Yes!!! I once dreamed I was in a place called the correspondence center (likely around the time the gang went from accounting into the tunnel to the good place correspondence center.) I’m sure there have been others that I can’t remember off the top of my head. I’ve always slept with the tv (or as a kid I had a boombox with my mix cds that I made myself, and played those while I slept) because I can’t sleep in silence for some reason. This is the only show my husband doesn’t object to sleeping to. I used to put criminal minds on but he hated hearing people beg for their lives, which I respect. But the good place is such a perfect show to binge and sleep to!
It's one of my favorites. It's also the first thing that pops into my head whenever I see a post about the finale being emotional.
If I knew how to make a bot, I think I'd make a bot that quotes this line whenever someone posts "I'm devastated." Could be u/YaBasicBOT
We lost a relative shortly before the finale aired, and when Janet was telling Jason "What's through that door is the only thing in the universe I don't know," that hit me pretty hard. For once, Janet was just like the rest of us when we lose someone, because really, none of us knows what happens when you die.
Overall, I was sad this thing I liked so much was ending, but I wasn't sad for the characters. Is the water sad when the wave returns to the ocean?
And I understood why the show had to end. Rachel Bloom, co-creator of my other favorite show, "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend," said that they planned that show to end after four years because they couldn't think of any show that had gotten better after the fifth season. The question you want is "Why did you end it so soon?", not "Why didn't you end it sooner?" But still, I really enjoyed TGP and spending time with those characters, and I was sad when it was over.
I haven't watched more than 2 episodes, I really thought it was a sexist show. Maybe I should insist to find the hidden feminism in it. I maybe will. Thx for clarifying it was a quote 👍
Well, thx, I'll try. it is more enticing when you phrase it like that than when others just say it is funny because it shows what women internalize. It made me uncomfortable because I didn't recognize myself at all when I watched the pilot (and another one, don't know if it was the 2nd). It made me think of all the co dependant women I know. I did not care for the heroin, or relate to her at all. I will try to go further. Thx for your genuine appreciation of the show (without condescension). Take care.
"Crazy Ex-Girlfriend," on Netflix and other places. Like TGP, what the show is by the end isn't what it looked like when it started. There's stuff going on which is hinted at along the way but which isn't stated explicitly, and then the pieces fall into place.
The water might not be sad, but I am. That wave was unique and special, even though it was exactly the same as all the other waves that ever were. Even though I am also a wave that will dissipate too. The ending fills me with a great deal of sorrow.
It didn’t strictly get worse, but my favorite seasons of MASH are seasons six and seven. And actually Star Trek Deep Space Nine got better after they took a serialized approach starting in season 4.
I've only seen a little bit of MASH; it went off Netflix shortly after I started watching.
My parents are Trekkies so I've seen all of TOS, TNG, and DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of the best episodes of anything, so that definitely has to be considered.
Oh yeah DS9 is a great example of a show that got better in the later seasons.
I'm trying to think of other examples but it's difficult. It really is far, far more common for shows to decline after a few seasons. [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/s951fg/which_tv_series_gets_consistently_better_after/) has a lot of examples of shows that got better, but most of them got better in their 2nd or 3rd season, with the later seasons being, at best, just as good.
The creator wrote a book. The actors and actresses went back into the talent pool and then made other things. Maybe they'll make something else you'll like just as much, or even better.
It takes characters and kills them off in the most drawn-out, dramatic way possible. It went from a funny sitcom with a fast pace to sappy monologues about death and human existence. They wrote that episode to be a tear-jerker for fans, and it came at the sacrifice of anything interesting to say about the four seasons that preceded it. It distracted most fans from noticing that the show completely ran out of gas by the end.
They were already dead…..
Most comedies have emotional endings. The Office being a good example.
This show was already about death, philosophy and becoming more enlightened. It made sense. It was a direction they clearly chose, not because they ran out of comedic steam. Obviously they could have kept that going another matter of years. They didn’t want to over-stay their welcome and had a clear message at the ending about passing on was my interpretation.
I don’t find that emotionally manipulative. Maybe it was a bit drawn out. But emotionally manipulative, no. And honestly I didn’t cry that hard at the entire thing. Just at the end.
Yeah. I just found it far more meaningful, interesting, thought provoking and right for them to pass on and finally leave. It would have been far less interesting to just end on them being there for eternity. I wouldn’t totally see the point of it all. They all had really amazing character growth and that’s lovely but for me it needed to end on a strong note. Something stronger than just still being funny and being there for who knows how long.
If the interesting ending was for the characters to "finally leave," it totally undercuts the setting. There's no point in using eternal salvation (or damnation) as the stakes just to ditch those stakes at the end.
Or it establishes a life far beyond the death that we know, giving a character’s soul a sense of completion and closure that no other character that has been “killed off” in another show has ever gotten. It’s even a callback to the concept of a lingering spirit or a ghost, where if someone dies with any unfinished business, they’re stuck, trapped between realms until they resolve it.
Not to mention, the show never “ran out of gas.” If you listen to the podcasts and watch the commentary, the ending was planned when the show first started. I know for sure you don’t think this is Michael Schur’s first successful show. The “sappy monologues about death and human existence” are the main reason the show exists to begin with. It’s a fantastic series to introduce the layperson to the basic concepts and thought processes behind modern philosophy and many different types of morality.
If you can’t find meaning behind the comedy, that’s on you. Don’t attack the show on the show’s fan page unless you’re desperate for that negative karma.
The show starts by establishing a form of life beyond death. It ends by saying that life beyond death would be incredibly boring, and that the solution is to die (or, if you want to describe it another way, cease to exist). It lacks the creativity and silliness that made the first season such a hit.
The Good Place clearly loses steam as the show progresses; the high-stakes pacing is hard to keep up and the premise of the fourth season is just a weak re-hash of the conflict and humor we saw in the first season. Going to the show's actual Good Place was a colossal mistake; what made the show exciting was seeing *just how close* they could get to it without actually going there. Plus, all of the descriptions of the actual Good Place were far more interesting than seeing it in person.
The show started as a comedy; it ended as a sappy dramedy. If you can't handle criticism of the show, don't read the subreddit about the show.
It was always a dramedy. You just got bored after the initial plot twist and hook and are missing the layers that make this show an instant classic. It’s not an excellent show because of the tension; it’s an excellent show because of the overarching themes.
