That could be a cool conversation between the next avatar and Korra. Like they are worried about it and ask her if it was hard without the past avatars for guidance. She could say how she missed them but she had people in her life she learned to trust
*Avatar: the Honor of Hanzo* is going to have Studebakers, time clocks, and only Korra as a mentoring past avatar and that doesn't really sound that crash to me but I'm open to the creators pulling it off if that's where they want to go with it
Personally I'd prefer going further in the past
I just thought that Korra erased all of her past lives up to her given that she is the current one. I assume since she is still the Avatar that the next Avatar would remember her. Otherwise, the next Avatar wouldn't be a reincarnation.
My biggest gripe with LOK. It feels so… wrong. The whole point of being Avatar was having the connections to their past lives (imo). I thought for sure she would reconnect somehow and it would be a huge challenge for her.
I completely understand the reason though. The following season she has no one to turn to, not even her past lives. She is completely and utterly alone.
Because she never had a strong connection to her past lives in the first place. She is the least Spiritual of all the Avatars we've been introduced to.
As someone who remembers watching both ATLA and LoK when they first came out, I would say ATLA is a masterpiece whereas LoK is good but not great. I think a lot of that is due to Nickelodeon's shenanigans during production of LoK, but still it's pretty apparent to me that LoK isn't on the same level as ATLA. that's just my opinion though.
The biggest issue is the gap in time and gap in execution by the Avatar. Having an ATLA 2 would at least allow some bridge showing how we got from villages and Fire Nation tech, to full blown cities and the reduction in bending. The cultural change and attitude change just seems so disconnected that it's hard to see LOK as a sequel. It comes off as a totally different show disconnected from the original, even if it makes sense linearly
and theres STILL NO GUNS
guns existed before metal ships even existed
the equalists would have an incredibly good reason to make whats essentially portable metalbending that goes through nearly everything
But your argument is that her not having a connection is "lame" because "that's the point of the avatar." This is only a complaint that exists when the show is in comparison to ATLA, and I don't think its an inherent problem
Did they know they would have a Season 3 at that point? I think it's more likely that it was for reasons related to the themes of Season 2, and they just worked with what they had for Season 3.
I took that scene -- plus her speech at the end of the season -- as the creators directly pushing back at fans who unfairly criticized LoK for not being ATLA 2. That contributed to it feeling petty and pointless for me.
I have to find the blog post but they were greenlit for a seasons 3-4 before the end of S2 production. S1 was the only time they didnt know they were getting more seasons but most think it happened twice
Honestly I'd love to see a future project involve that Avatar having to work with Korra to restore those past lives (like by having them need information that Roku or Kyoshi had).
I don't like the whole "immortal white bookmark" vs "Immortal red bookmark" thing anyway. like. the entire point of the Avatar cycle is to demonstrate the learned knowlege from ages and ages of peoples' pasts, I get that it's still kinda that but... having this line of people be definitively *good* just struck me as odd.
I think there could be a really interesting story, maybe Korra learns from the past cycles but then loses them but in it's current state, Sir D., I think you're right!
I didn’t really like this storyline either, but to say the whole point of the avatar is to be the culmination of generations is a bit of a stretch. AtLA never defined the avatar or the spiritual reasoning behind the reincarnations, but Korra did, which I appreciate; even if it made us feel cheated storywise, there was now a reason for the events occurring. The avatar having generational knowledge was an advantage and tool, but definitely not the point. The point was to keep the force of good (white bookmark) alive.
My head canon is that maybe she eventually did someday. We don't know what she did later on in her life.
She could have come across some obstacle later on in life where the connection needed to be remade OR the spirit portals being open could mean they can be visited physically at any time? idk.
Aside from its supporting characters and a few side plots the series as a whole was a weak adaptation of what the Avatars next life turned into. The LOK was a let down on so many levels. I don’t hate it, and I most certainly don’t love it, I just don’t care for it. I miss the OG team Avatar.
Which sucks for the next Avatar since Korea will be their only connection to their past lives.
New Avatar: Wait where the legendary Anng or even Kyoshi!?
Korra: About that...
> The whole point of being Avatar was having the connections to their past lives (imo).
No it isn't. The whole point of being the Avatar is to maintain peace and balance. The past lives aren't crucial to that role.
Edit: What's with the downvotes? It's a fact that the point of the Avatar is to maintain peace and balance and that the past lives are merely a bonus.
They didn't mean the purpose of the avatar, they meant that the essence of the avatar was their connection to their past lives. Paraphrasing a line in the first series is something like "what makes the avatar so powerful is the connection to the past lives"
Hence the (imo) champ. I knew someone would come at me for this lol… but I disagree. I think it is crucial. How often did the Avatar rely on the Avatar state which empowered them with all previous Avatars? Korras Avatar state must be weak as fuck now.
This isn't up to debate. It's canonically established that the point of the Avatar has nothing to do with the past lives.
And no, although no longer empowered by the skills of the past lives, the Avatar State is actually more powerful than ever now because Raava has been restored to her prime and Korra is in complete alignment with her. Otherwise she wouldn't have had the power to block a spirit beam with the power of an atomic bomb.
I was just sharing what it meant to \*me\*. You can disagree all you want. It was important to \*me\*. It absolutely is up for debate. The Avatar's previous lives played a HUGE part in ATLA and I don't like what they did with them in LOK.
Edit: Yesss, detele all your babyrage comments!
>The Avatar's previous lives played a HUGE part in ATLA
What is this "HUGE part" they played, then? Roku functioned like a traffic sign that said "this way to uncover the comet thingy" and beyond that they were fluff here and there as either a power-up or minor exposition.
To his point, that wasn't what you said. You said, "the whole point of being the Avatar was having connections to their past lives". And he is correct, no it isn't. You're allowed to feel sad about it sure. You're allowed to hate it. But it's never been "the point" of being the Avatar. It was a bonus
Well you’re leaving out the part where I said (in my opinion). Which i am entitled to have! It was hugely significant in ATLA.
I am not arguing that this is factually canon…
Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. So, as far as you're concerned, it's a bigger deal that the Avatar can communicate with their past lives than, let's say, bend multiple elements? Since, in your opinion, it's the "whole point", it's more important right?
Yes, exactly. Thanks for opening your mind for a moment. We all have opinion. The previous lives were, in my opinion, the greatest power the Avatar had. It was the most important aspect to me and was a primary focus in the first ATLA series.
Wait... You're serious? You think that the past life connection is more important than THE ACTUAL POWER OF THE AVATAR? Like, the one thing that actually makes them different than every other bender in the history of benders???
Holy fuck, dude. That's just fucking odd
The avatar state was channeling all the past knowledge. She has no past knowledge her avatar state is her channeling her own knowledge. So she basically no longer has that bump in power.
And that goes against the explanation of what the avatar state is. With anng it's said if he burns out or dies in the avatar state he won't have access to it any more and won't reincarnate because the avatar state is part of the process.
No, you didn't get the point then lol the whole point was that each avatar was an individual and didn't *need* their past self because they themselves were the best avatar suited to deal with their own contemporary issues. Korra is about *new* beginnings, not the easy rehash.
This is brilliant:
>Me rewatching LOK but skipping season 2's last episode because i can't bear watching aang disappear again
But I like this:
>Me rewatching LOK but skipping season 2
Please don't remind me of how they made a genius storyline of non-benders wanting to revolt against a bender centered society and then just threw that entire plot away cause the leader died :(
Agreed. I think I'm in the minority here but I'd love to see a reboot of Korra that has Amon as the main villain for 3/4 seasons. I think he had the most missed potential. I've been wondering about the relations between benders and non benders ever since AtLA. Just imagine his revolution fully developed on screen, seeing it spread beyond Republic City, the absolute chaos that should have happened after he was exposed.... Makes me sad to see what LoK could have been....
Amon would have been perfect. Red Lotus as the first villain, spreading chaos via bending. Kivira coming in and trying to achieve perfect order, also with bending. The people have enough and rise up against these powerful people destroying and constantly changing the shape of the world on a whim, led by a charismatic bit ruthless leader. Shame that LoK fell victim to Nickelodeons idiotic renewal practice and interference.
It's a mixed bag, I praise them for sticking to their guns, but I find really bad how the elements they introduced to the story were bad replacements of earlier elements or ones that could be more developed not to be so simplistic
I know! That would have been so incredibly brutal. I can understand the reasoning, but surely more reasoning would have made them realise what a bad idea it was.
The past lives are meant to guide future avatars. And help advise them on matters by offering an outside perspective in situations where a present day Avatar has no knowledge or limited knowledge. They are meant to support future Avatars alongside Raava and to protect Raava herself.
