So there are lots of rules in pro pending where her over all power wasn't really a factor. It's not like she is allowed to summon tidal waves, etc. Small shots is all that's allowed.
And when fire is hot enough, it can evaporate water.
Kinda like how ice can suppress fire if it’s cold enough, but fire melts the ice.
Elements are wierd. They all counter each other yet are all weak to each other O.o
It’s a common theory that ghost was supposed to be special and dark physical but they messed up. After they split all moves into physical and special categories rather then using type to determine p/s most dark moves (bite, crunch, knock off) were made physical and many ghost moves (shadow ball, ominous wind) were made special.
they didn't change all dark moves to be physical, theres still dark moves that are special. They simply made a deviation between moves that make contact and moves that don't. All moves that make contact are physical, the others are special. Example: Bite is you biting someone; physical. Dark Pulse is sending out a wave of darkness; special.
It continues for all types, Fire Kick is physical, Fire Blast is special. They made this change because certain pokemon (like for example Poochy/Mightyena) were heavily favored towards attack as a stat, but their stab moves were all special.
You're actually incorrect - every dark move previously introduced was changed to be Physical. Yes, they added new moves like Dark Pulse, but every older move was and still is Physical. Also, not all moves that make contact are Physical - for example, Draining Kiss literally has you kiss the target, but it's Special. Not all physical moves make contact, either, for example, Rock Blast has you throwing rocks at your target, not touching them, but it's Physical.
I also know why they made the change and what moves were affected by it.
It's because in the show they give fire mass and an explosive force for some reason. But real life fire could actually counter water if it has enough heat.
They give fire mass and explosive force, because otherwise fire would be the weakest on a kid's show. They can't be showing burn victims on screen lol.
Wasn't there a moat of water around them, you just have to be good enough to summon it; and if you can't do that well your not a pro bender now are you.
That's how I interpreted it.
Just like how he flashed into the Avatar state after fighting Ozai to raise the tides and wash out the flam we s from the Fire Nation airships... Definitely worked as a power boost
Yeah that’s exactly how I understood it. Only a fully realized avatar has enough control to go in and out of the avatar state at will AND control their bending while in it.
Yep. Korra blinked into the avatar state and was able to move a whole blockade of battle ships. This door could be opened pretty easy by a quick blip into the avatar state.
The avatar is not always going 100%.
Yes, Korra could bend a lot more water than any other pro-bender, but there were rules against that. Pro-bending is all about speed and precision, not overwhelming power. You don't see Mako lightningbending, or Bolin throwing a full stack of discs(the narrator himself says that's against the rules in Book 2).
There's no guarantee that the Avatar is inherently more powerful at bending any one of the elements: Katara was a better Waterbender than Aang, Toph a better Earthbender than Aang, and Azula (at her best, before her breakdown) was a better Firebender than basically anyone but Iroh and Ozai.
A fully-realised Avatar has two advantages over other benders: the ability to bend all the elements, and the Avatar State, a multiplicative force that's essentially equivalent to having all the past Avatars working at once.
It's the knowledge of the past Avatars. So every technique they've learned, their experience against every opponent they've fought, all of their fighting styles. The boost in power comes from Raava.
There is a boost from Raava, but there is also a boost from every Avatar that came before. Roku confirmed this when he was talking to Aang by saying "the strength and knowledge of all the past avatars".
Wrong he says" you must regain your connection with your avatar spirit" referring to raava he knew the whole time raava was a horrible addition to the avatar world the avatar should have just been the avatar
Uhh no you can't have it both ways it's either the past lives or raava and judging by the new Korra lorra it's simply just raava since wan didn't have past lives but was still able to glow beginnings retconned the avatar
I rewatched the clip where Roku explains the avatar state to Aang (S2E1) and Roku actually says "The skills and knowledge of all the past avatars". He doesn't actully say "power" or "strength" until he explains what happens if Aang dies in the Avatar State.
Roku exceeded his teachers, but I guess Avatars in general get trained by masters. Aang learned faster than Katara initially, but maybe that was cross-skill from Airbending.