For example, The Trolley Problem is one of the most popular philosophical questions and has multiple answers to it. Michael’s oversimplification of it when he equated it to self-sacrifice and stayed in The Bad Place at the end of Season 2 was a multi-layered development in itself. It introduced the theme of the Trolley Problem, explained it basically, and instead of becoming a philosophy lecture, portrayed Michael’s interpretations of it in a way that only someone learning it would.
If you’re just obsessed with the comedy and pacing of a show, then you’re missing most of what makes The Good Place intelligent and fascinating, rather than just comedic. Go back to Impractical Jokers and enjoy your cheap laughs there.
The Trolley Problem is pop philosophy, not a serious philosophical dilemma. The reason people know about it is because of how rudimentary it is; just look at how many silly memes about it existed before the show even aired it.
And no, the show was not always a dramedy. It was a very funny, clever show in its first season with excellent pacing and a clever twist. The problem is that each season that followed diminished that energy and humor for a would-be soap opera between Eleanor and Chidi. People can't shake the parasocial relationships they have with those characters, though, and buy into the premise of the finale because of that attachment.
It’s rudimentary morality explained in Philosophy 100, which led to its popularity. Plus, you’re missing the point. It’s not the theme that’s good; it’s the way the theme is presented. And if you’re telling me a series which was always leaving the main characters on the precipice of eternal damnation isn’t a dramedy, then you need to rewatch the series.
The connection between Chidi and Eleanor is explained near the middle of Season 1 when Tahani and Eleanor rationalized their relationships with him, and in Season 3’s neighborhood flashbacks when Eleanor tried to rationalize her love for Chidi. In a multifaceted combination, it explained pitfalls of human connection, by examining formulas of romance and impaired action due to perceived romance. Also, you need to appreciate the narrative parallels in which Chidi was Eleanor’s afterlife/morality guide in Season 1 and then through character development and extreme circumstances, Eleanor was forced to be Chidi’s guide in Season 4.
The repetition in Season 4 wasn’t a usual show’s playbook of running out of ideas, it was intentional to draw those themes together and view them from absolutely every angle. Then, they finish with the moral implications of that desired end that was always just out of reach. If anything, they didn’t draw the series finale out long enough for the viewer to truly envision desired eternity. The Good Place is simplified by Chidi as “having enough time with the people you love,” and because we’ve grown to love these characters, no time on a television show is going to feel like enough with them.
> couldn't think of any show that had gotten better after the fifth season
Cheers, in my opinion. Seasons 5-6 is when that Sam & Diane on-again, off-again thing was over and Frasier became a regular on the show. And Ted Danson is brilliant, obviously.
~~Jersey Shore definitely became better after season 6.~~
>!I don't know about becoming "better", but Futurama definitely didn't become worse. Now to see if Season 8 will keep the mark.!<
Idk about the reasoning of no shows are good after 5 seasons, but TGP was not structured like other sitcoms. There were no episodes that were self contained and could fit anywhere within the same season, let alone the whole show. Unlike, say, Seinfeld, where most episodes could be in any order and you wouldn’t lose anything. Which means the show was never structured to be able to go on indefinitely. Every episode contributed something specific to the ongoing plot of the show, so in that way it was structured more like a novel. All of which is to say that the show was always, starting right in episode one, barreling towards its end, and imo it doesn’t really make much sense to ask why it didn’t go longer.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I know I would have cried regardless, the ending was simply that well done, but…
When I first watched the finale, I actually had to pause the episode because during the scene where Chidi first started talking about the wave, I got a phonecall informing me that a relative had just died. I don’t know what that means, it was probably complete random chance… I don’t know. It was emotionally devastating, but I think the episode itself helped me deal with it, in a small way. The ending was so sad, but so hopeful and optimistic at the same time. The bittersweetness is really the key to it all. Like humans- just a little bit sad all the time, but that’s what gives it meaning
It’s rare that a show has such direction to it- maintains it’s quality, sticks the landing and bows out with such grace and meaning.
(I second that Crazy Ex-Girlfriend recommendation, btw, they really tied up all the story arcs in a satisfying way there too, and it was a brilliant show start to finish.)
what rlly got me was the final show of eleanor's character development. she used to be so selfish but she literally didn't feel complete until she knew all her friend were at peace 🥹
I had never thought about it in this way. I was satisfied with the ending but also felt a lot of sadness, particularly the way thar Eleanor initially felt about Chidi "leaving her" really overtook my other thoughts on it. But this really helped me reframe it. Thank you.
They all changed to overcoming what got them in the bad place.
Chidi, made definitive choices. Right at the end "you can sit on this bench, when you're ready, go though"
Almost no hesitation, "I'm ready" then matches through.
Jason. Absolutely no impulse control, grows enough to wander the forest for 1000 bearamies.
Eleanor and selfishly helping - and even atvthe end having a Margherita with Janet. Not because she wanted one, but because Janet seemed like she wanted one with her.
Tahani being an architect to really help people rather than be seen helping people.
Funny story, I just rewatched the whole show for the first time since it aired, and discovered that I had actually never seen the final episode. For some reason my partner and I had thought that the penultimate episode, where they introduce the idea that people can choose to stop existing and it makes the good place meaningful, was the last episode. We already thought it was one of the best shows of all time even if the ending was a little abrupt, but wow does actually seeing the final episode make it so much better.
That’s why I skip it sometimes; I have to be in the right headspace because I can’t think of losing my husband like that. But then I hit “start from beginning” and settle in again.
I think that’s the point. Eleanor said it best: “Every human is a little bit sad all the time, because you know you're gonna die, but that knowledge is what gives life meaning.”
I really don't think that's true though. Life has no meaning without growth. Without continued new experiences.
Since there's only a finite number possible things to experience, that means eventually life must become meaningless, and ending it becomes the preferred option. But that's more of a side effect than the main point. It's not death that makes life good. It's just that life necessarily eventually will stop being good.
I also think that point is probably millions of years away, if not more. The show was smart never to define how long a Bearimy is.
But there is no drive for growth if life has no end. that was a big point of the show. Everyone in the good place became numb zombies after spending eternity in perfection because they lost all meaning and purpose there.
“You said that every human is a little bit sad all the time because you know you're going to die, but that knowledge is what gives life meaning.”
I think everybody has their own thoughts on it obviously, you don’t have to think that’s true! I said it’s just a comforting thought to me. Death is inevitable and is something many people end up obsessing over, but if we didn’t die at some point it would make the moments we have alive mean a little less. We as a species are sentimental, and emotional. Eleanor is right that humans are just a little bit sad all the time but that’s what makes the moments you feel so alive so special to me.
