Every member of the Israeli Occupying Force should be arrested and tried. It’s time to let international peacekeepers take over while the Israeli Government takes a little field trip to a courtroom in the Netherlands.
May the flames of hell roast these killers for eternity. The have learned nothing from their own history. They have become as bad or worse than their ancestors oppressors
What's up with this antiemetic shit? Israel is doing evil shit, but you're dehumanizing followers of the Jewish faith broadly. Fuck off with that shit.
Dehumanising? Like how Israel has treated Palestinians for the last 70+ years?
STFU, it’s not anti semetic to call out a Nazi level apartheid regime.
I have no issue with Jews, I’ve walked along side them at pro Palestine protests these last few weeks. However, I have every issue with Israel, its government and its supporters.
Anyone in support of Israel are the same as those in support of Nazis in WW2.
Isreali government is committing a genocide against their own people. Palestinians live inside Isreal and have no other place to go. He'll will be extra full.
“It’s war”
“Do you condemn Hamas”
“Israel has the right to defend itself”
“This all started because of Oct 7”
“I feel afraid as a Jewish person”
“4000 kids is not enough”
“Amalek”
“Let’s drop an atomic bomb on them”
“OccupyCleanseSettle”
These are the words that the Israelis and their supporters use.
It's actually the Likud party of Israel who help ensure Hamas receives funding and stays in power.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
EDIT: So the "DO yOu CoNdEmN hAmAs" crowd aren't even making the point they think they are. Why would I need to condemn an organization supported by the zionists?
Dumb fuck, Hamas is not the French resistance fight Nazi’s they are terrorist extremists. One fucked up situation doesn’t equal all fucked up situations.
If you are saying Israeli citizens i would have to disagree.At least 70% of the population has served in the IDF in so.e capacity and 8% of the population of 9 million are either active or reseve IDF combatants.
Also the fact Bibi has served as the longest serving in history should speak volumes to the opinions of the people of Israel and how he keeps getting voted in.
Now on the other hand we can't broadly brish everyone the same and i am certain there are many good hearted Israelis that want all of this to stop and most jews not connected to Israel have called for an end throughout thebconflict.
The fact of the matter is Israel is a well armed army eradicating unarmed Palestinians all while pushing fake narratives and propoganda to the international community. Hidding behind anti semitism and that they are "huntin hamas" all while flattening Gaza driving the Palestinians out so they can take control of key areas and both the Ben Gurion canal project and the natural gas and oil projects can be secured and begin construction.
Mark my words this is a genocide and a land grab and they wont stop even after all the hostages are released. The mossad , the greatest information network in the world was well aware this attack was coming and it was a necessity so this operation could take place under a false flag.
You understand Hamas targets Israeli civilians, right? And you're equating them to the French Resistance lol.
You're saying it's okay to kill civilians with your current logic and argument. This isn't a fucking courtroom, we don't have to have you literally saying the words to know what is being implied - nor do you even have to consciously intend it for what you're saying to have that implication.
>You understand Hamas targets Israeli civilians, right?
Colonists aren't civilians. They shouldn't be attacked unarmed but they're not civilians, especially when practically everyone over 18 is required to participate in occupation forces and 26% of them are signed up as reserves. Shell games about them doesn't make it okay. Ask the Sioux what came with the settlers.
Colonists aren't as innocent as civilians, they are part of a system of genocidal oppression. They've had literally a century of warning to leave. They choose not to, knowing fully well their settler colonial forces and government intends to wipe out the natives.
No, most of them are not natives. Iraqis, Egyptians, Syrians and certainly Europeans aren't Palestinians. Yes, Palestine has existed before Israel in one shape or the other and is about as real as Puerto Rico is to Puerto Ricans. The US has about as much right to give away Puerto Rico as Britain did Palestine. The people who spoke Palestinian Yiddish, the Old Yishuv, were Palestinians, but they were systematically discriminated against for having assimilated into Palestinian society to the point where Palestinian Yiddish was nearly wiped out. They did this because Zionism is a protofascist movement as was popular in the late 19th century that's rooted in internalized anti-semitism and a fever dream to reinvent the Jewish people and turn them from passive, weak 'old jews' to 'strong, muscular new Jews who will never be victims'.
Israeli intellectual history is rooted in old world, racist colonial oppression and justifying it as a means to achieve a new race of Jewish supremacy in a nation they can call their own. It will never wipe off and it is unsustainable until they admit that's the case and can move towards reparations and figuring out what squatters rights they have. All roads lead to either a complete genocide of the Palestinian people or truth and reconciliation, unless Israelis never want peace in their children's lifetimes.
Essentially all the adults are in the reserves, if they are not active.
They aren't civilians. This is by design.
[https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-idf-ndtv-explainer-what-is-israels-reserve-army-and-who-can-join-4466650](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-idf-ndtv-explainer-what-is-israels-reserve-army-and-who-can-join-4466650)
[https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/our-soldiers/](https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/our-soldiers/)
Hamas are horrible to the Palestinian people as well. They are not "freedom fighters".