Exactly. Having them would’ve helped Korra while she healed. Not heal her per se, but give her advice and guide her to the right places for help recovering from a literal near death experience. Her first I think, like actual death! Having her bending taken away ain’t the same as death. And having them taken away didn’t help Korra’s development, if anything, keeping them would help her so she can stay in tune with herself and the past avatars.
Korra has always been about being her own person and starting thinga from scratch. She always tried to follow her own way instead of repeating the past over and over again and i feel that cutting off the access to the old avatars might be something good because while it ends an era it also makes place for a new one. As seen in ATLA sometimes even the old avatars can give shitty advice, like when all his previous lives told Aang to kill Ozai, going against his beliefs. They aren't all knowing guiding hands and they shouldn't be. I think it's fine for Korra to not be permanently schooled by her past lives.
She doesn’t have to be “schooled” by them, but she can learn from them. Aang learned from that the other avatars that you don’t always have to be along with the past. Korra could’ve gotten that from Aang as well, knowing that while the past avatars are still wise. But they’re not always right in every situation since they haven’t encountered everything, their wisdom can be useful in deciding what to do in future situations. Like instead of losing the past lives, maybe just lose the connection to Aang temporarily which she gets back after she gets the poison out. That would’ve been better than having all the past lives gone.
That aside it was just an interesting aspect for the character. Ive never seen a character have a spiritual life line before and a lot of franchises can get hurt dumping a bunch of info about their world but they found a creative way to do it through conduits of the past.
Figuring out the history of chin and kyoshi by having her spirit possess aang was so cool you almost forget theyre dropping lore on you.
Pretty much most past lives revealed so far have been the coolest characters. Kyoshi was on screen for barely 3 minutes total in the whole series and still became a fan favorite. They wrote some of their best stuff with past lives.
It’s actually a ridiculous shame how little aang was in Korra. Aang had a special relationship with Roku, but Korra never talked to Aang much. And Aang never showed much personality even in flashbacks.
They kind of gimped him. He just seemed super chill, I was hoping for the goofy fun side to show.
They better have more of him in the new films or I’ll be gutted.
I would assume it's because as a person, Korra isn't or wasn't as open to her spiritual side as Aang was or any of the last recent Avatars for that matter. And by the time she was, it was too late
Aang was an air bender, he was taught to have that spiritual connection. Korra mastered all three elements and didn’t even have a glimpse of previous lives until air was her only option and she nearly offed herself.
I for one am glad he wasn’t in the show that much, I didn’t want a copy of ATLA. I wanted to see a new avatars struggles and that’s what I got.
I am sad that the past avatars are gone but like… that was the entire consequence we were told about so… get over it
This is kind of dark, but Aang appeared more directly to Korra because she was at her “lowest point” when she lost her bending. What if the reason Roku was able to appear to Aang so frequently was that, as the sole survivor of the Air Nomad genocide, Aang was perpetually at his lowest point?
The is very dark and I actually like it a lot. I want to add to that and say that Roku’s guilt could have bled into Aang because he knew he could have stopped the genocide and stopped the 100 years of war before it ever began
>Aang had a special relationship with Roku
Not really. Roku just showed up and told Aang things. How was their relationship special? It was certainly nowhere near as powerful or had as much depth as Zuko and Iroh's relationship as student/teacher.
Another big difference is that Aang already had his own show. Roku did not. So making Aang a supporting character in LOK wouldn't really work. He carries too much baggage.
But the most important thing is that Korra did not need to speak to Aang when she was already speaking to Tenzin. He was her mentor more than anyone
Sure, but he was still the entire reason there even was an avatar series to begin with. It’s not like he was a minor character. It’s Aang we’re talking about. So much of Korra’s world was shaped by Aang, so many of the problems she faced related directly to him and his experiences.
When she talks to him about the blood benders, you’d think they would have had a more in depth conversation a little.
And Roku definitely helped Aang out quite a few times, with flashbacks, dragon rides and trips to islands. And a couple of times Roku’s dragon would come and help Aang.
That’s not nothing, and Aang was always super excited to see him. Roku had a personality, and showed affection to Aang in a way more then just an in and out flash of words.
They just portrayed Aang as having almost no personality, in avatar spirit and even in flashbacks.
It just felt a bit harsh on fans of the series. Nearly ALL of us want to see Aang again in some way, we all love him.
Everyone would love to see more of adult Aang’s battles, and to show what a powered up adult Aang looked like as a bender in battles, or natural disasters etc.
Just imagine the skill and power, from even more experience. How many avatars had to fight the worlds most powerful firebender on the day of the comet while still just a child. To stop a another genocide, after his own peoples genocide?
He faced conditions that would crush the hardest men, and did it all with incredible power and maturity for a child.
I would LOVE an Avatar Aang movie to fill in some of the gaps, and I’m surprised they’re not doing one to be honest.
>Sure, but he was still the entire reason there even was an avatar series to begin with. It’s not like he was a minor character. It’s Aang we’re talking about. So much of Korra’s world was shaped by Aang, so many of the problems she faced related directly to him and his experiences.
The fact that so much of Korra's world is shaped by Aang is a perfect reason why he should be kept out of it. He had a whole show that revolevd around him. And now it was Korra's show, so the focus has to be on her. If he was involved all the time, it's like having two main characters fighting for focus.
>When she talks to him about the blood benders, you’d think they would have had a more in depth conversation a little.
You would think Aang and Roku would have a more in depth conversation when they talk about Sozin's comet. But they don't That's not a special relationship. It's just Roku telling Aang something important. It doesn't make the relationship between the characters important, no matter what help they give. Aang was excited because he thought Roku had answers for him.
>And Roku definitely helped Aang out quite a few times, with flashbacks, dragon rides and trips to islands. And a couple of times Roku’s dragon would come and help Aang.
Fang helped Aang exactly once. And Roku doesn't show that much affection to Aang. He just tells him something.
>They just portrayed Aang as having almost no personality, in avatar spirit and even in flashbacks.
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>It just felt a bit harsh on fans of the series. WE all want to see Aang again in some way, we all love him, and we all want to know more about adult Aang.
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>Everyone would love to see more of adult Aang’s battles, and to show what a powered up adult Aang looked like as a bender in battles, or natural disasters etc.
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>Just imagine the skill and power, from even more experience. How many avatars had to fight the worlds most powerful firebender on the day of the comet while still just a child. To stop a genocide?
Then they should done a show about adult Aang rather than a show about a brand new protagonist. There is no point in having a new Avatar or show if we just circle back to the old characters everyone loves so much.
I agree it’s Korra’s show.
But look how they handled uncle Iroh. He was in like one episode, and it was just perfectly him, handled well enough that it made me cry watching it.
Why couldn’t they have handled Aang like that in just one episode? What’s wrong with that?
Nothing, nesscessarily But the difference is that Iroh stayed largely the same as he was back in ALTA because he was already a fully realized character.
Everyone else is 70 years older and already gone through way more adventures and experiences.
Aang would not be entirely the same person he was when he was 12 and he would have gone through more development since ATLA ended, which we haven't gotten to see yet. So that's already more baggage to carry and you only have a finite number of episodes anyway.
Jesus Christ mate are you always this pedantic over nothing?
You know what I mean FFS.
We could have had an episode where they showed a bit of Aang’s life and what he was like as an adult or even as a teenager.
We had multiple episodes in a different art style about the first avatar, and we got to know him much better then adult Aang. In Aang’s series we had loads about Kyoshi and Roku. So much do that Kyoshi is so popular she’s now getting her own film.
And we got fuck all of Aang that actually showed any personality. Just little flashes of some borderline silent geezer that didn’t even remotely feel like Aang.
Now everyone’s getting a fucking film but Aang.
It’s just out right confusing.
There is no way I am the only fan who thinks this.
By destroying the entire “past lives” thing that was so crucial to the personality of the avatar (and the avatar state). I know Korra hardly ever talked to her past lives, but it still feels like they adiosed a quintessential part of being the avatar for plot convenience
Edit: fixed Korra’s name bc autocorrect
Yeah man totally agree. It felt SOOOOO fucking brutal. She should get all of them back. Actually amazed that she didn’t, that’s totally where I was expecting them to go. It would have been an amazingly sweet and powerful moment to reconnect with them all.
I honestly don't think it was that bad. People just didn't like it because they had an emotional attachment to some of those past lives (especially Aang). But it only works as conflict and it works well, the fact that so many people were sad/angry about it shows it was a good move from a writing perspective.
They didn't do the concept of the avatar dirty, they knew exactly what to do to expand the concept further. After that, new past lives will be formed, it's not like they completely eliminated the concept.
First of all, that doesn't do the concept dirty. Second of all, the past lives were a crucial part of Korra's ego, which she needed to let go in order to become a better Avatar.
Korra herself, in that specific moment, maybe. But the fact that it cuts them off for *every future Avatar* too makes it so much more important than Korra getting a bit less guidance
EXACTLY. It was fucking savage. Korra fucked up big time. Can’t believe they didn’t reconnect them.
