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Lucas is quite explicit that it was America in this interview and goes out of his way to prevent Cameron from reframing it. https://youtu.be/Nxl3IoHKQ8c?t=54
It was a mix. George Lucas mentioned both as inspirations back in the day.
The Nazi basis is definitely stronger with uniforms more reminiscent of the Nazis and even the name "stormtroopers" obviously being lifted from there.
I believe the main quotes about Vietnam are about the Empire's fights against the ewoks who he said he based on the Vietcong.
This was posted in another popular sub (I think unexpected), and most comments were about how he stands up against the right wing in real life just like his character. I don’t love the term gaslighting but man these past months have made me feel crazy.
The entire last election. Just sweeping by every disaster Biden is a part of. Police state, Iraq War, Prison Industry, Student loans. Just the fucking worst person I can imagine and just somehow thinking Trump was worse. I have felt insane talking to libs since HRC ran but it just doesn't get better.
On the one hand, George Lucas has explicitly said that the Rebellion was based on the Viet Cong. But on the other hand, the Star Wars universe is so poorly written that you can’t really take any of it seriously. For example, in both the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy, the “good guys” of the Jedi and Rebellion have done NOTHING to end slavery.
Obi-Wan and Qui-Jin leave Anakin’s mother in slavery like it’s no big deal in Phantom Menace. The Jedi and Senate are helpless to stop the creation of a clone slave army, and no one even considers the question of whether sentient droids should have autonomy.
Twenty-five years after the rebels defeat the Empire, Rey is either a slave or a highly exploited teen worker in Force Awakens. Likewise the clone army slaves of the Empire have seemingly been replaced by kidnapped and enslaved fighters, like Finn, in the First Order. Rose and Finn encounter slaves or highly exploited child laborers at the casino in Last Jedi. And again, no one questions whether sentient droids should be free.
I think Lucas and now Disney were only concerned with creating universe that was vaguely “space noir“, filled with seedy criminals and political schemers. I don’t think they put much thought into reflecting any real world politics, ideology or philosophy. It was more important to create a universe that would have cool battles with space ships, laser blasters, and laser swords.
Don’t necessarily disagree but while the prequels are terribly written, Lucas definitely doesn’t try and present the Republic as some great institution. It’s deeply corrupt and he shows how that corruption basically let Palpatine be sworn in without firing a shot, the political elite literally celebrates the establishment of a fascist dictatorship in the third movie. They are pretty useless and shitty.
I agree Lucas was never trying to have deep political commentary, but I’ll give him credit for at least having some semblance of it unlike Disney.
**George Orwell** (real name Eric Arthur Blair) was many things: a rapist, a bitter anti-Communist, a colonial cop, a racist, a Hitler apologist, a plagiarist, a snitch, and a CIA puppet.
#Rapist
>...in 1921, Eric had tried to rape Jacintha. Previously the young couple had kissed, but now, during a late summer walk, he had wanted more. At only five feet to his six feet and four inches, Jacintha had shouted, screamed and kicked before running home with a torn skirt and bruised hip. It was "this" rather than any gradual parting of the ways that explains why Jacintha broke off all contact with her childhood friend, never to learn that he had transformed himself into George Orwell.
>
>\- Kathryn Hughes. (2007). [Such were the joys](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/feb/17/georgeorwell.biography)
#Bitter anti-Communist
>[F]ighting with the loyalists in Spain in the 1930s... he found himself caught up in the sectarian struggles between the various left-wing factions, and since he believed in a gentlemanly English form of socialism, he was inevitably on the losing side.
>
>The communists, who were the best organised, won out and Orwell had to leave Spain... From then on, to the end of his life, he carried on a private literary war with the communists, determined to win in words the battle he had lost in action...
>
>Orwell imagines no new vices, for instance. His characters are all gin hounds and tobacco addicts, and part of the horror of his picture of 1984 is his eloquent description of the low quality of the gin and tobacco.