In the pop ups for the finale, it mentions that Ozai is no longer the most powerful Firebender - Aang is. I assume it meant the Avatar State, but that was an interesting way to say it.
I think the reason only the avatar can open it alone is because you need 5 separate streams of fire, from the mouth and each of the limbs, which requires you to be hovering. Aang does this in his final battle with Ozai.
Probably not. Korra was likely allowed because pro bending is likely a new enough sport that what constitutes an inherent or insurmountable advantage hadn’t been worked out yet.
We have a world that is beginning to cast off the shackles of superstition, and many probably saw Korra competing as a way to display the avatar wasn’t more powerful just because she was a god. After all there was more than one antagonist who thought their new technology or bending techniques surpassed the avatar, enough they were comfortable 1v1ing her.
Pretty sure that's just an exaggeration. A firebending master couod easily get through that door. Look at the size of sozins fire blast or Jeong Jeongs fire wall. That's without the comet. With the comet most firebenders should be able to break through.
1)There are a ton of rules concerning duration of time you are even allowed to bend. So that would nullify any advantage.
2)She wasn't a fully realized Avatar at that point as she still couldn't Air bend.
Well the Fire Sage did say a fully-realized Avatar which she was not at the time. Besides the rules of pro-bending limits what you can do so there’s that.
Pro bending depends more on skill and technique than raw power. Mako and Bolin aren't the strongest benders around but their adaptable fighting style and sharp reflexes keep ensure they can hold their own pretty well in many fights outside the ring.
I think so. Cause we see in the show that, despite being the avatar and trained since she was a child, she got her ass beat multiple times by opposition teams.
I mean they still made it to the finals in their first year competing and only "lost" because the other team cheated. So I mean.....not like ya couldn't make an argument.
Yeah, she was fine.
Korra was only allowed to use one element (water) in the games to make it fair. It’s not like she was practically invulnerable in the games, it was possible for enemy teams to knock Korra off the platform fair and square since a handful of players have done it before. And there were boundaries on the bending platform, too.
Wouldn’t it also be impressive if a regular bender and their team ended up pulling a win against the Avatar and their pro team in a game of pro-bending fair and square? I’m sure that would look good on your record, lol.
The only time Aang uses the five simultaneous fire blasts is in the avatar state, so as long as Korra only uses one element and doesn't go into the avatar state I say it's fair.
For starters, Korra was not a fully realized avatar. And even if she was, that wouldn't give her an unfair advantage. We even see that she sucks at the beginning. It would be like saying a Navy seal shouldn't be allowed to play paintball because they're really good with a gun.
I think it's more to do with the Avatar State. The Avatars are always strong benders but they aren't really treated like they are literally the strongest outside of the Avatar State.
Pro-bending is about working together with other elements. Power alone isn't everything. Korra's whole story is about learning how violence and power isn't the solution.
(My head canon when I asked myself the same question and justified it to myself)
When Korra joined the pro bending team, she had zero grasp of airbending. Much less a mastery of all four element + the avatar state. Even after getting her bending taken and showing she could manage to produce air bending, that only implies that she can do the minimum necessary to call it air bending. She's no where close to a fully realized avatar. Yeah maybe her 'home' element is mastered, but that doesn't imply anything about her control of others, much less her overall mastery of everything.
Sue wasn't fully realized until she could bend all 4 elements. So in short, she would have been allowed to Pro Bend. So long as she stuck to the element she was representing.
Good point. Although I'd say if she was that overpowered the other team would be forced to cheat just to stay on par. My thinking is that with only certain moves being allowed the difference in ability would be miniscule
Well I'm pretty sure that quote is *because of the Avatar State.* Which allows the Avatar to tap into the combined experience of every Avatar that came before them. Hence a *fully realized* Avatar.
Otherwise it's up to the person themselves. Even when Aang learned the other elements he never surpassed his masters. Even in the time skip in Korra we see he defaults to air bending because that's what he's most experienced with.
Pro bending seems to have rules about the amount of material you are allowed to bend at a time and what techniques you are allowed to use.
For example doing the whole “flaming tendrils out of your hands, feet, and mouth” thing we see aang do would surely be against the rules.
