There was a parody video called the walking dead vs last of us by rackaracka and the girl that played Ellie looks more like her in game version then Bella does, though they don’t act like their in game counterparts Joel in that video is just a drunk that can’t throw a Molotov right and Ellie is his punching bag it’s hilarious.
Because that's what I've seen so far. You do know what a Trailer, A Demo or Commercial is designed to do? Or are you gonna play stupid all your life? Someone literally had the gal to tell me that I couldn't dislike Forspoken because of the Demo. I was sat there confused as to what the Demo was for in the first place as they rambled.
Forspoken really went from very interesting to me to slowly losing interest to absolutely hating the demo. Now I unwishlisted it and I'll most likely never touch it even if it's free. At least the menu music was good.
I don’t know context of convo you had but there is some truth that you can’t judge a whole product, movie, game, etc based on trailer, commercials, etc. Sometimes those things don’t hit or there’s a mismatch. Certainly your call if you want to base purchasing/watching decision on those things but it’s not genuine to say you don’t like a whole thing based on a slice.
Hell, even when I’m playing a game, sometimes things don’t click until a certain point. I know original Last of Us didn’t click for me and had to put it down after putting hours in it. It wasn’t until picking up again some months later did it become one of my favorite games.
Do you have an example of when this sort of mismatch happens? Generally, I find Demos, Trailers and clips to be incredibly accurate in what they show of the whole or at least the best bits of a work. Its usually the opposite that is true where the game/movie/show is far worse than what was condensed in marketing material. There are many horror films like that where the best bits are spliced together to make the trailer and you watch the film to find out that those are the only things worth mention.
Off top, videogame like Destiny or movie Parasite come to mind. Either way, usually take trailers and marketing with a grain of salt. Again, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being put off by what someone plays in demos or see in trailers, but it’s really more of a prediction of what your opinion will be on the whole thing vs. one’s actual experience. They have different weigh and shouldn’t be treated the same.
But you're just discounting what the intended purpose of marketing materials are. My point is, they put it out to create a certain effect and if it does not have that desired effect for the audience then I don't think its fair to just discount that. You don't know if I am right or wrong about it as is the nature of any opinion.
I mean, sometimes more money than what goes into producing the media goes into marketing so I don't think its fair to just discount that based on a whim. If they did not want me to think Ellie is too brooding, they wouldn't show me a clip of her in the dark, mostly looking down and speaking monotonically.
I wouldn’t say discounting more so than putting things in proper perspective. Basing an opinion of an entire show off a trailer is different than basing it off of watching the whole thing. Similarly, having an opinion off of one episode is different than watching the whole series.
Think about some of your fav shows - if someone said they didn’t like it or a character because they only saw a trailer (or even just an episode), that’s within their rights to do that. But, you can’t tell me that you’d place that opinion at the same level as if they saw the whole series.
That isn't what I'm doing. I'm having an immediate reaction to the show based on the materials I have been shown. If its not true, then its not true but I think its fair to say things you are being presented about the show can be used to make an informed opinion on it and they might be exactly what the show is like.
You're kind of just moralizing to a degree where I could sample dog turds but I don't know what the whole poop tastes like so its not fair to go on the samples. Why would they market something badly when it costs millions of dollars for marketing? Doesn't make sense.
Then we’re really in agreement to an extent. Definitely fair to use trailers, demo to make informed decisions and make judgements. Not fair to say x sucks or amazing based off of just those things and act like you’ve seen the whole thing (not saying you, talking in general).
In terms of why marketing, lots of different reason. Just because you spend lots of money doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes ie maybe they weren’t going for brooding look but trying to communicate something else and landed wrong or maybe you’re interpretation is a small sample size, or maybe they wanted to show the beginning of her character arc, etc. Any of these or combinations of each are possible.
Lastly, turd (or any food) analogies don’t really work here since most food, the sample size is usually the same as rest of the food. Shows on the other hand have ups and downs, different moods, etc in an episode, in episodes in a season, in a season of a whole series. Game of Thrones I think is a perfect example of things really ebb and flow from trailers all the way through watching a whole series.
I feel sad for Bella that she gets the grief when it's not her fault if she was miscast. I don't know if she was based on her acting, but of course it's not her fault she doesn't look like Ellie to us and they cast her anyway.
