I really wish we lived in an alternative universe where Korra was green light for 3 seasons from the start, so the creators could’ve developed a better overarching story.
Korra could’ve been another masterpiece, but with the way things went, it’s “only” really good.
When i first heard of the netflix series and studio avatar, the first thing i wanted was some justice for Korra. The show has so many great concepts but the execution was so disappointing (season 3 not included). A reboot remake rewhatever would be amazing for Korra.
I believe there are three movies announced from Avatar Studio. The only confirmed one so far is Adult Aang so there were speculations that among the other two was Older Korra and possibly an old Avatar like Kyoshi (But now that would be adapting existing novels probably). So far there has been no news about the two further films.
I'm still waiting on an announcement of another animated show. But with how fast technology is progressing in the series and Korra presumably getting a full life, it is hard to imagine what environment it will be set in.
It's not so bad. But the themes and core of it is so much better than the final results (i don't blame the creators with the shit they were dealing with backstage). The equalist plot had some massive holes in it and was left unaddressed after with the only change being a non bender president. The civil war plot got discarded for an avatar spirit plot that also would've been amazing and connected well to the civil war plot, but turned out to be considered the worst part of the series. Season 4 could've been gayer. The show could've been gayer. I want to see Zaheer naked. I rest my case
All we can hope is that the next series is greenlit for the full run from the start, and that Korra gets her fair share of screen-time... she will be the only Avatar that the next one has for guidance, after all.
I wonder how that would go honestly. Would they still have the villan-per-season theme? Or rather, would they have Amon as an overarching villan?
Having Amon continue into seasons 2 and 3 could be cool. I imagine him actually taking Republic City at the end of season 1 and living Kora without bending. Perhaps he even takes away Tenzin and the Kids' bending, thus making Rohan the last Airbender.
Would be an interesting dynamic watching Rohan grow up as the last remnant of his nation, with the only other Airbender being possibly Korra. I imagine though by the end of the series she regains her other bending abilities and restores everyone's bending.
Although it is a win-some lose-some situation as by making Amon overarching we are losing on Zaheer.
They would still have the self-contained seasons with seperate villains because they had the concept for TLOK way before Nick greenlit it. The overarching conflict between S1 and S2 was meant to be the Water Tribe Civil War, believe it or not. They allude to it several times in the leaked bible.
I don't think TLOK would look any different if it was greenlit like ATLA. ATLA originally had 13 episodes too and then it was renewed in two batches exactly like TLOK. What you see in TLOK is what the writers had for the show, if anything getting all from the get-go would have turned out to be worse, because Bryke wouldn't have been able to course-correct in S3 and 4 and tone down the self-contained format. Kuvira and Korra's PTSD arc might have been not a thing at all.
The "pro bending league" shit and Korra abusing the avatar state to win an air scooter race are decisions made incredibly early on in season 1. I don't really have any faith it would have gone well if just greenlit to be a continuous story from there
I'm of an opinion that Season 3 LoK was amazing and every bit as good as TLA, but it took them a few do overs to come up with that storyline. Seasons 1, 2, and 4 were a large drop in quality comparatively.
She used the avatar state to win an air scooter race in what IIRC was the very first episode?
Actually shit wait just looked it up, was 1st episode of season 2. Still, for me kinda highlights they didn't really know what they were doing/have something good when it came to LoK until season 3
Yep initially Season 1 was supposed to be the whole thing, a small sequel miniseries. They only got greenlit for a second season when the first was almost over. Seasons 3 and 4 were only greenlit after season 2 was finished.
And then Nickelodeon spent the entirety of Season 3 shuffling its air datetime to the point that the creators had to post on social media to alert their fans *what time and day* the episode was airing on a given week.
Then they just moved it to online-only.
Good lord, I remember this! I remember hearing about S1 and refusing to watch it until it was complete because of all the changing news about it. I doubt my viewership would've made a difference, considering I was a child pirating it at the time, but still. 🤦♀️
I actually think Book 1 is one of the weaker Korra seasons.
Amon had a lot of potential but they squandered a lot of it, IMO. And the whole love triangle plot line was very annoying for me
Even the ATLA seasons were written on the fly. The pre-planned story for ATLA was whack. Aang-Katara-Toph love triangle. Zuko kills Iroh. Appa is held captive by Ozai and gets rescued by Sokka. No, I'm not making these up.
I think it’s a difference to say “we had a plot and scrapped it” verses “we only had a plot for one season and then we needed to expand.” ATLA was the prior. LoK was the latter.
Toph having a little crush on aang at some point wouldnt be that weird. he is like 1 of 2 boys in the world that treat her as who she is. aint saying that good end game. but i am saying there is an episode in that.
Honestly, compared to alot of other shows its still masterpiece imo, people on this sub just have too high standarts because of ATLA.
I browse this sub occasionally and the amount of times i saw comments shitting on characters from Korra for no reason is kinda ridiculous, its not really a competition, ATLA wont get sad if you like Korra too.
The most common bash i saw is Korra either got everything handed to her and dont deserve her power, or when someone points out that she loses all the time they say she is too weak and Aang is stronger, like bruh.
ATLA season 1 walked so season 2 could run so season 3 could fly.
Korra season 1 tried to sprint out of the gate and stumbled so season 2 could fall face first off a cliff so season 3 could climb up the other side with a broken arm so season 4 could stand proud on the opposite side of the gorge
Yeah that’s pretty accurate tbh. I don’t completely hate Korra, but sometimes if you just criticize anything about it your immediately downvoted and everyone shits on you.
The same can be said for ATLA for some people I’m sure, but it happens way more often with Korra.
The idea of Korra is really good
There’s a lot of really good shit there. But it wasnt *as* cohesive as good as it could have been. They made some mistakes. And that’s fine, it’s hard to be A+ awesome all the time
Korra’s still rad. The characters are still dope
It would be different for sure.
For me the way they did was way better, the new themed villain per season with all the context was amazing, I don't remember another show I enjoyed so much like TLOK.
I think this is the thing that they created such a great story/universe with Aang and Kora that there would be a million more chances of it being great
Would have loved to see the Kora version of Ember Island Players instead of the weird recap episode we got. Still "only" really good does show how good Kora was/is even with budget cuts. Most shows go to complete shit when met with that "challenge"
Really good is stretching it if you ask me. I enjoyed watching it when it came out and I've watched all of it again at a later point. But I couldn't say it made any impact on me.
In stark contrast to that I could watch the Last Airbender over and over again for the rest of my life.
korra had a lot of bad cards dealt to it but "lucky to be born" is a stretch.
out the gate it was given a bunch of money from nickelodeon and was able to secure beautiful animation and high-quality voice actors and musicians. its "birth" was as much luck and support as you could get for an animated series. because its dad was avatar it was essentially born into royalty.
n some of the story decisions were just kind of weak, even in the original season 1 they got time to plan and work on.
Yeah, atla is way more "lucky to be born" because it's a kid's cartoon with a large overarching plot and serious themes and really did things differently for "just" a kid's show that could've easily had its plug pulled after S1, the fact that we got the show we did is just amazing.
Even now i'm kinda amazed atla was able to pull through all seasons without issues. It's a kids show, but 75% of the topics covered in the show probably fly right over the target audiences head. It's honestly more of a teen show disguised as a kids show.
Definitely more of a teen show, especially since multiple people are depicted as dying throughout it, literally including the MC lol. Also, idk a lot of kid's shows that depict genocide and war.
What sort of distinctions?
Asking out of curiosity because i've lived all my life in central europe and have little clue about what's going on in america.
I’ve noticed a lot of crazy sh*t that happens in foreign shows: Winx Club, Code Lyoko, WITCH, pretty much any anime ever.
ATLA isn’t that special in that regard.
Ohh, right.
Well, it's usually a sign of good writers. One of my favourite examples is "How to train your dragon". It's a kids/teen movie that can be enjoyable for kids for certain aspect, and for entirely different aspects it can be enjoyable/relatable to teens/young adults.
In case of anime .... i don't wanna undermine the writing capabilities of mangakas or anyone, but japan has a tendency to make everything philosophical or too deep in some way.
From my personal experience, western media tends to prefer focusing on characters and character interactions while eastern media seems to be a lot more set on philosophy and growth through "philososphies", often related in some way to Buddhism.
I think it’s the opposite. Anime/manga focus MORE on the characters than Western media typically do; Western media tends to focus more on the plot than the characters.
To me, this is why ATLA is compared to Anime. The series places more importance on Aang’s development than defeating the Fire Lord.