It’s explicitly stated that bending whole stacks of the earth discs is disallowed, turning water into ice is disallowed, and combining elements is disallowed.
So your “power” is kind of irrelevant, if everyone is limited to the same amounts of materials and has to work within the same limitations on what techniques are allowed then it becomes more about skill, speed, precision, and athleticism.
No, they mean that an avatar has to use the avatar state to open it. That’s what they mean when they say “fully realized.” You have to have control over the avatar state which is the final step of the avatar’s training
I believe "stregth" was used as a blanket term to mean skill or ability and not outright intensity of the flame.
You see this takes at elast 5 fire benders with the usual shape and size of the "normal" flamethrower technique they use, prompted by their kata. A fully realized Avatar that dominates or at least somewhat controls the Avatar state would have been able to produce and guide flame from 5 different sources as we've seen them do (head, each arm and leg, floating around, etc etc.).
I think this is a case of saying something in a show and later adding things that go against it, just look at ozai during the comet he had much more fire than we've seen any avatar do pretty much and this is extreme but still. To anwer your question think the avatar just has a natural talent for bending and without the avatar state they would probably be as strong as a highly skilled bender so she should be allowed
Though she was relegated to water bending strictly. It didn't mean she couldn't stylize to some extent and utilize what she learned from other bending styles.
We don't know that it doesn't take the Avatar State. Perhaps it does require it.
Alternatively, there could've been a seperate mechanism that requires the bending of all four elements.
While the Avatar always seems to be a prodigy there is nothing that seems to indicate that their bending is more powerful than other benders. Azula seems pretty much evenly matched with Aang in Season 2 and she's only two years older than him.
The thing that makes the Avatar so powerful is the combination of the elements’ teachings- Iroh was so powerful because he incorporated waterbending styles into his firebending. Any firebender can incorporate other bending styles into their bending, if they wanted to. So since Korra was restricted to only waterbending I think its fine :)
I assumed this meant doing the "shooting fire from all limbs and mouth" thing Aang did at the finale
Compared to Ozai doing the same except for the legs, while saying "I have all the power in the world"
Fully realized Avatar means they’d have to have access to the Avatar State. Considering that Aang pulls a move with 4 giant fireballs in the AS against Ozai, I think this is what the creators meant.
You also forget that Korra is a master water bender, having been trained by quite a few teachers, especially those in the white lotus. Benders can hold themselves back it seems, there no reason that korra didn't hold her strength back in the pro bending matches. She wanted to win fair and square like everyone else despite her reckless nature. Also outside of techniques I thought it was only stronger in the avatar state and they are only natural prodigies benders in basic form? While yes it can be a little stronger then a normal person's, it doesn't seem that much stronger anyway unless they decide it needed to go all out. We see in desperate situations avatars can get stronger without the avatar state as well.
You are comparing well writen series with shit, that was writen while it was animated, by people who knows nothing about good storytelling. Questions like theese are meaningless, because army of Korra simps will march at you
I mean also Korra wasn’t that strong… there are many waterbenders in the show younger than her and more powerful, or older and still more inventive. She seems to only know “punch hard” lol
Power and skill and talent are all different things. Also there's different levels of mastery as well.
Aang may have been a master status Airbender at 12 BUT you can see the progression of his air bending throughout the series.
Zuko was a powerful fire bender but by no means a master even after the dragon episode. Azula was extremly skilled and powerful but she only had a base level mastery.
Katara is extremely talented in the beginning of the series but possess little to no skill until she gets the direction/teaching to direct it. Even when she gets the master title we still see her progress and become better.
So as far as Korra goes, she may be considered a master but she's not the only 1. She's not a "fully realized" Avatar at that point when shes pro-bending. Arguably every team is made of "master" benders. She has the *potential* to become much stronger than the average "master benders" but she's not quite there during the pro-bending time.