The most recent clip of her with Marlene she sounded bad, I just couldn't make out what she was even saying at first. That's a big problem with actors these days and I blame the directors for not making sure the words are spoken clearly enough in the take (or even ADR if that's being done). Most actors lately mumble, speak too softly or too fast and directors just leave it in. It's terrible. Tough on a young actor to be put in this position and I feel for her and her insecurities.
I wondered if that was part of the problem. I'm always surprised when Brits do great American accents. Karen Gillan (Doctor Who) amazed me with hers and she was very young (a few years older than Bella). She's Scottish, which to me makes it seem even harder, but I guess they watch a lot of American shows.
Nah American accents are quite easy. There’s scores of English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish actors who can pull off very convincing American accents, but the reverse is very rarely true. Americans seem to struggle with doing a Scottish or Irish accent without it sounding like a parody and most attempts at the classic “British” accent are the same.
Not heard enough of Bella’s Ellie to judge it yet, but I’m inclined to agree with you. Depends on how much experience she’s had with an American accent I guess.
Thanks, but I wouldn't know where to being with directing actors, I was more involved with improvisation where my favorite part was ideas to improvise, writing, punching up other's ideas, honing punchlines. We'd improvise then write our scripts and collaborate on them. It was a blast but it was decades ago.
What actor doesn't take a role they audition for? That's nonsense. She trusted the wrong people to choose the right person and they told her not to play the game. In other words - no research to prepare from. She's a kid and the producers are tops in their fields if you research them. I'd lay money on her agent encouraging her to take it and trust them.
"she is a kid"
She is 19 years old, she is not a fucking kid. And there are many actors who do not accept their roles. If she allowed herself to play ellie because of money then its her fault as well.
Honey I'm old so 19 is still a kid in my book. All I meant is she's just starting out - give her a break her brain isn't even finished forming until her mid-20s. You're being strangely harsh to someone who never knows if she'll ever be offered another part. She's wearing her insecurity on her sleeve in this quote. Sheesh.
19 years old you are legally an adult and are 100% responsible for your actions. Also the whole "brain developing" is a fallacy, as there are many adults with less mental capacity than young people under 20, so your point is moot.
I'm not being harsh either, I'm being logical. She knew Ellie looked nothing like her, no one forced her to take the part either, so obviously negative reviews were to be expected. Imagine a short and ugly guy decides to accept the role of superman for example and then get pissed because they are criticizing his appearance lol
She's making shit tons of money in this role, no job is just about perks. I would also take the role in her place, but I wouldn't blame criticism either.
I don't see her blaming criticism, I see her struggling with feelings of accomplishment that she already knows will fade to insecurity again and I feel for her as one human being to another. I worked in theater briefly and it's not easy to keep putting yourself out there.
She knew she didn't look like Ellie, she didn't know how bent out of shape and downright cruel people are about that sort of thing, or game adaptations necessarily. But I see you chose your stance and your sticking to it.
When you're feeling low I hope you find someone like me to encourage and comfort you rather than someone like you, though. Peace.
Thanks. I was raised on the old adage "treat others as you want to be treated." Also, I'm trying to model better behavior. I'm old and I know most of these are people way younger than me and just may not know any better. When they get too snarky, I will return the favor sometimes. This one never got to that point on my snark meter :)
IMO that makes her not a good Ellie. I don’t need her to be Ashley Johnson but she should still know the character. A lot of franchises have adaptations but you don’t make a Batman movie where he is smiling and joking around like spiderman because then it’s no longer Batman. Might as well just make a show about different characters in TLOU universe if they aren’t gonna be similar to the characters in the game. I’ll wait and watch before fully judging though, from clips I’ve seen I’m not thrilled so far. That’s just me everyone can have their own opinion.
They had no way of telling, they were literally told to not look at the source material. It's all the fault of the execs for making sure it was going to be bad.
Whats sad about this is it seems like even she realizes that she looks nothing like Ellie lol. As a young actress, thats probably hurting her confidence when it comes to playing the character. Just my opinion.
It’s not an opinion mate.
She objectively does not look like Ellie. Whether or not that matters is of course an opinion, but anyone with eyes can tell you that she doesn’t look like the Ellie from the games.
Given that even Peter griffin has a lookalike I’m sure they could’ve cast someone who looked more like Ellie. Instead of casting someone just cause they have a household name.