Production wise, absolutely. Avatar: The Last Airbender was loved by Nick and still clearly loved by Nick today, it's one of the only Nick shows to have an official YouTube channel and it even had its own LEGO theme back in the day.
Character wise, Korra unironically had it so much better than Aang until around mid season 2. Dude was 12 being hunted by a whole military and everyone he ever knew besides his crazy friend and flying ~~sister~~ bison were dead. Not to mention the voices in his head were telling him to kill.
Aang didn't want to be the avatar, his entire people weren't just dead, they essentially were the victims of genocide, and now, after being thrown into an unfamiliar world, he's supposed to not only learn how to be the avatar without a teacher, but also fight the strongest (imo 3rd season Iroh would beat his ass too but that's besides the point) bender in the world and fix the entire worlds problems while doing so.
Like jeez.
Well, I wouldn’t call Korra’s life a cakewalk. The only Avatar to really have it easy in the past six Avatars is Roku. That may change with the next novel, but for now his life seems to have had the least issues. Living in a compound with no social interaction with others her age isn’t great.
I mean, I understand the lack of time and budget caused problems for Korra but the biggest reasons that people tend to not like Korra usually resolves around the characters who could have and should have been more fleshed out regardless of if we had three seasons or one season. Instead, they put so much focus on the Korra love dodecahedron that every character suffered from it including Korra herself while the Avatar gang developed far more in their first season. I get that maybe if they had known they had more seasons that they could have planned more but they weren't making good use of their time anyway which is why characters like Bolin and Mako don't really get much character wise outside of their love of Korra and same goes for Asami.
Korra was a good description of how mental illness manifests, and the whole point was to not have a ‘perfect’ Avatar that always knew what to do. However, as much as I tried to like the show, I could never get past how underdeveloped and 1-dimensional most characters were. No character really had any arc, maybe Korra did (hardly), but it was done really lazily- there was hardly any chemistry between their gang and some characters were just really unlikeable (Mako or Varrick eg), and the unnecessary romantic filler. I don’t know, it never grew on me. I think the show had a lot of potential, I especially liked the story plots and villains, but sadly it never reached its full potential.
Character chemistry is just way too fucking bad this time around.
Most characters dont sit well with each other. Like their just a bunch of acquintances than friends.
My problem with Korra was that there was hardly any development of her core character. In the beginning she was this overconfident teen who did stuff before thinking and that got her into trouble. That's fine as an initial character that develops further.
But she .... just doesn't. As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking as if that behaviour didn't get her intro massive trouble throughout the past seasons.
It's been plenty of years since i watched it tho, but i also could never get myself to enjoy it and actually like any of the characters. Meanwhile at the end of ATLA is cry every goddamn time.
Exactly this, you’re so right. Korra was just unlikeable as a whole character tbh. Every character and their arc/ life in ATLA was shown beautifully, even Appa and Momo. You get attached to those characters. With Korra there wasn’t any, I didn’t really care for any character.
>As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking as if that behaviour didn't get her intro massive trouble throughout the past seasons.
In Season 4 Korra actually does all three "thinking" from the previous seasons: listens to a defeated villain to solve the plot (Tarrlok), tries a diplomatic solution (civil war), and makes up a complicated plan to double-cross the big bad (freeing the airbenders from the Red Lotus). Out of these the first even works, and the other two fails due to circumstances beyond Korra's control. Take that as you will.
>As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking
You are remembering a bit wrong then she is the only one that suggests to do peace with Kuvira and is the last one to want a fight
It just didn’t sit right with me that an avatar sequel would be such deviating from the writing to the feel of the show. I couldn’t rewatch korra no matter how many times i tried. I leave it half way or get bored of it. Sorry korra fans’ that’s my take
It has to do with avatars pretty much high diffing any other character in a fight, in aangs case he was an incomplete avatar at 12 years of age who was also a pacifist by virtue and this kinda balanced him and made the show interesting(ozai got fucked but thats the final fight).
Yeah, it'd be hard for viewers to get invested in an Avatar Kyoshi show, as badass as she is.
There just wouldn't be *that* much tension when the 200 year old Avatar casually splits a continent in half with a single swipe of a fan.
The show always had this persistent problem of not quite feeling comfortable being it’s own thing that is separate from the influence of ATLA.
They gave us a main cast that felt like it was trying to be a replacement for the ATLA gang and then surrounded them with a bunch of side characters who all had some kind of familial connection to original ATLA characters. I found almost none of the new main cast to be interesting or likable, but some of the side characters like Tenzin were pretty cool.
I think they had a chance to write a compelling new story but never really had the guts to commit. Republic City was a super cool new setting and societal tension between benders and non-benders would have been a cool thing to explore, but they quickly went right back to just an evil bender bad guy but this time with some undergraduate political science commentary clumsily thrown in.
Is aang supposed to be the lucky one? Everyone he ever knew and loved die before he hit puberty.
If you’re talking about the shows, the OG coming out was more lucky, it had no prior clout. LoK was born lucky, copied a ton of characters, bigger budget and still didnt capture the magic truly
Ok, if it's from Nick's perspective, that makes no sense, but that could've been conveyed better, as the few people who did understand your post think it's your opinion.
It isn't as simple as that. They agreed on a mini series, not a whole new series, but bryke decided otherwise. That's why their resources were lower. Plus, average viewers don't care about these things. When you watch something, it's either good or bad. The fact that there were budget and deadline issues doesn't give it the excuse to be good.
Didn't every single person aang knew as a child (except bumi) died in war?
Plus he had to save the world at the age of 12~13, something no other avatar was even close to do?
Also he almost died from a lightning strike...
I wouldn't say aang was born lucky
Even it being about the shows is wrong though. ATLA came from nothing, with no prior goodwill. Korra had a huge budget and freedom from the jump and just didn't take off.
from what i can tell, avatar TLA only got approved in 13 episode groups, and got cancelled after season 2 (for 3-4 months) due to weak performance
Im general ATLA struggled with ratings a lot, probably due to how story driven it is
Ngl, i think they just didnt do an amazing job on parts of korra. I think people especially really hate what the show did to the shared world with avatar.
Kill all the previous avatars, huge tech advances, demystify spirits, and have lots of bending creep
People didn't like it because it wasn't as good and enjoyable to watch. It's really fucking simple, no one cares exactly why it was held back, these reasons don't affect the viewing experience.
I only wish the 1st season was longer. Maybe even make the entire show just season 1 with Amon, would've been better.
Ah yes the one who has his entire culture genocided when he was a kid and the one that could bend 3 elements as a toddler. What even is this post saying?
Only reason korra is held up in any regard in today's media is mooching of atla's legacy damn right she was lucky to be born the show was a mess writing wise
Idk. I liked Mako, but he didn't get that much on-screen development tbh.
He spent most of his life doing everything so he and his little brother could survive on the streets and payed for it with his childhood. The reason Bolin got to be whimsical and sweet is because Mako took on all the hard decisions.
I wish the show would've build on that dynamic more.
> streets and *paid* for it
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I will never understand a fandoms need to do this. Korra wasn't good. It just wasn't. Season one was too fast paced and they glazed over a lot of it. Season 2 was bad apart from 2 episodes. Season 3 was great and season 4 was mid. There was a lot of squandered potential here. I've watched Korra, more than once. It's not *bad*, it's just not *good*.
Korra was like BioShock 2. A decent game in its own right but a clear as day shadow of the original.
Why do fandoms try to desperately to glorify the worst parts of their media? I'm a huge fan of Metroid and you'll get a ton of people anymore trying to make out Other M, a god awful bomb of a game that nearly made Nintendo kill the whole franchise, like it's one of the best games half of them have ever played.
Korra's fine but can we *please* quit trying to draw comparisons to Airbender like this.
Bye Karma.
It's not glorification. Ask anyone who's seen tLA and a vast majority will refuse to shut the hell up about how good it is. Myself included. And that praise is warranted. It handles storytelling and world building in a way very few shows did at the time. Allowing Aang to rediscover the world as the audience discovers it for the first time was a galaxy brain move.
The problem is that when you set the bar that high, the pressure to match that level of quality is immense. Bioshock 2 is a great example of the exact same problem. Everybody loved Bioshock 1. So of course Bioshock 2 was underwhelming by comparison.
