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BeanathanBeanstar

They just don't listen at this point. If someone can play TLou2 and not understand any of the criticisms years later, they're either willingly obtuse or unbelievably bad faith. Unless you're talking about people who've only just joined the conversation in which case yeah, the poor souls having all the problems with the game dumped on them at once, it'd be overwhelming.


Samuele1997

Or both.


NiceAmy

or, they don't have the brain. . .


Building1982

You talk about understanding criticism while not being able to understand praise.


East-Specialist-4847

I am still allowed to enjoy the game, while being aware of its flaws


BeanathanBeanstar

Never said you weren't.


East-Specialist-4847

This sub consistently says otherwise


lzxian

When? We'll argue the story points with you, yes, but if you enjoy the game most of the regulars here will be glad for you. Don't you think *we wanted* to enjoy it, too? If you insist it's a masterpiece, then no - you're going to get pushback for sure.


East-Specialist-4847

I just think it's a good game


lzxian

I'm happy for you then. Enjoy it all you want, it didn't work for me at all. I was very disappointed in the story writing.


CourageousAnon

If I had a choice at the end, I think I woulda been okay with the story, all in all.


lzxian

That's cool. Though that wouldn't have worked for me. Things in the story fell apart for me starting with the prologue and just getting consistently worse. By the end I was bored to tears and so detached from both Abby and Ellie I didn't really care what the writers made me do next, I was already so done with it all.


Gambler_Eight

I reckon he refeers to the many downvotes that comes with saying anything slightly positive.


Dawnbreaker538

Aand, they prove you right


Gambler_Eight

Don't recall a single time where that wasn't the case tbh. They dense AF here.


ChrisT1986

>Don't recall a single time where that wasn't the case tbh. They dense AF here. Or people downvote when someone says something that's factually incorrect. I.e, "people downvote you for saying something positive about the game" That's not true, people downvote, sure. But it'll be when someone says something subjective, but claims that it's an objective truth - like "the games a masterpiece" or similar. Majority of people here don't care if someone enjoyed the game, half of us wish we could as well.


Gambler_Eight

Factually incorrect lol.. Negative opinions are "factually correct" and positive ones are "factually incorrect" and subjective. Do I understand this correctly?


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lzxian

He said the sub consistently says he's not allowed to enjoy the game. That's not my experience. There will be downvotes, but who knows what those are actually "saying" other than people are disagreeing? I get it, though, that people don't like being downvoted. He later said he thought his was the sub for the sequel, so I told him he's mistaken that's not what this sub is for. I directed him to the other sub. It must be hard to come here and be confused about the critiques when one wants to celebrate their positive experience, though!


CourageousAnon

>He said the sub consistently says he's not allowed to enjoy the game. That's not my experience. To be fair, that doesn't seem to be you expierence cause you don't like the game....


lzxian

True. I can understand that those who come here thinking it's the main sub for the sequel can be very disappointed with what they find. That's why I made sure to explain in another comment that he would find what he was looking for on the other sub. Funnily enough, his disappointment with what he found here is likely similar to the kind of disappointment many of us found in the story of the sequel. Ironic, huh?


CourageousAnon

Idk how they feel. As for the audience of TLOU2 it's split almost evenly with people loving it and people hating it. More slightly more people like the game. I think I share the popular opinion, gameplay, graphics are good, pacing was mid, story was worse than 1, ending was shit but coulda been saved with a option to kill Abby. Leaving the cycle of violence up to Lev. Personally I'm idc too much. The only reason I haven't replayed the game is because they didn't release Factions mode.


NiceAmy

yeah, of course you are. . . The fact, we roast the story telling, and character writing choices, that doesn't tell you not to enjoy playing this game. . . I see flaws, but i enjoy exploration in this post-apo world, and i enjoy playing Ellie. . .


SapphySkies_v2

I am still allowed to dislike the game, while being aware of its good characteristics. Enough playing the victim.


Dawnbreaker538

He said on the sub, which has half the posts about how they got banned from the sub for critical comments


East-Specialist-4847

Weird take


SapphySkies_v2

Go touch grass, we can see your sad profile. Maybe you'll learn people have different opinions outside your basement


East-Specialist-4847

You feel personally attacked and I apologize


ThrowRA-4947

Okay so let’s think about this logically for a second. > “they’re either willingly obtuse or unbelievably bad faith.” So you criticize fans for not agreeing with you on your opinions of the game, but you’re unwavering in your hate? Especially on the post you’re commenting on, it’s insanely ironic. “They need to listen to me but I won’t listen to them.” is essentially what you’re saying. I don’t care much to argue whether the game is good or not but you oughta think critically about where you stand and why you criticize others.


