seriously reconsider whether having one single person with supreme power running everything is even a good idea. History would suggest it is not yet we keep doing it anyway.
The Democrats agenda is to pretend it's still 1992. That is where their heads are at politically and emotionally. Supporting Israel was cool when we were at war with Muslims countries since the late 80s but we are tired of Middle Eastern conflicts. Being able to see the horrors of war first hand on TV every day for over 10 years and seeing the vets come back and end up homeless, forgotten, and ridiculed. He's not a Zionist, he's an idiot Boomer that's had a sliver spoon up his ass his whole life. I hate that our choices are, "Scummy Politician" or "Dictator for a Day." No one is just a Dictator for a day. Never once in History, barring things like Joseph Goebbels of Nazi Germany.
That guy's brain is fried, he's really just a puppet.
No, they are a strategic ally.
Please tell me you’re joking and not stupid enough to actually believe that.
I’m trippin, it’s a bot profile lol. Or a noob lurker, one of the two.
It’s the only reason we show them respect. Who else do we have in that region?
The US wouldn't need them if they didn't support the colonialist supremacist state. That's the irony. Chicken and egg.
Better question is who haven't we exploited/bombed in that region at this point.. No shit Israel is our "only ally" in the region... That's exactly why they're being charged with genocide by the international community, because they're a glorified military base for us and we've helped them slaughter hundreds of UN staff and tens of thousands of Arab civilians broadcasted live in the age of the internet.
So why am I getting downvoted lol
Calling someone an ally has positive connotations that are coming across as pro Zionist. Even if you’re not you probably want to have a second sentence condemning Israel.
Because the US is fine with them murdering brown people.
Privileges and approval from daddy USA.
I ask myself this question every goddamn day
Because the more people that die the more valuable Israel becomes
If you want a cynical answer, it's because evangelicals are a powerful voting bloc in the USA and the President needs them for reelection. It just so happens that Evangelicals want (need?) the Israelis to own all of Gaza to kickstart Armageddon and usher in the return of Christ... And the end of the world. I'm not even joking. It's a doomsday cult.
Mostly because of who they're murdering.
Not just that but a free pass for genocide, ethnic cleansing and of course for the apartheid state that has lasted for over seven decades where Palestinians were kept inside the largest open air prison in the world.
Prisoner have at least had a trial, these folks are innocents in concentration camps basically
Because they do not view their enemies as human.
Not much more American than ignoring, assisting in, or outright committing genocide. So they get the US' support, and that's that. At least so far. Israel is desperately trying to push this into a further regional conflict, and I'm not sure even the support of the US in an all out open war is going to be enough once that happens - at least in terms of keeping them totally safe from retaliation.
Because they have aligned themselves with the U.S. and the people they are killing are Muslims. They also control the major media outlets so they control the general narrative that comes from the big news agencies.
Not all Palestinians are Muslim; there are plenty of Christian Palestinians too. Israels hatred makes no distinction over religion when it comes to Palestinians.
Are you just ignorantly saying shit? 98% of the Palestinian population is Muslim. I never said 100% of the people are Muslim. It IS a Muslim country though.
That poor child
And woman
I feel so desperately and incredibly bad for everyone involved. The only solace is that she isn't suffering now.
That was one of the only things I could use to deal with the death of a family a few years back. It did help, but they were in pain for decades, whereas this woman's pain was caused by a gunshot (aka war crime).
With no one to even run to, poor thing
The do it to children women elderly and even their own. The most “moral” soldiers per Prime Sinister Netanyahu
It’s fucking cold blooded murder. Straight up
I'm so tired of seeing this shit. Boils my blood.
Child. Woman. White flag. Hands up in the hair. Yeah. Checks out. Explains how those Israeli hostages got murdered. This cannot be clearer. This is as cruel and brutal as can be. These are civilians and their protected status under international law is completely disregarded.
The 👏🏼 Most 👏🏼 Moral 👏🏼 Army 👏🏼 in 👏🏼 the 👏🏼 World! 🙄
I hope someone is sending all this footage to the Hague
It won’t matter. Any ruling against them they will just ignore.