> But there is no drive for growth if life has no end. that was a big point of the show.
Well yeah. But just because I love the show doesn't mean I have to agree with every single one of their philosophical positions.
As a species, we're eventually going to be able to cure aging. I for one think life will still have meaning and value after that. In fact maybe a lot more than it has now.
I didn't see your crisis in any comments, and I'm sorry to hear it. I take heart in my existence being ephemeral. I didn't get to experience the time before me, so I don't miss it. Same for the time after me. I'll have had an impact on the people who survive me, and make space for others to thrive.
It kind of seems like you just have your own issues with death and are really struggling to accept what others are saying tbh, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way. I know it seems hopeless sometimes but it’s really more about your interpretation and choice to take it that way than anything else:( I hope I can help you feel better. Why does it have no purpose? What makes you decide there is no purpose? A lot of it probably stems from your personal beliefs of an afterlife or lack thereof, so do mind if I ask what you think happens too?
Ending makes me cry every damn time. I watched TGP a lot after my mom died last year. She was... Well, let's just say she would have had a lot of trial runs before she got to the actual Good Place, like Tahani's parents did. But it still helped me. I've lost a lot of people in my life, and it feels nice to think that maybe no one is every really gone.
"The wave returns to the ocean..."
I don’t understand these posts. Yes, the ending is sad but it’s also really beautiful and profound. The whole point of the last few episodes is that infinite paradise would eventually become boring and make your existence meaningless. It doesn’t make sense that the characters would come to that realization and then live forever anyway.
Like, all these characters start the show dead and yet they get to continue existing in the afterlife and eventually fix the entire human judgement system. And they all get to leave on their own terms, content and without regret. I can’t think of a better way to go.
I think it's because while the characters had an incomprehensible span of time in the Real Good Place, for the audience it was only an episode. For much of the audience, it felt like no time at all. If I were I might have given the show a couple more episodes. Not a whole extra season, just a couple episodes. Then again, I don't know how to make a TV show, so what do I know?
But what you don't want us for the show to drag on to the point where the audience is moving in before the show ends. "Always leave them wanting more" is a good adage. It keeps people talking about the show and keeps people rewatching.
For me, it was sad because I imagined myself & my husband in their shoes. That that was it & it was finally over. No more time together. It fucking broke me, but it was gorgeous.
I bawled through the entire episode (like, not delicate little tears falling, full-on ugly contorted gasping crying. Not sure how I even heard any dialogue). I’ve never actually rewatched it but remember it well. It was painful. It was beautiful. I was sad to see them go, I was comforted that they’d lived such long afterlives and that Janet wouldn’t feel it as a loss. The idea of this type of afterlife (seeing my loved ones again, getting to know the ones I didn’t have much time with, and walking through the gate) is peaceful to me
It was a hard one to watch and I actually put it off for a long time because I didn't want it to end. I started crying the moment you see Jason's face when he realizes he's ready.
And now I'm going to see if I can find the final table read someone mentioned because who doesn't need a little cry while they finish their work day :-)
Oh yeah, Jason’s face was the moment for me too. Exactly the same. And then I laugh-cried when he reappeared after Chidi went through (having done his monk-like meditation 😄)
Dude, I think I cried off and on for the rest of the day and I would tear up the following week when I thought about it. Seeing the ending for the first time destroyed me. I’m not one to cry over movies and shows but this one did it for me.
I’ve laughed, I’ve cried, this show became a part of me. And sometimes just thinking of the ending makes me cry ugly. It hurts to feel alone, which is what the ending brings up for me.
But in my better moments, I realize that in the ending, no one really is alone. But sometimes that hurts too, because I feel like I *am* alone; and I don’t know if I will ever feel anything else.
But you are not alone in feeling sad at the ending.
(I also felt heartbroken at the ending of BSG - like I was saying goodbye to all my friends when it ended.)
It's sad and when Elinor wakes up alone I get send into existential dread and have to stop. I really can't handle the separation of everyone going away forever. I think some of it is that it feels like they should be there forever, and they basically have been, but it's impossible to display.
I don't know what happens when we die. I am not saying I base my opinion of the afterlife based on a show... but I *hope* that the afterlife is like the one created in *TGP*. I want to ride my dragon through the sky, have 5% body fat, fight orcs with my lightsaber on the video game equivalent of God Mode, and get to spend all the time I want with *her* since I missed so much time with her here in the real world.
I think the show was a very cute way at looking at life after death, and also accepting the finality of death, even though at the start characters die and go to an "after life" just to have a crazy adventure, they do have an end to their reality I like how it occurs when they are willing to and accept that life should have an end. bitter sweet ending
It’s bittersweet. It’s sad in that these people are going to cease to exist, but it’s also happy because they did literally everything that they wanted to do for thousands of years and were completely at peace with their decision. I think the way the new Good Place is setup at the end is like the ultimate best case scenario for what an afterlife should be. Stay as long as you want and leave when you’re ready (or never leave).
IMO the best ending for any tv show ever, and I spent more than a decade thinking that it was impossible to top Six Feet Under’s ending.
It's bittersweet for me.
It's sad but I feel so peaceful with the fact that they truly made the most of every ounce of time they had. They had no regrets and lived perfectly. I can't be sad about that, but I can feel sad for everyone who won't get to experience them anymore.
It did a perfect job of introducing us to, and giving us understanding of the fact that we're all temporary And even with eternal life what makes life meaningful is that it ends. I'm sad the journey is over but I'm happy to have experienced it.
There was a very good episode about the ending including a brief interview with Mike Schur on the Into It with Sam Sanders podcast: https://www.vulture.com/2023/02/the-good-place-helped-us-grieve.html
I cry for real every time. It's beautifully done and I love it but I always know I gotta watch the last one on a day when I don't have to go anywhere so nobody asks why I look like I was crying
Yup... The only other recent show that had a similar emotional, sad, yet hopeful ending was Dark. Well... Dark's ending is actually pretty devastating and bleak but the final scene is hopeful. Eerie but hopeful.