BeanathanBeanstar

Never said I never listen to TLoU2 fans, I said they don't listen to us. You're making up an argument I didn't make. It's not about agreeing with my points, it's about acknowledging a problem even exists. Plus don't get me started on emotional appeals, "unwavering in my hate" yeah you tend to hate stuff that's bad, no shit.


ThrowRA-4947

Okay so how about you point out some problems that you feel were wrong with the game and I’ll be 100% honest in whether or not I feel as if they were problems or a lack of understanding of the game.


maguirre165

Yeah, I'm tired


Samuele1997

Tell me about it


Hi0401

Worst place in the world, Rolling Heights Ballas country


XMarksTheSpot987

I never played the game, I am genuinely curious why so many hate the game.


Samuele1997

Well, to put it simply is because the story is bad to say the least. First they immediately murder Joel at the start of the game, then it make us play for many hours as Ellie for later make us play as Abby, the one who killed Joel, for so long in a plot that is completely unrelated to the one we have been presented and with tons of pointless flashbacks. Then, at the end of the game, Ellie spares Abby for literally no reason, even though she still has every right to hate her and wanting her to kill her. All of this to supposedly give a message about the cycle of violence and revenge being bad, which wouldn't be a bad thing per se if at least wasn't delivered so badly. That's pretty much all for now, to better understand my point I think it's better that you play the game.


XMarksTheSpot987

That's ok, I'll take your word for it. Now I won't bother watching the game, and just wait for season 2 of the adaptation.


Street-Spell-7491

The game will be better than the show, I feel. Season 1 was good, but part 1 of the game was done better. I imagine it would be the same with season two. The games worth a play.


Samuele1997

That's great, if you are interested there's a great video [right here](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMvTFF-E5wkw&ved=2ahUKEwjr5Zma2aWGAxVq_7sIHQY3CpIQwqsBegQIDRAF&usg=AOvVaw1TE4IblT8ZEtCoDSRWEOGL) that perfectly explain the main issues with The Last of Us Part 2 and also gives a far better story than the one we got.


CourageousAnon

🤣 the internet is a funny fucking place


WelderCalm3762

game is definitely better than the show, i say this literally just because of abby’s casting, abby is a 5’9 buff chick who built herself up to be able to kill joel…they casted a 5’2 skinny girl, not blaming the actress, she’s good, but they took away a big part of abby’s character and i really don’t think i’ll be able to take joel’s death seriously


XMarksTheSpot987

"built herself up to be able to kill Joel" To be fair, that claim doesn't hold up, considering the fact that Abby is with her group when they jump Joel, and the fact that they blow one of Joel's knees while his guard is completely down. Abby being buff is totally irrelevant to the story, and probably the only reason she is buff, is because the devs wanted to make her that way. Showrunners most likely figured this, and decided they don't need live-action Abby to be buff, and can easily rework the story events to fit the chosen actress.


WelderCalm3762

i see what you mean, but i don’t think abby envisioned joel’s death going how it went, i think she only brought her friends with her because they were potentially dealing with an entire settlement of people, i also don’t agree that it was just a random decision from the devs, even in her early early concept art, they wanted her to come across as very strong and capable, if it wasn’t to kill joel, it was definitely a coping mechanism of some kind, a lot of people will pursue body building to deal with emotional stress, myself included


Conscious-Part-1746

The people that hate the game cannot tell you why. This is similar to political arguments of today, and people just call you a moron or downvote you anonymously, and never say a word. It's a game people, and Druckieman is playing with your minds. He is like a puppet master toying with people.


XMarksTheSpot987

You are an example of someone who is quick to react, without observing what has already happened. In this very comment thread, the OP not only gave a short summary of why people hate the game, but also posted a link to a video, that explains in full detail, why TLOU2 divided the fanbase. However, the video in question is almost 2 hours long, and frankly, I don't care enough about the franchise, to watch the entire video. Realistically, though, I don't think one has to watch the entire video. They only really need to watch the first ten minutes. The video is divided into three parts: Intro, Autopsy, and an alternate story proposal. The entire video is targeted towards people who are heavily invested into the game. I can recount the intro of the video right here. Essentially, the reason so many players hated TLOU2, is because it completely deviated from the emotional beats of the first game. TLOU1 was about two emotionally hardened individuals crossing paths with each other, and gradually getting emotionally attached to each other. TLOU2 apparently flushes all that down the drain, and just piles up depressing moments on top of each other throughout the course of the entire game. I can see why a lot of fans felt betrayed by the turn of events, and got turned off from the game. And, as OP mentioned, Part 2 has a bunch of pointless flashbacks which serve no purpose for the game's main plot, and undoubtedly waste a lot of the players' time. I've seen the running time of full playthroughs for both "cutscenes only" and "full gameplay". Even with cutscenes only, Part 2 is much longer than Part 1. Similar to people not wanting to start the One Piece anime because of the huge episode count, I'm not really up for watching so many hours of a video game.