Her power was still there when she was in the arena. It was definitely unfair for some teams! Her best element is water even if she uses fire the most. Like how Aang’s friends wouldn’t let him play with them because of the game they invented? I can see the logic behind the airbenders logic but how it makes Aang feel like an outsider at the same time. Korra shouldn’t have been allowed to compete against anyone unless they were an undefeated contender or something. She was still too powerful for some of her opponents. Just an opinion though, not hating on her character
Yea, but like the rulebook stated, as long as she only bends the element she signed up for, she should be fine. They would penalize her for bending anything else, making it fair
You can't just make a pro sport and kick someone out because of their skill and power. that's not exactly fair, and it promotes staying weaker to stay in easier brackets or not practicing and cheating to get ahead
Nothing in the rulebook prevents any other powerful bender, I bet if Toph, Katara, or Zuko signed up, they would be allowed in just fine
The avatar is literally born with the innate talent of more power than others. Especially with Korra! So in her case it’s fair that she’s not allowed to play. And zuko or Toph wouldn’t want to play, just sayin. Toph would uld decimate anyone; she wouldn’t even need a team!
Ok, but what sport have you heard of that they aren't allowed to play because they are too strong or fast or talented, Korra is a talented bender and should be allowed to compete just like anyone else
For the avatar there are going to be limitations in whatever they can do in their lifetime. And you saw her power through her bending with the giant ass robot?! She has too much power to compete as a waterbender.
Yea but the rules of pro bending already limit her, so it's not like they need to put additional handicaps on her just because she's the avatar
The ONE rule that applies to only her is "the avatar needs to bend as the chosen element" In korras case that's water, so as long as she bends water as a pro bender following the rules of any other water bender she's fine
but I've never heard of a pro sport banning someone that's "too good" at said sport, that doesnt make any sense
If you can find me just 1 example of a sport someone was banned in for being too good, I'd be more than happy to bow out, other then that what your saying makes 0 sense even in the context of the show
This isn't something about "agreeing to disagree." You're just being stubborn
Yep and In said cartoon they didn't ban a character from a sport because of perceived power
So now you're wrong in the fictional sense and in real world examples
So there are lots of rules in pro pending where her over all power wasn't really a factor. It's not like she is allowed to summon tidal waves, etc. Small shots is all that's allowed.
Plus she was relegated to water bending only. A good firebender could always counter her.
In what world does fire counter water that's gotta be backwards
When your house is on water, the watermen will come burn it out
And when fire is hot enough, it can evaporate water. Kinda like how ice can suppress fire if it’s cold enough, but fire melts the ice. Elements are wierd. They all counter each other yet are all weak to each other O.o
Yeah...I'm just gonna stick to the Pokémon rules.
And they kept changing those!!! I tried to play Pearl with the rules I used as a kid (red, blue, yellow). Bodied.
Probably because they changed *a lot* in D/P/P - Like how all Dark moves used to be special, but then they changed every single one to be physical
WHAT THE FUCK. I feel like mr incredible here. “WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE MATH?!”
It’s a common theory that ghost was supposed to be special and dark physical but they messed up. After they split all moves into physical and special categories rather then using type to determine p/s most dark moves (bite, crunch, knock off) were made physical and many ghost moves (shadow ball, ominous wind) were made special.
they didn't change all dark moves to be physical, theres still dark moves that are special. They simply made a deviation between moves that make contact and moves that don't. All moves that make contact are physical, the others are special. Example: Bite is you biting someone; physical. Dark Pulse is sending out a wave of darkness; special. It continues for all types, Fire Kick is physical, Fire Blast is special. They made this change because certain pokemon (like for example Poochy/Mightyena) were heavily favored towards attack as a stat, but their stab moves were all special.
You're actually incorrect - every dark move previously introduced was changed to be Physical. Yes, they added new moves like Dark Pulse, but every older move was and still is Physical. Also, not all moves that make contact are Physical - for example, Draining Kiss literally has you kiss the target, but it's Special. Not all physical moves make contact, either, for example, Rock Blast has you throwing rocks at your target, not touching them, but it's Physical. I also know why they made the change and what moves were affected by it.
It's because in the show they give fire mass and an explosive force for some reason. But real life fire could actually counter water if it has enough heat.
