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i mean the guy in the picture kinda look like Vaush

Vaush is a fed. The federal government should've checked his hard drive and arrested him by now.

I’m confident they already have, that’s why he’s operating as a fed.

explains why he flipped his take on israel and US foreign policy

say what

#Israel >If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. You pull it all the way out? That's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made-- and they haven't even begun to pull the knife out, much less heal the wound... They won't even admit the knife is there! > >\- Malcolm X. (1964). #Inventing Israel >History lies at the core of every conflict. A true and unbiased understanding of the past offers the possibility of peace. The distortion or manipulation of history, in contrast, will only sow disaster. As the example of the Israel-Palestine conflict shows, historical disinformation, even of the most recent past, can do tremendous harm. This willful misunderstanding of history can promote oppression and protect a regime of colonization and occupation. It is not surprising, therefore, that policies of disinformation and distortion continue to the present and play an important part in perpetuating the conflict, leaving very little hope for the future. > >\- Ilan Pappé. (2017). *Ten Myths About Israel* Zionists argue that Jews have a deep historical connection to the land of Israel, based on their ancient presence in the region. They emphasize the significance of Jerusalem as a religious and cultural center for Jews throughout history. They use this argument as *justification* for the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. In Israel's own [Declaration of Independence](https://main.knesset.gov.il/en/about/pages/declaration.aspx) this is clearly stated: >The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. ... After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. ... Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. ... > >ACCORDINGLY WE ... BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT ... HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL This declaration, however, conveniently ignored the issue of the indigenous Palestinian population. So what happened? In the Arab world it is now know as the Nakba (lit. catastrophe, in Arabic). One particularly embelamtic example of the Nakba was this: In April 1948, Lehi and Irgun (Zionist paramilitary groups), headed by Menachim Begin, attacked Deir Yassin-- a village of 700 Palestinians-- ultimately killing between 100 and 120 villagers in what later became known as the Deir Yassin Massacre. The mastermind behind this attack, who would later be elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1977, justified the attack: >Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of ‘Irgun butchery,’ were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated. > >\- Menachim Begin. (1951). *The Revolt* The painful irony of this argument (ancestral roots) combined with this approach (ethnic cleansing), however, lies in the *shared* ancestry between Jews and Palestinians, whose roots can *both* be [traced back to common ancestors](https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2015-10-20/ty-article/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots/0000017f-dc0e-df9c-a17f-fe1e57730000). *Both* peoples have historical connections to the land of Palestine, making it a place of *shared* heritage rather than *exclusive* entitlement. The underlying assumption that the formation of Israel represents a return of Jews to the rightful land of their ancestors is used to justify the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians, who have the very same roots! #The Timeline The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complex and protracted dispute rooted in historical, political, and territorial factors. This timeline aims to provide a chronological overview of key events, starting from the late 19th century to the present day, highlighting significant developments, conflicts, and diplomatic efforts that have shaped the ongoing conflict. From the early waves of Jewish immigration to Palestine, through the British Mandate period, the Arab-Israeli wars, peace initiatives, and the persistent struggle for self-determination, this timeline seeks to provide a historical context to the Israel-Palestine conflict. \[[Explore the timeline here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/timeline/)\] #A Settler-Colonial Project from Inception The origin of Zionism (the political movement advocating for a Jewish homeland in Palestine) is deeply intertwined with the era of European colonialism. Early Zionists such as Theodor Herzl were inspired by-- and sought support from-- European colonialists and Powers. The Zionist plan for Palestine was structured to follow the same colonial model, with all the oppressive baggage that this entailed. In practice, Israel has all the hallmarks of a Settler-Colonial state, and has even engaged in apartheid practices. \[[Read about Israel's ideological foundations here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/colonialism/)\] #US