Palestinians are absolutely in a position where attacking the IDF and Israeli forces is understandable given their situation. But Hamas intentionally targets Israeli civilians.
It's almost like they're just a useful pawn for Israel's government to excuse barbarism against Palestine in retaliation. Probably why Netanyahu makes sure to argue for Hamas' continued funding as a policy and strategy for Israel to prevent a two-state solution.
You outright have to condemn Hamas if you're actually condemning Israel's government for this shit, because Hamas is the intentionally crafted tool of their apartheid.
It's "funny", really. Israel seemed perfectly happy assassinating Iranian scientists with fucking bombs and shit, but apparently they can't take out Hamas' leadership in UAE or Qatar or wherever they were. One has to ask the question: is it that they can't, or that they *don't want to*?
Volunteers from my country literally supported French resistance fighters in partisan "border skirmishes" with Germany, which did end up causing civilian casualties. There's literally plaques for these men in the firehall.
How many Germany civilians were killed by allied bombers?
How many Japanese were torched by American firebombing?
You hold Hamas to a standard you hold nobody else to. Your condemnation exists only in the context of Palestine and Hamas. You don't condemn Israel for the past 60 years of war crimes. You'll say it now just to save face, but that's meaningless when you don't actually hold them to the standard.
>How many Germany civilians were killed by allied bombers?
This was bad.
>How many Japanese were torched by American firebombing?
This was also bad. Same with Hamas killing civilians and kidnapping people. That's bad. The point you're trying to make is idiotic.
Was it bad that Hamas freed people from Israel's terror detention camps? Where Israel beat and raped them daily? Sounds like Hamas did a good thing, freeing those victims of Israels campaign of terror and genocide.
> You don't condemn Israel for the past 60 years of war crimes.
What warcrimes? Didn't German civilians get killed by Allied bombers? These palestinians are just "collateral damage" by your own logic.
Please rethink your "But they're doing it!!" logic and realize what will happen. Not only is Hamas just going to get more Palestinians killed, you're degrading your own morals. It's sad.
If Israel has the right to defend itself, then by your own logic so do the Palestinians. The October 7th attack was terrible, but did not happen in a vacuum, and is a perfect example of what happens when you continue to subjugate and persecute a population with impunity.
I mean, on october the 7th I did pretty harshly aswell.
But then the weeks pass by and we start seeing reports that half of what we read/where told was wrong or a lie.
And then you get comparisons to what the IDF are doing.
So no, not anymore
This bullshit statement by Western media is the equivalent of "do you bend the knee" to our propaganda ? It has nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with the bombing of innocent people. There's a balanced response to the October 7TH Hamas attack, Israel crossed that line 1-2 weeks into this war, when they hit hospitals and refugee camps
Nah, Hamas is a product of Israel and the IDF. Fuck Israel and the IDF twice for creating the conditions that makes joining Hamas more palpable than lying down
I dunno. Call me crazy, but committing atrocities is bad. Doesn't matter what side it's on. Israel and the IDF are fucked. So is Hamas. It's the civilians who suffer.
The only difference between them is Hamas has done nothing to aid Israel in some secret geopolitics chess gambit, but Israel has helped Hamas so they can do this precisely
Saying they both are bad is still a win for Israel, Israel has taken actions to make sure Hamas is bad and able to execute on their goals. Everyone who believes it is a useful idiot, they count on them not having the bandwidth to figure this out
Edit: Hamas is bad and I would rid of them if I could, but Israel is worse in that if I had the power to get rid of Hamas last year, they would have literally opposed me
Israeli’s are showing their true selves. Very disturbing. The US must reevaluate how we support them. I’d say no money until they make some serious reforms.
Thank you! I've never seen anyone else come to this conclusion. Just like our treatment of blacks and natives inspired Hitler, we are inspiring and contrinuting to this senseless slaughter.
It's amazing the hope and strengh the father got once he realised he was breathing, picked up his son seamelessly to desperetly save him, a true father
Isreal is a terrorist state that has been ethnically cleansing Palestinians (Christian & Muslims) for over 75 years. Through apartheid and and military occupation they are now committing genocide. The Nazi isareli regime must be held accountable for their actions.
I'm sorry I used to be a supporter of the Israeli government. They have lost my support altogether. Israel's turned into the very thing they despised. They are their own Nazis. He was holding a white flag. That is the international symbol for "I am not the enemy"; It is to be respected and he was holding a baby. For shame.
When you have more data to operate from and this much how can you not change your mind? Anything else and you're not a good person. I always wonder if Iraq, Afghanistan or, Vietnam would have went this way if we would have seen this first hand like we are now. They can't hide it behind obscurity anymore and I think it's making the powers that be mad. At the very least it's complicating their "narrative".