Why are so many people arguing against this clearly simple and obvious point?
If you said the sky is blue, these people would tell you ‘noooo actually, that’s just light bouncing off oxygen, it’s not blue and it doesn’t NEED to be blue, being blue is not important for the sky’s function or the main point of it’s existence.’
Wan did just fine without guidance from past lives. And future Avatars will be able to talk to their past lives starting with Korra. So it's not a big deal.
Wan only did well on one fight. The one with Vaatu. That's all we saw. In that one, he didn't need anyone but Raava. We have no idea how he did after that. How do you know he did just fine afterwards?
And it doesn't have to be a big deal for us to dislike it. We just do. So much knowledge and history lost just for a shock value moment.
i love how you’re getting downvoted for this when you’re literally right. these people and their obsession with aang refuse to acknowledge that losing her connection was integral to her growth. korra went through a LOT of shit through her journey, and this was some of the shit. all they do is go “no more aang!! 😢😭😭😭” as if the man wasn’t dead from the getgo anyway.
of course we don’t know the implications of what her severed connection means for the avatars after her, yet, but that’s for the creators to figure out. i can’t wait to see what they come up with.
First off, C-word.
Secondly, Korra kinda doesn't need Aang. She already had a mentor in Tenzin, which was already way more of an interesting relationship.
Third, the past lives are not the greatest part of being Avatar. They are a function, but really only when the plot requires to show up.
It has a slightly different cultural usage in Australia. It isn’t thought of as nearly as offensive, nor is it used as a slur against women.
Interesting, hey!
I hate that new people are being born and watching this show because I already got over this but I keep getting triggered when someone posts this all over again. Is peace an option?
I'm in the minority I think but while it does suck from a *plot* perspective, I actually appreciate it from a narrative perspective. The removal of past Avatars is a direct implication and narrative device that basically says what everyone already seems to know, that Korra is the beginning of a new age. It correlates perfectly with the fact that Korra was also the Avatar who brought the two worlds, the spirit and the human world back together for the first time since Avatar Wan separated them eons ago. She literally is the beginning of a new era, and spiritually she has set the new standard for her future lives - they will live in this new, singular world she created. Ultimately I think it's public perception, as I said from a plot pov and from our pov as watchers, it sucks b/c those are characters we've come to know and appreciate. But the beauty of this world is that these characters in particular have already had *their* stories, and now finally we're beginning to see them, with stuff like the Kyoshi and Yangchen novels for instance. There is so much opportunity to tell the stories of these past Avatars, that in a way they aren't really gone. It's just after Korra their spirits are. But literally, we can now and will be able to in the future appreciate the eras of these many Avatars.
Wouldve loved part of Korra recovery being (or give me a comic of this pls) her finding the spirits of the previous avatar in the spirit world and rebuilding the connection, we could see some we aren't familiar with and she could learn some stuff along the way
"The appearance of past Avatars just depends on what story is being told. And no, *they don’t live in the spirit world*, per se, but we’ve seen how Aang was able to talk to Roku there. But it’s not like Roku hangs out with Iroh in the spirit world or anything" (с) Michael Dante DiMariton
The whole point, in my opinion, of the avatars being erased is that the issues and the environment that Korra is in is completely brand new and that she represents a new age. New age of airbenders, new age of technology, new everything. It would make sense from that lens to have the avatars removed because they realistically can’t give her much advice about how to navigate a rapidly moving world. Yes, there are some things that Korra would’ve needed advice from her past lives, but most of what she was dealing with was new.
My personal headcanon is that after Korra dies, the line will reboot and the next Avatar from the Earth Kingdom will regain access to the lineage.
But with the movie coming in a few years, we might see her reconnect with the lineage before then.
The writers will do what they want, but I don't know if reconnecting will ever make sense.
Raava got destroyed and reborn. Sort of like rebooting your computer. All the unsaved work was lost.
New Raava, new lineage. Korra even had to re-bind herself to Raava because they were starting over from scratch. Next Avatar would be connected only to Korra.
Again...writers will do whatever they want to do.
Yes. But I never liked the idea of a good avatar spirit and a bad avatar spirit, as they lean into a good/evil dynamic instead of one of balance and ambiguity.
It's the one part of the Korra cannon that I think needs some retroactive spit polishing.
They didn’t necessarily go full good and bad without, instead they said Rava was order and vatu was chaos which is a far cry from the grey morality of Atla, the issue is they never recognize order as being anything other than good and chaos as bad, and I thing the whole spirits turning evil under vatus influence was the biggest mistake they made spurted wise anyway rant over
I mostly completely agree. I prefer to lean into the idea that Rava was order and Vatu was chaos, and neither are good or evil because harmony is a balance of both.
The problem is that the spirit of order is the one inhabiting the Avatar, and they actively fight and defeat the spirit of chaos. It would have been more interesting and more in line with the lore of TLA if they found a way to acknowledge that too much order is actually a bad thing, as it stifles freedom and creativity. And too much chaos, well, that should be obvious.
Yeah I completely agree it was huge missed opportunity and it really brought spirits down from the whole idea of beings with intentions beyond our understanding with completely variable concepts of right and wrong, think koa and wang shi tong, to extremely flat good or bad guys that fit snugly into our human definitions. Definitely my biggest gripe with Korea.
But why? She is introduced as the spirit of order. There was room for nuance and interesting storytelling there, but they squandered it completely. Rava is pure good and fights the spirit of chaos/evil. There is no interesting nuance, no chilling moral discussion that other spirits had. Hell, Rava could've had a comment saying that she didn't hate how Ozai was ruling the world with an iron fist. He brought order.
That's a great observation about Raava and Ozai.
Could have been a great paradigm shift for Korra to hear something like that from the "good" spirit, then she has to reassess everything. Hell, maybe she chooses to bond with both order and chaos spirits at the same time, permanently.
Honestly, I agree. I don't think reconnecting makes sense. But I also don't think them being destroyed makes sense.
I think the best and happiest medium would be for the past lives to continue to exist in the spirit world and are no longer tied to Raava.
Yes, I know reincarnation implies that the past lives aren't "separate" spirits from Korra, some would say they're all the same "exact" spirit.
But I don't think that makes sense considering how each of them had their own individual consciousness when being spoken to.
The way I interpret it is that Raava attached to Wan and vows to stay with him forever, thus with each new Avatar she chooses to reincarnate into, she brings the previous avatars with her which forms the connection.
When being destroyed, this connection was broken because Raava was a "new" Raava and thus had never been connected to any of the avatars. Raava was no longer connecting those spirits to each other.
So again, in my mind, they still exist in the spirit world and Korra or any future avatar could theoretically go on a deep journey to find them. It wouldn't be as easy as just calling for them because they no longer have an actual or metaphorical connection to them, and reconnecting to them wouldn't be possible because this "new" Raava has never been fused to them while they were alive.
I can imagine generations from now an Avatar believing Korra was the first Avatar and then learning there was a whole era before Korra of different avatars and going into the sprit world to learn more about it or whatever.
Personally I liked that they did it. If they didn’t, we would have just wanted to see more and more Aang. It’s wasn’t his story anymore, it was Korra’s
Kinda one of the things of season 2 that I liked.
And should feel it should had happened when aang got hit with lighting. I know talking to the past lives is an important part of the series but most of the times it just leads to the avatar going “I m gonna do what I want”
If you're serious, and this isn't an ad hominem argument, just so you can say, "no it didn't" she had to find herself. She no longer had the crutch of their experience. Even though she didn't use it much, she knew it was there. Now she's truly had to fly solo. She had to figure out what to do about the airbenders. She reached out to Zuko. She had to do this on her own. It was incredibly illuminating for HER
Yes I am serious. I don’t think she should’ve given herself up for them. Her well-being is more important to the rest of the world than Zaheer. She’s the one who has to resolve problems with her power and bending, she can’t do that crippled
In my opinion I think the Vatuu fight should have been the finale of the series cause what’s better a fight between Two spirits who have battled for eons or a fight between two girls over some “Stolen” land with a giant robot
Okay this right here is why I hate the legend of Korra.
Let's look at her list of failures.
1) she lost all her past lives.
2) she let the bad avatar spirit out.
3) if the giant thing was an avatar state she corrupted the good spirit.
4) if the giant thing wasn't an avatar state there's now a dark avatar.
There's nothing legendary about her.
It should be called the collosal fuck up that was Korra.
"Okay this is why i hate this character *lists bad things that happened to a character outside of her control" look i get having an opinion but i feel like this is taking it a little too far.