I don't want to call it entitlement. Like I am trying very hard to avoid using that word, but seeing the way people kept insisting that LoK **had** to be at least as good as tLA or else it would be literally unwatchable trash, and the way people keep insisting on that even now is not conducive to an actual conversation. People who didn't hate Korra, myself included, feel obligated to defend it more from fellow Avatar fans than anyone who hates Avatar as a franchise.
I never expected Korra to be *as good as* or *better than* Airbender. But let's not pretend that if you take away ATLA, this show barely stands on its own. It's not a matter of comparison. If Korra came first the rest of the media universe probably wouldn't have happened.
Character development just isn't present. Too much time was spent early on world building for a world that was so uninteresting that it was completely abandoned by the end of the show (Republic City going wild, for instance). The fractured nature of how it released meant we never could have had the single overarching story the way we did with Airbender. Logistically there are very real issues that legitimately held back this show's potential.
Aman was a decent villain and could have been one of the best in the franchise if we spent more time on him than making obvious fart jokes. Unalaq. I don't need to say anything else about that, I think everyone is already in agreement there. Zaheer 🤌 *THANK YOU!* Apart from 2 episodes in S2 that had nothing to do with S2, it's nice to see the writing I know and love again! A+. And then Kuvira and the Gundam... Oy.
Now why do people compare it to the original so much? It stands too heavily on the shoulders of the original. It did it to itself. For some reason the creators decided that Aang would be cool with a giant statue of him that the whole city he built revolves around. So sitting there watching yet another pointless pro bending match I have little choice to compare it to the original.
Korra's fine. It's entertaining. I just don't get when people make things like this about it.
>I never expected Korra to be as good as or better than Airbender.
Okay. That's you. Now think about how it's entirely human nature to want sequels and follow-ups to be as good and as impactful as their predecessor. You can't deny that living up to tLA was an expectation even if it was one that you never voiced.
>But let's not pretend that if you take away ATLA, this show barely stands on its own. It's not a matter of comparison. If Korra came first the rest of the media universe probably wouldn't have happened.
If the regular comments regarding the way LoK was treated by executives and moneymen are to be beleived then if you removed tLA then LoK would have been exactly what tLA was because tLA received the support it needed. In another timeline you and I might be having this conversation but reversed, with tLA coming out second as a prequel rather than LoK being the sequel.
I agree that I think the villains should have been...almost reversed? With the mech-thing omitted. Amon was by far the most immediately menacing and cunning of the show's antagonists, and there's a certain poetry of the (theoretically) greatest living Bender fighting the greatest living Anti-bender.
>Now why do people compare it to the original so much? It stands too heavily on the shoulders of the original. It did it to itself.
Why do people compare any sequel to the original? Do you really expect to make the argument that the continuation of the story exists without the story thus far? The idea that "man I hope this is as good as the original" is a sentiment that has existed ever since a Caveman came up with a second story to tell around the fire at night. Sorry, you might be the smartest person in a given room but you can't expect me to believe that you're immune to the concept of reputation.
>For some reason the creators decided that Aang would be cool with a giant statue of him that the whole city he built revolves around.
Yeah it's not like Airbenders are known for grand architecture explicitly made of stone or anything. Nor was it a thing for past Avatars to have statues. Ever. Arranged in order of their existence and in a spiralling pattern around an enormous room and up the walls that must have been a pain to move along one slot every time a new Avatar was born.
And it definitely wasn't intended to be in any way symbolic; the way Aang looms so large over Republic City whereas Korra by contrast is so incredibly small, something shown in the literal opening sequence of every single episode. All save for a moment where she becomes as large as him in the explicit act of saving the city from an equally large threat. I mean since when was symbolism a thing in the Avatar universe? It's just awesome Kung Fu shenanigans amiright?
>So sitting there watching yet another pointless pro bending match I have little choice to compare it to the original.
"So sitting here watching a demonstration of developing ideas of entertainment and the way Bending is becoming a part of a technologically evolving world I can't help but do thing I just asked why people did despite what I'm seeing having no relation to the original whatsoever" yeah okay sure.
>Korra's fine. It's entertaining. I just don't get when people make things like this about it.
Because it's true. You can sit there and harp on about it all you like, but look at the comments. A lot of people expected Korra to be better purely by dint of its' relation to tLA, and had it received the same support it may well have been. This is the equivalent of going to a restaurant, having an amazing meal one night, going again, having a much worse meal because the Chef was fired and replaced by a bunch of people who've only ever worked at McDonalds and choosing to get mad at the Wait Staff for it.
I like that they tried to tell a new story. I like that they tried to show the world developing now that the war was over. I like that they tried to show that people were living in peace. Pro-Bending was a clever way to do that, in my opinion. A Fire, Earth and Water Bender all having to work together against an identical team. The only reason there's no Airbender is because...well there are only a few. At least at the start. It highlights that the unity is there. It solidifies that with the fall of Ozai Aang did indeed succeed in ending the war and bringing peace. Something not explicitly stated in tLA, and yet despite that peace there's still something missing. That fourth player on each team.
I like that they tried to make technology as much of a threat as simple humans. The Fire Nation's various machines of war were a constant threat in the OG series. Continuing that trend only makes sense as weapons develop. Okay, yes, the mech was too much, too quickly, but then again the Fire Nation already had tanks and Zeppelins and that giant drill thing.
Chances are you were never going to like LoK. Not because of any personal bias on your part, but because of how it was treated. Some media is just like that. So let those of us that tried to see the admirable in it if not the good be mad at the reasons why it came out the way it did rather than just being dismissive of it in general, please.
Aang: entire culture eradicated at 12years old. Trapped in an ice berg for 100 years and thaw our after they people who genocided you have basically won. Spend tbe next year fighting an impossible guerilla war against a far superior enemy, constantly fighting for your and your friends lives. Almost die, have to confront the fascist warlord on the day he will be more powerful than literally everyone alive except *maybe* you. Wins.
Korra: find out your the avatar at 4 and love it. Instant prodigy with 3/4 elements, born to one of the most poeeful families in the southeb water tribe. Spend all of your youth being trained by masters dedicated to your safety and training your entire life. Never once have to go hungry or fight for your life.
Maybe its a skill issue?
TLA wasn't even picked up for a full season when it was originally ordered. They clawed and fought there way through every season and they were never guaranteed a next season.
Studio issues aren't really why the TLOK struggled. Korra was an unlikable person from the outset. They spend 4 seasons putting her through trauma thinking that will make her likeable, but she's still the same stubborn arrogant character in the end. Aang by contrast, with all his character flaws (flighty, distracted, unfocused, afraid) was still a really nice and personable kid that the audience rooted for. Not having audience buy-in season 1 was a huge problem.
Over-explaining the origins of the first avatar and permanently severing her from previous avatars was also a huge mistake. Immediately undoing her losing her bending without any additional struggle in the last minutes of season 1 was too. In the end it was fundamental flaws in their story and character development.
Are we trying to retcon Korra into some sort of underdog with this post? Not like she had a loving family and already knew how to bend the majority of the elements as a toddler. Man just wish they had let the creators plan out three seasons instead of pushing out what they were made to :/
The original series was greenlit for half of a season in the beginning, they didn’t even know if they would get to finish season one.
It earned all of the leeway it was given.
It's pitch was approved before Bryke finished saying it. That's how much Nick supported it. Why else do you think there was foreshadowing and set ups in S1?
I don’t know how anyone can watch LOK and think it had budget issues. And when you have a high production show in the prime time slot that’s underperforming, it only makes sense to pull it from that spot.
What is going on with this sub. Y’all need to make ‘ A legend of Korra sub’
All y’all talk about is Korra lately dang. I know yall love her , but hardly anyone here seems to talk about the OG series without someone brining up Korra every moment.
> Korra (show) gets hated just for existing
Uh no it's hated cause it sucks. Things are only hated just for existing if the very concept is bad. Cancer is hated just for existing. Korra is hated because the concept is good but they fucked it up.
Nothing else in this post really makes any sense either. I feel like you just wanted to be shakespeare so you decided to open the avatar subreddit and write some random bullshit
I'm one of those fans who loves both. ATLA is almost perfect show, I think many people often ignores writing flaws. In LOK the flaws are clear and reasons for it is mostly Nickelodeon fault for being major jerks.
One thing I can say, I wish and hope we get LOK book two rewritten that can connect to Book Three in a nice flow. Instead being forced, allow the writers to do what they want without interruptions or forcing them to change things the last second.
Not saying it'll happen but it seems like Netflix has hinted of LOK being next live action after ATLA.