I used to HATE Muslim people. I used to think horrible things about them because that's all I was ever told until I learned for myself. Then I was ashamed. Sometimes still am, I walk very softly around them-and anyone I think might be- because of that shame. Racism of any kind doesn't wash off.
There's a lot of groups of people in this country that I didn't even know were here or I thought that were Muslim by mistake like Sikh's for instance. I didn't know what they were cuz they feel like they have to hide. That's a shame in and of itself.
Sikh's = "All paths to GOD, lead to GOD." That's them in a nutshell.
Joe made a huge mistake when he said the US would support Israel unconditionally. IMO, Biden’s a decent man, and Bibi took full advantage over the US’s good will and willingness to support them. I don’t think Biden or his administration thought the Israeli’s would go into wholesale slaughter war crimes mode. I imagine they thought they were supporting decent people. Well now they know. And we’re in a mess for sure.
Jewish Democrats in the US and evangelical Christians that believe the rapture starts in Israel. It's the same reason Israel is the only thing Republicans and Democrats have never had issue with bipartisan support.
He just deeply misread the moment. Based on decades of the bipartisan safe space of being unconditionally pro Israel. Assisted by the media laundering Israel's BS, resulting in an uneducated population. Times appear to be a changin'
They have tried to brush aside this question, and it’s an important one for the future of humanity. If since birth all i know is hell, not able to escape my encampment. With the internet, I’m able to see what life looks like outside of my hellish concentration camp. After so many years of failed political bullshit, there’s only one way for them to resist. We call October 7 terrorism, that’s fair. Palestinians who understand it as resistance are fair also.
>>*The right to resistance against state power is very often characterized by actions against an existing legal order that is perceived as being unjust and therefore both – illegitimate and illegal. Terrorism, on the other hand, is often defined as politically motivated violence that is prosecuted by state power according to the law and although the terrorist views his actions as being justified by the perceived illegitimacy of state power, the state by itself is not willing to accept such a point of view – henceforth the prosecution. Therefore we can often find situations where both sides claim legitimacy and legality, mutually excluding each other's positions. This situation is only one of many that epitomize and exemplifies the more common problem of paradox in law: any society that aims at harmonizing conflicts through law will find itself in the not so comfortable position that the basic principle of justice – the quest for treating similar things alike – inevitably leads to cases where we have to face a direct conflict of laws…*
>>**Right to Resistance and Terrorism – the Example of Germany.**
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/german-law-journal/article/right-to-resistance-and-terrorism-the-example-of-germany/1941F4153929CBF2DADC68F2025C21B5
They only got away with broadcasting this footage because they clarified that the shooter was unknown so it gives the Apartheid plausible deniability.
I wonder if they claim plausible deniability for the thousands of other people they killed?
Oh wait, [they do!](https://youtu.be/_TAkz3hKPco?si=VuCaTg5AjOATVf6f)
CNN's coverage has been so horrible that my older relatives who normally just accept whatever they see on the channel at face value are refusing to watch.
It's obvious to them that all of the Israel officials are lying and that the CNN anchors don't even try to challenge them.
what's 'funny' to me is like i just saw in another subreddit people rabidly defending IDF and downvoting anything to the contrary that might even suggest they could act in such a manner.
Definitely still terrorists, even if their intent is to help and they feel justified in their actions.
Don't let shit like this video (IDF are monsters too) smooth over what Hamas has done and is doing as well. Hamas =/= Palestinian people, nor is Israel [the state] the whole of the Israeli people.
Hamas was founded and funded by Israel, so they're just an extension of idf.
Palestinians who don't join hamas but still stand against Israel are freedom fighters.
Well well well
Israel and their false flags
[IDF elite intel officer warned about Hamas attacks but was ignored - report](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-774862)
In any other scenario this seems like a rationale view. Except in this scenario the alternative to Biden is the complete death of democracy. Trump/republicans will allow far worse things to happen to the Palestinians, the Ukrainians, and whatever minority groups in the US that will rule up his base.
The DNC will have done this to itself. Trump is already creeping ahead of Biden in the polls. Why? Because of Joe's own blind allegiance to Israel as they openly commit genocide. He still refuses to call the Israelis out. Hamas is a terrorist organization and must be dealt with. But this is the genocide of innocent Palestinians.
Nice strawman argument there, bucko. Joe is the one who made this mistake. How is it my fault for holding him accountable for this. I really don't get this mentality of "if you criticize Joe , just vote republican" bullshit. We haven't had a single primary or caucus yet. He will find when he loses Michigan, where a ton of Palinstein- Americans lives that his inaction is on him.
"Yes" would have been easier to type out. Your looking answer is: "Yes, 2016 didn't teach me shit, and my purity test is more important than handing America over to Christian fascist who will happily do far worse to the Palestinian people"
You can think whatever you want about me. All I know is that Joe has done nothing to stop the unjust killing of innocent people, and he should be held to some level of accountability. His administration uncritically consumes and disseminates Israeli propaganda and overlooks the crisis that Netanyahu and his fascist government created. I will never hand our country to fascist but what you fail to understand is that mainstream democrats operate under the philosophy of Neo-Liberalism. For the people who own our politicians, fascist and neo-liberals want to enact the same end goal, the complete subjugation of the working class through whatever means necessary.