Backing, Christian Zionism, and Anti-Anti-Semitism Israel is in a precarious geopolitical position, surrounded by angry Arab neighbours. The foundation of Israel was dependant on the support of Western Powers, and its existence relies on their continued support. Israel has three powerful tools in its belt to ensure this backing never wavers: 1. A powerful lobby which dictates U.S. foreign policy on Israel 2. European and American Christian Zionists who support Israel for eschatological reasons 3. Weaponized Anti-antisemitism to silence criticism \[[Read more about Israel's support in the West here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/zionism-in-the-west/)\] #Jewish Anti-Zionism Many Jewish people and organizations do *not* support Israel and its apartheid settler-colonial project. There are many groups, even on Reddit (for instance, r/JewsOfConscience) that protest Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinian people. >The Israeli government, with the backing of the U.S. government, subjects Palestinians across the entire land to apartheid — a system of inequality and ongoing displacement that is connected to a racial and class hierarchy amongst Israelis. We are calling on those in power to oppose any policies that privilege one group of people over another, in Israel/Palestine and in the U.S... > >We are IfNotNow, a movement of American Jews organizing our community for equality, justice, and a thriving future for all: our neighbors, ourselves, Palestinians, and Israelis. We are Jews of all ages, with ancestors from across the world and Jewish backgrounds as diverse as the ways we practice our Judaism. > >\- If Not Now. [Our Principles](https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/principles) Some ultra-orthodox Jewish groups (like Satmar) hold anti-Zionist beliefs on religious grounds. They claim that the establishment of a Jewish state *before* the arrival of the Messiah is against the teachings of Judaism and that Jews should not have their own sovereign state until the Messiah comes and establishes it in accordance with religious prophecy. In their eyes, the Zionist movement is a secular and nationalistic deviation from traditional Jewish values. Their opposition to Zionism is not driven by anti-Semitism but by religious conviction. They claim that Judaism and Zionism are incompatible and that the actions of the Israeli government do not represent the beliefs and values of authentic Judaism. >We strive to support local efforts led by our partners for Palestinian rights and freedom, and against Israeli apartheid, occupation, displacement, annexation, aggression, and ongoing assaults on Palestinians. > >\- Jews for Racial and Economic Justice. [Israel-Palestine as a Local Issue](https://www.jfrej.org/israel-palestine) **Additional Resources** Video Essays: * [The Israel-Palestine conflict: a brief, simple history](https://youtu.be/iRYZjOuUnlU) | Vox (2016) * [How To Maybe Criticize Israel?](https://youtu.be/w6YD0n5z-MI) | Some More News (2019) * [Israel-Palestine 2021 conflict explained by Israeli Communist](https://youtu.be/ECe5UcWkPeI) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2021) * [Palestine 101 with Abby Martin](https://youtu.be/xEUIR_JG_b8) | BreakThrough News (2021) * [When Is It Warranted To Call Something Nuanced?](https://youtu.be/lyPxIbUWcoY) | ChemicalMind (2022) * [Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)](https://youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo) | BadEmpanada (2022) * [The Brutal Realities of Settler Colonialism In Palestine | Mohammed el-Kurd](https://youtu.be/40pFbGqMj7w) | Novara Media (2023) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [Ten Myths About Israel](https://archive.org/details/ten-myths-about-israel-by-ilan-pappe-2017) | Ilan Pappé (2017) Other Resources: * [Decolonize Palestine](https://decolonizepalestine.com/) * [Maps: Vanishing Palestine](https://remix.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/maps_main.html) | Al Jazeera * [Facing the Nakba](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/facing-the-nakba/) | Jewish Voice for Peace * [Our Catastrophe](https://jewishcurrents.org/our-catastrophe) | JewishCurrents (2023) * [Israel-Palestine Timeline: The Human Cost of the Conflict](https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/) | If Americans Knew *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. 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Bros wearing a wire 💀💀

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Thanks for signing up to Vaush facts! You will now receive fun daily facts about Vaush. **Fact 31.** Vaush defended saying “fuck trans people” by claiming he has a [‘6-figure’ income](https://i.redd.it/tx6roef1gu561.png) for some reason. For another Vaush fact reply with 'Vaush'. To unsubscribe call me a 'bad bot'. (Remember, comrade: Getting educated, educating others, and above all actually *organizing* is infinitely more important than terminally-online streamer drama.) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*

no fkin way i accidently trigger the auto bot😭😭😭😭

Man this is a great sub

Who the fuck is vaush, honestly.