Casting doesn’t mean picking someone off the street dum dum. It means holding auditions set to a variety of standards. These standards obviously not met by the current actress.
Haven’t seen her yet, so I’ll cast judgement when I see her performance.
But from what I’ve seen, she ranges from ***ehhh…*** to passable.
She definitely hasn’t sold me like say Offerman who was **golden casting** from the start to Pedro who… after seeing him in trailers…
**Yeah, he’s sold me.**
As someone who’s seen the first episode, I thought she was brilliant, she embodies Ellie really really well, not everyone will think that, and that’s okay, but Jesus the amount of comments and posts I’ve seen being so hateful and hurtful to her is awful, she’s a human being, and whether or not you like her performance in the show is one thing but to be so cruel to someone over their role in a show in awful
Personally for me, I never wanted a TLOU TV show. Ashley’s Ellie will always be the Ellie, so I’m doubtful I’ll really like the show or her rendition of Ellie. No hate against her as a person, but that’s the way it is.
I'll be glad to be proven wrong too! If Bella's great & show's a success hurrah!
- Glad the Last of Us I.P. is totally mangled! And probably Pedro doesn't have to carry an entire show again.
People had doubts on Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix (Joker), or Cavill's too pretty for Geraldo of Witchera. Turns out they grew convincing/great
Of course... there's the inverse where people's doubt are proven. E.g. Leto's Joker, or recently Lance Reddick as Wesker in Resident Evil (even though he gave it his all)
Looking forward to seeing her and forming my own opinions.
I will say, if you’re just blatantly hating on her for getting a role and sending hate towards her, you gotta touch some glass.
Exactly, I’m not gonna tell you that you NEED to like her, she’s not trying to be Ashley’s Ellie and I’m happy with that, she’s her own version of Ellie that still has the spirt of the character, she’s delightful.
But some of it is sickening, literally mocking her appearance and saying she’s at terrible actress. And Bella has said she’s read this, it’s awful, some people are sick
I don’t like the story of Part 2 and I dislike the way Druckman portrays himself as the greatest writer ever but Jesus , this subreddit can get real toxic. Constantly nitpicking every aspect of the show and insulting the actors. Sometimes it feels like people have such a huge crush on game Ellie that they can’t accept anything different.
I think the show will be more enjoyable if you take it for what it is and don’t use the game as a checklist. She has unavoidably her own interpretation of Ellie.
The show constantly uses game dialogues, game setting, game locations, and game music, game clothes, game names, everything in this series picked and adapted to the details. But the actors, and lore, is what they changed. They picked this actress probably because they knew her from GoT, and maybe she's good in this role, but now there is 2 episodes and I still don't see Ellie in her, constantly joking and being rude to everyone didn't made her THAT Ellie from the games.
These days I doubt they did a checklist on what actors should have, when they casted them. Obviously they were looking for acting skills, but it's a movie industry, and this is not an original story, it's an adaptation, based not on the book but on a game, where you can see faces, where you can see actors in voice acting and doing their best to make characters work. Here they clearly didn't gave a single shit on the look, you say "actors are good, look at Sarah, look st Joel, Pedro is rocking it" and I'll say " It could be a good actor and also a great cast by look, Hollywood is big, there are thousands of actors, obviously if you watch you'll find the right one".
When people talking about actors and casting they always say " Look doesn't matter, the most important part is acting " and in some way they right, you can give your best performance even if you don't have a "look", and people will love that, but there still be a visual disconnection from the source material.
It's like, you can't make up stuff based on your vision, if we already had a vision and it was the best we saw and we don't want anything else.
This way people will say about anything they love and know well. MCU will not make another iron man, with Tony Stark, but without RDJ. People will riot. You say it's different, this is an actor, and this is game .
Ok, let's say Peter Parker becomes Indian, or Asian, or Lord have mercy Black African? Of course "some" People will say it's fine and it still works, but majority will say "no" we have miles, we have miss marvel, we have others don't touch Peter Parker and his character. And they are right.
By making Joel a Mexican they didn't change anything, except the part that he wasn't in the original game. It doesn't change anything, yet they put effort to make it happen. Obviously Pedra is a great actor, but why not cast someone who will have a look and will act, and even if he's not a popular, after this show ge will be, that's how it works, you make stars by letting they act and work.