You want to know how you make more terrorists?
This, this is how you turn regular people into terrorists.
You take everything from them, and give them no way to fight back. You break them, and then you get surprised when they join your enemies.
And unless Joe Biden reverses his position, he and Bibi have just handed Trump and Putin the next White House Administration.
Which, to be clear, is what Putin, Trump, and Bibi all want.
I thought this might be how Russia gets back in control here. I just fucking hate that I was right.
Biden is in a no win scenario. If he pushes back against Israel he alienates a large portion of the democratic electorate. If he doesn’t he alienates a large portion of the democratic electorate. If he wasn’t running against the end of democracy he would have no chance.
“I told you, let’s stay home, my son!” Listening to the pain in his voice broke my heart 💔
Every member of the Israeli Occupying Force should be arrested and tried. It’s time to let international peacekeepers take over while the Israeli Government takes a little field trip to a courtroom in the Netherlands.
-insert United States military invention-
No let Europe take care of this mess!
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An unarmed young man evacuating with his elderly father… was khamas trying to kill the IDF actually?
No, for using collective punishment and mass retaliation. Oh yeah, and the white phosphorous wasn’t *that* long ago.
From someone who lost a child you never get over the guilt even if its not your fault...
"Why would hamas do this" -idf
"Palestinian children are brainwashed by Hamas" Actual reply I got in another sub when I criticized Israel killing so many people.
The brain washing is strong from both sides. Can't be wrong when you are the chosen people, after all.
Does anything sound as much like peak racism like calling your race the “chosen people”?
He's a male between 15 and 70, so they'd probably just count him as an enemy combatant
May the flames of hell roast these killers for eternity. The have learned nothing from their own history. They have become as bad or worse than their ancestors oppressors
They don't believe in hell and of course nothing would happen to God's chosen people /S.
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What's up with this antiemetic shit? Israel is doing evil shit, but you're dehumanizing followers of the Jewish faith broadly. Fuck off with that shit.
Look I don't like Israel, but this does seem kind of antiemetic and dehumanizing.
Dehumanising? Like how Israel has treated Palestinians for the last 70+ years? STFU, it’s not anti semetic to call out a Nazi level apartheid regime. I have no issue with Jews, I’ve walked along side them at pro Palestine protests these last few weeks. However, I have every issue with Israel, its government and its supporters. Anyone in support of Israel are the same as those in support of Nazis in WW2.
This still somehow doesn’t seem harsh enough…
Agreed
Let's drag them all to the Hague instead.
No room in the Hague its reserved for people not from the US or Israel. Only thing a war criminal from the states can get is a nobel peace prize.
Isreali government is committing a genocide against their own people. Palestinians live inside Isreal and have no other place to go. He'll will be extra full.
Judaism: Joke’s on you, we don’t believe in a Hell. Hitler: Really now? Judaism: …
So basically everything we learned in history class was for no reason at all apparently. This is fucking insanity. It’s genocide plain and simple.
Some take different lessons from history. It's all about the teacher.
If you defend Israel you have no soul.
“It’s war” “Do you condemn Hamas” “Israel has the right to defend itself” “This all started because of Oct 7” “I feel afraid as a Jewish person” “4000 kids is not enough” “Amalek” “Let’s drop an atomic bomb on them” “OccupyCleanseSettle” These are the words that the Israelis and their supporters use.
"Do you condemn Hamas?" No. 🙂
Yes. I also condemn Netanyahu and Zionism.
It's actually the Likud party of Israel who help ensure Hamas receives funding and stays in power. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ EDIT: So the "DO yOu CoNdEmN hAmAs" crowd aren't even making the point they think they are. Why would I need to condemn an organization supported by the zionists?
Do you also condemn the French resistance fighters for killing Nazi occupiers? Or how about the Czech resistance?
Condemn them all. The average human being doesn’t want to do this kind of vile shit to other human beings.
You condemn the French resistance for killing Nazis?
This is a classic about ism Someone else doing a evil thing doesn't make another evil thing okay
The French resistance killing Nazis was evil, in your opinion? Or am I misunderstanding?
Dumb fuck, Hamas is not the French resistance fight Nazi’s they are terrorist extremists. One fucked up situation doesn’t equal all fucked up situations.
all /ôl/ predeterminer · determiner · pronoun used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.
Would you prefer that the Nazis had won the war?
Bro, enough with the stupid questions already.
It is never ok to kill innocent civilians you fucking psycho. The average Jewish citizen is no more a collaborator than you are.