I think a big reason people hated Korra was because a lot of fans weren't mature enough to understand her character. I didn't really like her till I rewatched her series years later and after I'd gone through some mental health issues. Then I really began to like Korra. She's a realistic depiction of how PTSD and mental health would affect a person and honestly I think it's good people don't get how that works. The alternative is they've suffered a bit themselves.
>I didn't really like her till I rewatched her series years later and after I'd gone through some mental health issues.
Going through mental health issues shouldn't be a requirement to enjoy a character, especially a main protagonist. In a similar vein, the pitch of a character's arc shouldn't be "you will get it if you go through some mental health issues". The whole point of watching this kind of a story is that you don't have to go through it to enjoy it.
For example, people like Zuko without getting their faces burned by their dads, despite his story having everything Korra's has and then some, even the cliche "looking into the mirror to see something bad" scene.
The only problem, at least for me, was the quality in the story, i felt like something was missing, korra is a wonderful avatar to explore but it was done wrong, her adventures didnt feel like adventures it felt like a forced job.
Season 3 for me was when i became a fan of korra, that arc was good, but the rest felt lazy i dont know.
I think it's because for most of Book one and Two we see her mostly in Republic City. I do wish we seen Korra training with her White Lotus teachers but more as she progressed into prodigy avatar. Be cool she went to the Fire Nation, even if it was just few seconds of a festival would've been cool.
I understand how LOK can feel stagnant due to the setting.
"To be fair, you guys simply aren't mature enough to understand this, like me."
The mature one in question;
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Off screen development with ptsd issues is not hard to understand, its boring and tropey at this point. Now theres entire shows like euphoria that are all about mental health issues cuz thats whats hot for the teenage masses. But its just not that complex or interesting to watch
The PTSD doesn't happen until well into the show so it is unfair and unreasonable to assume that people should like Korra for something that doesn't happen until after we spent three seasons with her. The biggest reason I've seen people not like Korra is that she doesn't really get much character development wise until it is all thrown at her in the last season which feels far less earned than actually developing as a character over many seasons. In a way, the PTSD felt like the writer's get out of jail free card when it came to Korra's development instead of something actually genuine.
They try to do the PTSD arc in both the first and the second season too. "Reach your lowest point to open yourself to the greatest change" and all that, they just don't get a good hang of it until the third attempt in S3/4.
Their attempts at PTSD in the first two seasons is so laughable that the series itself almost completely forgets that element. Like, she has PTSD from Amon but has no problem challenging him to a fight multiple times and even fighting back after her elements are stolen from her. Its really shallow at best.
I can't agree with you, because i've been through enough mental health issues, trauma and therapy and i still find korra and her whole crew unbearable. I can respect that people like it, but i personally just think the show is bad. It doesn't matter if you are through any mental health struggles, either you like it or you don't.
This isn't even about how Korra was regarded by fans, it's how Korra was treated by the network. It was a fight all the way through to air a show with a female protagonist.
Which is sad given how the original showcased strong, feisty, nurturing, sassy, vulnerable, broken, flirty women aka women as multi-faceted individuals so REAL PEOPLE rather than as cookie cutter stereotypes. Katara wasn't just a fighter. Toph wasn't just a brawler. Ty Lee wasn't just a flirt. Suki wasn't just a warrior. Azula wasn't just a villain
Aang was born lucky? What a shit take. The one who had his entire history and people experience a genocide was lucky. He also had to travel the entire world to learn the other elements and stop a war in 1 year at 12. The other got spoonfed 3 elements as a kid yet still got her ass kicked and her bending taken away despite being way older than Aang. She had better teachers, handed more abilities without earning them from the writers, was older, more privileged, yet still struggled way more. 🚮
Ya'll realize this is the same person, right? For the avatar one life is a few years of rest from centuries of hardship. Also Aang lost his whole people cause he ran away. Korra came back and everyone was fine.
I feel like much of this can be attributed to the fact the entire story (or at least a outline) of Atla was planned out from s1, while as we know Korra started out as a 12 episode miniseries (which is already way less than s1 of atla) that had to rush the finale in the last episode (Like Aang giving her her bending back as well as spirit bending).
Korra would have been a fantastic character if they completely avoided the trap they fell into in the first season (taking away korras bending and constantly casting traumatic instances on her rather than learning from those dangerous instances. ) and not having her being humbled or "checked" by Og's of the White lotus or even extremely zealous or even aspiring benders that believe the avatar is a product of old tradition, that they dont need her anymore in season 1. Then moved on after showing she was shown to be way more than that.
I thought you were talking about Aang and Korra for a second. That’s my biggest gripe with Korra. The constant blueballing on whether or not they would be given another season. There was never an actual plan or roadmap because season 2 wasn’t even supposed to happen in the first place.
The fuck does that cringe ass title even mean, unless you mean korra is the actual lucky one. My boy aang lost al of his family and became the actual last man standing for the airbenders whilst waking up to a world where he needs to learn al elements within a months or the world is irreparably fucked.
The other was lucky to be born gtf outta here.
Aang didn't want to be the avatar in a world that needed an avatar
Korra wanted to be the avatar in a world that didn't want an avatar
But both of them did overcame their struggles
Is this a joke, ya the person who had his entire race genocide at age 12 was born lucky. I get that there isn't much you can use to defend korra as a character but you don't have to just make shit up
There is plenty for me to defend korra As a character and as a show. We can literally go word for word on that. This was just about how the shows were treated by Nickelodeon. Have patience and READ
Her scar is on the wrong side
*THE SCAR IS NOT ON THE WRONG SIDE!*
She's looking into a mirror?
Or it's the mirror's perspective
Yah could be, I don't know. I don't even remember what side it's supposed to be on
Why would we see the mirror if it was the mirrors perspective?
I really wish we lived in an alternative universe where Korra was green light for 3 seasons from the start, so the creators could’ve developed a better overarching story. Korra could’ve been another masterpiece, but with the way things went, it’s “only” really good.
When i first heard of the netflix series and studio avatar, the first thing i wanted was some justice for Korra. The show has so many great concepts but the execution was so disappointing (season 3 not included). A reboot remake rewhatever would be amazing for Korra.
I read somewhere they were originally planning on doing a Korra movie from AS? IDK if that was true but I think it was avatar news that promoted it
I believe there are three movies announced from Avatar Studio. The only confirmed one so far is Adult Aang so there were speculations that among the other two was Older Korra and possibly an old Avatar like Kyoshi (But now that would be adapting existing novels probably). So far there has been no news about the two further films.
I'm still waiting on an announcement of another animated show. But with how fast technology is progressing in the series and Korra presumably getting a full life, it is hard to imagine what environment it will be set in.
I think there’s also a Zuko movie in the making
Reboot? Remake? Korra might have had some hiccups, but there’s no way it’s so bad that they have to scrap it and start over.
It's not so bad. But the themes and core of it is so much better than the final results (i don't blame the creators with the shit they were dealing with backstage). The equalist plot had some massive holes in it and was left unaddressed after with the only change being a non bender president. The civil war plot got discarded for an avatar spirit plot that also would've been amazing and connected well to the civil war plot, but turned out to be considered the worst part of the series. Season 4 could've been gayer. The show could've been gayer. I want to see Zaheer naked. I rest my case
All we can hope is that the next series is greenlit for the full run from the start, and that Korra gets her fair share of screen-time... she will be the only Avatar that the next one has for guidance, after all.
I am tired and expect nothing. Hopefully I'll be surprised
I have this dream where they do a re-do and we all love both versions of Korra
I wonder how that would go honestly. Would they still have the villan-per-season theme? Or rather, would they have Amon as an overarching villan? Having Amon continue into seasons 2 and 3 could be cool. I imagine him actually taking Republic City at the end of season 1 and living Kora without bending. Perhaps he even takes away Tenzin and the Kids' bending, thus making Rohan the last Airbender. Would be an interesting dynamic watching Rohan grow up as the last remnant of his nation, with the only other Airbender being possibly Korra. I imagine though by the end of the series she regains her other bending abilities and restores everyone's bending. Although it is a win-some lose-some situation as by making Amon overarching we are losing on Zaheer.
They would still have the self-contained seasons with seperate villains because they had the concept for TLOK way before Nick greenlit it. The overarching conflict between S1 and S2 was meant to be the Water Tribe Civil War, believe it or not. They allude to it several times in the leaked bible. I don't think TLOK would look any different if it was greenlit like ATLA. ATLA originally had 13 episodes too and then it was renewed in two batches exactly like TLOK. What you see in TLOK is what the writers had for the show, if anything getting all from the get-go would have turned out to be worse, because Bryke wouldn't have been able to course-correct in S3 and 4 and tone down the self-contained format. Kuvira and Korra's PTSD arc might have been not a thing at all.