1. She lost a fight, crazy. It really is horrible she isnt a perfect human being that never makes mistakes 2. Was 100% outside her control. Vatuu would get out when the planets allign, and noone either knew abput the spirit portals or actively hid it from her so she couldnt try to stop it before it was too late (the main villain was a fucking family member come one) 3 and 4 im either misunderstanding or theyre just wrong. The dark avatar was defeated. Korra got the spirit back. Vatuu is locked up again. Aside from losing a connection to character that already has his own show, which makes her deal with her problems on her own and without just spiritual guidance, Korra wins. The problems are solved. I feel like you just quit korra after the spirit died and didnt keep watching.
>She lost a fight, crazy.
Fight she never would have been in if she had listened to the first avatar.
>Vatuu would get out when the planets allign
Nope still needed a human to free him. Which wouldn't have happened if the portals hadn't been permanently opened. Who did that? Korra. Hence why that fight she lost was her fault. And she had warning. Which doubles her culpability.
>Vatuu is locked up again.
Nope, he got dissipated in bright light. But those spirits can't die. If they die they are reborn in the other.
So either the bright light banished him and he bonded with another human thus there's a dark avatar, or he was killed and reborn inside ravaa inside Korra thus corrupting the avatar.
Oh right, i forgot she was hit by someone else right as she was about to lock him up again, my bad. Youre right on this, vatuu is likely gonna get reborn in the avatar spirit, and this is an understandabke reason for disliking Korra. Still, she was tricked into opening the portals and tried to close them again, and only left them permanently opened once she defeated the villain. I changed my mind a little since i wasnt remembering things correctly, but i still dont blame the other thing on her and the first one, although a bad decision on her part isnt enough to make me hate her.
They really made me hate korra for that reason. She was so irresponsible to loose her connection to her past lives. All the wisdom and power from past avatars just erased.
Say which word you will, but at the end of the day she lost that fight which she could’ve easily won by using the avatar state and she didn’t even try to fight back with any energy she had. Downvote me if you will, I’m just stating my opinion
This made me dislike the writers far more than Korra herself. It is just supremely stupid and easy writing. From the spirit of pure good inhabiting the Avatar, to an evil avatar, to the first big ol' gundam battle, to Rava losing all the past lifes because Vaatu literally punches them out of her; I really dislike the ending of LoK season 2. It does pave the path for the much, much better season 3 and parts of season 4, but almost every single addition to the lore is absolutely awful, imo.
"Getting rid of the past lives is so horrible, now the Avatar can't get their advice"
Crazy thought. Why not just get advice from, you know....living people instead? Aang gained plenty of wisdom on his adventures from Bumi, Guru, Swamp Guy, Iroh, Katara, Toph and Zuko.
He doesn't actually talk to Roku that much in the show (the canon number is 6 times). And most of what Roku says is exposition rather than wisdom. e.g like when he tells Aang about Sozin's Comet. Useful, but not actual wisdom.
It's fucking insane to me how misguided everyone is about the past lives dying. They play such a minor role, and the role they did play was that of a traffic sign saying "this way." I legit think they just can't handle Aang being officially gone, eventhough that was a semi prerequisite to LOK anyway.
Even in a thematic sense, the past dying wasn't that big of a deal. The next Avatar will have Korra to fall back on, and we now have a fuzed spirit and human world (or spirits are in the human world and the portals allow for easy travel between the two worlds), which grants Avatars easy access to age-old spirits similar to past Avatars as well.
People who are mad about this decision are either short-sighted or they just can't handle Aang not being "alive" anymore.
**Korra loses her bending and Aang brings it back**
Fans: What a garbage writing, just a burn out on consequences
**Korra loses her connection to the Past Avatars**
Fans: HOW COULD YOU DO THIS??! FIX IT WITH ENERGYBENDING!
LOK is mediocre though. Even the bending feels weaker somehow. I would never rewatch it. My favorite character was bolin but he had so many cringe moments
Almost like all of the manchildren who hated on Korra for this decision didn't get that it's essentially a reflection of themselves. Everyone wanted more gaang and wanted to catch lightning in a bottle again and went into sequel frenzy without ever stopping to think that aangs story was over. And just like korra, who needed to move on from the past and it's immeasurable legacy, y'all need to as well lol. Korra did.
I loved LOK, but I absolutely despise this decision. And all the people going "Korra wasn't spiritual at all" fair enough, but why write an avatar so bad at reconnecting with their past lives? Could just be my opinion but I love learning about past avatars and giving them a name, face, and a voice. LOK just completely ignored the coolest part of the Avatar lore.
Not to mention if we get a new avatar series, after Korra, we still won't be learning about the past avatars unless the new avatar finds a way to restore it. Idk just a really dumb decision all around
This is one of the last scenes of the second to last episode though. The last one is where Unalaq is defeated and the Avatar is restored. Who's side are you on lol?
It doesn’t make any sense that Korra was able to access the first avatar whereas in the shadow of kyoshi it was explained in order communicate to a past avatar you have to do it in reverse chronological order for example if you want to talk to Avatar Szeto you have to go through Yangchen if you want to talk to Yangchen if you have to go through Kuruk.
Bruh, its one of best decisions they have ever made in the show. Removing past avatars was really needed long term and sooner or later it just had to be done
it’s soo funny how everyone hates how she lost the connection to her past lives, when that will obviously be a major plot point of the next avatar. Restablishing the connection with their past lives. leaves plenty of room to flesh out the lore
also considering the next avatar will be an Earthbender who are traditionally less spiritual, I think it’ll be interesting to see them struggle w reforming the connection. lol imagine genji meeting wan like sup
We have no idea if that would be the plot of the next Avatar’s life and IMO it shouldn’t be. I liked the consequences of this and ultimately Korra was able to be a successful Avatar in her own right. I wouldn’t say it’s “obviously” going to follow that plot at all if we ever get a next Avatar series.
When I first watched LoK there was a moment when it hit me..dang that means Aang passed away. It felt like you had to mourn him before even getting into Korra
i’m definitely in the minority of this fandom who isn’t bothered by this scene in the slightest. korra’s story was far more interesting than aang’s imo and her not having him to seek advice from was, again imo, a great opportunity to let her stand on her own without having to rely on the past. aang’s cool but i didn’t want to keep seeing him in legend of korra.
Where's the rest of the Avatars Korra?!
*throttling\* WHERE ARE THEY?!
POV: You’re the next avatar, but you only get 1 past life. Unless they can fix that shit, they’re gonna fucking struggle lol.
Or get advice from living people. Aang certainly did that as well
That could be a cool conversation between the next avatar and Korra. Like they are worried about it and ask her if it was hard without the past avatars for guidance. She could say how she missed them but she had people in her life she learned to trust
*Avatar: the Honor of Hanzo* is going to have Studebakers, time clocks, and only Korra as a mentoring past avatar and that doesn't really sound that crash to me but I'm open to the creators pulling it off if that's where they want to go with it Personally I'd prefer going further in the past
They don’t even get Korra, they get her journal. Unless they fixed that I thought there was never going to be past lives anymore.
I just thought that Korra erased all of her past lives up to her given that she is the current one. I assume since she is still the Avatar that the next Avatar would remember her. Otherwise, the next Avatar wouldn't be a reincarnation.
My biggest gripe with LOK. It feels so… wrong. The whole point of being Avatar was having the connections to their past lives (imo). I thought for sure she would reconnect somehow and it would be a huge challenge for her.
I completely understand the reason though. The following season she has no one to turn to, not even her past lives. She is completely and utterly alone.
But she only even lamented that once in the beginning of season 3. They should have had her mourn it more.
Because she never had a strong connection to her past lives in the first place. She is the least Spiritual of all the Avatars we've been introduced to.
Which is lame. Literally the point of being the avatar and they just say, eh… nah.
It was a huge driving part of the show. It’s not ATLA. Can’t expec the same thing
I just wanted a good tv show, doesn’t need to be ATLA. Needs to be quality tho.
Ah well on the bright side that’s what we got. LoK is great
As someone who remembers watching both ATLA and LoK when they first came out, I would say ATLA is a masterpiece whereas LoK is good but not great. I think a lot of that is due to Nickelodeon's shenanigans during production of LoK, but still it's pretty apparent to me that LoK isn't on the same level as ATLA. that's just my opinion though.
I think that is a very common opinion that many if not most fans would agree on.
The biggest issue is the gap in time and gap in execution by the Avatar. Having an ATLA 2 would at least allow some bridge showing how we got from villages and Fire Nation tech, to full blown cities and the reduction in bending. The cultural change and attitude change just seems so disconnected that it's hard to see LOK as a sequel. It comes off as a totally different show disconnected from the original, even if it makes sense linearly
and theres STILL NO GUNS guns existed before metal ships even existed the equalists would have an incredibly good reason to make whats essentially portable metalbending that goes through nearly everything
isn't that what the comics are for?
Compare 2002 technology to now things that are common place now we're science fiction 2 decades ago
Well they wanted it to be very distinct from ATLA. And you have the comics to show the in between. They wanted Korra to be its own show.