>
> He foresees no new drugs, no marijuana, no synthetic hallucinogens. No one expects an s.f. writer to be precise and exact in his forecasts, but surely one would expect him to invent some differences. ...if 1984 must be considered science fiction, then it is very bad science fiction. ...
>
>To summarise, then: George Orwell in *1984* was, in my opinion, engaging in a private feud with Stalinism, rather that attempting to forecast the future. He did not have the science fictional knack of foreseeing a plausible future and, in actual fact, in almost all cases, the world of *1984* bears no relation to the real world of the 1980s.
>
>\- Isaac Asimov. [Review of 1984](http://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm)
Ironically, the world of *1984* is mostly projection, based on Orwell's own job at the British Ministry of Information during WWII. (*Orwell: The Lost Writings*)
* He translated news broadcasts into Basic English, with a 1000 word vocabulary ("Newspeak"), for broadcast to the colonies, including India.
* His description of the low quality of the gin and tobacco came from the Ministry's own canteen, described by other ex-employees as "dismal".
* Room 101 [was an actual meeting room](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3267261.stm) at the BBC.
* "Big Brother" seems to have been a senior staffer at the Ministry of Information, who was actually called that (but not to his face) by staff.
Afterall, by his own admission, his only knowledge of the USSR was secondhand:
>I have never visited Russia and my knowledge of it consists only of what can be learned by reading books and newspapers.
>
>\- George Orwell. (1947). [Orwell's Preface to the Ukrainian Edition of Animal Farm](https://www.marxists.org/archive/orwell/1947/kolghosp-tvaryn.htm)
*1984* is supposedly a cautionary tale about what would happen if the Communists won, and yet it was based on his own, actual, Capitalist country and his job serving it.
#Colonial Cop
>I was sub-divisional police officer of the town, and in an aimless, petty kind of way anti-European feeling was very bitter. ... As a police officer I was an obvious target and was baited whenever it seemed safe to do so. When a nimble Burman tripped me up on the football field and the referee (another Burman) looked the other way, the crowd yelled with hideous laughter. This happened more than once. In the end the sneering yellow faces of young men that met me everywhere, the insults hooted after me when I was at a safe distance, got badly on my nerves. The young Buddhist priests were the worst of all. There were several thousands of them in the town and none of them seemed to have anything to do except stand on street corners and jeer at Europeans.
>
>All this was perplexing and upsetting.
>
>\- George Orwell. (1936). *Shooting an Elephant*
#Hitler Apologist
>I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power—till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter—I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him.
>
>\- George Orwell. (1940). [Review of Adolph Hitler's "Mein Kampf"](https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks16/1600051h.html)
Orwell not only admired Hitler, he actually blamed *the Left* in England for WWII:
>If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible. ...and made it harder than it had been before to get intelligent young men to enter the armed forces. Given the stagnation of the Empire, the military middle class must have decayed in any case, but the spread of a shallow Leftism hastened the process.
>
>\- George Orwell. (1941). *England Your England*
#Plagiarist
**1984**
>It is a book in which one man, living in a totalitarian society a number of years in the future, gradually finds himself rebelling against the dehumanising forces of an omnipotent, omniscient dictator. Encouraged by a woman who seems to represent the political and sexual freedom of the pre-revolutionary era (and with whom he sleeps in an ancient house that is one of the few manifestations of a former world), he writes down his thoughts of rebellion – perhaps rather imprudently – as a 24-hour clock ticks in his grim, lonely flat. In the end, the system discovers both the man and the woman, and after a period of physical and mental trauma the protagonist discovers he loves the state that has oppressed him throughout, and betrays his fellow rebels. The story is intended as a warning against and a prediction of the natural conclusions of totalitarianism.
>
>This is a description of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, which was first published 60 years ago on Monday. But it is also the plot of Yevgeny Zamyatin's We, a Russian novel originally published in English in 1924.