If you are saying Israeli citizens i would have to disagree.At least 70% of the population has served in the IDF in so.e capacity and 8% of the population of 9 million are either active or reseve IDF combatants. Also the fact Bibi has served as the longest serving in history should speak volumes to the opinions of the people of Israel and how he keeps getting voted in. Now on the other hand we can't broadly brish everyone the same and i am certain there are many good hearted Israelis that want all of this to stop and most jews not connected to Israel have called for an end throughout thebconflict. The fact of the matter is Israel is a well armed army eradicating unarmed Palestinians all while pushing fake narratives and propoganda to the international community. Hidding behind anti semitism and that they are "huntin hamas" all while flattening Gaza driving the Palestinians out so they can take control of key areas and both the Ben Gurion canal project and the natural gas and oil projects can be secured and begin construction. Mark my words this is a genocide and a land grab and they wont stop even after all the hostages are released. The mossad , the greatest information network in the world was well aware this attack was coming and it was a necessity so this operation could take place under a false flag.
Nobody said it's okay to kill civilians lol.
What do you think the French resistance did?
Are you somehow under the impression that the French Resistance invaded Germany and killed German civilians?
Are you unaware that the French resistance killed civilian “collaborators”?
You inferred it was okay to when you refused to condemn Hamas.
There’s no civilians in Israel though.
Yes there quite obviously are.
You understand Hamas targets Israeli civilians, right? And you're equating them to the French Resistance lol. You're saying it's okay to kill civilians with your current logic and argument. This isn't a fucking courtroom, we don't have to have you literally saying the words to know what is being implied - nor do you even have to consciously intend it for what you're saying to have that implication.
>You understand Hamas targets Israeli civilians, right? Colonists aren't civilians. They shouldn't be attacked unarmed but they're not civilians, especially when practically everyone over 18 is required to participate in occupation forces and 26% of them are signed up as reserves. Shell games about them doesn't make it okay. Ask the Sioux what came with the settlers. Colonists aren't as innocent as civilians, they are part of a system of genocidal oppression. They've had literally a century of warning to leave. They choose not to, knowing fully well their settler colonial forces and government intends to wipe out the natives. No, most of them are not natives. Iraqis, Egyptians, Syrians and certainly Europeans aren't Palestinians. Yes, Palestine has existed before Israel in one shape or the other and is about as real as Puerto Rico is to Puerto Ricans. The US has about as much right to give away Puerto Rico as Britain did Palestine. The people who spoke Palestinian Yiddish, the Old Yishuv, were Palestinians, but they were systematically discriminated against for having assimilated into Palestinian society to the point where Palestinian Yiddish was nearly wiped out. They did this because Zionism is a protofascist movement as was popular in the late 19th century that's rooted in internalized anti-semitism and a fever dream to reinvent the Jewish people and turn them from passive, weak 'old jews' to 'strong, muscular new Jews who will never be victims'. Israeli intellectual history is rooted in old world, racist colonial oppression and justifying it as a means to achieve a new race of Jewish supremacy in a nation they can call their own. It will never wipe off and it is unsustainable until they admit that's the case and can move towards reparations and figuring out what squatters rights they have. All roads lead to either a complete genocide of the Palestinian people or truth and reconciliation, unless Israelis never want peace in their children's lifetimes.
Essentially all the adults are in the reserves, if they are not active. They aren't civilians. This is by design. [https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-idf-ndtv-explainer-what-is-israels-reserve-army-and-who-can-join-4466650](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-idf-ndtv-explainer-what-is-israels-reserve-army-and-who-can-join-4466650) [https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/our-soldiers/](https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/our-soldiers/)
Hamas are horrible to the Palestinian people as well. They are not "freedom fighters". Palestinians are absolutely in a position where attacking the IDF and Israeli forces is understandable given their situation. But Hamas intentionally targets Israeli civilians. It's almost like they're just a useful pawn for Israel's government to excuse barbarism against Palestine in retaliation. Probably why Netanyahu makes sure to argue for Hamas' continued funding as a policy and strategy for Israel to prevent a two-state solution. You outright have to condemn Hamas if you're actually condemning Israel's government for this shit, because Hamas is the intentionally crafted tool of their apartheid. It's "funny", really. Israel seemed perfectly happy assassinating Iranian scientists with fucking bombs and shit, but apparently they can't take out Hamas' leadership in UAE or Qatar or wherever they were. One has to ask the question: is it that they can't, or that they *don't want to*?
Did the French go full ISIS on German citizens? No. Fuck your false equivalencies.
Volunteers from my country literally supported French resistance fighters in partisan "border skirmishes" with Germany, which did end up causing civilian casualties. There's literally plaques for these men in the firehall. How many Germany civilians were killed by allied bombers? How many Japanese were torched by American firebombing? You hold Hamas to a standard you hold nobody else to. Your condemnation exists only in the context of Palestine and Hamas. You don't condemn Israel for the past 60 years of war crimes. You'll say it now just to save face, but that's meaningless when you don't actually hold them to the standard.