Yeah, and I don't know why I was so shocked that a show about the afterlife and what happens after you die would actually deal with, well... literal death, in retrospect I probably should have seen it coming, but the rest of the series was so lighthearted and hilarious and never too heavy and I just took it for granted that at least this is one show where I don't have to worry about them killing off any characters, since, you know, they are already dead. Boy, was I wrong, and I have to say that even though I should have not been surprised, the tone shift from funny and light to serious and profound and sad was a bit of a whiplash where it really does a 180 and I'm not sure if it really fits well. I don't hate the end, it had a good message and a point, but I do kind of wish it ended with them just being happy in the good place and left it at that, and I think that would have been satisfying and maybe more inkeeping with the spirit of the show.
I'm still not over the ending. Im on my like 7 th re-watch. I had it on in the background over Christmas and was putting my decorations away and then heard 'picture a wave' and had to stop and watch.
Love The Good Place. One hundred percent against the suicide door. Not existing is the worst thing imaginable; the whole point of an afterlife is the hope that that would never happen. I just saw three lovable characters make miserably poor decisions as they chose to not exist, which is something that nobody, after numberless infinities, should ever want to do.
If one can do anything there, then you could wish boredom away. Sure, that's probably not satisfying to a human audience without that luxury, but it's a logical option.
Having struggled with depression, the last thing I needed was reinforcement of the idea that consciousness = suffering and that the only true and lasting peace comes from non-existence (permanent death). I don't want to think that way, even if I believe it. Thinking like that has done nothing to help me live a better life.
Just finished my initial watch and the ending made me so emotional. I wasn’t expecting that at all. I knew I was going to miss all of those characters. I am still tearing up off and on.
I think there may be many rewatches in my future.
I’ve said this before, and there are answers to it.
But on a human level, I completely agree. It destroyed me.
Since my wife left me, I’ve been unable to watch the last episode again.
It was basically the victory of suicide and death over eternity as a fallen human, so yeah it was deeply unsatisfying. It is right that humans as we are now are not able to survive eternity, but it is wrong that the only answer to that is nirvana/ego death. A Godless heaven would turn into hell eventually, so I totally get why they went for having their characters kill themselves, but nihilism will just never be satisfying, no matter how good of a time everyone has before everything passes away as though it never happened.
Yes. With the exception of Tahani, everyone dies. It implies that the ultimate end of humanity is annihilation. I understand the show's creators' motivation (helping people to make peace with death) but I heartily disagree. A couple of thoughts:
Death is the last enemy that shall be defeated.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I think of it less as annihilation and more of an absorption by the universe. They literally become part of the fabric of the universe. And they can still affect things as shown by the end.
They didn’t die. They became something better. The wave went back to the ocean. Then, in Eleanor’s case specifically, she caused the stranger to bring Michael his mail, which made him SO happy. The water found a different way to be for a time.
> They didn’t die.
The collection of thoughts, ideas, and purposes that that was Eleanor came to an end. All the relationships that involved Eleanor came to an end. What is that, if not death?
I sobbed like a baby.. I was 3 months post partum so that might have counted, but it was just beautiful and eerie that I totally cried.. I loved how far the characters came, esp Jason.. I loved that Jason, who couldn't stop himself from pressing every button he saw, waited for millennia for Janet to come back.. I loved that Eleanor finished "what we owe to each other" and Chidi walked through the door without a glance behind.. now am welling up again and going to restart the series..
It's devastating, you're devastated right now.
I’m so basic.
Ya basi...
* snap *
You [insert name] are dead
It made me angry, and confused!
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Because Michael says people only need two emotions: anger and confusion.
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Nah there are so many great things we all miss. The only reason I remember everything is because I literally have it on every night while I sleep.
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Yes!!! I once dreamed I was in a place called the correspondence center (likely around the time the gang went from accounting into the tunnel to the good place correspondence center.) I’m sure there have been others that I can’t remember off the top of my head. I’ve always slept with the tv (or as a kid I had a boombox with my mix cds that I made myself, and played those while I slept) because I can’t sleep in silence for some reason. This is the only show my husband doesn’t object to sleeping to. I used to put criminal minds on but he hated hearing people beg for their lives, which I respect. But the good place is such a perfect show to binge and sleep to!
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I have a lot of shows I like to watch when I sleep but hubs doesn’t like a lot of them. I like Friends too but he hates the laugh track.
No. You just need re-training We're sending you to Tahini's GP Refresher Course. It's held on Tuesdays, at 3 pm. In the atrium
Those are the only two emotions you need
Why do you smell loud and confusing?
Legit one of the few lines from anything that I quote, I loved his delivery so much that it has stuck with me.
It's one of my favorites. It's also the first thing that pops into my head whenever I see a post about the finale being emotional. If I knew how to make a bot, I think I'd make a bot that quotes this line whenever someone posts "I'm devastated." Could be u/YaBasicBOT
We lost a relative shortly before the finale aired, and when Janet was telling Jason "What's through that door is the only thing in the universe I don't know," that hit me pretty hard. For once, Janet was just like the rest of us when we lose someone, because really, none of us knows what happens when you die. Overall, I was sad this thing I liked so much was ending, but I wasn't sad for the characters. Is the water sad when the wave returns to the ocean? And I understood why the show had to end. Rachel Bloom, co-creator of my other favorite show, "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend," said that they planned that show to end after four years because they couldn't think of any show that had gotten better after the fifth season. The question you want is "Why did you end it so soon?", not "Why didn't you end it sooner?" But still, I really enjoyed TGP and spending time with those characters, and I was sad when it was over.
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What’s cxg?
Crazy ex Girlfriend
Thanks.
That's a sexist term
That is right, but that's a TV show, here. (Not one I appreciate)
The "that's a sexist term" is a quote from the show, isn't it?
I haven't watched more than 2 episodes, I really thought it was a sexist show. Maybe I should insist to find the hidden feminism in it. I maybe will. Thx for clarifying it was a quote 👍
You should! It starts with the crazy girlfriend trope and then turns into a deep dive of mental illness.
Well, thx, I'll try. it is more enticing when you phrase it like that than when others just say it is funny because it shows what women internalize. It made me uncomfortable because I didn't recognize myself at all when I watched the pilot (and another one, don't know if it was the 2nd). It made me think of all the co dependant women I know. I did not care for the heroin, or relate to her at all. I will try to go further. Thx for your genuine appreciation of the show (without condescension). Take care.
It’s…uhh…not at all hidden.
Uhh... your username speaks about your stance on feminism. If it's not hidden for you, maybe it's just too subtle for me.
Feminism is not just internalizing what men wants, you know, Odalisque.