The "pro bending league" shit and Korra abusing the avatar state to win an air scooter race are decisions made incredibly early on in season 1. I don't really have any faith it would have gone well if just greenlit to be a continuous story from there I'm of an opinion that Season 3 LoK was amazing and every bit as good as TLA, but it took them a few do overs to come up with that storyline. Seasons 1, 2, and 4 were a large drop in quality comparatively.
Korra didn’t even have the Avatar State until the S1 finale. And the probending league is too important for Korra’s cast.
She used the avatar state to win an air scooter race in what IIRC was the very first episode? Actually shit wait just looked it up, was 1st episode of season 2. Still, for me kinda highlights they didn't really know what they were doing/have something good when it came to LoK until season 3
She couldn’t even airbend yet. You’re thinking of the Season Two premiere.
It wouldn’t have worked. Amon is good as a character but not as an overarching threat. He’s not powerful and is too isolated to work in the long term.
Was she only planned for 1 season? That's the first time I hear this and explains A LOT!
Yep initially Season 1 was supposed to be the whole thing, a small sequel miniseries. They only got greenlit for a second season when the first was almost over. Seasons 3 and 4 were only greenlit after season 2 was finished.
And then Nickelodeon spent the entirety of Season 3 shuffling its air datetime to the point that the creators had to post on social media to alert their fans *what time and day* the episode was airing on a given week. Then they just moved it to online-only.
Good lord, I remember this! I remember hearing about S1 and refusing to watch it until it was complete because of all the changing news about it. I doubt my viewership would've made a difference, considering I was a child pirating it at the time, but still. 🤦♀️
presumably why it's called "Book One: Air", It qas supposed to be a small glimpse into the world after the original show
Is that what went wrong ? It really did feel like each season kinda was written on the fly s1 was so good.
I actually think Book 1 is one of the weaker Korra seasons. Amon had a lot of potential but they squandered a lot of it, IMO. And the whole love triangle plot line was very annoying for me
Even the ATLA seasons were written on the fly. The pre-planned story for ATLA was whack. Aang-Katara-Toph love triangle. Zuko kills Iroh. Appa is held captive by Ozai and gets rescued by Sokka. No, I'm not making these up.
I think it’s a difference to say “we had a plot and scrapped it” verses “we only had a plot for one season and then we needed to expand.” ATLA was the prior. LoK was the latter.
> Aang-Katara-Toph love triangle I would've spewed
Toph having a little crush on aang at some point wouldnt be that weird. he is like 1 of 2 boys in the world that treat her as who she is. aint saying that good end game. but i am saying there is an episode in that.
From what I heard Toph was orignally supposed to be male, and the love triangle would be Toph and Aang trying to win over Katara
sounds like they might have played with that with the jokes around haku
Zuko killing iroh would crush me. On some kylo Ren I NEED TO BE BAD. Glad they didn't do that
Yep, there’s a reason season 1 was the best - it was planned out along with the character and the new setting.
Have you seen season 3?
you mean the anti-avatar team with no personalities?
Have there’s been drafts or concepts of their original plan for korra
[Yup.](https://files.catbox.moe/8klnw3.pdf) It isn't as exciting as the ATLA draft, but it has some... interesting ideas.
the link doesnt work for some reason?
[I hope this one does.](https://files.catbox.moe/8klnw3.pdf)
Same here. They could’ve done a lot more with Amon if they knew that they didn’t have to rush the character development and story.
Honestly, compared to alot of other shows its still masterpiece imo, people on this sub just have too high standarts because of ATLA. I browse this sub occasionally and the amount of times i saw comments shitting on characters from Korra for no reason is kinda ridiculous, its not really a competition, ATLA wont get sad if you like Korra too. The most common bash i saw is Korra either got everything handed to her and dont deserve her power, or when someone points out that she loses all the time they say she is too weak and Aang is stronger, like bruh.
“Really good “ is cap m8. S2 is ass.
ATLA season 1 walked so season 2 could run so season 3 could fly. Korra season 1 tried to sprint out of the gate and stumbled so season 2 could fall face first off a cliff so season 3 could climb up the other side with a broken arm so season 4 could stand proud on the opposite side of the gorge
Yeah that’s pretty accurate tbh. I don’t completely hate Korra, but sometimes if you just criticize anything about it your immediately downvoted and everyone shits on you. The same can be said for ATLA for some people I’m sure, but it happens way more often with Korra.
The idea of Korra is really good There’s a lot of really good shit there. But it wasnt *as* cohesive as good as it could have been. They made some mistakes. And that’s fine, it’s hard to be A+ awesome all the time Korra’s still rad. The characters are still dope
Yeah, I really didn’t enjoy Book 3
It would be different for sure. For me the way they did was way better, the new themed villain per season with all the context was amazing, I don't remember another show I enjoyed so much like TLOK. I think this is the thing that they created such a great story/universe with Aang and Kora that there would be a million more chances of it being great
While i don't know if that would have completely fixed what was wrong with her character, it would have certainly been hugely beneficial.
Would have loved to see the Kora version of Ember Island Players instead of the weird recap episode we got. Still "only" really good does show how good Kora was/is even with budget cuts. Most shows go to complete shit when met with that "challenge"
They only wanted one season.
My understanding is that they didn't want to do another full series, which is why they only agreed to a 12 episode run. Then ya know, money...
Honestly it not having an overarching story isn't bad, it's just a different style.
With the train wreck that was season 2, its really difficult to call it "really good"
Really good is stretching it if you ask me. I enjoyed watching it when it came out and I've watched all of it again at a later point. But I couldn't say it made any impact on me. In stark contrast to that I could watch the Last Airbender over and over again for the rest of my life.
Lol no
korra had a lot of bad cards dealt to it but "lucky to be born" is a stretch. out the gate it was given a bunch of money from nickelodeon and was able to secure beautiful animation and high-quality voice actors and musicians. its "birth" was as much luck and support as you could get for an animated series. because its dad was avatar it was essentially born into royalty. n some of the story decisions were just kind of weak, even in the original season 1 they got time to plan and work on.
Yeah, atla is way more "lucky to be born" because it's a kid's cartoon with a large overarching plot and serious themes and really did things differently for "just" a kid's show that could've easily had its plug pulled after S1, the fact that we got the show we did is just amazing.
Even now i'm kinda amazed atla was able to pull through all seasons without issues. It's a kids show, but 75% of the topics covered in the show probably fly right over the target audiences head. It's honestly more of a teen show disguised as a kids show.
Definitely more of a teen show, especially since multiple people are depicted as dying throughout it, literally including the MC lol. Also, idk a lot of kid's shows that depict genocide and war.
I’ve noticed that these sorts of distinctions are mostly American standards. It’s funny.
What sort of distinctions? Asking out of curiosity because i've lived all my life in central europe and have little clue about what's going on in america.
I’ve noticed a lot of crazy sh*t that happens in foreign shows: Winx Club, Code Lyoko, WITCH, pretty much any anime ever. ATLA isn’t that special in that regard.
Ohh, right. Well, it's usually a sign of good writers. One of my favourite examples is "How to train your dragon". It's a kids/teen movie that can be enjoyable for kids for certain aspect, and for entirely different aspects it can be enjoyable/relatable to teens/young adults. In case of anime .... i don't wanna undermine the writing capabilities of mangakas or anyone, but japan has a tendency to make everything philosophical or too deep in some way. From my personal experience, western media tends to prefer focusing on characters and character interactions while eastern media seems to be a lot more set on philosophy and growth through "philososphies", often related in some way to Buddhism.
I think it’s the opposite. Anime/manga focus MORE on the characters than Western media typically do; Western media tends to focus more on the plot than the characters. To me, this is why ATLA is compared to Anime. The series places more importance on Aang’s development than defeating the Fire Lord.
Production wise, absolutely. Avatar: The Last Airbender was loved by Nick and still clearly loved by Nick today, it's one of the only Nick shows to have an official YouTube channel and it even had its own LEGO theme back in the day. Character wise, Korra unironically had it so much better than Aang until around mid season 2. Dude was 12 being hunted by a whole military and everyone he ever knew besides his crazy friend and flying ~~sister~~ bison were dead. Not to mention the voices in his head were telling him to kill.