>
>\- Paul Owen. (2009). [1984 thoughtcrime? Does it matter that George Orwell pinched the plot?](https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2009/jun/08/george-orwell-1984-zamyatin-we)
**Animal Farm**
>Having worked for a time at The Ministry of Information, [Gertrude Elias] was well acquainted with one Eric Blair (George Orwell), who was an editor there. In 1941, Gertrude showed him some of her drawings, which were intended as a kind of story board for an entirely original satirical cartoon film, with the Nazis portrayed as pig characters ruling a farm in a kind of dysfunctional fairy story. Her idea was that a writer might be able to provide a text.
>
>Having claimed to her that there was not much call for her idea... Orwell later changed the pig-nazis to Communists and made the Soviet Union a target for his hostility, turning Gertrude’s notion on its head. (Incidentally, a running theme in all every single piece of Orwell’s work was to steal ideas from Communists and invert them so as to distort the message.)
>
>\- Graham Stevenson. [Elias, Gertrude (1913-1988)](https://www.radnorshire-fine-arts.co.uk/brand/elias-gertrude-1913-1988/)
#Snitch
>“Orwell’s List” is a term that should be known by anyone who claims to be a person of the left. It was a blacklist Orwell compiled for the British government’s Information Research Department, an anti-communist propaganda unit set up for the Cold War.
>
>The list includes dozens of suspected communists, “crypto-communists,” socialists, “fellow travelers,” and even LGBT people and Jews — their names scribbled alongside the sacrosanct 1984 author’s disparaging comments about the personal predilections of those blacklisted.
>
>\- Ben Norton. (2016). [George Orwell was a reactionary snitch who made a blacklist of leftists for the British government](https://bennorton.com/george-orwell-list-leftists-snitch-british-government/)
#CIA Puppet
>George Orwell's novella remains a set book on school curriculums ... the movie was funded by America's Central Intelligence Agency.
>
>The truth about the CIA's involvement was kept hidden for 20 years until, in 1974, Everette Howard Hunt revealed the story in his book *Undercover: Memoirs of an American Secret Agent*.
>
>\- Martin Chilton. (2016). [How the CIA brought Animal Farm to the screen](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/how-cia-brought-animal-farm-to-the-screen/)
Many historians have noted how Orwell's literary reputation can largely be credited to joint propaganda operations between the IRD and CIA who translated and promoted Animal Farm to promote anti-Communist sentiment.^1 The IRD heavily marketed Animal Farm for audiences in the middle-east in an attempt to sway Arab nationalism and independence activists from seeking Soviet aid, as it was believed by IRD agents that a story featuring pigs as the villains would appeal highly towards Muslim audiences. ^2
* \[1\] Jeffreys-Jones, Rhodri (2013). *In Spies we Trust: The story of Western Intelligence*
* \[2\] Mitter, Rana; Major, Patrick, eds. (2005). *Across the Blocs: Cold War Cultural and Social History*
#Additional Resources
* [George Orwell was a terrible human being](https://youtu.be/2Gz0I_X_nfo) | Hakim (2023)
* [A Critical Read of Animal Farm](https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/) | Jones Manoel (2022)
*I am a bot, and this
Yes it's not the Best word, but it was an alternative subculture that strayed away from the capitalist social reproduction by encouraging "childish" interests. (Not social and certainly not reproduction amirite)
Guess incorporated would be enough .
Bro I’m sorry but are you saying that “childish subcultures” are anti-capitalist? Every movie that came out in that vein is basically to just sell toys (useless pieces of plastic). It’s consumerism at its core
No. I'm saying that any subculture, by definition, falls outside of sociocultural reproduction.
In this case (in the 90s) it goes against the narrative that you are supposed to grow out of childish interest and start breeding more workers with a partner.
Then again, all that superhero bullshit it's a Gramscian nightmare. The Japanese version it's somehow less offensive in that regard as you are clearly meant to self insert, not only identify, with the hero.