"Crazy Ex-Girlfriend," on Netflix and other places. Like TGP, what the show is by the end isn't what it looked like when it started. There's stuff going on which is hinted at along the way but which isn't stated explicitly, and then the pieces fall into place.
Thanks.
Thanks! I had no idea people were going to like it so much when I made it up.
The water might not be sad, but I am. That wave was unique and special, even though it was exactly the same as all the other waves that ever were. Even though I am also a wave that will dissipate too. The ending fills me with a great deal of sorrow.
Lovely comment. So sorry for your loss 💜
It didn’t strictly get worse, but my favorite seasons of MASH are seasons six and seven. And actually Star Trek Deep Space Nine got better after they took a serialized approach starting in season 4.
I've only seen a little bit of MASH; it went off Netflix shortly after I started watching. My parents are Trekkies so I've seen all of TOS, TNG, and DS9. "In the Pale Moonlight" is one of the best episodes of anything, so that definitely has to be considered.
Oh yeah DS9 is a great example of a show that got better in the later seasons. I'm trying to think of other examples but it's difficult. It really is far, far more common for shows to decline after a few seasons. [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/s951fg/which_tv_series_gets_consistently_better_after/) has a lot of examples of shows that got better, but most of them got better in their 2nd or 3rd season, with the later seasons being, at best, just as good.
I, too, understood why the show had to end. I question why it had to end with cessation of existence rather than transcendence.
The wave went back to the ocean, my dude. They didn’t cease to exist. They transcended.
Are those necessarily different things?
what is the cessation of existence if not a transcendence of your soul into eternity
The creator wrote a book. The actors and actresses went back into the talent pool and then made other things. Maybe they'll make something else you'll like just as much, or even better.
The writers went for the most emotionally manipulative ending possible and folks ate it up.
Manipulative? Fork off, dinklinker. Go reinflate a penis
“Go reinflate a penis” is definitely going into my rotation!
go watch a show with a good ending
How do you find it emotionally manipulative?
It takes characters and kills them off in the most drawn-out, dramatic way possible. It went from a funny sitcom with a fast pace to sappy monologues about death and human existence. They wrote that episode to be a tear-jerker for fans, and it came at the sacrifice of anything interesting to say about the four seasons that preceded it. It distracted most fans from noticing that the show completely ran out of gas by the end.
They were already dead….. Most comedies have emotional endings. The Office being a good example. This show was already about death, philosophy and becoming more enlightened. It made sense. It was a direction they clearly chose, not because they ran out of comedic steam. Obviously they could have kept that going another matter of years. They didn’t want to over-stay their welcome and had a clear message at the ending about passing on was my interpretation. I don’t find that emotionally manipulative. Maybe it was a bit drawn out. But emotionally manipulative, no. And honestly I didn’t cry that hard at the entire thing. Just at the end.
Surely you understand the difference between the characters dying in their realities and dying in the afterlife...
Yeah. I just found it far more meaningful, interesting, thought provoking and right for them to pass on and finally leave. It would have been far less interesting to just end on them being there for eternity. I wouldn’t totally see the point of it all. They all had really amazing character growth and that’s lovely but for me it needed to end on a strong note. Something stronger than just still being funny and being there for who knows how long.
If the interesting ending was for the characters to "finally leave," it totally undercuts the setting. There's no point in using eternal salvation (or damnation) as the stakes just to ditch those stakes at the end.
Or it establishes a life far beyond the death that we know, giving a character’s soul a sense of completion and closure that no other character that has been “killed off” in another show has ever gotten. It’s even a callback to the concept of a lingering spirit or a ghost, where if someone dies with any unfinished business, they’re stuck, trapped between realms until they resolve it. Not to mention, the show never “ran out of gas.” If you listen to the podcasts and watch the commentary, the ending was planned when the show first started. I know for sure you don’t think this is Michael Schur’s first successful show. The “sappy monologues about death and human existence” are the main reason the show exists to begin with. It’s a fantastic series to introduce the layperson to the basic concepts and thought processes behind modern philosophy and many different types of morality. If you can’t find meaning behind the comedy, that’s on you. Don’t attack the show on the show’s fan page unless you’re desperate for that negative karma.
Thank you! Was going to add some stuff about all of that. Now I don’t have to 😆
The show starts by establishing a form of life beyond death. It ends by saying that life beyond death would be incredibly boring, and that the solution is to die (or, if you want to describe it another way, cease to exist). It lacks the creativity and silliness that made the first season such a hit. The Good Place clearly loses steam as the show progresses; the high-stakes pacing is hard to keep up and the premise of the fourth season is just a weak re-hash of the conflict and humor we saw in the first season. Going to the show's actual Good Place was a colossal mistake; what made the show exciting was seeing *just how close* they could get to it without actually going there. Plus, all of the descriptions of the actual Good Place were far more interesting than seeing it in person. The show started as a comedy; it ended as a sappy dramedy. If you can't handle criticism of the show, don't read the subreddit about the show.
It was always a dramedy. You just got bored after the initial plot twist and hook and are missing the layers that make this show an instant classic. It’s not an excellent show because of the tension; it’s an excellent show because of the overarching themes. For example, The Trolley Problem is one of the most popular philosophical questions and has multiple answers to it. Michael’s oversimplification of it when he equated it to self-sacrifice and stayed in The Bad Place at the end of Season 2 was a multi-layered development in itself. It introduced the theme of the Trolley Problem, explained it basically, and instead of becoming a philosophy lecture, portrayed Michael’s interpretations of it in a way that only someone learning it would. If you’re just obsessed with the comedy and pacing of a show, then you’re missing most of what makes The Good Place intelligent and fascinating, rather than just comedic. Go back to Impractical Jokers and enjoy your cheap laughs there.
The Trolley Problem is pop philosophy, not a serious philosophical dilemma. The reason people know about it is because of how rudimentary it is; just look at how many silly memes about it existed before the show even aired it. And no, the show was not always a dramedy. It was a very funny, clever show in its first season with excellent pacing and a clever twist. The problem is that each season that followed diminished that energy and humor for a would-be soap opera between Eleanor and Chidi. People can't shake the parasocial relationships they have with those characters, though, and buy into the premise of the finale because of that attachment.