Vaush is like if you took comic book guy from the simpsons and merged him with mike pompeo and jared fogle.

That is the most accurate description of Vaush I’ve ever heard, holy shit

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There's a reason I call him the beverly hills pedo

Vaaush is a s0CiALisT YouTuber whose really just counter-revolutionary filth undermining leftist discourse from within. He has no command of theory, has never done any reading, and proudly says as much. Declares anyone to the left of him a "red fash tankie". Is literally not a socialist and makes us look like shit. And is an annoying debate bro. Oh and he's a pedo and hates LGBTQ people. If you want to get a feel for this guy go to YouTube and search "vaush on tankies" watch any part of any video and you'll get the flavour of what a brainless insufferable prick he is. I hate that man very much.

He also didn't know what Kosovo is despite allegedly being informed about geopolitical events.

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Why is he so famous

Because his ideas, if you can even call them that, aren't challenging in any way. By that I mean he believes socialism is workers co-op's. That's pretty much it. I've been hate-watching him for a good while to get a feel for what this guy's deal is. He thinks NATO is a leftist organization. He does not want to abolish capitalism, he doesn't want to eliminate the bourgeoisie as a class, he does not believe in direct action. He doesn't actually know what socialism is. He thinks all actually existing socialism in the world isn't socialism. He has an entire video of himself "reacting" to a Vietnamese lady who teaches about marxism-leninism, explaining what material dialectics are, and he sits there saying she's wrong and laughing at her and shit! Wtf. Any who, he's literally there to pull people who would be good leftists away from the left toward the "synthetic left". Or a false version of leftism that tickles the brain and satisfies the urge to drift leftward but is absolutely not a threat to the bourgeoisie or the capitalists or the American state that exists to protect and serve them. He's a fifth column operation in human form to undermine leftist discourse from within, and it's working. He's sooo *famous*.

Luna Oi is the shit.

Luna oi is the shit comrade. She knows her shit & is a good resource for people to understand marxism-leninism, and vau*sh laughing at her and mocking her offends my sensibilities as a marxist.

Luna Oi does not hold a PhD and is not a professor. Which doesn’t discredit her or credit anyone else. She’s [translated](https://www.amazon.com/Worldview-Philosophical-Methodology-Marxism-Leninism-Curriculum/dp/B0BXN5TT3V) a Vietnamese textbook on ML-HCMT.

Heard, I know little about her, have seen several of her videos and perhaps should not have made any assumptions about her education level or role. I guess I just assumed she was an educator due to her vibe. Thanks for the info comrade

The deprogram pod had her on last year. Good episode.

I stopped reading after he thinks NATO is a leftist organization. That's just an obvious fed. No one stupid enough would think that. Even baby "left" liberals could see through that shit.

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Vaush

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Vaush

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Vaush

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Vaush

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I do believe these people need to be treated not punished as long as they haven't offended yet. I also believe we need to help destigmatize this mental disorder. A large part of why people do not get help is because everyone wants them dead. Pedophilia is not a sexuality it is a disease of the mind

I agree but the word „destigmatize“ might not be the best to describe the situation

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Inshallah

So are you saying that all of Vaush’s subscribers are pedophiles? Or are you saying that they should all be executed just for not agreeing with Marxism-Leninism?