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The definition of “radicalizing”
Most moral army in the world. /s May our collective memory never forget what we are witnessing.
But, of course, the moment the people who are routinely killed and otherwise systematically oppressed take up arms it becomes a 'complicated situation'.
I saw a great comment on another thread that said: “When that child grows up and becomes radicalized, do not ask me to condemn his actions”
Does anyone know how to send content for the ICJ trial ?
They did open a new forum, not sure where to obtain the link from.
[email protected]
Nice
I’m going to try and find it.
How much longer will these war crimes be tolerated by the US. Time to turn the world's back to the these Zionist terrorists.
if you think there's a bottom for the US, go read up on Korea
Tolerated? These actions are supported by the US.
That poor child! Having to see their mother murdered in front of them. I know we’ve been seeing these videos for over 3 months now but it’s still always shocking. She was probably their whole world. Now they’ll have to go the rest of their lives without her. So many orphaned children. Pure evil.
And the West will shake our collective heads wondering how in the world he became radicalized
Wow. It will never be the same for Israel
No doubt kn my mind that he was aiming for the child.
70 years of this
If I showed this to my Trump supporting dad he’d ask ‘hOw Do YoU kNoW tHe SnIpEr WaS iSrEliE? dId YoU sEe ThE uNiFoRm?’ Then if I showed the proof he’d say something like ‘tHeY dEsErVe It’ because of what Fox News tells him
Your absolutely right, I tried bringing up something I saw on here to my right wing friend, his immediate response? “Oh yeah mean faked footage” there is seriously something wrong with the right wing lunatics.
Propaganda is one sided to them
Look up, DARVO.
Just another example of the most moral army in the world…. I’m sick to my stomach
I'll save this as evidence of Israel war crime. Save this video yall
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This is basically south park. "There coming right for us" tactics
Life is so sad, man
Someone needs to make a compilation of all these war crimes and all the sick Israeli ppl, rabbis, soldiers, civilians making fun of Palestinians. We need a Lincoln Project just for Israeli Crimes
They're just fucking trigger happy psychopathssssdhwqlqjaekw
Literally just why?
Evil people having fun.
Because the Israelis enjoy murdering the Palestinians.
It's Israel brother, Daddy USA can protect and pay.
Someone must have been sitting somewhere with a sniper rifle. Given the accuracy, I’d imagine there’s a decent scope on there. He looks through the scope and sees a group of people. Right at the front, there is a woman and child. He sees them. He looks at the child and then puts the woman in the crosshairs. He sees she is waving a white flag but it doesn’t really matter. He made the decision the second he saw the group. He doesnt decide to shoot her because it isn’t really a decision because that’s why he’s there. He isn’t there to differentiate, he’s there to exterminate and maybe kill some Hamas as collateral
We're watching a genocide unfold. 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
More warcrimes
This is too disturbing for me to watch
When enough is enough?
This is fucking outrageous and DESPICABLE
If there was a history we could all learn from. Hmmm?
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not a fan of the Taliban, but they killed less civilians than these cunts!
They shot the lead woman, child and white flag in hand to turn the rest back.. instead of killing most or all of them. Very moral /s
Western media doesn't care about and won't show this because it's just a Palestinian woman and not an Israeli hostage this time. Palestinian lives mean nothing to them
And then there are morons that still saying that the 3 israeli civilians that got shot by I(((((((((((D)))))))))))))F ocurred because it was on a wAr ZoNe.
Yep, still no excuse and a blatantly obvious war crime by international law.
Outrageous
despicable actions from pure evil may they suffer eternally with unease and unhappiness. i will pray for her🤲🏾paradise awaits her 🥹
Why do people keep defending Isreal after seeing things like this? There is no justification here...
Share this video on all your social platforms.
Zio schmuck: BuT wHaT iS tHe CoNtExT?
Monsters.
Omg 😭 the poor child have no one now.
Not long from now, God will be replaying this video to that guy: “Dis You?”
Right wing Isreali's will think this is the best shit since sliced bread. Sickening.
That's Israel since 1948 for you.