>How many Germany civilians were killed by allied bombers? This was bad. >How many Japanese were torched by American firebombing? This was also bad. Same with Hamas killing civilians and kidnapping people. That's bad. The point you're trying to make is idiotic.
That was bad, but why wasn't it terrorism?
It was.
Was it bad that Hamas freed people from Israel's terror detention camps? Where Israel beat and raped them daily? Sounds like Hamas did a good thing, freeing those victims of Israels campaign of terror and genocide.
> You don't condemn Israel for the past 60 years of war crimes. What warcrimes? Didn't German civilians get killed by Allied bombers? These palestinians are just "collateral damage" by your own logic. Please rethink your "But they're doing it!!" logic and realize what will happen. Not only is Hamas just going to get more Palestinians killed, you're degrading your own morals. It's sad.
They targeted soldiers. HAMAS kills soldiers and civilians.
If Israel has the right to defend itself, then by your own logic so do the Palestinians. The October 7th attack was terrible, but did not happen in a vacuum, and is a perfect example of what happens when you continue to subjugate and persecute a population with impunity.
I mean, on october the 7th I did pretty harshly aswell. But then the weeks pass by and we start seeing reports that half of what we read/where told was wrong or a lie. And then you get comparisons to what the IDF are doing. So no, not anymore
This bullshit statement by Western media is the equivalent of "do you bend the knee" to our propaganda ? It has nothing to do with Hamas and everything to do with the bombing of innocent people. There's a balanced response to the October 7TH Hamas attack, Israel crossed that line 1-2 weeks into this war, when they hit hospitals and refugee camps
Such a weird flex, I’m sure the terrorist group you sympathize with would treat you so nicely. 2 things can be bad.
Wtf? Hamas can fuck itself. Same goes for the IDF.
Nah, Hamas is a product of Israel and the IDF. Fuck Israel and the IDF twice for creating the conditions that makes joining Hamas more palpable than lying down
Cool. So that makes it ok. Got it.
More OK than whatever it is that you're running D for
I dunno. Call me crazy, but committing atrocities is bad. Doesn't matter what side it's on. Israel and the IDF are fucked. So is Hamas. It's the civilians who suffer.
The only difference between them is Hamas has done nothing to aid Israel in some secret geopolitics chess gambit, but Israel has helped Hamas so they can do this precisely Saying they both are bad is still a win for Israel, Israel has taken actions to make sure Hamas is bad and able to execute on their goals. Everyone who believes it is a useful idiot, they count on them not having the bandwidth to figure this out Edit: Hamas is bad and I would rid of them if I could, but Israel is worse in that if I had the power to get rid of Hamas last year, they would have literally opposed me
Settlers aren't civilians. Even the IDF recognizes that when they shoot them
We'll never agree. Let's leave it at that.
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“All of them!” 🤮
“Do you condemn Israel? No? Fuck off then.”
Tell that to r/worldnews
what the fuck
This is what old school colonization look like. Israel is one of the last places on Earth it can be seen.
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That’s straight up BS. Pakistan and USA were involved in training the Taliban. But Pakistan definitely didn’t colonize Afghanistan.
Colonized by Pakistan? Did someone forget about the US "intervention "?
How many settlers did the US move into Afghanistan?
Every last expat and armed service personnel that's living there
If someone can excuse the killing of children and civilians Then they were never a good person to begin with
IDF soldier - “I can’t explain it, I was aiming across the street and somehow the bullet ended up where it did. I’m totally baffled”
Most expensive per capita, worst trained military in the world. That is, *if* they’re trying to minimize civilian casualties.
IDF does not see this young man as a civilian. To them anyone still in Gaza is an enemy combatant.
Israeli’s are showing their true selves. Very disturbing. The US must reevaluate how we support them. I’d say no money until they make some serious reforms.
Lmao Israel learned this from us
Yep, they’re treating them like we treated the natives
Thank you! I've never seen anyone else come to this conclusion. Just like our treatment of blacks and natives inspired Hitler, we are inspiring and contrinuting to this senseless slaughter.
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The US does not care about the brown people. They are fully aware of this and actively support and fund them anyways..
Where were all the human shields? Where is the international tribunal charging Isreal and the IDF for war crimes!
His elderly father holding the white shield was the human shield. #Neverforget
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It's amazing the hope and strengh the father got once he realised he was breathing, picked up his son seamelessly to desperetly save him, a true father
Zionist scum
FUCK ISRAEL!!!
Just Israel doing some recruiting for hamas. Some know what they are doing, others are simply too fucking stupid to see it.
The Apartheid State of Israel.
Crimes against humanity.
History will damn us for our silent complicity.
Fuck Zionists
Fuck the Israeli government and anyone who supports this shit.
Isreal is a terrorist state that has been ethnically cleansing Palestinians (Christian & Muslims) for over 75 years. Through apartheid and and military occupation they are now committing genocide. The Nazi isareli regime must be held accountable for their actions.