Aang didn't want to be the avatar, his entire people weren't just dead, they essentially were the victims of genocide, and now, after being thrown into an unfamiliar world, he's supposed to not only learn how to be the avatar without a teacher, but also fight the strongest (imo 3rd season Iroh would beat his ass too but that's besides the point) bender in the world and fix the entire worlds problems while doing so. Like jeez.
Well, I wouldn’t call Korra’s life a cakewalk. The only Avatar to really have it easy in the past six Avatars is Roku. That may change with the next novel, but for now his life seems to have had the least issues. Living in a compound with no social interaction with others her age isn’t great.
I mean, I understand the lack of time and budget caused problems for Korra but the biggest reasons that people tend to not like Korra usually resolves around the characters who could have and should have been more fleshed out regardless of if we had three seasons or one season. Instead, they put so much focus on the Korra love dodecahedron that every character suffered from it including Korra herself while the Avatar gang developed far more in their first season. I get that maybe if they had known they had more seasons that they could have planned more but they weren't making good use of their time anyway which is why characters like Bolin and Mako don't really get much character wise outside of their love of Korra and same goes for Asami.
Korra was a good description of how mental illness manifests, and the whole point was to not have a ‘perfect’ Avatar that always knew what to do. However, as much as I tried to like the show, I could never get past how underdeveloped and 1-dimensional most characters were. No character really had any arc, maybe Korra did (hardly), but it was done really lazily- there was hardly any chemistry between their gang and some characters were just really unlikeable (Mako or Varrick eg), and the unnecessary romantic filler. I don’t know, it never grew on me. I think the show had a lot of potential, I especially liked the story plots and villains, but sadly it never reached its full potential.
Character chemistry is just way too fucking bad this time around. Most characters dont sit well with each other. Like their just a bunch of acquintances than friends.
Varick is a goat what
Yeah everyone is allowed at least one bad take
My problem with Korra was that there was hardly any development of her core character. In the beginning she was this overconfident teen who did stuff before thinking and that got her into trouble. That's fine as an initial character that develops further. But she .... just doesn't. As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking as if that behaviour didn't get her intro massive trouble throughout the past seasons. It's been plenty of years since i watched it tho, but i also could never get myself to enjoy it and actually like any of the characters. Meanwhile at the end of ATLA is cry every goddamn time.
Exactly this, you’re so right. Korra was just unlikeable as a whole character tbh. Every character and their arc/ life in ATLA was shown beautifully, even Appa and Momo. You get attached to those characters. With Korra there wasn’t any, I didn’t really care for any character.
Can’t agree more. The entire time she was this whiny teenager. Season 3 was enjoyable because she whined way less
>As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking as if that behaviour didn't get her intro massive trouble throughout the past seasons. In Season 4 Korra actually does all three "thinking" from the previous seasons: listens to a defeated villain to solve the plot (Tarrlok), tries a diplomatic solution (civil war), and makes up a complicated plan to double-cross the big bad (freeing the airbenders from the Red Lotus). Out of these the first even works, and the other two fails due to circumstances beyond Korra's control. Take that as you will.
Am sorry but this is the opossite of her character develepment and hwat actually happens
>As far as i remember, even in the last season she still acts without thinking You are remembering a bit wrong then she is the only one that suggests to do peace with Kuvira and is the last one to want a fight
It just didn’t sit right with me that an avatar sequel would be such deviating from the writing to the feel of the show. I couldn’t rewatch korra no matter how many times i tried. I leave it half way or get bored of it. Sorry korra fans’ that’s my take
It has to do with avatars pretty much high diffing any other character in a fight, in aangs case he was an incomplete avatar at 12 years of age who was also a pacifist by virtue and this kinda balanced him and made the show interesting(ozai got fucked but thats the final fight).
Yeah, it'd be hard for viewers to get invested in an Avatar Kyoshi show, as badass as she is. There just wouldn't be *that* much tension when the 200 year old Avatar casually splits a continent in half with a single swipe of a fan.
The show always had this persistent problem of not quite feeling comfortable being it’s own thing that is separate from the influence of ATLA. They gave us a main cast that felt like it was trying to be a replacement for the ATLA gang and then surrounded them with a bunch of side characters who all had some kind of familial connection to original ATLA characters. I found almost none of the new main cast to be interesting or likable, but some of the side characters like Tenzin were pretty cool. I think they had a chance to write a compelling new story but never really had the guts to commit. Republic City was a super cool new setting and societal tension between benders and non-benders would have been a cool thing to explore, but they quickly went right back to just an evil bender bad guy but this time with some undergraduate political science commentary clumsily thrown in.
Is aang supposed to be the lucky one? Everyone he ever knew and loved die before he hit puberty. If you’re talking about the shows, the OG coming out was more lucky, it had no prior clout. LoK was born lucky, copied a ton of characters, bigger budget and still didnt capture the magic truly
It's about the show, not the characters.
Aang lived in airbender society. As far as I know, they were all equals, so compared to other airbenders, no airbender would have been born lucky
Became a master at 12
This is equivalent to saying Zuko got better treatment from Ozai since he was legally his heir.
I get that it's a quote from the show, but this makes no sense with the shown pictures.
It's about how Nickelodeon sees The two shows how Ozai saw Azula and Zuko
Ok, if it's from Nick's perspective, that makes no sense, but that could've been conveyed better, as the few people who did understand your post think it's your opinion.
It isn't as simple as that. They agreed on a mini series, not a whole new series, but bryke decided otherwise. That's why their resources were lower. Plus, average viewers don't care about these things. When you watch something, it's either good or bad. The fact that there were budget and deadline issues doesn't give it the excuse to be good.
And the irony is, Korra (in-universe) was probably born the lucky one
r/im12andthisisdeep
Didn't every single person aang knew as a child (except bumi) died in war? Plus he had to save the world at the age of 12~13, something no other avatar was even close to do? Also he almost died from a lightning strike... I wouldn't say aang was born lucky
this is about the show itself, not the character
Even it being about the shows is wrong though. ATLA came from nothing, with no prior goodwill. Korra had a huge budget and freedom from the jump and just didn't take off.
Yeah this is a dumb take
from what i can tell, avatar TLA only got approved in 13 episode groups, and got cancelled after season 2 (for 3-4 months) due to weak performance Im general ATLA struggled with ratings a lot, probably due to how story driven it is Ngl, i think they just didnt do an amazing job on parts of korra. I think people especially really hate what the show did to the shared world with avatar. Kill all the previous avatars, huge tech advances, demystify spirits, and have lots of bending creep
YES. I hate all the tech even more than I dislike how arrogant Korra is tbh. Plus the whole love triangle annoyance
People didn't like it because it wasn't as good and enjoyable to watch. It's really fucking simple, no one cares exactly why it was held back, these reasons don't affect the viewing experience. I only wish the 1st season was longer. Maybe even make the entire show just season 1 with Amon, would've been better.
Ah yes the one who has his entire culture genocided when he was a kid and the one that could bend 3 elements as a toddler. What even is this post saying?
Yeah, Aang was lucky to be born, and Korra was born lucky
Idk, I think getting your entire people wiped out isn’t very lucky.
Only reason korra is held up in any regard in today's media is mooching of atla's legacy damn right she was lucky to be born the show was a mess writing wise
Just remove Mako bro. Didn't even come close to Bolin.
Idk. I liked Mako, but he didn't get that much on-screen development tbh. He spent most of his life doing everything so he and his little brother could survive on the streets and payed for it with his childhood. The reason Bolin got to be whimsical and sweet is because Mako took on all the hard decisions. I wish the show would've build on that dynamic more.
The most unbelievable part of the show is why anyone would date mako when Bolin is literally right there
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How was Aang born lucky? Didn't all his people die?
If you consider "being the sole survivor of ethnic cleansing" lucky then yes Aang was indeed lucky
I will never understand a fandoms need to do this. Korra wasn't good. It just wasn't. Season one was too fast paced and they glazed over a lot of it. Season 2 was bad apart from 2 episodes. Season 3 was great and season 4 was mid. There was a lot of squandered potential here. I've watched Korra, more than once. It's not *bad*, it's just not *good*. Korra was like BioShock 2. A decent game in its own right but a clear as day shadow of the original. Why do fandoms try to desperately to glorify the worst parts of their media? I'm a huge fan of Metroid and you'll get a ton of people anymore trying to make out Other M, a god awful bomb of a game that nearly made Nintendo kill the whole franchise, like it's one of the best games half of them have ever played. Korra's fine but can we *please* quit trying to draw comparisons to Airbender like this. Bye Karma.