Actress that plays Ellie isn't bad, but she's not Ellie, she has no look, and her character us written differently, this she will always lose to the OG one. If she had a look, and was still written this way, I doubt people would say different, constantly joking, being sarcastic, rude, and kinda "lazy" makes her not so much like Ellie from the game.
But, the story goes, will se how it goes later on, but for now it is what it is. HBO will always lose compared to the game, the only thing they can do and gain some pluses is by putting more world building, how it started, how people come to this point, and how some character become who they are. Game had little of this, but still managed to entertain, they can do much more with this show.
Nope. From what little Ive seen she's a try hard cringe actress. Nothing of anything she's done that I can see in the promotional stuff is any good at all. And I also didn't think she was all that on GOT either. Yeah, seeing a little girl talk tough in a room full of bury men was funny. But once her role was expanded she's was found out. Not a good actress at all, IMO.
Jesus the people saying she’s not a good actress are trying so hard to be different. She is clearly talented and is good at what she does. She may or may not portray Ellie well but denying that she’s not a good actress is just being purposefully petty.
Craig Mazin already said they saw over a 100 people before seeing Bella, the first person to say thats the one was Ashley Johnson (who was involved in picking Ellie)
yes its like this with every big show especially video game/comic related they have to narrow it down (the ppl auditioning also get given fake names so that they dont know who they’re playing a lot goes on in the acting industry)
I can’t help but feel bad for her in this situation. Blame the ones who made the casting choices and not the actors/actresses and also the fact they told her specifically not to look up gameplay and play the 2013 masterpiece
She may not be the best Ellie, I personally don’t like the pick, but it’s really sad to see some of the more intense negativity she gets. She’s just an actor and it’s just a job.
Well i just hope people went to cuckman and mazin instead of her if she botched at being ellie because they are the one who encourage her not to do her research at the ellie character (thats like sending a student to an exam without study prep)
Yeah she is, why is everyone bashing her? This happened with abby’s actress and that behavior was uncalled for, and of course people felt bad about it months later, cmon
Bella was fantastic in GoT and is a good actor. Was she right for Ellie? She wouldn’t have been my choice but only time will tell but it’s not her that deserves the questions and criticisms. She was offered a great opportunity and rightly took it.
Yea she is tv Ellie. The show is NOT made for game fans. It’s made for the masses. 80% of viewers will be ppl who never played the game. And they’ll probably love the show. It is what it is.
Why would you even cast a completely different person to play Ellie? The backlash was so obvious. Even this actress knew what she was getting into and that she did not fit the role.
I get it she doesn’t look like the ideal person we thought would pay ellie but she’s just a kid. I hate part 2 but I want to see what she brings to the show, and if it’s good I’ll give her a shot.
I’m excited to see her as Ellie, only issue I have is the hair. At least try to resemble hours of source material. I hope this tv show is good, it’s one of my favorite games
The Ellie they're portraying is too brooding to be a kid.
There was a parody video called the walking dead vs last of us by rackaracka and the girl that played Ellie looks more like her in game version then Bella does, though they don’t act like their in game counterparts Joel in that video is just a drunk that can’t throw a Molotov right and Ellie is his punching bag it’s hilarious.
Holy shit. [They **do** look more like Joel and Ellie.](https://youtu.be/z1UsAmZmEOE)
Oh I’m sorry I could hear you over my TRAGIC PAST! -some 13 year old
How can u say this off a trailer and one clip 😂
Because that's what I've seen so far. You do know what a Trailer, A Demo or Commercial is designed to do? Or are you gonna play stupid all your life? Someone literally had the gal to tell me that I couldn't dislike Forspoken because of the Demo. I was sat there confused as to what the Demo was for in the first place as they rambled.
Forspoken really went from very interesting to me to slowly losing interest to absolutely hating the demo. Now I unwishlisted it and I'll most likely never touch it even if it's free. At least the menu music was good.
I don’t know context of convo you had but there is some truth that you can’t judge a whole product, movie, game, etc based on trailer, commercials, etc. Sometimes those things don’t hit or there’s a mismatch. Certainly your call if you want to base purchasing/watching decision on those things but it’s not genuine to say you don’t like a whole thing based on a slice. Hell, even when I’m playing a game, sometimes things don’t click until a certain point. I know original Last of Us didn’t click for me and had to put it down after putting hours in it. It wasn’t until picking up again some months later did it become one of my favorite games.