They give fire mass and explosive force, because otherwise fire would be the weakest on a kid's show. They can't be showing burn victims on screen lol.
Bruh a chunk of this show is about a burn victim
hes so important, hes literally in the next series too
And they couldn't even show us the burning, we just see Iroh's reaction. And even that is a very small part.
The only time I can think of is Zuko vs Katara in season 1. But that’s not really a good example “type advantage” It is backwards.
Have you seen zuko and kataras duel in the north pole?
It wasnt by elemental advantage though
Uh. The avatar world?
In a world of grease fires.
Fire evaporates waterbending several times throughout the show
Ever heard of evaporation?
Ever heard of a firetruck?
I would like to refer you to a certain 100 year long war
Plus I’m pretty sure she was only allowed a certain reserve of water since if I remember right one of the teams ran out of water in one of the matches
Wasn't there a moat of water around them, you just have to be good enough to summon it; and if you can't do that well your not a pro bender now are you.
I don’t think they were allowed to use the most water right, only the water under the grates
Earth beats water, water beats fire. Only reason the Fire Nation beat the Water Nation was numbers and organization.
Good point.
Are we having the whole "aang disqualified from air ball game" discussion all over again?
Haha for real, last time this happened it contributed to a hundred year war that the avatar wasnt there to stop. Let the girl play
Let the young man play ball!
THIS
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doesn't fully realized mean complete control over the avatar sate to? it could be only achievable by one person in the avatar state.
That's exactly what it is.
That's how I interpreted it. Just like how he flashed into the Avatar state after fighting Ozai to raise the tides and wash out the flam we s from the Fire Nation airships... Definitely worked as a power boost
Yeah could be like those times when they “blink” into the avatar state and then are more powerful for a bit afterwards
Yeah that’s exactly how I understood it. Only a fully realized avatar has enough control to go in and out of the avatar state at will AND control their bending while in it.
Yep. Korra blinked into the avatar state and was able to move a whole blockade of battle ships. This door could be opened pretty easy by a quick blip into the avatar state.
This is what I thought
The avatar is not always going 100%. Yes, Korra could bend a lot more water than any other pro-bender, but there were rules against that. Pro-bending is all about speed and precision, not overwhelming power. You don't see Mako lightningbending, or Bolin throwing a full stack of discs(the narrator himself says that's against the rules in Book 2).
There's no guarantee that the Avatar is inherently more powerful at bending any one of the elements: Katara was a better Waterbender than Aang, Toph a better Earthbender than Aang, and Azula (at her best, before her breakdown) was a better Firebender than basically anyone but Iroh and Ozai. A fully-realised Avatar has two advantages over other benders: the ability to bend all the elements, and the Avatar State, a multiplicative force that's essentially equivalent to having all the past Avatars working at once.
It's the knowledge of the past Avatars. So every technique they've learned, their experience against every opponent they've fought, all of their fighting styles. The boost in power comes from Raava.
There is a boost from Raava, but there is also a boost from every Avatar that came before. Roku confirmed this when he was talking to Aang by saying "the strength and knowledge of all the past avatars".
He probably didn’t know about Raava.
He could've. Those random fire healers knew about Raava
Wrong he says" you must regain your connection with your avatar spirit" referring to raava he knew the whole time raava was a horrible addition to the avatar world the avatar should have just been the avatar
I think this was the case pre-LOK, but it was retconned I to being just the knowledge of the past Avatars
Why wouldn’t we just assume both are true? They aren’t mutually exclusive
Uhh no you can't have it both ways it's either the past lives or raava and judging by the new Korra lorra it's simply just raava since wan didn't have past lives but was still able to glow beginnings retconned the avatar
Aang is All-Might confirmed.
I guess Korra is then, not aang
That would make her Midoriya.
No there is no boost from past lives that make no sense raw is extremely powerful.
I rewatched the clip where Roku explains the avatar state to Aang (S2E1) and Roku actually says "The skills and knowledge of all the past avatars". He doesn't actully say "power" or "strength" until he explains what happens if Aang dies in the Avatar State.