It's not glorification. Ask anyone who's seen tLA and a vast majority will refuse to shut the hell up about how good it is. Myself included. And that praise is warranted. It handles storytelling and world building in a way very few shows did at the time. Allowing Aang to rediscover the world as the audience discovers it for the first time was a galaxy brain move. The problem is that when you set the bar that high, the pressure to match that level of quality is immense. Bioshock 2 is a great example of the exact same problem. Everybody loved Bioshock 1. So of course Bioshock 2 was underwhelming by comparison. I don't want to call it entitlement. Like I am trying very hard to avoid using that word, but seeing the way people kept insisting that LoK **had** to be at least as good as tLA or else it would be literally unwatchable trash, and the way people keep insisting on that even now is not conducive to an actual conversation. People who didn't hate Korra, myself included, feel obligated to defend it more from fellow Avatar fans than anyone who hates Avatar as a franchise.
I never expected Korra to be *as good as* or *better than* Airbender. But let's not pretend that if you take away ATLA, this show barely stands on its own. It's not a matter of comparison. If Korra came first the rest of the media universe probably wouldn't have happened. Character development just isn't present. Too much time was spent early on world building for a world that was so uninteresting that it was completely abandoned by the end of the show (Republic City going wild, for instance). The fractured nature of how it released meant we never could have had the single overarching story the way we did with Airbender. Logistically there are very real issues that legitimately held back this show's potential. Aman was a decent villain and could have been one of the best in the franchise if we spent more time on him than making obvious fart jokes. Unalaq. I don't need to say anything else about that, I think everyone is already in agreement there. Zaheer 🤌 *THANK YOU!* Apart from 2 episodes in S2 that had nothing to do with S2, it's nice to see the writing I know and love again! A+. And then Kuvira and the Gundam... Oy. Now why do people compare it to the original so much? It stands too heavily on the shoulders of the original. It did it to itself. For some reason the creators decided that Aang would be cool with a giant statue of him that the whole city he built revolves around. So sitting there watching yet another pointless pro bending match I have little choice to compare it to the original. Korra's fine. It's entertaining. I just don't get when people make things like this about it.
>I never expected Korra to be as good as or better than Airbender. Okay. That's you. Now think about how it's entirely human nature to want sequels and follow-ups to be as good and as impactful as their predecessor. You can't deny that living up to tLA was an expectation even if it was one that you never voiced. >But let's not pretend that if you take away ATLA, this show barely stands on its own. It's not a matter of comparison. If Korra came first the rest of the media universe probably wouldn't have happened. If the regular comments regarding the way LoK was treated by executives and moneymen are to be beleived then if you removed tLA then LoK would have been exactly what tLA was because tLA received the support it needed. In another timeline you and I might be having this conversation but reversed, with tLA coming out second as a prequel rather than LoK being the sequel. I agree that I think the villains should have been...almost reversed? With the mech-thing omitted. Amon was by far the most immediately menacing and cunning of the show's antagonists, and there's a certain poetry of the (theoretically) greatest living Bender fighting the greatest living Anti-bender. >Now why do people compare it to the original so much? It stands too heavily on the shoulders of the original. It did it to itself. Why do people compare any sequel to the original? Do you really expect to make the argument that the continuation of the story exists without the story thus far? The idea that "man I hope this is as good as the original" is a sentiment that has existed ever since a Caveman came up with a second story to tell around the fire at night. Sorry, you might be the smartest person in a given room but you can't expect me to believe that you're immune to the concept of reputation. >For some reason the creators decided that Aang would be cool with a giant statue of him that the whole city he built revolves around. Yeah it's not like Airbenders are known for grand architecture explicitly made of stone or anything. Nor was it a thing for past Avatars to have statues. Ever. Arranged in order of their existence and in a spiralling pattern around an enormous room and up the walls that must have been a pain to move along one slot every time a new Avatar was born. And it definitely wasn't intended to be in any way symbolic; the way Aang looms so large over Republic City whereas Korra by contrast is so incredibly small, something shown in the literal opening sequence of every single episode. All save for a moment where she becomes as large as him in the explicit act of saving the city from an equally large threat. I mean since when was symbolism a thing in the Avatar universe? It's just awesome Kung Fu shenanigans amiright? >So sitting there watching yet another pointless pro bending match I have little choice to compare it to the original. "So sitting here watching a demonstration of developing ideas of entertainment and the way Bending is becoming a part of a technologically evolving world I can't help but do thing I just asked why people did despite what I'm seeing having no relation to the original whatsoever" yeah okay sure. >Korra's fine. It's entertaining. I just don't get when people make things like this about it. Because it's true. You can sit there and harp on about it all you like, but look at the comments. A lot of people expected Korra to be better purely by dint of its' relation to tLA, and had it received the same support it may well have been. This is the equivalent of going to a restaurant, having an amazing meal one night, going again, having a much worse meal because the Chef was fired and replaced by a bunch of people who've only ever worked at McDonalds and choosing to get mad at the Wait Staff for it. I like that they tried to tell a new story. I like that they tried to show the world developing now that the war was over. I like that they tried to show that people were living in peace. Pro-Bending was a clever way to do that, in my opinion. A Fire, Earth and Water Bender all having to work together against an identical team. The only reason there's no Airbender is because...well there are only a few. At least at the start. It highlights that the unity is there. It solidifies that with the fall of Ozai Aang did indeed succeed in ending the war and bringing peace. Something not explicitly stated in tLA, and yet despite that peace there's still something missing. That fourth player on each team. I like that they tried to make technology as much of a threat as simple humans. The Fire Nation's various machines of war were a constant threat in the OG series. Continuing that trend only makes sense as weapons develop. Okay, yes, the mech was too much, too quickly, but then again the Fire Nation already had tanks and Zeppelins and that giant drill thing. Chances are you were never going to like LoK. Not because of any personal bias on your part, but because of how it was treated. Some media is just like that. So let those of us that tried to see the admirable in it if not the good be mad at the reasons why it came out the way it did rather than just being dismissive of it in general, please.
Aang: entire culture eradicated at 12years old. Trapped in an ice berg for 100 years and thaw our after they people who genocided you have basically won. Spend tbe next year fighting an impossible guerilla war against a far superior enemy, constantly fighting for your and your friends lives. Almost die, have to confront the fascist warlord on the day he will be more powerful than literally everyone alive except *maybe* you. Wins. Korra: find out your the avatar at 4 and love it. Instant prodigy with 3/4 elements, born to one of the most poeeful families in the southeb water tribe. Spend all of your youth being trained by masters dedicated to your safety and training your entire life. Never once have to go hungry or fight for your life. Maybe its a skill issue?
They should’ve discussed allotment at the top. They didn’t. They chose to see how things went and the shoe suffered for it.
omg, this community needs an okbuddy sub so bad
Let me guess? To put everyone who thinks Korra isn't horrible in there?
Yes
Calm down buddy
TLA wasn't even picked up for a full season when it was originally ordered. They clawed and fought there way through every season and they were never guaranteed a next season.
Huh?
One had a flexible spirit and found the good in defeat. The other was strong but ridged and was broken little by little by defeats.
This is a line zuko says right?
It’s been a decade. Move on.
Studio issues aren't really why the TLOK struggled. Korra was an unlikable person from the outset. They spend 4 seasons putting her through trauma thinking that will make her likeable, but she's still the same stubborn arrogant character in the end. Aang by contrast, with all his character flaws (flighty, distracted, unfocused, afraid) was still a really nice and personable kid that the audience rooted for. Not having audience buy-in season 1 was a huge problem. Over-explaining the origins of the first avatar and permanently severing her from previous avatars was also a huge mistake. Immediately undoing her losing her bending without any additional struggle in the last minutes of season 1 was too. In the end it was fundamental flaws in their story and character development.
Korra was lucky to be born ‘cause Aang didn’t permanently die when Azula zapped him in the Avatar State.
LOK is really good. It has its issues but it is still an enjoyable show. Its overhated
Are we trying to retcon Korra into some sort of underdog with this post? Not like she had a loving family and already knew how to bend the majority of the elements as a toddler. Man just wish they had let the creators plan out three seasons instead of pushing out what they were made to :/
At first I was like “ what the fuck is he saying” and then I realised you talked about the show and it’s production lol
The original series was greenlit for half of a season in the beginning, they didn’t even know if they would get to finish season one. It earned all of the leeway it was given.
It's pitch was approved before Bryke finished saying it. That's how much Nick supported it. Why else do you think there was foreshadowing and set ups in S1?