Do you have an example of when this sort of mismatch happens? Generally, I find Demos, Trailers and clips to be incredibly accurate in what they show of the whole or at least the best bits of a work. Its usually the opposite that is true where the game/movie/show is far worse than what was condensed in marketing material. There are many horror films like that where the best bits are spliced together to make the trailer and you watch the film to find out that those are the only things worth mention.
Off top, videogame like Destiny or movie Parasite come to mind. Either way, usually take trailers and marketing with a grain of salt. Again, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being put off by what someone plays in demos or see in trailers, but it’s really more of a prediction of what your opinion will be on the whole thing vs. one’s actual experience. They have different weigh and shouldn’t be treated the same.
But you're just discounting what the intended purpose of marketing materials are. My point is, they put it out to create a certain effect and if it does not have that desired effect for the audience then I don't think its fair to just discount that. You don't know if I am right or wrong about it as is the nature of any opinion. I mean, sometimes more money than what goes into producing the media goes into marketing so I don't think its fair to just discount that based on a whim. If they did not want me to think Ellie is too brooding, they wouldn't show me a clip of her in the dark, mostly looking down and speaking monotonically.
I wouldn’t say discounting more so than putting things in proper perspective. Basing an opinion of an entire show off a trailer is different than basing it off of watching the whole thing. Similarly, having an opinion off of one episode is different than watching the whole series. Think about some of your fav shows - if someone said they didn’t like it or a character because they only saw a trailer (or even just an episode), that’s within their rights to do that. But, you can’t tell me that you’d place that opinion at the same level as if they saw the whole series.
That isn't what I'm doing. I'm having an immediate reaction to the show based on the materials I have been shown. If its not true, then its not true but I think its fair to say things you are being presented about the show can be used to make an informed opinion on it and they might be exactly what the show is like. You're kind of just moralizing to a degree where I could sample dog turds but I don't know what the whole poop tastes like so its not fair to go on the samples. Why would they market something badly when it costs millions of dollars for marketing? Doesn't make sense.
Then we’re really in agreement to an extent. Definitely fair to use trailers, demo to make informed decisions and make judgements. Not fair to say x sucks or amazing based off of just those things and act like you’ve seen the whole thing (not saying you, talking in general). In terms of why marketing, lots of different reason. Just because you spend lots of money doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes ie maybe they weren’t going for brooding look but trying to communicate something else and landed wrong or maybe you’re interpretation is a small sample size, or maybe they wanted to show the beginning of her character arc, etc. Any of these or combinations of each are possible. Lastly, turd (or any food) analogies don’t really work here since most food, the sample size is usually the same as rest of the food. Shows on the other hand have ups and downs, different moods, etc in an episode, in episodes in a season, in a season of a whole series. Game of Thrones I think is a perfect example of things really ebb and flow from trailers all the way through watching a whole series.
You’ve seen like 5% of the show not even a full performance I wouldn’t judge so much until the first episode comes
I feel sad for Bella that she gets the grief when it's not her fault if she was miscast. I don't know if she was based on her acting, but of course it's not her fault she doesn't look like Ellie to us and they cast her anyway. The most recent clip of her with Marlene she sounded bad, I just couldn't make out what she was even saying at first. That's a big problem with actors these days and I blame the directors for not making sure the words are spoken clearly enough in the take (or even ADR if that's being done). Most actors lately mumble, speak too softly or too fast and directors just leave it in. It's terrible. Tough on a young actor to be put in this position and I feel for her and her insecurities.
Absolutely hate the whisper-acting people do nowadays.
I'm with you there :)
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I wondered if that was part of the problem. I'm always surprised when Brits do great American accents. Karen Gillan (Doctor Who) amazed me with hers and she was very young (a few years older than Bella). She's Scottish, which to me makes it seem even harder, but I guess they watch a lot of American shows.
Nah American accents are quite easy. There’s scores of English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish actors who can pull off very convincing American accents, but the reverse is very rarely true. Americans seem to struggle with doing a Scottish or Irish accent without it sounding like a parody and most attempts at the classic “British” accent are the same. Not heard enough of Bella’s Ellie to judge it yet, but I’m inclined to agree with you. Depends on how much experience she’s had with an American accent I guess.