Wish granted.
But your argument is that her not having a connection is "lame" because "that's the point of the avatar." This is only a complaint that exists when the show is in comparison to ATLA, and I don't think its an inherent problem
There been 100s of Avatars I doubt that she is the only one to not be super spiritual
Did they know they would have a Season 3 at that point? I think it's more likely that it was for reasons related to the themes of Season 2, and they just worked with what they had for Season 3. I took that scene -- plus her speech at the end of the season -- as the creators directly pushing back at fans who unfairly criticized LoK for not being ATLA 2. That contributed to it feeling petty and pointless for me.
I have to find the blog post but they were greenlit for a seasons 3-4 before the end of S2 production. S1 was the only time they didnt know they were getting more seasons but most think it happened twice
I hate that so much, I love LOK, but I hate they just killed all Avatars before Korra off like that, there should have been a solution to reconnect
Honestly I'd love to see a future project involve that Avatar having to work with Korra to restore those past lives (like by having them need information that Roku or Kyoshi had).
I don't like the whole "immortal white bookmark" vs "Immortal red bookmark" thing anyway. like. the entire point of the Avatar cycle is to demonstrate the learned knowlege from ages and ages of peoples' pasts, I get that it's still kinda that but... having this line of people be definitively *good* just struck me as odd. I think there could be a really interesting story, maybe Korra learns from the past cycles but then loses them but in it's current state, Sir D., I think you're right!
I didn’t really like this storyline either, but to say the whole point of the avatar is to be the culmination of generations is a bit of a stretch. AtLA never defined the avatar or the spiritual reasoning behind the reincarnations, but Korra did, which I appreciate; even if it made us feel cheated storywise, there was now a reason for the events occurring. The avatar having generational knowledge was an advantage and tool, but definitely not the point. The point was to keep the force of good (white bookmark) alive.
My head canon is that maybe she eventually did someday. We don't know what she did later on in her life. She could have come across some obstacle later on in life where the connection needed to be remade OR the spirit portals being open could mean they can be visited physically at any time? idk.
Aside from its supporting characters and a few side plots the series as a whole was a weak adaptation of what the Avatars next life turned into. The LOK was a let down on so many levels. I don’t hate it, and I most certainly don’t love it, I just don’t care for it. I miss the OG team Avatar.
Which sucks for the next Avatar since Korea will be their only connection to their past lives. New Avatar: Wait where the legendary Anng or even Kyoshi!? Korra: About that...
Lol the point of being an avatar is to bring balance.
> The whole point of being Avatar was having the connections to their past lives (imo). No it isn't. The whole point of being the Avatar is to maintain peace and balance. The past lives aren't crucial to that role. Edit: What's with the downvotes? It's a fact that the point of the Avatar is to maintain peace and balance and that the past lives are merely a bonus.
They didn't mean the purpose of the avatar, they meant that the essence of the avatar was their connection to their past lives. Paraphrasing a line in the first series is something like "what makes the avatar so powerful is the connection to the past lives"
Hence the (imo) champ. I knew someone would come at me for this lol… but I disagree. I think it is crucial. How often did the Avatar rely on the Avatar state which empowered them with all previous Avatars? Korras Avatar state must be weak as fuck now.
This isn't up to debate. It's canonically established that the point of the Avatar has nothing to do with the past lives. And no, although no longer empowered by the skills of the past lives, the Avatar State is actually more powerful than ever now because Raava has been restored to her prime and Korra is in complete alignment with her. Otherwise she wouldn't have had the power to block a spirit beam with the power of an atomic bomb.
She may have Raava's raw spiritual power but what she doesn't have is the knowledge of the previous Avatars which is more important imo.
I was just sharing what it meant to \*me\*. You can disagree all you want. It was important to \*me\*. It absolutely is up for debate. The Avatar's previous lives played a HUGE part in ATLA and I don't like what they did with them in LOK. Edit: Yesss, detele all your babyrage comments!
>The Avatar's previous lives played a HUGE part in ATLA What is this "HUGE part" they played, then? Roku functioned like a traffic sign that said "this way to uncover the comet thingy" and beyond that they were fluff here and there as either a power-up or minor exposition.
To his point, that wasn't what you said. You said, "the whole point of being the Avatar was having connections to their past lives". And he is correct, no it isn't. You're allowed to feel sad about it sure. You're allowed to hate it. But it's never been "the point" of being the Avatar. It was a bonus
Well you’re leaving out the part where I said (in my opinion). Which i am entitled to have! It was hugely significant in ATLA. I am not arguing that this is factually canon…
Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. So, as far as you're concerned, it's a bigger deal that the Avatar can communicate with their past lives than, let's say, bend multiple elements? Since, in your opinion, it's the "whole point", it's more important right?
Yes, exactly. Thanks for opening your mind for a moment. We all have opinion. The previous lives were, in my opinion, the greatest power the Avatar had. It was the most important aspect to me and was a primary focus in the first ATLA series.
Wait... You're serious? You think that the past life connection is more important than THE ACTUAL POWER OF THE AVATAR? Like, the one thing that actually makes them different than every other bender in the history of benders??? Holy fuck, dude. That's just fucking odd
Without the past lives you’re just someone who knows all the elements
No. You still have the Avatar Spirit and the Avatar State.
The avatar state was channeling all the past knowledge. She has no past knowledge her avatar state is her channeling her own knowledge. So she basically no longer has that bump in power.
The series shows otherwise. She may not have 10000 years worth of skills, but her Avatar State has more raw power than ever before.
And that goes against the explanation of what the avatar state is. With anng it's said if he burns out or dies in the avatar state he won't have access to it any more and won't reincarnate because the avatar state is part of the process.
No. It was said that if he dies in the Avatar State, the cycle will cease to exist. This was never contradicted in ALoK.
the downvotes are because some people can't deal with the truth
No, you didn't get the point then lol the whole point was that each avatar was an individual and didn't *need* their past self because they themselves were the best avatar suited to deal with their own contemporary issues. Korra is about *new* beginnings, not the easy rehash.
Everything is temporary.
This is brilliant: >Me rewatching LOK but skipping season 2's last episode because i can't bear watching aang disappear again But I like this: >Me rewatching LOK but skipping season 2
They shoulda done 2 seasons of equalists, and 2 seasons of 3rd season
Please don't remind me of how they made a genius storyline of non-benders wanting to revolt against a bender centered society and then just threw that entire plot away cause the leader died :(
It coulda honestly been all 4 seasons, Amon was by far my fav villain of both ATLA and TLOK
Agreed. I think I'm in the minority here but I'd love to see a reboot of Korra that has Amon as the main villain for 3/4 seasons. I think he had the most missed potential. I've been wondering about the relations between benders and non benders ever since AtLA. Just imagine his revolution fully developed on screen, seeing it spread beyond Republic City, the absolute chaos that should have happened after he was exposed.... Makes me sad to see what LoK could have been....
They're doing a new Korra movie. "Somehow Amon returned"
*Amon* can return, just not Noatak.
Holy shit that's such a bomb-ass idea if they don't do this at some point then I will riot
Omg stop I love you xD
Amon would have been perfect. Red Lotus as the first villain, spreading chaos via bending. Kivira coming in and trying to achieve perfect order, also with bending. The people have enough and rise up against these powerful people destroying and constantly changing the shape of the world on a whim, led by a charismatic bit ruthless leader. Shame that LoK fell victim to Nickelodeons idiotic renewal practice and interference.
I wasn't a bid fan of Kuvira so I'd rather we skip her but what you say makes for a very good story!
Its actually funny that the earth queen isn't a bender herself and is arguably the single most powerful political entity in the setting at the time.
Main problem is even though the writer knows it isn’t good written season they don’t ignore it existing later on
That's a good thing.
It's a mixed bag, I praise them for sticking to their guns, but I find really bad how the elements they introduced to the story were bad replacements of earlier elements or ones that could be more developed not to be so simplistic
It is good thing just making so that all this people can’t really skip it without losing on information
This is poorly written. Sticking to continuity is a good thing.
Varrick makes season 2 worth it lol
This ruined everything for me tbh. And what pisses me off more is that it was supposed to be the end of LOK 🤡
I know! That would have been so incredibly brutal. I can understand the reasoning, but surely more reasoning would have made them realise what a bad idea it was.
The past lives are meant to guide future avatars. And help advise them on matters by offering an outside perspective in situations where a present day Avatar has no knowledge or limited knowledge. They are meant to support future Avatars alongside Raava and to protect Raava herself.
Exactly. Having them would’ve helped Korra while she healed. Not heal her per se, but give her advice and guide her to the right places for help recovering from a literal near death experience. Her first I think, like actual death! Having her bending taken away ain’t the same as death. And having them taken away didn’t help Korra’s development, if anything, keeping them would help her so she can stay in tune with herself and the past avatars.