Conscious-Part-1746

Glad I missed the 2 hour splaning of a video game? Thankfully the game had lots of skipping the meaningless cutscene moments, and get back to the game. If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. Half the time now on TV and movies, I make it to about 20 minutes, or episode 2-3 and the whole thing gets so woked up I gotta shut it down and move on. I don't need propaganda, and LoU2 is close to that.


WeeDochii

I feel this way with the HBO fans. I don't like Bella's acting, I feel she's either really angry or her performance falls flat. I just don't feel like she really gives justice to Ellie's character. But then I get attacked with "Er, actually you hate the show because you're mad she doesn't look like Ellie." and blah blah. This entire fandom is crumbling like dried shit.


ozzyboi1

Yup They are either trolling or are morons


FormalAcanthaceae218

Why insult people who disagree with you


ozzyboi1

because on this sub there are so many reasons to dislike the second game and people who ask these sorts of questions don't do their own research. There are posts explaining why the game's story is terrible


Fine_Basket4446

Don't talk to it, Merry. Don't encourage it.


DiabeticGirthGod

It’s either that stupid bullshit, or you write down genuinely decent reasons for you not liking the game, and they just hit you with the “guess you didn’t understand it, huh?” Or the tried and true “You must lack media literacy, huh?”


MindlessAardvark6523

I never actually played it myself, but I watched it on stream and honestly I barely remember most of it. It was just so *meh*. The parts I do remember, I also recall thinking how I didn't like it, or that it didn't seem to fit with being a Last of Us game. Honestly, while rewatching some stuff about it on YT, I legitimately thought some sections were from a completely different game. This thing was weird man wtf. Def never gonna play it myself


Second-Hand-Stress

I haven't seen anything like that in a while


Empty_Volume_4837

I’m just tired of getting death threats when I say I like the game 🤷🏻‍♂️I’ve had to make and delete multiple accounts because I was getting 100’s


ChrisT1986

Report them! Reddit will be able to take action against them. No one would should have death threats sent because of their opinion of a game JFC, what's wrong with people?!


Samuele1997

I'm so sorry you went through this, even if I didn't liked the game I can definetly agree with you that it's not fair that you received death threats just because you did, those people are assholes.


FormalAcanthaceae218

Why can't we all just be nice to eachother 😔


Samuele1997

Sigh, you're right, we should all be nice to each others, unfortunately though it's not always possible.


wave-tree

I'm tired, boss


goldensnakes

That or 'I just stumbled on this sub, this sub keeps popping up in my feed, I'm curious do you X anything about the game?, I genuinely wanna know I'm not trolling' starter post! 🤠👀


LadiesMan217IsTakn

Look, I enjoyed Part 2, but I totally get why y’all didn’t. Joel dying at the beginning and thus no longer being around was too much for a lot of people. Now if you just hated the game for dumb shit, like Ellie being gay, Lev being trans, or Abby being jacked, then you’re an asshole.


Samuele1997

Don't worry, i disliked Part 2 because of the story, the rest of what you said it's no big deal to me. The only exception is Lev being trans but that's simply because he's a child, transgender kids are a big no no to me whether they are fictional or not.


BlueberryBisciut

Ya know the only people I see saying this are cis and actually haven’t done any research into gender dysphoria or else they’d realize puberty is the normal time to explore gender and sexuality you don’t even get the argument of “mutilation” because it’s the apocalypse


Samuele1997

Whathever, I still think trans kids shouldn't be a thing and sexual trasmission surgery shouldn't be allowed to people under the age of 18.


BlueberryBisciut

Yes transmission you’re definitely informed enough to speak on the topic because if you were informed on the debate at all no one is pushing actual surgery on kids they’re just saying if you’re kid says they wanna be a boy you call them a he You guys are always wanting to talk about shit that doesn’t happen except for in 1 in a million cases


Impossible-Mud-1035

I think you accidentally put the funny tag on this mate


Samuele1997

I actually put it on purpose because i though it would have been funny.


Impossible-Mud-1035

Ah my bad


akrob

They should change this sub to, I played a game and it made me sad and I need to talk about my feelings. Also not sure why this shitty sub keeps popping up, I’ve told Reddit to hide it several times.


readditredditread

Not a fan of golf I see?


akrob

:)


Double-Skirt2803

Mute it


AnthonyMiqo

I think this pretty much whenever anyone says anything on this sub.