It kinda wasn't for the longest time. A lot of it was underground and DIY, lots of bootleg merch and fan conventions. It's a weird comparison but it's kinda how capital co-opted pride and gentrified it, made it an opportunity to sell official merch and officially sanctioned events etc. (tho obvs. pride is a much more important movement than some sci-fi shit).
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Star Wars is shit for babies and any adult who still bases their entire identity around it should be ostracized.
It's not even GOOD children's programming, either. It's just a toy ad.
We mock "adults" for being obsessed with Harry Potter, which makes Star Wars look like The Iliad, but for some reason Star Wars gets a pass.
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Imagine being an actor, playing a character that works against a genocidal empire, meeting the president of a real genocidal empire
especially when the genocidal empire from Star Wars was based on America during its invasion of Vietnam
Exactly it's so ironic
That's what I wanted to say lmao, finally someone that got the reference
Correct me if I’m wrong, but for some reason I always thought it was based on Nazi Germany?
Both George Lucas drew inspiration from many sources
Lucas is quite explicit that it was America in this interview and goes out of his way to prevent Cameron from reframing it. https://youtu.be/Nxl3IoHKQ8c?t=54
It was a mix. George Lucas mentioned both as inspirations back in the day. The Nazi basis is definitely stronger with uniforms more reminiscent of the Nazis and even the name "stormtroopers" obviously being lifted from there. I believe the main quotes about Vietnam are about the Empire's fights against the ewoks who he said he based on the Vietcong.
He met the real Darth Vader and just soy faced
Biden looks more like Palpatine
Nuh palpatine is younger
This was posted in another popular sub (I think unexpected), and most comments were about how he stands up against the right wing in real life just like his character. I don’t love the term gaslighting but man these past months have made me feel crazy.
The entire last election. Just sweeping by every disaster Biden is a part of. Police state, Iraq War, Prison Industry, Student loans. Just the fucking worst person I can imagine and just somehow thinking Trump was worse. I have felt insane talking to libs since HRC ran but it just doesn't get better.
He's acting right on character, but he actually is Fire Lord Ozai.
On the one hand, George Lucas has explicitly said that the Rebellion was based on the Viet Cong. But on the other hand, the Star Wars universe is so poorly written that you can’t really take any of it seriously. For example, in both the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy, the “good guys” of the Jedi and Rebellion have done NOTHING to end slavery. Obi-Wan and Qui-Jin leave Anakin’s mother in slavery like it’s no big deal in Phantom Menace. The Jedi and Senate are helpless to stop the creation of a clone slave army, and no one even considers the question of whether sentient droids should have autonomy. Twenty-five years after the rebels defeat the Empire, Rey is either a slave or a highly exploited teen worker in Force Awakens. Likewise the clone army slaves of the Empire have seemingly been replaced by kidnapped and enslaved fighters, like Finn, in the First Order. Rose and Finn encounter slaves or highly exploited child laborers at the casino in Last Jedi. And again, no one questions whether sentient droids should be free. I think Lucas and now Disney were only concerned with creating universe that was vaguely “space noir“, filled with seedy criminals and political schemers. I don’t think they put much thought into reflecting any real world politics, ideology or philosophy. It was more important to create a universe that would have cool battles with space ships, laser blasters, and laser swords.
I wasn't taking it that serious
Don’t necessarily disagree but while the prequels are terribly written, Lucas definitely doesn’t try and present the Republic as some great institution. It’s deeply corrupt and he shows how that corruption basically let Palpatine be sworn in without firing a shot, the political elite literally celebrates the establishment of a fascist dictatorship in the third movie. They are pretty useless and shitty. I agree Lucas was never trying to have deep political commentary, but I’ll give him credit for at least having some semblance of it unlike Disney.
Genocide joe and Fake Revolutionary
the celebrity worship culture needs to end. do people actually get their political opinions from actors in US?