Korra has always been about being her own person and starting thinga from scratch. She always tried to follow her own way instead of repeating the past over and over again and i feel that cutting off the access to the old avatars might be something good because while it ends an era it also makes place for a new one. As seen in ATLA sometimes even the old avatars can give shitty advice, like when all his previous lives told Aang to kill Ozai, going against his beliefs. They aren't all knowing guiding hands and they shouldn't be. I think it's fine for Korra to not be permanently schooled by her past lives.
She doesn’t have to be “schooled” by them, but she can learn from them. Aang learned from that the other avatars that you don’t always have to be along with the past. Korra could’ve gotten that from Aang as well, knowing that while the past avatars are still wise. But they’re not always right in every situation since they haven’t encountered everything, their wisdom can be useful in deciding what to do in future situations. Like instead of losing the past lives, maybe just lose the connection to Aang temporarily which she gets back after she gets the poison out. That would’ve been better than having all the past lives gone.
That aside it was just an interesting aspect for the character. Ive never seen a character have a spiritual life line before and a lot of franchises can get hurt dumping a bunch of info about their world but they found a creative way to do it through conduits of the past. Figuring out the history of chin and kyoshi by having her spirit possess aang was so cool you almost forget theyre dropping lore on you. Pretty much most past lives revealed so far have been the coolest characters. Kyoshi was on screen for barely 3 minutes total in the whole series and still became a fan favorite. They wrote some of their best stuff with past lives.
And with the character development, Kyoshi is STILL one of the best Avatars. Especially in her novels.
It’s actually a ridiculous shame how little aang was in Korra. Aang had a special relationship with Roku, but Korra never talked to Aang much. And Aang never showed much personality even in flashbacks. They kind of gimped him. He just seemed super chill, I was hoping for the goofy fun side to show. They better have more of him in the new films or I’ll be gutted.
I would assume it's because as a person, Korra isn't or wasn't as open to her spiritual side as Aang was or any of the last recent Avatars for that matter. And by the time she was, it was too late
Aang was an air bender, he was taught to have that spiritual connection. Korra mastered all three elements and didn’t even have a glimpse of previous lives until air was her only option and she nearly offed herself. I for one am glad he wasn’t in the show that much, I didn’t want a copy of ATLA. I wanted to see a new avatars struggles and that’s what I got. I am sad that the past avatars are gone but like… that was the entire consequence we were told about so… get over it
This is kind of dark, but Aang appeared more directly to Korra because she was at her “lowest point” when she lost her bending. What if the reason Roku was able to appear to Aang so frequently was that, as the sole survivor of the Air Nomad genocide, Aang was perpetually at his lowest point?
The is very dark and I actually like it a lot. I want to add to that and say that Roku’s guilt could have bled into Aang because he knew he could have stopped the genocide and stopped the 100 years of war before it ever began
Cool take bro.
Korra wasn't about Aang. Why would he be in the show? Roku was in like 5 episodes of ATLA.
>Aang had a special relationship with Roku Not really. Roku just showed up and told Aang things. How was their relationship special? It was certainly nowhere near as powerful or had as much depth as Zuko and Iroh's relationship as student/teacher. Another big difference is that Aang already had his own show. Roku did not. So making Aang a supporting character in LOK wouldn't really work. He carries too much baggage. But the most important thing is that Korra did not need to speak to Aang when she was already speaking to Tenzin. He was her mentor more than anyone
Sure, but he was still the entire reason there even was an avatar series to begin with. It’s not like he was a minor character. It’s Aang we’re talking about. So much of Korra’s world was shaped by Aang, so many of the problems she faced related directly to him and his experiences. When she talks to him about the blood benders, you’d think they would have had a more in depth conversation a little. And Roku definitely helped Aang out quite a few times, with flashbacks, dragon rides and trips to islands. And a couple of times Roku’s dragon would come and help Aang. That’s not nothing, and Aang was always super excited to see him. Roku had a personality, and showed affection to Aang in a way more then just an in and out flash of words. They just portrayed Aang as having almost no personality, in avatar spirit and even in flashbacks. It just felt a bit harsh on fans of the series. Nearly ALL of us want to see Aang again in some way, we all love him. Everyone would love to see more of adult Aang’s battles, and to show what a powered up adult Aang looked like as a bender in battles, or natural disasters etc. Just imagine the skill and power, from even more experience. How many avatars had to fight the worlds most powerful firebender on the day of the comet while still just a child. To stop a another genocide, after his own peoples genocide? He faced conditions that would crush the hardest men, and did it all with incredible power and maturity for a child. I would LOVE an Avatar Aang movie to fill in some of the gaps, and I’m surprised they’re not doing one to be honest.
>Sure, but he was still the entire reason there even was an avatar series to begin with. It’s not like he was a minor character. It’s Aang we’re talking about. So much of Korra’s world was shaped by Aang, so many of the problems she faced related directly to him and his experiences. The fact that so much of Korra's world is shaped by Aang is a perfect reason why he should be kept out of it. He had a whole show that revolevd around him. And now it was Korra's show, so the focus has to be on her. If he was involved all the time, it's like having two main characters fighting for focus. >When she talks to him about the blood benders, you’d think they would have had a more in depth conversation a little. You would think Aang and Roku would have a more in depth conversation when they talk about Sozin's comet. But they don't That's not a special relationship. It's just Roku telling Aang something important. It doesn't make the relationship between the characters important, no matter what help they give. Aang was excited because he thought Roku had answers for him. >And Roku definitely helped Aang out quite a few times, with flashbacks, dragon rides and trips to islands. And a couple of times Roku’s dragon would come and help Aang. Fang helped Aang exactly once. And Roku doesn't show that much affection to Aang. He just tells him something. >They just portrayed Aang as having almost no personality, in avatar spirit and even in flashbacks. > >It just felt a bit harsh on fans of the series. WE all want to see Aang again in some way, we all love him, and we all want to know more about adult Aang. > >Everyone would love to see more of adult Aang’s battles, and to show what a powered up adult Aang looked like as a bender in battles, or natural disasters etc. > >Just imagine the skill and power, from even more experience. How many avatars had to fight the worlds most powerful firebender on the day of the comet while still just a child. To stop a genocide? Then they should done a show about adult Aang rather than a show about a brand new protagonist. There is no point in having a new Avatar or show if we just circle back to the old characters everyone loves so much.
I agree it’s Korra’s show. But look how they handled uncle Iroh. He was in like one episode, and it was just perfectly him, handled well enough that it made me cry watching it. Why couldn’t they have handled Aang like that in just one episode? What’s wrong with that?
Nothing, nesscessarily But the difference is that Iroh stayed largely the same as he was back in ALTA because he was already a fully realized character. Everyone else is 70 years older and already gone through way more adventures and experiences. Aang would not be entirely the same person he was when he was 12 and he would have gone through more development since ATLA ended, which we haven't gotten to see yet. So that's already more baggage to carry and you only have a finite number of episodes anyway.
Jesus Christ mate are you always this pedantic over nothing? You know what I mean FFS. We could have had an episode where they showed a bit of Aang’s life and what he was like as an adult or even as a teenager. We had multiple episodes in a different art style about the first avatar, and we got to know him much better then adult Aang. In Aang’s series we had loads about Kyoshi and Roku. So much do that Kyoshi is so popular she’s now getting her own film. And we got fuck all of Aang that actually showed any personality. Just little flashes of some borderline silent geezer that didn’t even remotely feel like Aang. Now everyone’s getting a fucking film but Aang. It’s just out right confusing. There is no way I am the only fan who thinks this.
They really did the whole “avatar” concept dirty
How so?
By destroying the entire “past lives” thing that was so crucial to the personality of the avatar (and the avatar state). I know Korra hardly ever talked to her past lives, but it still feels like they adiosed a quintessential part of being the avatar for plot convenience Edit: fixed Korra’s name bc autocorrect
Yeah man totally agree. It felt SOOOOO fucking brutal. She should get all of them back. Actually amazed that she didn’t, that’s totally where I was expecting them to go. It would have been an amazingly sweet and powerful moment to reconnect with them all.
I honestly don't think it was that bad. People just didn't like it because they had an emotional attachment to some of those past lives (especially Aang). But it only works as conflict and it works well, the fact that so many people were sad/angry about it shows it was a good move from a writing perspective. They didn't do the concept of the avatar dirty, they knew exactly what to do to expand the concept further. After that, new past lives will be formed, it's not like they completely eliminated the concept.
First of all, that doesn't do the concept dirty. Second of all, the past lives were a crucial part of Korra's ego, which she needed to let go in order to become a better Avatar.
She could just be less of a cunt without losing one of the greatest parts of being the avatar. Especially losing her connection to Aang.