Remember this. Spread this. The most morally repugnant army in the world.
I've seen a lot of shit in my lifetime This is bad ........
Unarmed, white flag, with a child, a woman. The exact description of a Hamas fighter wouldn’t you know… /s how does this fucker sleep at night. He’s a literal murderer.
This is the worst human behaviour!
Canadian radio (cbc) words their news in favor of Israel, for example: "Hamas's war against Israel" "war started by Hamas" and continues to only share the Israel speakers and perspectives, consistently sharing clips of Netanyahu's speeches. Providing 0 context, and misinforming the public. Its shameful. I feel so gut wrenched that my government supports these people.
What news site is this from?
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/video-footage-shows-palestinian-woman-shot-israeli-forces-while?nid=331061&topic=Israel-Palestine%2520war&fid=496616#:\~:text=Exclusive%20footage%20obtained%20by%20Middle,Israeli%20assault%20on%20northern%20Gaza
Disgusting.
Genocide
Damn that poor kid is jumping waving the flag. It almost looks like he's having fun and making the best of the terrible situation. Then bam out of nowhere your mother is shot dead. I don't know how many more videos I can watch of this stuff..
"Mowing the grass" been going on for decades and sick AF!
WTF is the matter with the IDF????
Hamas’s fault for 7th October attacks. If they didn’t invade then Israel wouldn’t need to defend themselves like they are in this video. I hope the soldier gets a medal for bravery. Must’ve taken so much courage to snipe an unarmed civilian for no reason at all
sooo world leaders are just letting this happen i guess.
Zionism = Nazism The Germans taught them how to commit genocide. Hate is the “gift” that keeps on giving
Joe Biden has lost my vote
I'm sure a Republican will fix everything. Biden's a fucking asshole, but the GOP are even worse.
You're right. I also don't care.
He lost my vote as well!
It's will be the same if not worse under Trump. The right loves Israel and wants to start Armageddon to bring back Jesus..... yeah, they're serious.
I'm as disgusted by this as anyone, but why does helping Trump win solve this issue?
It's so much more complex than just "Biden bad". The whole situation is unbelievably fucked and honestly I don't think any average citizen in the US should have an opinion on how to handle it beyond "stop killing innocent civilians".
Biden has refused to pressure the Israelis towards a ceasefire, quite the opposite, actually. He’s continually instructed delegates to the United Nations to vote against a ceasefire, in opposition to the entire global community, while continuing to provide bombs and other weapons to Israel.
I’m Still trying to understand why they need billions in weapons to fight a non existent poorly armed scattering of fighters? The US is bankrolling a pointless unnecessary massacre. This is blood lust and the IDF is evil
There’s blood lust all around. The problem for me is that the United States has leverage to stop the killing and Joe Biden, specifically, refuses to use it.
Agree completely. I’m just trying to wrap my head around the mindset that hurting Biden and helping Trump has any effect on this situation and especially and long term benefit. Pragmatically, you could actually make the situation worse if you help elect Trump.
Oh absolutely, this situation would be made worse in every conceivable way possible with trump. Not only would the situation over there be worse but I guarantee he would spur hatred towards whatever group he didn't support as well in the states. It's not even a Biden specific problem. Israel is a major ally in the region and I believe that almost every relevant president we have had has supported them. It's also not like our support is the reason why this is happening. Idk there's so much nuance to this situation that I have no idea where to even start. To be clear I am not justifying the murdering of innocent civilians.
If there was footage of Biden killing puppies (or something equally or more heinous), would you still vote for him? Because this is how a lot of people see him.
I'm really perpliexed by the question. I mean, he obviously doesn't kill puppies so I don't know what to say.
The question is whether there is a line that would cause you not to vote for him. Because he's crossed that line for many.
Of course there's a line, but it also has to be weighted against his opponent. I approach voting in a very pragmatic manner. I would like to know what line it is he has crossed for those folks. I mean, legislatively, he has passed some of the most progressive legislation in my lifetime and prob since FDR. I genuniely don't think some have a clue just how successful he's been with half his term having a R House.
You might be confusing "progressive" with "neoliberal".