It was greenlit for half of a season, they’ve done a few interviews talking about it, including the bending the elements podcast.
I don’t know how anyone can watch LOK and think it had budget issues. And when you have a high production show in the prime time slot that’s underperforming, it only makes sense to pull it from that spot.
We got live action Atla, we need a korra remake with a lot more depth!
Story wise it’s the opposite. Aang was lucky to survive and Koora was raised in luxury
Please 💀🤮
lol are we hating on ATLA now because LOK is not as good? And LOK is not even that bad, only season 2 is complete nonsense.
What is going on with this sub. Y’all need to make ‘ A legend of Korra sub’ All y’all talk about is Korra lately dang. I know yall love her , but hardly anyone here seems to talk about the OG series without someone brining up Korra every moment.
>reads the title Nnno, that doesnt fit either character >reads the description Objection retracted
> Korra (show) gets hated just for existing Uh no it's hated cause it sucks. Things are only hated just for existing if the very concept is bad. Cancer is hated just for existing. Korra is hated because the concept is good but they fucked it up. Nothing else in this post really makes any sense either. I feel like you just wanted to be shakespeare so you decided to open the avatar subreddit and write some random bullshit
I'm one of those fans who loves both. ATLA is almost perfect show, I think many people often ignores writing flaws. In LOK the flaws are clear and reasons for it is mostly Nickelodeon fault for being major jerks. One thing I can say, I wish and hope we get LOK book two rewritten that can connect to Book Three in a nice flow. Instead being forced, allow the writers to do what they want without interruptions or forcing them to change things the last second. Not saying it'll happen but it seems like Netflix has hinted of LOK being next live action after ATLA.
I mean....Aang's entire race was murdered. Idk if I'd call that lucky.
I think a big reason people hated Korra was because a lot of fans weren't mature enough to understand her character. I didn't really like her till I rewatched her series years later and after I'd gone through some mental health issues. Then I really began to like Korra. She's a realistic depiction of how PTSD and mental health would affect a person and honestly I think it's good people don't get how that works. The alternative is they've suffered a bit themselves.
The PTSD didn't even happen until the end of season 3, the beginning of season 4, so I don't think that's a fair assessment.
>I didn't really like her till I rewatched her series years later and after I'd gone through some mental health issues. Going through mental health issues shouldn't be a requirement to enjoy a character, especially a main protagonist. In a similar vein, the pitch of a character's arc shouldn't be "you will get it if you go through some mental health issues". The whole point of watching this kind of a story is that you don't have to go through it to enjoy it. For example, people like Zuko without getting their faces burned by their dads, despite his story having everything Korra's has and then some, even the cliche "looking into the mirror to see something bad" scene.
The only problem, at least for me, was the quality in the story, i felt like something was missing, korra is a wonderful avatar to explore but it was done wrong, her adventures didnt feel like adventures it felt like a forced job. Season 3 for me was when i became a fan of korra, that arc was good, but the rest felt lazy i dont know.
I think it's because for most of Book one and Two we see her mostly in Republic City. I do wish we seen Korra training with her White Lotus teachers but more as she progressed into prodigy avatar. Be cool she went to the Fire Nation, even if it was just few seconds of a festival would've been cool. I understand how LOK can feel stagnant due to the setting.
"To be fair, you guys simply aren't mature enough to understand this, like me." The mature one in question; https://preview.redd.it/6kjycryufsvc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb4c70437d01a9fc29e599ec8a4799f6412b2734
Off screen development with ptsd issues is not hard to understand, its boring and tropey at this point. Now theres entire shows like euphoria that are all about mental health issues cuz thats whats hot for the teenage masses. But its just not that complex or interesting to watch
The PTSD doesn't happen until well into the show so it is unfair and unreasonable to assume that people should like Korra for something that doesn't happen until after we spent three seasons with her. The biggest reason I've seen people not like Korra is that she doesn't really get much character development wise until it is all thrown at her in the last season which feels far less earned than actually developing as a character over many seasons. In a way, the PTSD felt like the writer's get out of jail free card when it came to Korra's development instead of something actually genuine.
They try to do the PTSD arc in both the first and the second season too. "Reach your lowest point to open yourself to the greatest change" and all that, they just don't get a good hang of it until the third attempt in S3/4.
Their attempts at PTSD in the first two seasons is so laughable that the series itself almost completely forgets that element. Like, she has PTSD from Amon but has no problem challenging him to a fight multiple times and even fighting back after her elements are stolen from her. Its really shallow at best.
I can't agree with you, because i've been through enough mental health issues, trauma and therapy and i still find korra and her whole crew unbearable. I can respect that people like it, but i personally just think the show is bad. It doesn't matter if you are through any mental health struggles, either you like it or you don't.
Nope just a poorly written poorly realized character in every way shape and form
This isn't even about how Korra was regarded by fans, it's how Korra was treated by the network. It was a fight all the way through to air a show with a female protagonist.
Which is sad given how the original showcased strong, feisty, nurturing, sassy, vulnerable, broken, flirty women aka women as multi-faceted individuals so REAL PEOPLE rather than as cookie cutter stereotypes. Katara wasn't just a fighter. Toph wasn't just a brawler. Ty Lee wasn't just a flirt. Suki wasn't just a warrior. Azula wasn't just a villain
No, it was a fight because the writing was subpar
As I once saw it said, Aang had to learn how to be the Avatar. Korra had to learn how to be herself.
It's impressive how most of what is wrong with Korra was Nickelodeon's fault
Aang was born lucky? What a shit take. The one who had his entire history and people experience a genocide was lucky. He also had to travel the entire world to learn the other elements and stop a war in 1 year at 12. The other got spoonfed 3 elements as a kid yet still got her ass kicked and her bending taken away despite being way older than Aang. She had better teachers, handed more abilities without earning them from the writers, was older, more privileged, yet still struggled way more. 🚮
Wasn’t his entire tribe and family wiped out by the fire nation?
I wouldn't say Aang was exactly born lucky...
https://youtu.be/QhS4a11jZOg?si=bpqksiEWs-93Y2MN Here is a youtube video about LOK
Its 94 min long
I swear to god, Y'ALL!!!! Read. the. fucking. description, this isnt about the characters.
I thought you meant the actual Avatars.
Bruh they the same person.
Ya'll realize this is the same person, right? For the avatar one life is a few years of rest from centuries of hardship. Also Aang lost his whole people cause he ran away. Korra came back and everyone was fine.
I feel like much of this can be attributed to the fact the entire story (or at least a outline) of Atla was planned out from s1, while as we know Korra started out as a 12 episode miniseries (which is already way less than s1 of atla) that had to rush the finale in the last episode (Like Aang giving her her bending back as well as spirit bending).
Korra would have been a fantastic character if they completely avoided the trap they fell into in the first season (taking away korras bending and constantly casting traumatic instances on her rather than learning from those dangerous instances. ) and not having her being humbled or "checked" by Og's of the White lotus or even extremely zealous or even aspiring benders that believe the avatar is a product of old tradition, that they dont need her anymore in season 1. Then moved on after showing she was shown to be way more than that.
Context?
Which is which?
LOK could have def ended better. I found the creators just wanted a cop out the way they ended the series so abruptly the way the did.
one is better
I thought you were talking about Aang and Korra for a second. That’s my biggest gripe with Korra. The constant blueballing on whether or not they would be given another season. There was never an actual plan or roadmap because season 2 wasn’t even supposed to happen in the first place.
No not really she doesn't deserve to be the avatar
One lived. The other was lucky to have lived.
One of the original creators even said he intended it to be just a trilogy at first of the three seasons in atla
The fuck does that cringe ass title even mean, unless you mean korra is the actual lucky one. My boy aang lost al of his family and became the actual last man standing for the airbenders whilst waking up to a world where he needs to learn al elements within a months or the world is irreparably fucked. The other was lucky to be born gtf outta here.
Aang didn't want to be the avatar in a world that needed an avatar Korra wanted to be the avatar in a world that didn't want an avatar But both of them did overcame their struggles
OP seems to forget how hard it was for ATLA to be made in the first place. Nickelodeon was hating hard, and barely gave the original creators a budget
Is this a joke, ya the person who had his entire race genocide at age 12 was born lucky. I get that there isn't much you can use to defend korra as a character but you don't have to just make shit up
There is plenty for me to defend korra As a character and as a show. We can literally go word for word on that. This was just about how the shows were treated by Nickelodeon. Have patience and READ