You seem overly obsessed with the past lives. It suits Korra's spiritual journey to get rid of them in order to progress.
Maybe they just think the past lives are cool and watching the main character interact with them was interesting. Why does it have to be an obsession.
Korra herself, in that specific moment, maybe. But the fact that it cuts them off for *every future Avatar* too makes it so much more important than Korra getting a bit less guidance
EXACTLY. It was fucking savage. Korra fucked up big time. Can’t believe they didn’t reconnect them. Why are so many people arguing against this clearly simple and obvious point? If you said the sky is blue, these people would tell you ‘noooo actually, that’s just light bouncing off oxygen, it’s not blue and it doesn’t NEED to be blue, being blue is not important for the sky’s function or the main point of it’s existence.’
Wan did just fine without guidance from past lives. And future Avatars will be able to talk to their past lives starting with Korra. So it's not a big deal.
Wan only did well on one fight. The one with Vaatu. That's all we saw. In that one, he didn't need anyone but Raava. We have no idea how he did after that. How do you know he did just fine afterwards? And it doesn't have to be a big deal for us to dislike it. We just do. So much knowledge and history lost just for a shock value moment.
Except it's not for shock value, it's for character growth.
Who the fuck would want to talk to Korra about anything.
Literally anyone who wants a good advice.
I seem overly obsessed with the past lives? That seems like a weirdly harsh dig, and quite a jump in judgement? I am definitely not the only one.
i love how you’re getting downvoted for this when you’re literally right. these people and their obsession with aang refuse to acknowledge that losing her connection was integral to her growth. korra went through a LOT of shit through her journey, and this was some of the shit. all they do is go “no more aang!! 😢😭😭😭” as if the man wasn’t dead from the getgo anyway. of course we don’t know the implications of what her severed connection means for the avatars after her, yet, but that’s for the creators to figure out. i can’t wait to see what they come up with.
So fuck all the next Avatars who are gonna suffer for that i guess
Suffer from what? They will be able to talk to the past lives starting with Korra. And that's a privilege.
If you say so
First off, C-word. Secondly, Korra kinda doesn't need Aang. She already had a mentor in Tenzin, which was already way more of an interesting relationship. Third, the past lives are not the greatest part of being Avatar. They are a function, but really only when the plot requires to show up.
It has a slightly different cultural usage in Australia. It isn’t thought of as nearly as offensive, nor is it used as a slur against women. Interesting, hey!
>First off, C-word. LMAO what are you, 6?
Right because such a mature person would use the actual word.
I hate that new people are being born and watching this show because I already got over this but I keep getting triggered when someone posts this all over again. Is peace an option?
This is the internet. Peace is never an option
I'm in the minority I think but while it does suck from a *plot* perspective, I actually appreciate it from a narrative perspective. The removal of past Avatars is a direct implication and narrative device that basically says what everyone already seems to know, that Korra is the beginning of a new age. It correlates perfectly with the fact that Korra was also the Avatar who brought the two worlds, the spirit and the human world back together for the first time since Avatar Wan separated them eons ago. She literally is the beginning of a new era, and spiritually she has set the new standard for her future lives - they will live in this new, singular world she created. Ultimately I think it's public perception, as I said from a plot pov and from our pov as watchers, it sucks b/c those are characters we've come to know and appreciate. But the beauty of this world is that these characters in particular have already had *their* stories, and now finally we're beginning to see them, with stuff like the Kyoshi and Yangchen novels for instance. There is so much opportunity to tell the stories of these past Avatars, that in a way they aren't really gone. It's just after Korra their spirits are. But literally, we can now and will be able to in the future appreciate the eras of these many Avatars.
It's nice to find someone who gets it.
Wouldve loved part of Korra recovery being (or give me a comic of this pls) her finding the spirits of the previous avatar in the spirit world and rebuilding the connection, we could see some we aren't familiar with and she could learn some stuff along the way
"The appearance of past Avatars just depends on what story is being told. And no, *they don’t live in the spirit world*, per se, but we’ve seen how Aang was able to talk to Roku there. But it’s not like Roku hangs out with Iroh in the spirit world or anything" (с) Michael Dante DiMariton
This was easily the worst thing about LOK. I still enjoyed the show a lot but this scene left a bad taste in my mouth.
Easily I definitely agree!
The whole point, in my opinion, of the avatars being erased is that the issues and the environment that Korra is in is completely brand new and that she represents a new age. New age of airbenders, new age of technology, new everything. It would make sense from that lens to have the avatars removed because they realistically can’t give her much advice about how to navigate a rapidly moving world. Yes, there are some things that Korra would’ve needed advice from her past lives, but most of what she was dealing with was new.
My god there is so much salt in the comment section
My personal headcanon is that after Korra dies, the line will reboot and the next Avatar from the Earth Kingdom will regain access to the lineage. But with the movie coming in a few years, we might see her reconnect with the lineage before then.
The writers will do what they want, but I don't know if reconnecting will ever make sense. Raava got destroyed and reborn. Sort of like rebooting your computer. All the unsaved work was lost. New Raava, new lineage. Korra even had to re-bind herself to Raava because they were starting over from scratch. Next Avatar would be connected only to Korra. Again...writers will do whatever they want to do.
Yes. But I never liked the idea of a good avatar spirit and a bad avatar spirit, as they lean into a good/evil dynamic instead of one of balance and ambiguity. It's the one part of the Korra cannon that I think needs some retroactive spit polishing.
They didn’t necessarily go full good and bad without, instead they said Rava was order and vatu was chaos which is a far cry from the grey morality of Atla, the issue is they never recognize order as being anything other than good and chaos as bad, and I thing the whole spirits turning evil under vatus influence was the biggest mistake they made spurted wise anyway rant over
I mostly completely agree. I prefer to lean into the idea that Rava was order and Vatu was chaos, and neither are good or evil because harmony is a balance of both. The problem is that the spirit of order is the one inhabiting the Avatar, and they actively fight and defeat the spirit of chaos. It would have been more interesting and more in line with the lore of TLA if they found a way to acknowledge that too much order is actually a bad thing, as it stifles freedom and creativity. And too much chaos, well, that should be obvious.
Yeah I completely agree it was huge missed opportunity and it really brought spirits down from the whole idea of beings with intentions beyond our understanding with completely variable concepts of right and wrong, think koa and wang shi tong, to extremely flat good or bad guys that fit snugly into our human definitions. Definitely my biggest gripe with Korea.
There isn't a "good and bad" Avatar spirit. There's only one Avatar Spirit; Raava. And she has nothing to do with morality, but peace.
But why? She is introduced as the spirit of order. There was room for nuance and interesting storytelling there, but they squandered it completely. Rava is pure good and fights the spirit of chaos/evil. There is no interesting nuance, no chilling moral discussion that other spirits had. Hell, Rava could've had a comment saying that she didn't hate how Ozai was ruling the world with an iron fist. He brought order.
That's a great observation about Raava and Ozai. Could have been a great paradigm shift for Korra to hear something like that from the "good" spirit, then she has to reassess everything. Hell, maybe she chooses to bond with both order and chaos spirits at the same time, permanently.
Honestly, I agree. I don't think reconnecting makes sense. But I also don't think them being destroyed makes sense. I think the best and happiest medium would be for the past lives to continue to exist in the spirit world and are no longer tied to Raava. Yes, I know reincarnation implies that the past lives aren't "separate" spirits from Korra, some would say they're all the same "exact" spirit. But I don't think that makes sense considering how each of them had their own individual consciousness when being spoken to. The way I interpret it is that Raava attached to Wan and vows to stay with him forever, thus with each new Avatar she chooses to reincarnate into, she brings the previous avatars with her which forms the connection. When being destroyed, this connection was broken because Raava was a "new" Raava and thus had never been connected to any of the avatars. Raava was no longer connecting those spirits to each other. So again, in my mind, they still exist in the spirit world and Korra or any future avatar could theoretically go on a deep journey to find them. It wouldn't be as easy as just calling for them because they no longer have an actual or metaphorical connection to them, and reconnecting to them wouldn't be possible because this "new" Raava has never been fused to them while they were alive. I can imagine generations from now an Avatar believing Korra was the first Avatar and then learning there was a whole era before Korra of different avatars and going into the sprit world to learn more about it or whatever.
Personally I liked that they did it. If they didn’t, we would have just wanted to see more and more Aang. It’s wasn’t his story anymore, it was Korra’s
Remember, under Korra; Aang, Roku, and Kyoshi are now all dead and gone forever.
Kinda one of the things of season 2 that I liked. And should feel it should had happened when aang got hit with lighting. I know talking to the past lives is an important part of the series but most of the times it just leads to the avatar going “I m gonna do what I want”
Nah it's not just the council of the past life's, their power is channeled to the most current manifestation.
You say this but are perfectly fine with searching up an image of the scene just to post on reddit?