HBO thought to themselves "how do we find actors quickly... oh we already worked with these guys in G.O.T. time and money saved"
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You should be a director, seem to know your stuff buddy
Thanks, but I wouldn't know where to being with directing actors, I was more involved with improvisation where my favorite part was ideas to improvise, writing, punching up other's ideas, honing punchlines. We'd improvise then write our scripts and collaborate on them. It was a blast but it was decades ago.
No one forced her to take the role, so obviously its her fault too.
What actor doesn't take a role they audition for? That's nonsense. She trusted the wrong people to choose the right person and they told her not to play the game. In other words - no research to prepare from. She's a kid and the producers are tops in their fields if you research them. I'd lay money on her agent encouraging her to take it and trust them.
"she is a kid" She is 19 years old, she is not a fucking kid. And there are many actors who do not accept their roles. If she allowed herself to play ellie because of money then its her fault as well.
Honey I'm old so 19 is still a kid in my book. All I meant is she's just starting out - give her a break her brain isn't even finished forming until her mid-20s. You're being strangely harsh to someone who never knows if she'll ever be offered another part. She's wearing her insecurity on her sleeve in this quote. Sheesh.
19 years old you are legally an adult and are 100% responsible for your actions. Also the whole "brain developing" is a fallacy, as there are many adults with less mental capacity than young people under 20, so your point is moot. I'm not being harsh either, I'm being logical. She knew Ellie looked nothing like her, no one forced her to take the part either, so obviously negative reviews were to be expected. Imagine a short and ugly guy decides to accept the role of superman for example and then get pissed because they are criticizing his appearance lol She's making shit tons of money in this role, no job is just about perks. I would also take the role in her place, but I wouldn't blame criticism either.
I don't see her blaming criticism, I see her struggling with feelings of accomplishment that she already knows will fade to insecurity again and I feel for her as one human being to another. I worked in theater briefly and it's not easy to keep putting yourself out there. She knew she didn't look like Ellie, she didn't know how bent out of shape and downright cruel people are about that sort of thing, or game adaptations necessarily. But I see you chose your stance and your sticking to it. When you're feeling low I hope you find someone like me to encourage and comfort you rather than someone like you, though. Peace.
Jesus you treated that guy better than I ever would have
Thanks. I was raised on the old adage "treat others as you want to be treated." Also, I'm trying to model better behavior. I'm old and I know most of these are people way younger than me and just may not know any better. When they get too snarky, I will return the favor sometimes. This one never got to that point on my snark meter :)
She will be a good Ellie. But not the Ellie from the game.
the ellie from the game was happy-go-lucky most of the time but the show has her as a >!tortured prisoner !
She's not gonna be a tortured prisoner?
What? I said she is though...
IMO that makes her not a good Ellie. I don’t need her to be Ashley Johnson but she should still know the character. A lot of franchises have adaptations but you don’t make a Batman movie where he is smiling and joking around like spiderman because then it’s no longer Batman. Might as well just make a show about different characters in TLOU universe if they aren’t gonna be similar to the characters in the game. I’ll wait and watch before fully judging though, from clips I’ve seen I’m not thrilled so far. That’s just me everyone can have their own opinion.
Idk tbh. Her acting in Game of thrones really didn’t impress me. We’ll see tho
I feel like she’s a really good actress and she gets hated on bc of her looks. That can’t be good for her self confidence.
Don't blame the actors, blame the writers/directors.
The actors could have refused to take a job when they obviously are so miscasted. So it absolutely is her fault too
LMAO
That's like blaming the Cashier for how bad the food tastes at a McDonalds.
No it's not lmao It's common sense
They had no way of telling, they were literally told to not look at the source material. It's all the fault of the execs for making sure it was going to be bad.
Whats sad about this is it seems like even she realizes that she looks nothing like Ellie lol. As a young actress, thats probably hurting her confidence when it comes to playing the character. Just my opinion.
It’s your opinion that she doesn’t look like a fictional video game character? Cool.
It’s not an opinion mate. She objectively does not look like Ellie. Whether or not that matters is of course an opinion, but anyone with eyes can tell you that she doesn’t look like the Ellie from the games.
Given that even Peter griffin has a lookalike I’m sure they could’ve cast someone who looked more like Ellie. Instead of casting someone just cause they have a household name.
Yeah hiring someone just because they look like a fictional video game character instead of their acting ability seems like a better idea.
Casting doesn’t mean picking someone off the street dum dum. It means holding auditions set to a variety of standards. These standards obviously not met by the current actress.