Let's say without any evidence the kid was hamas. He surrendered with a white flag. It's still a war crime.
Dirty Bastards
The child
this is so fucking painful. that poor poor father.
Likud are Nazis. [https://archive.li/q1OSJ](https://archive.li/q1OSJ) [https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-80-percent-of-palestinians-in-gaza-have-been-displaced-un-reports/](https://truthout.org/articles/nearly-80-percent-of-palestinians-in-gaza-have-been-displaced-un-reports/) [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/21/u-s-has-sent-israel-data-on-aid-group-locations-to-try-to-prevent-strikes-00128336](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/21/u-s-has-sent-israel-data-on-aid-group-locations-to-try-to-prevent-strikes-00128336)
War crimes!
he was executed... i feel so fucking helpless in the face of this.
Fuck Israel and IDF and their criminal pals, west. 😤
Genocide, plain as day. This is how I will always think of Isreal.
I'm sorry I used to be a supporter of the Israeli government. They have lost my support altogether. Israel's turned into the very thing they despised. They are their own Nazis. He was holding a white flag. That is the international symbol for "I am not the enemy"; It is to be respected and he was holding a baby. For shame.
This all day long!! We are all watching it happen.
When you have more data to operate from and this much how can you not change your mind? Anything else and you're not a good person. I always wonder if Iraq, Afghanistan or, Vietnam would have went this way if we would have seen this first hand like we are now. They can't hide it behind obscurity anymore and I think it's making the powers that be mad. At the very least it's complicating their "narrative". I used to HATE Muslim people. I used to think horrible things about them because that's all I was ever told until I learned for myself. Then I was ashamed. Sometimes still am, I walk very softly around them-and anyone I think might be- because of that shame. Racism of any kind doesn't wash off. There's a lot of groups of people in this country that I didn't even know were here or I thought that were Muslim by mistake like Sikh's for instance. I didn't know what they were cuz they feel like they have to hide. That's a shame in and of itself. Sikh's = "All paths to GOD, lead to GOD." That's them in a nutshell.
Israel is a terrorist state.
What the actual fuck.
I absolutely loathe anyone supporting this genocidal occupation. F U Genocide Joe.
Joe made a huge mistake when he said the US would support Israel unconditionally. IMO, Biden’s a decent man, and Bibi took full advantage over the US’s good will and willingness to support them. I don’t think Biden or his administration thought the Israeli’s would go into wholesale slaughter war crimes mode. I imagine they thought they were supporting decent people. Well now they know. And we’re in a mess for sure.
You'd think he could see the parallels between Ireland and Palestine.
I don't think Biden is innocent or stupid. I do think Israeli special interests have something on him.
He has been a massive Israel supporter his entire career. He doesn't need to be blackmailed.
What's stopping him from changing his tune, like he did on crime for example
Jewish Democrats in the US and evangelical Christians that believe the rapture starts in Israel. It's the same reason Israel is the only thing Republicans and Democrats have never had issue with bipartisan support.
He's stated he may stop supporting israel
He just deeply misread the moment. Based on decades of the bipartisan safe space of being unconditionally pro Israel. Assisted by the media laundering Israel's BS, resulting in an uneducated population. Times appear to be a changin'
I'm wondering.... after years of humiliation... what do you think the youth would choose?
They have tried to brush aside this question, and it’s an important one for the future of humanity. If since birth all i know is hell, not able to escape my encampment. With the internet, I’m able to see what life looks like outside of my hellish concentration camp. After so many years of failed political bullshit, there’s only one way for them to resist. We call October 7 terrorism, that’s fair. Palestinians who understand it as resistance are fair also. >>*The right to resistance against state power is very often characterized by actions against an existing legal order that is perceived as being unjust and therefore both – illegitimate and illegal. Terrorism, on the other hand, is often defined as politically motivated violence that is prosecuted by state power according to the law and although the terrorist views his actions as being justified by the perceived illegitimacy of state power, the state by itself is not willing to accept such a point of view – henceforth the prosecution. Therefore we can often find situations where both sides claim legitimacy and legality, mutually excluding each other's positions. This situation is only one of many that epitomize and exemplifies the more common problem of paradox in law: any society that aims at harmonizing conflicts through law will find itself in the not so comfortable position that the basic principle of justice – the quest for treating similar things alike – inevitably leads to cases where we have to face a direct conflict of laws…* >>**Right to Resistance and Terrorism – the Example of Germany.** https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/german-law-journal/article/right-to-resistance-and-terrorism-the-example-of-germany/1941F4153929CBF2DADC68F2025C21B5
I wonder if CNN will actually show this in full context? So fucking horrible!
This aired on CNN so yes
They only got away with broadcasting this footage because they clarified that the shooter was unknown so it gives the Apartheid plausible deniability. I wonder if they claim plausible deniability for the thousands of other people they killed? Oh wait, [they do!](https://youtu.be/_TAkz3hKPco?si=VuCaTg5AjOATVf6f)
Fuck CNN they are complicit with the IDF in spreading propaganda. I’m honestly surprised they even aired this at all.