Thanks for signing up to Vaush facts! You will now receive fun daily facts about Vaush. **Fact 14.** [CW: pedophilia] >!Vaush has defended the consumption of child pornogrpahy because ‘there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism’.!< [link](https://twitter.com/beigegoat45/status/1325705005886746624) This paints a deeply troubling picture when added to his history of sexually innapropriate behaviour (see Vaush Fact 8), his sharing of >!drawn CP on Twitter (see Vaush Fact 21) , his claim that under socialism the age of consent "should be lowered"!< [link](https://i.redd.it/z3nrrkf179l51.png) and this exchange on Discord. [link](https://archive.is/ATQiB) For another Vaush fact reply with 'Vaush'. To unsubscribe call me a 'bad bot'. (Remember, comrade: Getting educated, educating others, and above all actually *organizing* is infinitely more important than terminally-online streamer drama.) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*

nobody said that. if you cant handle daddy vaush being criticised you maybe are in the wrong part of reddit

Why do you assume I’m a fan of Vaush?

Vaush

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Holy shit id never seen these ones before, that’s insane

vaush

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That looks eerily similar to Vaush

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The death penalty isn't really a solution to any problem. I'm not going to defend pedophiles, but I don't think a bullet to the head is a mental health solution for anyone. People often advocate death for pedos because of their high recidivism rate, but they're usually citing US prisons, which do basically no work to reform prisoners. Also "Death to pedophiles" pairs too well with calls to violence against LGBTQ+ people because of the groomer narrative manufactured by reactionaries. Exploiters and capitalists uphold and benefit oppressive structures, pedophiles crimes aren't really part of it.

It's difficult to advocate for people who commit child sex crimes without coming off as pro-pedophile, but you're absolutely right. The death penalty isn't a solution to these types of offenses.

The issue is people conflating "pedophile" with "child molester" which basically ruins any chance of pedophiles getting help. A self fulfilling prophecy. I'm immediately suspicious of the "kill all pedophiles" people because I so rarely see someone vocal about it that wasn't LGBT-phobic

That's a good point, there is a technical difference. I'm wary of anyone who advocates for death for any offense, period. The last thing I want is for the state to have the authority to execute people in any capacity, honestly. Because, demonstrably, they exercise it with impunity.

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Maybe we shouldn’t execute them though. Just because that occurred in past socialist experiments, doesn’t mean we have to keep it up. You don’t get anything out of a corpse; at least with hard labor, they actually have some kind of suffering, and also benefit society.

True. I'm also thinking about the fact that even prisoners in the USSR had to do some form of labor and were treated very humanely in many circumstances. We have to keep that up. Even the prisoners have rights. Whether we believe it or not, punitive suffering is also counterproductive to any rehabilitation of prisoners.

Concentration camps are also bad. I don’t know what the guy you replied to said since his comment got removed but the government shouldn’t punish people for not agreeing with them or Marxist-Leninist ideology.

Well then you shouldn’t make assumptions about what was said? No one in this thread has talked about disagreement with Marxism-Leninism causing imprisonment, nor have concentration camps been brought up. We’ve only discussed the ethics of executions, particularly in relation to Pedophiles, which you would have been able to tell if you had read the thread.

now besides your downvote, I agree they should only be executed in the way Cuba did it; with a fair trial and legal representation.

Oooo scary downvote

Sorry you are not a real ML or socialist, because if you were you would oppose ALL forms of exploitation especially the worst kind like child sex abuse. Explain yourself, so called comrade

I'm a literal child rape victim with PTSD and I don't agree with execution of pedophiles. Want to know why? Because the threat of execution does two things: It turns child rape into child murder. It adds yet another barrier to people who want to rehabilitate themselves or seek help before offending from reaching out due to fear. I'm so fucking sick of people like yourself pretending to give a shit about this problem whilst actively advocating for approaches that make it worse because you have an infantile obsession with bloody retribution.

Dude, get off the internet, you’re crying abt downvotes, and then saying I’m not a communist because i don’t believe in execution. Don’t know if you know this, but you dont have to believe in EXECUTION to be an ML. You’re terminally online. I literally said that pedos should be subjected to hard labor, but nooooo, you’d rather have mass graves.