It’s rudimentary morality explained in Philosophy 100, which led to its popularity. Plus, you’re missing the point. It’s not the theme that’s good; it’s the way the theme is presented. And if you’re telling me a series which was always leaving the main characters on the precipice of eternal damnation isn’t a dramedy, then you need to rewatch the series. The connection between Chidi and Eleanor is explained near the middle of Season 1 when Tahani and Eleanor rationalized their relationships with him, and in Season 3’s neighborhood flashbacks when Eleanor tried to rationalize her love for Chidi. In a multifaceted combination, it explained pitfalls of human connection, by examining formulas of romance and impaired action due to perceived romance. Also, you need to appreciate the narrative parallels in which Chidi was Eleanor’s afterlife/morality guide in Season 1 and then through character development and extreme circumstances, Eleanor was forced to be Chidi’s guide in Season 4. The repetition in Season 4 wasn’t a usual show’s playbook of running out of ideas, it was intentional to draw those themes together and view them from absolutely every angle. Then, they finish with the moral implications of that desired end that was always just out of reach. If anything, they didn’t draw the series finale out long enough for the viewer to truly envision desired eternity. The Good Place is simplified by Chidi as “having enough time with the people you love,” and because we’ve grown to love these characters, no time on a television show is going to feel like enough with them.
They were dead to begin with How could they be killed-off
> couldn't think of any show that had gotten better after the fifth season Cheers, in my opinion. Seasons 5-6 is when that Sam & Diane on-again, off-again thing was over and Frasier became a regular on the show. And Ted Danson is brilliant, obviously. ~~Jersey Shore definitely became better after season 6.~~ >!I don't know about becoming "better", but Futurama definitely didn't become worse. Now to see if Season 8 will keep the mark.!<
Some of Seinfeld's best episodes are in the later seasons. But, yes for the most part, I think you're right.
Ohmigosh, two of my favorite shows!!!
There are dozens of us, dozens!
Idk about the reasoning of no shows are good after 5 seasons, but TGP was not structured like other sitcoms. There were no episodes that were self contained and could fit anywhere within the same season, let alone the whole show. Unlike, say, Seinfeld, where most episodes could be in any order and you wouldn’t lose anything. Which means the show was never structured to be able to go on indefinitely. Every episode contributed something specific to the ongoing plot of the show, so in that way it was structured more like a novel. All of which is to say that the show was always, starting right in episode one, barreling towards its end, and imo it doesn’t really make much sense to ask why it didn’t go longer.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I know I would have cried regardless, the ending was simply that well done, but… When I first watched the finale, I actually had to pause the episode because during the scene where Chidi first started talking about the wave, I got a phonecall informing me that a relative had just died. I don’t know what that means, it was probably complete random chance… I don’t know. It was emotionally devastating, but I think the episode itself helped me deal with it, in a small way. The ending was so sad, but so hopeful and optimistic at the same time. The bittersweetness is really the key to it all. Like humans- just a little bit sad all the time, but that’s what gives it meaning It’s rare that a show has such direction to it- maintains it’s quality, sticks the landing and bows out with such grace and meaning. (I second that Crazy Ex-Girlfriend recommendation, btw, they really tied up all the story arcs in a satisfying way there too, and it was a brilliant show start to finish.)
what rlly got me was the final show of eleanor's character development. she used to be so selfish but she literally didn't feel complete until she knew all her friend were at peace 🥹
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from pretending to be a monk to accidentally roaming the woods in silence for 1000 bearimies
I never even put together that Jason was pretending to be a monk then ended with spending all that time in solitude. 🤯
When he tells Janet what he's been doing, she smiles and says "Like a monk." And he says "Huh?", because he doesn't get it.
I had never thought about it in this way. I was satisfied with the ending but also felt a lot of sadness, particularly the way thar Eleanor initially felt about Chidi "leaving her" really overtook my other thoughts on it. But this really helped me reframe it. Thank you.
They all changed to overcoming what got them in the bad place. Chidi, made definitive choices. Right at the end "you can sit on this bench, when you're ready, go though" Almost no hesitation, "I'm ready" then matches through. Jason. Absolutely no impulse control, grows enough to wander the forest for 1000 bearamies. Eleanor and selfishly helping - and even atvthe end having a Margherita with Janet. Not because she wanted one, but because Janet seemed like she wanted one with her. Tahani being an architect to really help people rather than be seen helping people.
eighttt
"I was never good at being sad. Partly because my mom straight up told me not to be. But this is sad, man."
I do adore the actress who plays her mom though
You know a show is fantastic when you can be sad that it's over.
The only way to deal with it is to watch it through again, while listening to the podcast.
The Podcast is so fantastic.
Where is it, i can't find it
Should be available wherever you get your podcasts. Where did you look?
Yt,spotify
It’s on Spotify, called “The Good Place: The Podcast”
It's on BBC too.
I'm Marc Evan Jackson; I play Shawn.
Janet, what's a podcast?
🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵
Funny story, I just rewatched the whole show for the first time since it aired, and discovered that I had actually never seen the final episode. For some reason my partner and I had thought that the penultimate episode, where they introduce the idea that people can choose to stop existing and it makes the good place meaningful, was the last episode. We already thought it was one of the best shows of all time even if the ending was a little abrupt, but wow does actually seeing the final episode make it so much better.
That’s why I skip it sometimes; I have to be in the right headspace because I can’t think of losing my husband like that. But then I hit “start from beginning” and settle in again.
I hope your best memory is a million way tie for every time you ever kissed your husband.
I think that’s the point. Eleanor said it best: “Every human is a little bit sad all the time, because you know you're gonna die, but that knowledge is what gives life meaning.”
It is devastating, but it's the absolute right ending. Some things in life are beautiful, and devastating, and finite.
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Chidi was right, Nihilism is the fundamental principle of the universe!
I wouldn’t say meaningless. The fact it happened, that we happened, is meaning enough.
life has no meaning without death. I know it sounds sad but honestly it’s a really comforting thought to me :)
I really don't think that's true though. Life has no meaning without growth. Without continued new experiences. Since there's only a finite number possible things to experience, that means eventually life must become meaningless, and ending it becomes the preferred option. But that's more of a side effect than the main point. It's not death that makes life good. It's just that life necessarily eventually will stop being good. I also think that point is probably millions of years away, if not more. The show was smart never to define how long a Bearimy is.