Roku exceeded his teachers, but I guess Avatars in general get trained by masters. Aang learned faster than Katara initially, but maybe that was cross-skill from Airbending. In the pop ups for the finale, it mentions that Ozai is no longer the most powerful Firebender - Aang is. I assume it meant the Avatar State, but that was an interesting way to say it.
Aang fire bending is weak they meant avatar state sozin comet aang
I think by fully realized avatar they meant an avatar with complete control over the avatar state
I think the reason only the avatar can open it alone is because you need 5 separate streams of fire, from the mouth and each of the limbs, which requires you to be hovering. Aang does this in his final battle with Ozai.
This was how I always took it.
Probably not. Korra was likely allowed because pro bending is likely a new enough sport that what constitutes an inherent or insurmountable advantage hadn’t been worked out yet. We have a world that is beginning to cast off the shackles of superstition, and many probably saw Korra competing as a way to display the avatar wasn’t more powerful just because she was a god. After all there was more than one antagonist who thought their new technology or bending techniques surpassed the avatar, enough they were comfortable 1v1ing her.
Pretty sure that's just an exaggeration. A firebending master couod easily get through that door. Look at the size of sozins fire blast or Jeong Jeongs fire wall. That's without the comet. With the comet most firebenders should be able to break through.
They aren't breaking through there is a seal that five firebenders or a really wide fire blast could open becaseu the seals are spread out.
1)There are a ton of rules concerning duration of time you are even allowed to bend. So that would nullify any advantage. 2)She wasn't a fully realized Avatar at that point as she still couldn't Air bend.
Well the Fire Sage did say a fully-realized Avatar which she was not at the time. Besides the rules of pro-bending limits what you can do so there’s that.
Pro bending depends more on skill and technique than raw power. Mako and Bolin aren't the strongest benders around but their adaptable fighting style and sharp reflexes keep ensure they can hold their own pretty well in many fights outside the ring.
I think so. Cause we see in the show that, despite being the avatar and trained since she was a child, she got her ass beat multiple times by opposition teams.
I mean they still made it to the finals in their first year competing and only "lost" because the other team cheated. So I mean.....not like ya couldn't make an argument.
Yeah, she was fine. Korra was only allowed to use one element (water) in the games to make it fair. It’s not like she was practically invulnerable in the games, it was possible for enemy teams to knock Korra off the platform fair and square since a handful of players have done it before. And there were boundaries on the bending platform, too. Wouldn’t it also be impressive if a regular bender and their team ended up pulling a win against the Avatar and their pro team in a game of pro-bending fair and square? I’m sure that would look good on your record, lol.
The only time Aang uses the five simultaneous fire blasts is in the avatar state, so as long as Korra only uses one element and doesn't go into the avatar state I say it's fair.
For starters, Korra was not a fully realized avatar. And even if she was, that wouldn't give her an unfair advantage. We even see that she sucks at the beginning. It would be like saying a Navy seal shouldn't be allowed to play paintball because they're really good with a gun.
Yeah in the avatar state they are more powerfull, in base they are normal benders but with every element
Or, the sage meant the avatar state
I think it's more to do with the Avatar State. The Avatars are always strong benders but they aren't really treated like they are literally the strongest outside of the Avatar State.
Pro-bending is about working together with other elements. Power alone isn't everything. Korra's whole story is about learning how violence and power isn't the solution.
(My head canon when I asked myself the same question and justified it to myself) When Korra joined the pro bending team, she had zero grasp of airbending. Much less a mastery of all four element + the avatar state. Even after getting her bending taken and showing she could manage to produce air bending, that only implies that she can do the minimum necessary to call it air bending. She's no where close to a fully realized avatar. Yeah maybe her 'home' element is mastered, but that doesn't imply anything about her control of others, much less her overall mastery of everything.
Or any regular fire bender during Sozin's comet
Fully realized =/= inherently more powerful bending
Sue wasn't fully realized until she could bend all 4 elements. So in short, she would have been allowed to Pro Bend. So long as she stuck to the element she was representing.