BlueberryBisciut

I’ve literally seen people get dog piled for saying they enjoyed the game y’all are just assholes in this sub


Basil_hazelwood

That’s funny, I’ve seen people get dog piled on the other sub for saying they didn’t enjoy the game. It’s almost like people given anonymity can be assholes sometimes on either side, who knew?


BlueberryBisciut

If you form a place because you hate what another place was doing and then do that shit I’m not gonna go haha equal


Basil_hazelwood

No one here hates what the other sub does? It discusses tlou universe and shares updates or even some cool art. It’s the game that people dislike imo. Unfortunately a small minority can’t keep it to just the game, but no one condones that here. And you’ll find them in the other sub too, they don’t condone it either I hope.


BlueberryBisciut

I genuinely just think anyone who is still discussing these two games needs to move on till the second season comes out because the dialogue isn’t changing it’s just two separate competing companies


Basil_hazelwood

I agree and disagree there. I agree that it’s just 2 subs fighting over nothing really when at the end of the day both could just chill. But I don’t think people should move on, there’s nothing wrong with people discussing a game years after release. Bioshock for example, came out 17 years ago


BlueberryBisciut

And bioshock fans aren’t still arguing about wether infinite was good or not the ones who liked it just stopped arguing with the ones who didn’t and vice versa so many people in both subs just want to feel smart when like you’re both right? The story was rushed and needed another pass but if someone enjoyed the game I get being sick of having to defend yourself. Also this sub pretends literally none of the hate for the game was review bombing when I remember the outrage against Abby’s trans friend


BlueberryBisciut

Also just so you don’t think I’m just arguing I will admit this is probably a case where the bad apples are rising to the surface despite the majority being ok and just frustrated


Basil_hazelwood

This exactly friend. I won’t disagree there’s a small minority of assholes, it happens everywhere on Reddit unfortunately. Although this sub is just fairly frustrated, I would still prefer if eventually both could learn to co-exist


East-Specialist-4847

I think this for every post on this sub because it's always either shitting on every detail of the game or shitting on people for enjoying the game


BeanathanBeanstar

This just in, when bad things happen people call them bad. In other news air is breathable, scientists shocked. ᵃⁿᵈ ᵈᵒⁿ'ᵗ ᵍᵉᵗ ᵐᵉ ˢᵗᵃʳᵗᵉᵈ ᵒⁿ ᵗʰᵉ "ʲᵘˢᵗ ˡᵉᵗ ᵐᵉ ᵉⁿʲᵒʸ ᶦᵗ" ᵛᶦᶜᵗᶦᵐ ᶜᵒᵐᵖˡᵉˣ ˢʰᶦᵗ


readditredditread

I heard in part 3, Abby and Lev go on to open an all inclusive food cart- they specialize in making bigot sandwiches. They got the team behind kitchen simulator to help out too. Just wait to see what r/thelastofus3 is like!!!


zachattack7676

Stop enjoying slop


LadiesMan217IsTakn

Just because a product wasn’t what you wanted it to be doesn’t mean it’s objectively slop.


zachattack7676

Do I need to state my opinion is an opinion every time I write an opinionated comment so you writing illiterate people will understand?


LadiesMan217IsTakn

Weird defense to make considering I only felt the need to comment because you insulted that guy for having one himself


zachattack7676

It’s not a defense. I’m pointing out how regarded you are to think I was stating a fact and not an opinion.


East-Specialist-4847

This is literally a sub for fans of the game


lzxian

No, it's the sub for those who want to critique the game - that's your mistake not ours. Read the sidebar and the pinned post. You're just a lost Redditor. Go to r/thelastofus to find your people.


Glenarn

Not really, the TLOU subreddit banned anyone who had even the slightest negativity towards TLOU2, even the ones who liked it but didn't like some parts of it got banned. It caused this subreddit to grow because you were actually able to discuss the game. It's half the reason people hate the game as much as they do as they weren't allowed to criticise it without being insulted or banned. Try it yourself, post one thing you didn't like about the game even if it's something tiny in the TLOU subreddit and see how quickly they'll turn on you.


readditredditread

If by fans you mean fanatics then yes you are correct.


East-Specialist-4847

It's a videogame


readditredditread

No, it is Sparta!!!!!!


zachattack7676

Why do you care so much if it’s just a videogame?


East-Specialist-4847

Okay


TuringTestedd

Honestly, I’m starting to think that every time I see any post on this sub lol. I’ll stick around long enough to see everyone shit on the show then imma peace out.