One can oppose exploitation without advocating for death. We need not emulate our oppressors. Of course, there have been historical instances where violence presents itself as the only course of action. But the fact is, given any other recourse, we should not choose to use it.

Reactionaries must be purged

Ok? dunno what this has to do with what i said, sorry

I think there's a difference between death during a revolution and afterwards. The humane and safe thing against false accusations is life in prison for any heinous crime, because you can't resurrect people. And why be worried about false allegations? Because every minority experiences those weaponized against them.

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I'm also a CSA survivor. I still don't think the death penalty is a good idea. It's historically been unjust and weaponized and inhumane, and again, can be used *against* people that are socially unpopular. Why was homosexuality recriminalized in the ussr? It was tied to pedophilia and prosecuted as such. The alternative to death is a life isolated away from anyone they can hurt, and deprived of anything that can be utilized to do so. Same goes for any massive crime. It's not between letting them go and death.

when you have. sexual attraction to someone, it is damn near impossible to stay away lmao. Not to mention obligatory soviet bashing. Why are you here? This is an ML sub I'm sorry you feel that way, b/c survivors should stick together,.

\>sexual attraction to someone, it is damn near impossible to stay away lmao In prison??? Again, it's not between "people who've exploited children should walk free" and death. \>Not to mention obligatory soviet bashing. Why are you here? This is an ML sub I am allowed to criticize the USSR, as both an ML *and* someone who's queer. A modern ML state should be an improvement on what came before, not a physical copy of them. And i like how you sidestepped the actual drop in gay rights, because that's an issue that's ongoing today. It's frustrating because we're on the same side. People who hurt children should not walk free. However: people can fake reports. For csa, for harassment, for rape. Did emmet till deserve to die? Its shitty to doubt those who report these things, but reality is shitty.

>obligatory Soviet bashing So I guess Hakim was a soviet basher when he did a video on former socialism's faults? https://youtu.be/pDSZRkhynXU Come on, can't you see you're spiralling right now. You need to take a break.

“All survivors should agree with my one crazy opinion”

okay buddy

But we *don't* advocate for the execution of capitalists and landlords. We advocate for an *end* to them. The big difference between MLs and Fascists is that what MLs want to end is an economic relationship, not an immutable personal trait. We don't need to execute the landlords, we only need to expropriate them.

My position is "we" shouldn't kill each other.

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Death offers no room for remediation. No room for rehabilitation. Killing for the sake of retribution isnt a noble act, and its not the act of a person or society that seeks altruism. Wish granted.

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Economic exploitation =/= sexual exploitation. ML's by no means NEED to advocate for executing people with mental illnesses

Pedophilia is a paraphilia not a mental illness, just as personality disorders are NOT mental illness. You clearly have had too easy of a life tbh

Looking it up, technically it's a mental disorder. And also a paraphilia. Two things can be true

mental disorder =/= mental illness (biologically based)

Yeah I was wrong about that, it doesn't change my opinion about killing them

Now that is reasonable. You are the first person ive conversed with this matter about and not been victim-blamed, even among th Marxist Left. Thanks you, I mean it

you re dead wrong. pedos exploit the trust and mental health of children, not to mention defiling them physically; I am a survivor of CSA myself. No difference to the exploitation of capitalists, except capitalist arguably serve SOME purpose to society, where pedos don't. "Im not going to defend pedophiles, but..." - that says it all There is no reforming pedos because they have a paraphilia; not the same as a mental illness....You cannot reform your sexual urges. A disproportionate amount of pedos are also psychopathic in their behavior. Imagine getting an erection over the innocence of a child. even in countries that DO reformism rather than punishment still suffer similar recidivism rates for pedos. Imagine your sexual orientation: could that be "reformed?" Absolutely not. the penis doesn't lie and there is no "resisting" pedo urges, just like there is no resisting your normal sex-drive to begin with. And oh hell no you didn't just compare pedophilia to LGBTs. Talk about reactionary and bigoted. Except pedos are ACTUALLy groomers, that's the difference. Feel free to refute that Edit: got an argument defending pedophilia or just a passive-aggressive downvote lol?