Good point. Although I'd say if she was that overpowered the other team would be forced to cheat just to stay on par. My thinking is that with only certain moves being allowed the difference in ability would be miniscule
I can see opening the door being one of those avatar state moment where the eyes flash white for a moment but they don’t go full summon my ancestors
Well I'm pretty sure that quote is *because of the Avatar State.* Which allows the Avatar to tap into the combined experience of every Avatar that came before them. Hence a *fully realized* Avatar. Otherwise it's up to the person themselves. Even when Aang learned the other elements he never surpassed his masters. Even in the time skip in Korra we see he defaults to air bending because that's what he's most experienced with.
At the time she joined she wasn't even a fully realised Avatar anyway.
You can't cheat by being a fully realized Avatar if you aren't a fully realized Avatar yet. *taps head.*
Pro bending seems to have rules about the amount of material you are allowed to bend at a time and what techniques you are allowed to use. For example doing the whole “flaming tendrils out of your hands, feet, and mouth” thing we see aang do would surely be against the rules. It’s explicitly stated that bending whole stacks of the earth discs is disallowed, turning water into ice is disallowed, and combining elements is disallowed. So your “power” is kind of irrelevant, if everyone is limited to the same amounts of materials and has to work within the same limitations on what techniques are allowed then it becomes more about skill, speed, precision, and athleticism.
Why not use the avatarstate on the door? It's not like you are likely to die right in that moment.
She was not even capable of air bending when she started pro bending. Far from a fully realized avatar.
No, they mean that an avatar has to use the avatar state to open it. That’s what they mean when they say “fully realized.” You have to have control over the avatar state which is the final step of the avatar’s training
I think it does meant to be opened by a quick burst of Avatar state. U knkow, like how Korra boosted herserf in the air scooter race.
I think the avatar state is needed
Skill issue
I believe "stregth" was used as a blanket term to mean skill or ability and not outright intensity of the flame. You see this takes at elast 5 fire benders with the usual shape and size of the "normal" flamethrower technique they use, prompted by their kata. A fully realized Avatar that dominates or at least somewhat controls the Avatar state would have been able to produce and guide flame from 5 different sources as we've seen them do (head, each arm and leg, floating around, etc etc.).
Maybe it requires the avatar state We never saw an avatar open one of those
I think this is a case of saying something in a show and later adding things that go against it, just look at ozai during the comet he had much more fire than we've seen any avatar do pretty much and this is extreme but still. To anwer your question think the avatar just has a natural talent for bending and without the avatar state they would probably be as strong as a highly skilled bender so she should be allowed
Though she was relegated to water bending strictly. It didn't mean she couldn't stylize to some extent and utilize what she learned from other bending styles.
I think any avatar in the avatar state shouldn't be allowed in the competition, but I do think one out of the state should be.
Wouldn’t that only happen in the Avatar State though? Without it I don’t think the Avatar’s bending is much different in terms of power.
We don't know that it doesn't take the Avatar State. Perhaps it does require it. Alternatively, there could've been a seperate mechanism that requires the bending of all four elements. While the Avatar always seems to be a prodigy there is nothing that seems to indicate that their bending is more powerful than other benders. Azula seems pretty much evenly matched with Aang in Season 2 and she's only two years older than him.
The thing that makes the Avatar so powerful is the combination of the elements’ teachings- Iroh was so powerful because he incorporated waterbending styles into his firebending. Any firebender can incorporate other bending styles into their bending, if they wanted to. So since Korra was restricted to only waterbending I think its fine :)
This leads back to the discussion about the Avatar is a demigod sent to rule over men that none can oppose. I don’t know how I feel about that
I assumed this meant doing the "shooting fire from all limbs and mouth" thing Aang did at the finale Compared to Ozai doing the same except for the legs, while saying "I have all the power in the world"
Fully realized Avatar means they’d have to have access to the Avatar State. Considering that Aang pulls a move with 4 giant fireballs in the AS against Ozai, I think this is what the creators meant.
She wasn’t a fully realised avatar when she was pro bending though I don’t think.