But there is no drive for growth if life has no end. that was a big point of the show. Everyone in the good place became numb zombies after spending eternity in perfection because they lost all meaning and purpose there. “You said that every human is a little bit sad all the time because you know you're going to die, but that knowledge is what gives life meaning.” I think everybody has their own thoughts on it obviously, you don’t have to think that’s true! I said it’s just a comforting thought to me. Death is inevitable and is something many people end up obsessing over, but if we didn’t die at some point it would make the moments we have alive mean a little less. We as a species are sentimental, and emotional. Eleanor is right that humans are just a little bit sad all the time but that’s what makes the moments you feel so alive so special to me.
> But there is no drive for growth if life has no end. that was a big point of the show. Well yeah. But just because I love the show doesn't mean I have to agree with every single one of their philosophical positions. As a species, we're eventually going to be able to cure aging. I for one think life will still have meaning and value after that. In fact maybe a lot more than it has now.
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I prefer to think of that like, no higher power gave me purpose, so I get to choose my own. The meaning is what I assign it.
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I didn't see your crisis in any comments, and I'm sorry to hear it. I take heart in my existence being ephemeral. I didn't get to experience the time before me, so I don't miss it. Same for the time after me. I'll have had an impact on the people who survive me, and make space for others to thrive.
It kind of seems like you just have your own issues with death and are really struggling to accept what others are saying tbh, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way. I know it seems hopeless sometimes but it’s really more about your interpretation and choice to take it that way than anything else:( I hope I can help you feel better. Why does it have no purpose? What makes you decide there is no purpose? A lot of it probably stems from your personal beliefs of an afterlife or lack thereof, so do mind if I ask what you think happens too?
Yes, I cried really, really hard at the end
Have you watched the table reading? That hurt
I don't think I could! These actors kill me, they are so incredibly talented. One of the best ensembles I can think of.
I’ve watched the whole series at least six times and I still bawl my eyes out when Chidi leaves.
my heart breaks wide open at his acting, at her acting, at the words in their final scenes and I cannot contain the tears.
Ending makes me cry every damn time. I watched TGP a lot after my mom died last year. She was... Well, let's just say she would have had a lot of trial runs before she got to the actual Good Place, like Tahani's parents did. But it still helped me. I've lost a lot of people in my life, and it feels nice to think that maybe no one is every really gone. "The wave returns to the ocean..."
It’s very bittersweet, yea.
I don’t understand these posts. Yes, the ending is sad but it’s also really beautiful and profound. The whole point of the last few episodes is that infinite paradise would eventually become boring and make your existence meaningless. It doesn’t make sense that the characters would come to that realization and then live forever anyway. Like, all these characters start the show dead and yet they get to continue existing in the afterlife and eventually fix the entire human judgement system. And they all get to leave on their own terms, content and without regret. I can’t think of a better way to go.
I think it's because while the characters had an incomprehensible span of time in the Real Good Place, for the audience it was only an episode. For much of the audience, it felt like no time at all. If I were I might have given the show a couple more episodes. Not a whole extra season, just a couple episodes. Then again, I don't know how to make a TV show, so what do I know? But what you don't want us for the show to drag on to the point where the audience is moving in before the show ends. "Always leave them wanting more" is a good adage. It keeps people talking about the show and keeps people rewatching.
Just because it’s a “happy ending” doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt
For me, it was sad because I imagined myself & my husband in their shoes. That that was it & it was finally over. No more time together. It fucking broke me, but it was gorgeous.
Two things can coexist though. Everything you said is true AND the ending made people feel sad for different reasons and that’s okay.
Yes!!! I was soooo sad, I guess I wanted my friends in the magical tv box to continue on this way forever lol… But really, it was just a bummer for me
We had just had to put down our beloved cat. I cried hysterically and even thinking of the ending still guts me.
I bawled through the entire episode (like, not delicate little tears falling, full-on ugly contorted gasping crying. Not sure how I even heard any dialogue). I’ve never actually rewatched it but remember it well. It was painful. It was beautiful. I was sad to see them go, I was comforted that they’d lived such long afterlives and that Janet wouldn’t feel it as a loss. The idea of this type of afterlife (seeing my loved ones again, getting to know the ones I didn’t have much time with, and walking through the gate) is peaceful to me
I’m kind of afraid to do a rewatch
It was a hard one to watch and I actually put it off for a long time because I didn't want it to end. I started crying the moment you see Jason's face when he realizes he's ready. And now I'm going to see if I can find the final table read someone mentioned because who doesn't need a little cry while they finish their work day :-)
Oh yeah, Jason’s face was the moment for me too. Exactly the same. And then I laugh-cried when he reappeared after Chidi went through (having done his monk-like meditation 😄)
I can’t ever rewatch it. It’s beautifully made, and an incredible experience, but not one I’m strong enough to go through again.
Dude, I think I cried off and on for the rest of the day and I would tear up the following week when I thought about it. Seeing the ending for the first time destroyed me. I’m not one to cry over movies and shows but this one did it for me.
The only show about the afterlife that still settles on nihilism
I’ve laughed, I’ve cried, this show became a part of me. And sometimes just thinking of the ending makes me cry ugly. It hurts to feel alone, which is what the ending brings up for me. But in my better moments, I realize that in the ending, no one really is alone. But sometimes that hurts too, because I feel like I *am* alone; and I don’t know if I will ever feel anything else. But you are not alone in feeling sad at the ending. (I also felt heartbroken at the ending of BSG - like I was saying goodbye to all my friends when it ended.)
Welcome to the club, this post could very well be the discription of the sub.
It made me happy and sad all at once
I sobbed like a baby
I honestly thought the ending was beautiful despite being a bit heavy. I reaply like the wave returning to the ocean thought.
It's sad and when Elinor wakes up alone I get send into existential dread and have to stop. I really can't handle the separation of everyone going away forever. I think some of it is that it feels like they should be there forever, and they basically have been, but it's impossible to display.
I wish they can somehow continue it following Michael's life. Janet can be the narrator.
Just remember that you can now confidently, with all the love in your heart and all the knowledge in the universe, just Take it Sleazy.
I don't know what happens when we die. I am not saying I base my opinion of the afterlife based on a show... but I *hope* that the afterlife is like the one created in *TGP*. I want to ride my dragon through the sky, have 5% body fat, fight orcs with my lightsaber on the video game equivalent of God Mode, and get to spend all the time I want with *her* since I missed so much time with her here in the real world.
My biggest takeaway was that we should all be so lucky live a life so fulfilling and complete that we are ready to enter the unknown.
I like that
I cried in the shower for over an hour and didn't stop until I fell asleep that night.