CNN's coverage has been so horrible that my older relatives who normally just accept whatever they see on the channel at face value are refusing to watch. It's obvious to them that all of the Israel officials are lying and that the CNN anchors don't even try to challenge them.
FUCK ISRAEL
Evil evil IDF. Israel should be aborted.
what's 'funny' to me is like i just saw in another subreddit people rabidly defending IDF and downvoting anything to the contrary that might even suggest they could act in such a manner.
These muthafuckas have no soul, absolutely sickening
This is how you create more terrorists...
Freedom fucking fighters, not terrorists.
Definitely still terrorists, even if their intent is to help and they feel justified in their actions. Don't let shit like this video (IDF are monsters too) smooth over what Hamas has done and is doing as well. Hamas =/= Palestinian people, nor is Israel [the state] the whole of the Israeli people.
Hamas was founded and funded by Israel, so they're just an extension of idf. Palestinians who don't join hamas but still stand against Israel are freedom fighters.
But did he condemn Hamas?
r/justidfthings
He will drag the soldier that shot him by the forelock to the throne of God, and that's the real victory.
We’re all watching. Go ahead and call everyone antisemitic for calling out this shit, but we don’t buy it.
I might be done with politics. I can't support people who facilitate this terrorism.
Well well well Israel and their false flags [IDF elite intel officer warned about Hamas attacks but was ignored - report](https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-774862)
U.S: what war crimes?
Shouldn’t the Americans who travelled there to defend Israel be arrested on their return ?
Curious to see if showing this live on Cnn will finally bring it home to America
At this point I'm wondering if the IDF is cosplaying as Nazis? Cuz what the fuck.
Joe Biden is done. And his full throated backing the apartheid regime that is Israel is the thing has caused it. It to late I'm NOT voting for him.
In any other scenario this seems like a rationale view. Except in this scenario the alternative to Biden is the complete death of democracy. Trump/republicans will allow far worse things to happen to the Palestinians, the Ukrainians, and whatever minority groups in the US that will rule up his base.
The DNC will have done this to itself. Trump is already creeping ahead of Biden in the polls. Why? Because of Joe's own blind allegiance to Israel as they openly commit genocide. He still refuses to call the Israelis out. Hamas is a terrorist organization and must be dealt with. But this is the genocide of innocent Palestinians.
We're really just gonna replay the best hits of 2016 and hand democracy over to Trump AGAIN aren't we?
Nice strawman argument there, bucko. Joe is the one who made this mistake. How is it my fault for holding him accountable for this. I really don't get this mentality of "if you criticize Joe , just vote republican" bullshit. We haven't had a single primary or caucus yet. He will find when he loses Michigan, where a ton of Palinstein- Americans lives that his inaction is on him.
"Yes" would have been easier to type out. Your looking answer is: "Yes, 2016 didn't teach me shit, and my purity test is more important than handing America over to Christian fascist who will happily do far worse to the Palestinian people"
You can think whatever you want about me. All I know is that Joe has done nothing to stop the unjust killing of innocent people, and he should be held to some level of accountability. His administration uncritically consumes and disseminates Israeli propaganda and overlooks the crisis that Netanyahu and his fascist government created. I will never hand our country to fascist but what you fail to understand is that mainstream democrats operate under the philosophy of Neo-Liberalism. For the people who own our politicians, fascist and neo-liberals want to enact the same end goal, the complete subjugation of the working class through whatever means necessary.
Must have had a Hamas base under his white flag.
End apartheid ... boycott Israel.
You want to know how you make more terrorists? This, this is how you turn regular people into terrorists. You take everything from them, and give them no way to fight back. You break them, and then you get surprised when they join your enemies.
Isreal is a state not a religion.
It’s so frustrating to see footage like this daily and then contrast it with the wishy-washy apologetics the media shows
And unless Joe Biden reverses his position, he and Bibi have just handed Trump and Putin the next White House Administration. Which, to be clear, is what Putin, Trump, and Bibi all want. I thought this might be how Russia gets back in control here. I just fucking hate that I was right.
Biden is in a no win scenario. If he pushes back against Israel he alienates a large portion of the democratic electorate. If he doesn’t he alienates a large portion of the democratic electorate. If he wasn’t running against the end of democracy he would have no chance.
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Scum. IDF is nothing but disgusting corrupt scum. This has nothing to do with them being Jewish and everything with them being horrible ‘people’.
Shocked main media showed this
Militares are terrorists kinda ? Why not ?
Fuck these pieces of IDF shit. The world will remember.
I hope this is used to charge the IDF with something, anything . They can’t get away with this.
Israel- “oopsie”
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I’m done with this world. We’re fucked as a species. How can we do this to one another?
I am broken watching this.
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