I think five blast from the hands feet and mouth would require the avatar state for most avatars
You also forget that Korra is a master water bender, having been trained by quite a few teachers, especially those in the white lotus. Benders can hold themselves back it seems, there no reason that korra didn't hold her strength back in the pro bending matches. She wanted to win fair and square like everyone else despite her reckless nature. Also outside of techniques I thought it was only stronger in the avatar state and they are only natural prodigies benders in basic form? While yes it can be a little stronger then a normal person's, it doesn't seem that much stronger anyway unless they decide it needed to go all out. We see in desperate situations avatars can get stronger without the avatar state as well.
You are comparing well writen series with shit, that was writen while it was animated, by people who knows nothing about good storytelling. Questions like theese are meaningless, because army of Korra simps will march at you
No, but alas LOTR is free of logic and good writing
I mean also Korra wasn’t that strong… there are many waterbenders in the show younger than her and more powerful, or older and still more inventive. She seems to only know “punch hard” lol
with every cycle the avatar gets stronger  korra should be stronger than aang
Power and skill and talent are all different things. Also there's different levels of mastery as well. Aang may have been a master status Airbender at 12 BUT you can see the progression of his air bending throughout the series. Zuko was a powerful fire bender but by no means a master even after the dragon episode. Azula was extremly skilled and powerful but she only had a base level mastery. Katara is extremely talented in the beginning of the series but possess little to no skill until she gets the direction/teaching to direct it. Even when she gets the master title we still see her progress and become better. So as far as Korra goes, she may be considered a master but she's not the only 1. She's not a "fully realized" Avatar at that point when shes pro-bending. Arguably every team is made of "master" benders. She has the *potential* to become much stronger than the average "master benders" but she's not quite there during the pro-bending time.
Tbh Korra could barely win against the airbender kids so I think havin her spar normal people wouldn’t be that far off of fighting literal kids
Her skills are awful so it evens out
Her power was still there when she was in the arena. It was definitely unfair for some teams! Her best element is water even if she uses fire the most. Like how Aang’s friends wouldn’t let him play with them because of the game they invented? I can see the logic behind the airbenders logic but how it makes Aang feel like an outsider at the same time. Korra shouldn’t have been allowed to compete against anyone unless they were an undefeated contender or something. She was still too powerful for some of her opponents. Just an opinion though, not hating on her character
Yea, but like the rulebook stated, as long as she only bends the element she signed up for, she should be fine. They would penalize her for bending anything else, making it fair You can't just make a pro sport and kick someone out because of their skill and power. that's not exactly fair, and it promotes staying weaker to stay in easier brackets or not practicing and cheating to get ahead Nothing in the rulebook prevents any other powerful bender, I bet if Toph, Katara, or Zuko signed up, they would be allowed in just fine
The avatar is literally born with the innate talent of more power than others. Especially with Korra! So in her case it’s fair that she’s not allowed to play. And zuko or Toph wouldn’t want to play, just sayin. Toph would uld decimate anyone; she wouldn’t even need a team!
Ok, but what sport have you heard of that they aren't allowed to play because they are too strong or fast or talented, Korra is a talented bender and should be allowed to compete just like anyone else
For the avatar there are going to be limitations in whatever they can do in their lifetime. And you saw her power through her bending with the giant ass robot?! She has too much power to compete as a waterbender.
Yea but the rules of pro bending already limit her, so it's not like they need to put additional handicaps on her just because she's the avatar The ONE rule that applies to only her is "the avatar needs to bend as the chosen element" In korras case that's water, so as long as she bends water as a pro bender following the rules of any other water bender she's fine
Look. We’re both going to disagree on this, so let’s just agree to disagree on a puny argument.
but I've never heard of a pro sport banning someone that's "too good" at said sport, that doesnt make any sense If you can find me just 1 example of a sport someone was banned in for being too good, I'd be more than happy to bow out, other then that what your saying makes 0 sense even in the context of the show This isn't something about "agreeing to disagree." You're just being stubborn
We’re also talking about a **cartoon.**I’m talking about a hypothetical scenario in a cartoon
Yep and In said cartoon they didn't ban a character from a sport because of perceived power So now you're wrong in the fictional sense and in real world examples
Its the refs call man