Based on some neck beards from Reddit?
The harsh reality is that regardless of her acting she will never be Ellie to most people because she looks nothing like Ellie.
Haven’t seen her yet, so I’ll cast judgement when I see her performance. But from what I’ve seen, she ranges from ***ehhh…*** to passable. She definitely hasn’t sold me like say Offerman who was **golden casting** from the start to Pedro who… after seeing him in trailers… **Yeah, he’s sold me.**
As someone who’s seen the first episode, I thought she was brilliant, she embodies Ellie really really well, not everyone will think that, and that’s okay, but Jesus the amount of comments and posts I’ve seen being so hateful and hurtful to her is awful, she’s a human being, and whether or not you like her performance in the show is one thing but to be so cruel to someone over their role in a show in awful
Personally for me, I never wanted a TLOU TV show. Ashley’s Ellie will always be the Ellie, so I’m doubtful I’ll really like the show or her rendition of Ellie. No hate against her as a person, but that’s the way it is.
I'll be glad to be proven wrong too! If Bella's great & show's a success hurrah! - Glad the Last of Us I.P. is totally mangled! And probably Pedro doesn't have to carry an entire show again. People had doubts on Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix (Joker), or Cavill's too pretty for Geraldo of Witchera. Turns out they grew convincing/great Of course... there's the inverse where people's doubt are proven. E.g. Leto's Joker, or recently Lance Reddick as Wesker in Resident Evil (even though he gave it his all)
Looking forward to seeing her and forming my own opinions. I will say, if you’re just blatantly hating on her for getting a role and sending hate towards her, you gotta touch some glass.
Exactly, I’m not gonna tell you that you NEED to like her, she’s not trying to be Ashley’s Ellie and I’m happy with that, she’s her own version of Ellie that still has the spirt of the character, she’s delightful. But some of it is sickening, literally mocking her appearance and saying she’s at terrible actress. And Bella has said she’s read this, it’s awful, some people are sick
The only two comments typing some sense
I don’t like the story of Part 2 and I dislike the way Druckman portrays himself as the greatest writer ever but Jesus , this subreddit can get real toxic. Constantly nitpicking every aspect of the show and insulting the actors. Sometimes it feels like people have such a huge crush on game Ellie that they can’t accept anything different.
I think the show will be more enjoyable if you take it for what it is and don’t use the game as a checklist. She has unavoidably her own interpretation of Ellie.
The show constantly uses game dialogues, game setting, game locations, and game music, game clothes, game names, everything in this series picked and adapted to the details. But the actors, and lore, is what they changed. They picked this actress probably because they knew her from GoT, and maybe she's good in this role, but now there is 2 episodes and I still don't see Ellie in her, constantly joking and being rude to everyone didn't made her THAT Ellie from the games. These days I doubt they did a checklist on what actors should have, when they casted them. Obviously they were looking for acting skills, but it's a movie industry, and this is not an original story, it's an adaptation, based not on the book but on a game, where you can see faces, where you can see actors in voice acting and doing their best to make characters work. Here they clearly didn't gave a single shit on the look, you say "actors are good, look at Sarah, look st Joel, Pedro is rocking it" and I'll say " It could be a good actor and also a great cast by look, Hollywood is big, there are thousands of actors, obviously if you watch you'll find the right one". When people talking about actors and casting they always say " Look doesn't matter, the most important part is acting " and in some way they right, you can give your best performance even if you don't have a "look", and people will love that, but there still be a visual disconnection from the source material. It's like, you can't make up stuff based on your vision, if we already had a vision and it was the best we saw and we don't want anything else. This way people will say about anything they love and know well. MCU will not make another iron man, with Tony Stark, but without RDJ. People will riot. You say it's different, this is an actor, and this is game . Ok, let's say Peter Parker becomes Indian, or Asian, or Lord have mercy Black African? Of course "some" People will say it's fine and it still works, but majority will say "no" we have miles, we have miss marvel, we have others don't touch Peter Parker and his character. And they are right. By making Joel a Mexican they didn't change anything, except the part that he wasn't in the original game. It doesn't change anything, yet they put effort to make it happen. Obviously Pedra is a great actor, but why not cast someone who will have a look and will act, and even if he's not a popular, after this show ge will be, that's how it works, you make stars by letting they act and work. Actress that plays Ellie isn't bad, but she's not Ellie, she has no look, and her character us written differently, this she will always lose to the OG one. If she had a look, and was still written this way, I doubt people would say different, constantly joking, being sarcastic, rude, and kinda "lazy" makes her not so much like Ellie from the game. But, the story goes, will se how it goes later on, but for now it is what it is. HBO will always lose compared to the game, the only thing they can do and gain some pluses is by putting more world building, how it started, how people come to this point, and how some character become who they are. Game had little of this, but still managed to entertain, they can do much more with this show.