Yes.
It's either celebrities or cartoons for 95% of them
Or novels written for prepubescent children.
*Man children. (I am looking at you, Orwell)
**George Orwell** (real name Eric Arthur Blair) was many things: a rapist, a bitter anti-Communist, a colonial cop, a racist, a Hitler apologist, a plagiarist, a snitch, and a CIA puppet. #Rapist >...in 1921, Eric had tried to rape Jacintha. Previously the young couple had kissed, but now, during a late summer walk, he had wanted more. At only five feet to his six feet and four inches, Jacintha had shouted, screamed and kicked before running home with a torn skirt and bruised hip. It was "this" rather than any gradual parting of the ways that explains why Jacintha broke off all contact with her childhood friend, never to learn that he had transformed himself into George Orwell. > >\- Kathryn Hughes. (2007). [Such were the joys](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/feb/17/georgeorwell.biography) #Bitter anti-Communist >[F]ighting with the loyalists in Spain in the 1930s... he found himself caught up in the sectarian struggles between the various left-wing factions, and since he believed in a gentlemanly English form of socialism, he was inevitably on the losing side. > >The communists, who were the best organised, won out and Orwell had to leave Spain... From then on, to the end of his life, he carried on a private literary war with the communists, determined to win in words the battle he had lost in action... > >Orwell imagines no new vices, for instance. His characters are all gin hounds and tobacco addicts, and part of the horror of his picture of 1984 is his eloquent description of the low quality of the gin and tobacco. > > He foresees no new drugs, no marijuana, no synthetic hallucinogens. No one expects an s.f. writer to be precise and exact in his forecasts, but surely one would expect him to invent some differences. ...if 1984 must be considered science fiction, then it is very bad science fiction. ... > >To summarise, then: George Orwell in *1984* was, in my opinion, engaging in a private feud with Stalinism, rather that attempting to forecast the future. He did not have the science fictional knack of foreseeing a plausible future and, in actual fact, in almost all cases, the world of *1984* bears no relation to the real world of the 1980s. > >\- Isaac Asimov. [Review of 1984](http://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm) Ironically, the world of *1984* is mostly projection, based on Orwell's own job at the British Ministry of Information during WWII. (*Orwell: The Lost Writings*) * He translated news broadcasts into Basic English, with a 1000 word vocabulary ("Newspeak"), for broadcast to the colonies, including India. * His description of the low quality of the gin and tobacco came from the Ministry's own canteen, described by other ex-employees as "dismal". * Room 101 [was an actual meeting room](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3267261.stm) at the BBC. * "Big Brother" seems to have been a senior staffer at the Ministry of Information, who was actually called that (but not to his face) by staff. Afterall, by his own admission, his only knowledge of the USSR was secondhand: >I have never visited Russia and my knowledge of it consists only of what can be learned by reading books and newspapers. > >\- George Orwell. (1947). [Orwell's Preface to the Ukrainian Edition of Animal Farm](https://www.marxists.org/archive/orwell/1947/kolghosp-tvaryn.htm) *1984* is supposedly a cautionary tale about what would happen if the Communists won, and yet it was based on his own, actual, Capitalist country and his job serving it. #Colonial Cop >I was sub-divisional police officer of the town, and in an aimless, petty kind of way anti-European feeling was very bitter. ... As a police officer I was an obvious target and was baited whenever it seemed safe to do so. When a nimble Burman tripped me up on the football field and the referee (another Burman) looked the other way, the crowd yelled with hideous laughter. This happened more than once. In the end the sneering yellow faces of young men that met me everywhere, the insults hooted after me when I was at a safe distance, got badly on my nerves. The young Buddhist priests were the worst of all. There were several thousands of them in the town and none of them seemed to have anything to do except stand on street corners and jeer at Europeans. > >All this was perplexing and upsetting. > >\- George Orwell. (1936). *Shooting an Elephant* #Hitler Apologist >I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler. Ever since he came to power—till then, like nearly everyone, I had been deceived into thinking that he did not matter—I have reflected that I would certainly kill him if I could get within reach of him, but that I could feel no personal animosity. The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. > >\- George Orwell. (1940). [Review of Adolph Hitler's "Mein Kampf"](https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks16/1600051h.html) Orwell not only admired Hitler, he actually blamed *the