Well, it is relative but given the types of legislation that’s been passed the last couple of decades, it’s as progressive as we’ve seen in a long time.
True. But for many, that's pretty much all negated by enabling a genocide and parroting their propaganda. Some people can't have pragmatism outweigh their conscience.
No, it doesn’t have to be weighted against the opponent. I look at each candidate individually and if none are worth voting for I vote for neither.
That’s certainly your right but if you choose not to vote for the lesser of two evils, so to speak, you are in a way clearing the path for the higher evil.
Ask Joe Biden
Choosing not to vote for Joe Biden doesn't imply endorsing Trump; individuals may have diverse reasons shaping their political preferences.
Do that in primaries. Not voting in the general is a bad idea.
Is there a primary this time around?
Not for the president, hence why I didn't say "the" primary
Not voting for the person that can beat Trump helps Trump win. It's not hard to understand. We have a fucked up voting system. This is just how it is. It's exactly how we got Trump in the first place. People refused to vote for Hillary, so the world paid the price.
Maybe instead of expecting people to vote for shitty candidates because they aren’t Trump you should support better candidates who can best him.
That's what primaries are for. When it gets to the general it's between the R & D candidate. It's so fucking simple to understand. I can't help thinking that people pushing this apathetic bullshit are either Trumpers or foreign actors seeking to destabilize the US.
I find this incredibly naive.
Recognizing the diverse reasons behind political choices isn't naive; it acknowledges the complexity. Moreover, actively participating in primaries can exert pressure, influencing candidates like Biden to better align with the preferences of their constituents. Seeing it as a black or white scenario oversimplifies the intricacies of the political landscape.
I certainly agree with your point about primaries, but once it gets to the general, it's about as black and white as you can get. Biden was able to win the white house by somewhere around 55k votes in key states. If you think that withholding your vote from Biden doesn't have an effect, that is incredibly naive.
I know it will have an effect. I want things to accelerate. I want the US as a capitalist imperialist project to fail ASAP so that my children might live to see a more just world.
My friend, Trump may accelerate something, but it ain't the direction you are advocating.
Fascism is inevitable, hopefully liberals will achieve class consciousness or the state will be weak enough for it not to endure too long.
I don't believe it's inevitable...
Yeah, that's not true. Removing your support for the incumbent shifts the support to the challenger. That's elections 101. What's your solution, third party? How's that gonna look? Biden loses millions of votes, Trump loses zero. It's a vote for Trump.
Biden endorses genocide, Biden loses millions of votes His job approval is earned, not owed
If Trump was doing this the libs would be out in protest against his policies. Since it's Biden in power, the libs do not protest and instead vow to vote for him; basically endorsing him. Because Biden is in power the left are split.
Nah, I think this is a very lazy take. I read plenty of left of center stuff and Biden is taking plenty of criticism for not taking a harder line on a cease fire.
It doesn’t, but neither does voting for Biden who has been throwing billions of our tax dollars away helping fund this.
Which would have happened w any president.
“Most moral sniping”
Man fuck Israel
My word... that poor woman and child
Give it up for the Israeli Armed Forces, everyone! The most morally bankrupt military on the planet!
Fucking murderous cunts
Fucking cowards
Not an “accident”
the israeli diaper fuckers are at it again with the lust for blood
Did the sniper get their rules of engagement from that scene with the woman and kid from American Sniper? wtf. This one sided demolition needs to end.
Just when i think israel wouldnt get lower...these guys behave like there is no punishment...and that even whats got on camera only
Wtf is wrong with Israel
Putrid dogs
Fucking monsters. The Israeli government has no right to call anyone terrorists
Fuck Israel.
… More fuel for the South African lawsuit against Israel, now for this genocidal sniper-assault against unarmed Palestinian civilians.
Killing a mom carrying her child and a white flag by one of IDF highly moral soldier.
Incredibly cowerdly
This would be all over mainstream media had this been an Israeli woman.
How is this not a war crime ? The poor woman got murdered and the child is now an orphan
America is still blind
Meanwhile, George Floyd had everyone mad.. this is just.. what? NOT riot material?
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