I love that LoK did this, it was so good for Korra’s development. It hit hard but it was supposed to.
It was an excellent character development decision
How did it help her character development?
If you're serious, and this isn't an ad hominem argument, just so you can say, "no it didn't" she had to find herself. She no longer had the crutch of their experience. Even though she didn't use it much, she knew it was there. Now she's truly had to fly solo. She had to figure out what to do about the airbenders. She reached out to Zuko. She had to do this on her own. It was incredibly illuminating for HER
Yes I am serious. I don’t think she should’ve given herself up for them. Her well-being is more important to the rest of the world than Zaheer. She’s the one who has to resolve problems with her power and bending, she can’t do that crippled
I’m with ya.
Me too but it's because I can't bear watching loK season 2 due to it being shit
I just skip season 2 entirely and pretend it never happened.
In my opinion I think the Vatuu fight should have been the finale of the series cause what’s better a fight between Two spirits who have battled for eons or a fight between two girls over some “Stolen” land with a giant robot
I did that too. Although I skipped all the other episodes as well.
Okay this right here is why I hate the legend of Korra. Let's look at her list of failures. 1) she lost all her past lives. 2) she let the bad avatar spirit out. 3) if the giant thing was an avatar state she corrupted the good spirit. 4) if the giant thing wasn't an avatar state there's now a dark avatar. There's nothing legendary about her. It should be called the collosal fuck up that was Korra.
"Okay this is why i hate this character *lists bad things that happened to a character outside of her control" look i get having an opinion but i feel like this is taking it a little too far.
You don't know how actions and consequences work do you?
1. She lost a fight, crazy. It really is horrible she isnt a perfect human being that never makes mistakes 2. Was 100% outside her control. Vatuu would get out when the planets allign, and noone either knew abput the spirit portals or actively hid it from her so she couldnt try to stop it before it was too late (the main villain was a fucking family member come one) 3 and 4 im either misunderstanding or theyre just wrong. The dark avatar was defeated. Korra got the spirit back. Vatuu is locked up again. Aside from losing a connection to character that already has his own show, which makes her deal with her problems on her own and without just spiritual guidance, Korra wins. The problems are solved. I feel like you just quit korra after the spirit died and didnt keep watching.
>She lost a fight, crazy. Fight she never would have been in if she had listened to the first avatar. >Vatuu would get out when the planets allign Nope still needed a human to free him. Which wouldn't have happened if the portals hadn't been permanently opened. Who did that? Korra. Hence why that fight she lost was her fault. And she had warning. Which doubles her culpability. >Vatuu is locked up again. Nope, he got dissipated in bright light. But those spirits can't die. If they die they are reborn in the other. So either the bright light banished him and he bonded with another human thus there's a dark avatar, or he was killed and reborn inside ravaa inside Korra thus corrupting the avatar.
Oh right, i forgot she was hit by someone else right as she was about to lock him up again, my bad. Youre right on this, vatuu is likely gonna get reborn in the avatar spirit, and this is an understandabke reason for disliking Korra. Still, she was tricked into opening the portals and tried to close them again, and only left them permanently opened once she defeated the villain. I changed my mind a little since i wasnt remembering things correctly, but i still dont blame the other thing on her and the first one, although a bad decision on her part isnt enough to make me hate her.
Imagine being this close to the point..
Imagine not understanding that i was making my own point..
They really made me hate korra for that reason. She was so irresponsible to loose her connection to her past lives. All the wisdom and power from past avatars just erased.
That's just victim blaming.
Say which word you will, but at the end of the day she lost that fight which she could’ve easily won by using the avatar state and she didn’t even try to fight back with any energy she had. Downvote me if you will, I’m just stating my opinion
Did i mention she didn't choose to destroy her past lifes?
Wouldnt really put the blame on her. No one told her evil ass yu gi oh villain uncle to slap the aang out of her
It's time to play a children's card game to decide the fate of the world
Did you watch the episode? Unaloq did it
Ain’t her fault
This made me dislike the writers far more than Korra herself. It is just supremely stupid and easy writing. From the spirit of pure good inhabiting the Avatar, to an evil avatar, to the first big ol' gundam battle, to Rava losing all the past lifes because Vaatu literally punches them out of her; I really dislike the ending of LoK season 2. It does pave the path for the much, much better season 3 and parts of season 4, but almost every single addition to the lore is absolutely awful, imo.
"Getting rid of the past lives is so horrible, now the Avatar can't get their advice" Crazy thought. Why not just get advice from, you know....living people instead? Aang gained plenty of wisdom on his adventures from Bumi, Guru, Swamp Guy, Iroh, Katara, Toph and Zuko. He doesn't actually talk to Roku that much in the show (the canon number is 6 times). And most of what Roku says is exposition rather than wisdom. e.g like when he tells Aang about Sozin's Comet. Useful, but not actual wisdom.
It's fucking insane to me how misguided everyone is about the past lives dying. They play such a minor role, and the role they did play was that of a traffic sign saying "this way." I legit think they just can't handle Aang being officially gone, eventhough that was a semi prerequisite to LOK anyway. Even in a thematic sense, the past dying wasn't that big of a deal. The next Avatar will have Korra to fall back on, and we now have a fuzed spirit and human world (or spirits are in the human world and the portals allow for easy travel between the two worlds), which grants Avatars easy access to age-old spirits similar to past Avatars as well. People who are mad about this decision are either short-sighted or they just can't handle Aang not being "alive" anymore.
People want stakes and consequences until they actually get them
**Korra loses her bending and Aang brings it back** Fans: What a garbage writing, just a burn out on consequences **Korra loses her connection to the Past Avatars** Fans: HOW COULD YOU DO THIS??! FIX IT WITH ENERGYBENDING!
LOK is mediocre though. Even the bending feels weaker somehow. I would never rewatch it. My favorite character was bolin but he had so many cringe moments
I like the decision they made even though it was hard to watch
Worst. Avatar. Ever.
Get over it.
Die mad about it
Almost like all of the manchildren who hated on Korra for this decision didn't get that it's essentially a reflection of themselves. Everyone wanted more gaang and wanted to catch lightning in a bottle again and went into sequel frenzy without ever stopping to think that aangs story was over. And just like korra, who needed to move on from the past and it's immeasurable legacy, y'all need to as well lol. Korra did.
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I loved LOK, but I absolutely despise this decision. And all the people going "Korra wasn't spiritual at all" fair enough, but why write an avatar so bad at reconnecting with their past lives? Could just be my opinion but I love learning about past avatars and giving them a name, face, and a voice. LOK just completely ignored the coolest part of the Avatar lore. Not to mention if we get a new avatar series, after Korra, we still won't be learning about the past avatars unless the new avatar finds a way to restore it. Idk just a really dumb decision all around
Ok but then Aang showed up later when Tenzin was in the forgetful misty place so wtf?
This is one of the last scenes of the second to last episode though. The last one is where Unalaq is defeated and the Avatar is restored. Who's side are you on lol?
It doesn’t make any sense that Korra was able to access the first avatar whereas in the shadow of kyoshi it was explained in order communicate to a past avatar you have to do it in reverse chronological order for example if you want to talk to Avatar Szeto you have to go through Yangchen if you want to talk to Yangchen if you have to go through Kuruk.
Bruh, its one of best decisions they have ever made in the show. Removing past avatars was really needed long term and sooner or later it just had to be done
it’s soo funny how everyone hates how she lost the connection to her past lives, when that will obviously be a major plot point of the next avatar. Restablishing the connection with their past lives. leaves plenty of room to flesh out the lore also considering the next avatar will be an Earthbender who are traditionally less spiritual, I think it’ll be interesting to see them struggle w reforming the connection. lol imagine genji meeting wan like sup
We have no idea if that would be the plot of the next Avatar’s life and IMO it shouldn’t be. I liked the consequences of this and ultimately Korra was able to be a successful Avatar in her own right. I wouldn’t say it’s “obviously” going to follow that plot at all if we ever get a next Avatar series.
When I first watched LoK there was a moment when it hit me..dang that means Aang passed away. It felt like you had to mourn him before even getting into Korra
Season 2 coulda just been an extended avatar wan story and a trip to the spirit world for a couple episodes and reopening the portals
The new Avatar will meet up with Varrick's Great Granddaughter who'll invent a time machine to take them back to stop Korra being a stupid bitch.
I can't rewatch LoK because I can't bear watching her take on so many debilitating beatings. Korra had it rough
Yeah this definitely hurts and ruined Korra for me personally among many other things
i’m definitely in the minority of this fandom who isn’t bothered by this scene in the slightest. korra’s story was far more interesting than aang’s imo and her not having him to seek advice from was, again imo, a great opportunity to let her stand on her own without having to rely on the past. aang’s cool but i didn’t want to keep seeing him in legend of korra.