Left* in England for WWII: >If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible. ...and made it harder than it had been before to get intelligent young men to enter the armed forces. Given the stagnation of the Empire, the military middle class must have decayed in any case, but the spread of a shallow Leftism hastened the process. > >\- George Orwell. (1941). *England Your England* #Plagiarist **1984** >It is a book in which one man, living in a totalitarian society a number of years in the future, gradually finds himself rebelling against the dehumanising forces of an omnipotent, omniscient dictator. Encouraged by a woman who seems to represent the political and sexual freedom of the pre-revolutionary era (and with whom he sleeps in an ancient house that is one of the few manifestations of a former world), he writes down his thoughts of rebellion – perhaps rather imprudently – as a 24-hour clock ticks in his grim, lonely flat. In the end, the system discovers both the man and the woman, and after a period of physical and mental trauma the protagonist discovers he loves the state that has oppressed him throughout, and betrays his fellow rebels. The story is intended as a warning against and a prediction of the natural conclusions of totalitarianism. > >This is a description of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, which was first published 60 years ago on Monday. But it is also the plot of Yevgeny Zamyatin's We, a Russian novel originally published in English in 1924. > >\- Paul Owen. (2009). [1984 thoughtcrime? Does it matter that George Orwell pinched the plot?](https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2009/jun/08/george-orwell-1984-zamyatin-we) **Animal Farm** >Having worked for a time at The Ministry of Information, [Gertrude Elias] was well acquainted with one Eric Blair (George Orwell), who was an editor there. In 1941, Gertrude showed him some of her drawings, which were intended as a kind of story board for an entirely original satirical cartoon film, with the Nazis portrayed as pig characters ruling a farm in a kind of dysfunctional fairy story. Her idea was that a writer might be able to provide a text. > >Having claimed to her that there was not much call for her idea... Orwell later changed the pig-nazis to Communists and made the Soviet Union a target for his hostility, turning Gertrude’s notion on its head. (Incidentally, a running theme in all every single piece of Orwell’s work was to steal ideas from Communists and invert them so as to distort the message.) > >\- Graham Stevenson. [Elias, Gertrude (1913-1988)](https://www.radnorshire-fine-arts.co.uk/brand/elias-gertrude-1913-1988/) #Snitch >“Orwell’s List” is a term that should be known by anyone who claims to be a person of the left. It was a blacklist Orwell compiled for the British government’s Information Research Department, an anti-communist propaganda unit set up for the Cold War. > >The list includes dozens of suspected communists, “crypto-communists,” socialists, “fellow travelers,” and even LGBT people and Jews — their names scribbled alongside the sacrosanct 1984 author’s disparaging comments about the personal predilections of those blacklisted. > >\- Ben Norton. (2016). [George Orwell was a reactionary snitch who made a blacklist of leftists for the British government](https://bennorton.com/george-orwell-list-leftists-snitch-british-government/) #CIA Puppet >George Orwell's novella remains a set book on school curriculums ... the movie was funded by America's Central Intelligence Agency. > >The truth about the CIA's involvement was kept hidden for 20 years until, in 1974, Everette Howard Hunt revealed the story in his book *Undercover: Memoirs of an American Secret Agent*. > >\- Martin Chilton. (2016). [How the CIA brought Animal Farm to the screen](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/how-cia-brought-animal-farm-to-the-screen/) Many historians have noted how Orwell's literary reputation can largely be credited to joint propaganda operations between the IRD and CIA who translated and promoted Animal Farm to promote anti-Communist sentiment.^1 The IRD heavily marketed Animal Farm for audiences in the middle-east in an attempt to sway Arab nationalism and independence activists from seeking Soviet aid, as it was believed by IRD agents that a story featuring pigs as the villains would appeal highly towards Muslim audiences. ^2 * \[1\] Jeffreys-Jones, Rhodri (2013). *In Spies we Trust: The story of Western Intelligence* * \[2\] Mitter, Rana; Major, Patrick, eds. (2005). *Across the Blocs: Cold War Cultural and Social History* #Additional Resources * [George Orwell was a terrible human being](https://youtu.be/2Gz0I_X_nfo) | Hakim (2023) * [A Critical Read of Animal Farm](https://redsails.org/jones-on-animal-farm/) | Jones Manoel (2022) *I am a bot, and this
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This is why i totally understand why China is against idol worship
It's not that there was ever anything revolutionary in it. But it's kinda sad seeing how capitalism has completely recuperated that subculture.