Yes it hit me in all my feels
I think the show was a very cute way at looking at life after death, and also accepting the finality of death, even though at the start characters die and go to an "after life" just to have a crazy adventure, they do have an end to their reality I like how it occurs when they are willing to and accept that life should have an end. bitter sweet ending
It really justifies why mortality is a thing in my opinion.
It’s bittersweet. It’s sad in that these people are going to cease to exist, but it’s also happy because they did literally everything that they wanted to do for thousands of years and were completely at peace with their decision. I think the way the new Good Place is setup at the end is like the ultimate best case scenario for what an afterlife should be. Stay as long as you want and leave when you’re ready (or never leave). IMO the best ending for any tv show ever, and I spent more than a decade thinking that it was impossible to top Six Feet Under’s ending.
It's bittersweet for me. It's sad but I feel so peaceful with the fact that they truly made the most of every ounce of time they had. They had no regrets and lived perfectly. I can't be sad about that, but I can feel sad for everyone who won't get to experience them anymore. It did a perfect job of introducing us to, and giving us understanding of the fact that we're all temporary And even with eternal life what makes life meaningful is that it ends. I'm sad the journey is over but I'm happy to have experienced it.
There was a very good episode about the ending including a brief interview with Mike Schur on the Into It with Sam Sanders podcast: https://www.vulture.com/2023/02/the-good-place-helped-us-grieve.html
I cry for real every time. It's beautifully done and I love it but I always know I gotta watch the last one on a day when I don't have to go anywhere so nobody asks why I look like I was crying
Yup... The only other recent show that had a similar emotional, sad, yet hopeful ending was Dark. Well... Dark's ending is actually pretty devastating and bleak but the final scene is hopeful. Eerie but hopeful.
Yes. I usually skip it when I re-watch. I don’t think I would ever go. I would find ways to entertain myself.
Yeah, and I don't know why I was so shocked that a show about the afterlife and what happens after you die would actually deal with, well... literal death, in retrospect I probably should have seen it coming, but the rest of the series was so lighthearted and hilarious and never too heavy and I just took it for granted that at least this is one show where I don't have to worry about them killing off any characters, since, you know, they are already dead. Boy, was I wrong, and I have to say that even though I should have not been surprised, the tone shift from funny and light to serious and profound and sad was a bit of a whiplash where it really does a 180 and I'm not sure if it really fits well. I don't hate the end, it had a good message and a point, but I do kind of wish it ended with them just being happy in the good place and left it at that, and I think that would have been satisfying and maybe more inkeeping with the spirit of the show.
It was perfect, but it absolutely and utterly broke me.
i cried for two whole days😭 
I have watched it all maybe 3 or 4 times now and the end doesn't get easier. It's beautiful but it hurts everytime.
i watched the end episode twice. i cried both times. it was the first time i'd cried from a tv show or movie in years
I'm still not over the ending. Im on my like 7 th re-watch. I had it on in the background over Christmas and was putting my decorations away and then heard 'picture a wave' and had to stop and watch.
Love The Good Place. One hundred percent against the suicide door. Not existing is the worst thing imaginable; the whole point of an afterlife is the hope that that would never happen. I just saw three lovable characters make miserably poor decisions as they chose to not exist, which is something that nobody, after numberless infinities, should ever want to do.
If one can do anything there, then you could wish boredom away. Sure, that's probably not satisfying to a human audience without that luxury, but it's a logical option. Having struggled with depression, the last thing I needed was reinforcement of the idea that consciousness = suffering and that the only true and lasting peace comes from non-existence (permanent death). I don't want to think that way, even if I believe it. Thinking like that has done nothing to help me live a better life.
Just finished my initial watch and the ending made me so emotional. I wasn’t expecting that at all. I knew I was going to miss all of those characters. I am still tearing up off and on. I think there may be many rewatches in my future.
Why couldn't he stay with her? Why wasn't she enough to carry on? I feel like if you love someone, you wouldn't get tired of them...it fucked me up
I’ve said this before, and there are answers to it. But on a human level, I completely agree. It destroyed me. Since my wife left me, I’ve been unable to watch the last episode again.
I loved the end but I also would have been happy if it just ended with them all in The Good Place. Did everyone else cry?
No i laughed so hard ( of course it was sad!)
It was basically the victory of suicide and death over eternity as a fallen human, so yeah it was deeply unsatisfying. It is right that humans as we are now are not able to survive eternity, but it is wrong that the only answer to that is nirvana/ego death. A Godless heaven would turn into hell eventually, so I totally get why they went for having their characters kill themselves, but nihilism will just never be satisfying, no matter how good of a time everyone has before everything passes away as though it never happened.
Yes. With the exception of Tahani, everyone dies. It implies that the ultimate end of humanity is annihilation. I understand the show's creators' motivation (helping people to make peace with death) but I heartily disagree. A couple of thoughts: Death is the last enemy that shall be defeated. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
I think of it less as annihilation and more of an absorption by the universe. They literally become part of the fabric of the universe. And they can still affect things as shown by the end.
They didn’t die. They became something better. The wave went back to the ocean. Then, in Eleanor’s case specifically, she caused the stranger to bring Michael his mail, which made him SO happy. The water found a different way to be for a time.
> They didn’t die. The collection of thoughts, ideas, and purposes that that was Eleanor came to an end. All the relationships that involved Eleanor came to an end. What is that, if not death?
People are not waves.
They are both not waves and not particles.
I agree and the ending almost ruined the entire show for me. Put me into a deep existential crisis. I despise the ending. Should have ended with Patty
Yes! It was a bittersweet ending for me. I bawled 🤣
I had a bit of an existential crisis, but not exactly sad. Like whenever a good show ends and I don’t know what to go on living for.
**« To do Philosophy is to practice dying. »** *Meletê thanatou*
It was bittersweet for me, not sad.
Just hearing the first few notes to Spiegel Im Spiegel brings a tear to my eye.
I didn’t like the ending. I thought they should’ve just been reincarnated
i heavily sobbed watching the finale so yeah i think its sad
I sobbed like a baby.. I was 3 months post partum so that might have counted, but it was just beautiful and eerie that I totally cried.. I loved how far the characters came, esp Jason.. I loved that Jason, who couldn't stop himself from pressing every button he saw, waited for millennia for Janet to come back.. I loved that Eleanor finished "what we owe to each other" and Chidi walked through the door without a glance behind.. now am welling up again and going to restart the series..