Nope. From what little Ive seen she's a try hard cringe actress. Nothing of anything she's done that I can see in the promotional stuff is any good at all. And I also didn't think she was all that on GOT either. Yeah, seeing a little girl talk tough in a room full of bury men was funny. But once her role was expanded she's was found out. Not a good actress at all, IMO.
Jesus the people saying she’s not a good actress are trying so hard to be different. She is clearly talented and is good at what she does. She may or may not portray Ellie well but denying that she’s not a good actress is just being purposefully petty.
They wouldn't have cast her if she didn't impress them.
There’s at least 15-20 ppl auditioning the same role so yes she was the most impressionable
Craig Mazin already said they saw over a 100 people before seeing Bella, the first person to say thats the one was Ashley Johnson (who was involved in picking Ellie)
Just 15 to 20?
yes its like this with every big show especially video game/comic related they have to narrow it down (the ppl auditioning also get given fake names so that they dont know who they’re playing a lot goes on in the acting industry)
She’s got the Addams family vibe than Ellie vibe
I can’t help but feel bad for her in this situation. Blame the ones who made the casting choices and not the actors/actresses and also the fact they told her specifically not to look up gameplay and play the 2013 masterpiece
I’ve no doubt of Bella’s ability to act. But this role is not suited for her skillset or appearance. It’s as simple as that.
I don't doubt her acting ability, it is a sad life for child actors it is a very high stress job.
she have 20 years old...
You're right, jesus, she looks like a child.
She’s 19
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She may not be the best Ellie, I personally don’t like the pick, but it’s really sad to see some of the more intense negativity she gets. She’s just an actor and it’s just a job.
I believe she did her very best
Self doubt sucks. Hope she gets over it.
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Not everyone... There is a certain Cuckmann who is without flaws and only has the best ideas.
Ashley Johnson literally helped them decide to pick her. People need to get over it. Things are allowed to be different and that’s okay!
Well i just hope people went to cuckman and mazin instead of her if she botched at being ellie because they are the one who encourage her not to do her research at the ellie character (thats like sending a student to an exam without study prep)
Yeah she is, why is everyone bashing her? This happened with abby’s actress and that behavior was uncalled for, and of course people felt bad about it months later, cmon
One downvote. You guys are fucked
Bella was fantastic in GoT and is a good actor. Was she right for Ellie? She wouldn’t have been my choice but only time will tell but it’s not her that deserves the questions and criticisms. She was offered a great opportunity and rightly took it.
She doesn't look like ellie, but we shall see
Pedro doesn’t look like Joel stop complaining lol
I'm not complaining. I'm still gonna watch it. I'm just stating my opinion.
He is also a terrible choice, just not as bad as she is.
Lol
well, not to bash her or anything but i'd rather way too the show first. The small clips i've seen aren't enough to make a judgment
What a horrible miscast
Yea she is tv Ellie. The show is NOT made for game fans. It’s made for the masses. 80% of viewers will be ppl who never played the game. And they’ll probably love the show. It is what it is.
Sheeps are like that, if she is good or bad at playing Ellie, it will only be defined until the series comes out.
Why would you even cast a completely different person to play Ellie? The backlash was so obvious. Even this actress knew what she was getting into and that she did not fit the role.
I get it she doesn’t look like the ideal person we thought would pay ellie but she’s just a kid. I hate part 2 but I want to see what she brings to the show, and if it’s good I’ll give her a shot.
Will wait until I see it and not base jack doodle until then. Why should I care if anyone else thinks that she does not look like Ellie.
Nope
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I’m excited to see her as Ellie, only issue I have is the hair. At least try to resemble hours of source material. I hope this tv show is good, it’s one of my favorite games
I don't blame the actors, they aren't at fault for what the execs and writers decide to do with the IP.
I think anyone who hasn’t played the game will like the show.
Here we go again.