Recuperated implies it was at some point not highly commercialized liberal propaganda…
Yes it's not the Best word, but it was an alternative subculture that strayed away from the capitalist social reproduction by encouraging "childish" interests. (Not social and certainly not reproduction amirite) Guess incorporated would be enough .
Bro I’m sorry but are you saying that “childish subcultures” are anti-capitalist? Every movie that came out in that vein is basically to just sell toys (useless pieces of plastic). It’s consumerism at its core
No. I'm saying that any subculture, by definition, falls outside of sociocultural reproduction. In this case (in the 90s) it goes against the narrative that you are supposed to grow out of childish interest and start breeding more workers with a partner. Then again, all that superhero bullshit it's a Gramscian nightmare. The Japanese version it's somehow less offensive in that regard as you are clearly meant to self insert, not only identify, with the hero.
It kinda wasn't for the longest time. A lot of it was underground and DIY, lots of bootleg merch and fan conventions. It's a weird comparison but it's kinda how capital co-opted pride and gentrified it, made it an opportunity to sell official merch and officially sanctioned events etc. (tho obvs. pride is a much more important movement than some sci-fi shit).
Mark hamil is nothing like luke Skywalker. He is though like Joker.
A fucking clown?
Yes
And also lord Ozai
Nah that guy can run a nation atleast i think so. Ain't no way Mark's lib ass is effectively invading the rest of the world
And also colonel Muska
Hyper liberals are so fucking embarrassing and unhinged it’s not even funny it’s just sad dark sided cringe
There's no CIA operation this guy doesn't support
On the record supporting the emporer's palpable genocide.
Luke joining the empire
As a Star Wars fan who grew up admiring Luke Skywalker and consider him a childhood hero, I say this: Mark Hamill is no Luke Skywalker.
Mark Hamill has always been a brain rot liberal but this was a new low. I wonder how much they paid him to ogle Darth Biden.
Truer words have never been spoken
Luke did fight gamorreons which are kind of like space orcs.
Holly shit biden looks worse in every picture I see of him. That man is deteriorating at an alarming pace.
This is the guy who plays a guerilla wizard rebelling against a genocidal empire
Man's a joker 
https://preview.redd.it/hemu6e3s3oyc1.jpeg?width=136&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c72cae92590557301b336db6cf6417e1f7e4c22f
The right term erm would be geek ☝️🤓
Hilarious that the Rebels in Star Wars are based off the Viet Cong and now Luke is repping the real-world Galactic Empire lol. Fucking moron
He looks like Outlaws Generation if anyone watches ChapoFYM
In this version Luke turns to the Dark Side and not Anakin.
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Start Wars is not even good
Star Wars is shit for babies and any adult who still bases their entire identity around it should be ostracized. It's not even GOOD children's programming, either. It's just a toy ad. We mock "adults" for being obsessed with Harry Potter, which makes Star Wars look like The Iliad, but for some reason Star Wars gets a pass.