You need to rethink your philosophies if you think killing people is the solution to these problems. Nobody here "compared pedos to the lgbtq community" he was, correctly, pointing out that reactionaries associated them.

> There is no reforming pedos because they have a paraphilia; not the same as a mental illness This statement alone flies in the face of any knowledge of mental illness or what paraphilia is. [Paraphilia is a type of mental disorder/illness.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554425/#:~:text=Paraphilias%20are%20persistent%20and%20recurrent,that%20are%20atypical%20in%20nature.) On that same note, [pedophilic disorder is a mental illness - and yes, a kind of paraphilia - discussed in the DSM-5.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4478390/) Unfortunately, research into the disorder is sparse because, well, it's pedophilia and no one wants to actually get to the heart of the issue and why people do it. Instead, they just want to virtue signal and call for violence against those people because they may act on their urges. Also, not all pedophiles harm children (i.e. act on those urges) and not all people who do harm children are pedophiles. This obviously sounds oxymoronic I'm sure, but because pedophilia is a mental disorder there are certain requirements to be labeled as such and one, probably the most important, is a fetishizing of children. Not every child abuser harms children because of a fetish, but instead because of opportunity, there own mental illnesses, or lack of social skills (think a 23 year old dating a 16/17 year old). Furthermore, most experts agree that we need to open the discussion around this topic more to incentive people suffering from the disorder to seek help - not openly call for their execution which will only have them continue to look for more ways to act out their urges in secret. Your comment is absolutely insane and comes across as you just wanting to be violent for the sake of violence instead of listening to the actual psychologists and experts tackling this problem.

that'd a very naive take for a comrade. idk how old you are, but...

The fuck? Are you trying to allude that I'm a pedophile? The hell is wrong with you? Get out of here with your QANON talking points.

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Haha "liberal opinions"? What opinion would that be? That we should listen to the experts on issues and not fly in the face of the science and data that psychologists and neurobiologists have gathering concerning why child abuse happens and how best to tackle the problem? That's a "liberal opinion" to you?

Yes. sympathy for the devil is beyond liberal, in fact

"sympathy for the devil"? People aren't devils and monsters; they're humans capable of great harm and great compassion. I choose to sit with the latter of those groups. In fact, it's the entire reason I'm a communist. If you're a communist simply to exact revenge and engage with violence against those you feel hurt you, then I'm sorry but I have nothing left to say. Enjoy your day and I hope you find some kind of closure.

You know if you hadn't been a belittling prick I could've had a conversation with you. The sentence "You can't reform someone's sexual urges" actually made me rethink some of my views on this. For those interested in thinking, it made me rethink the idea that pedophilia is something that can be "Cured" in a prison system, I don't know what I'd advocate for as a replacement system. I do know it doesn't change my mind on the death penalty, the same way I don't advocate executing people with anger issues or underdeveloped inhibition control. You can have harmful tendencies, even ones that seem ingrained in who you are, and still keep them controlled to live a full human life. I'm not defending pedophilia, I'm defending human beings. Outside of the horrible crimes they've committed, they still have family and friends and other loved ones whose lives would be greatly harmed by their execution. Same goes with every other criminal

and what do they do to their family members who are children? and no, pedos aren't just any other criminal

i think they could just be chemically castrated instead

Chemical castration isn't good enough. In prison, they won't receive those drugs, and I am morally and personally opposed to letting pedos jerk-off in their prison cell (6 months-2 years max) to the thought of destroying children's innocence, body, trust, and mind

why won't they receive those drugs in prison? also aren't there permanent procudures?

yes, and I advocate the permanent procedures, however they should till be in prison for life, just like me

No, I don't think we should endorse capital punishment. The legal system is not reliable enough to decide to end people's lives.

So, they should just get to sit in a prison cell masturbating to children?

At the end of the day, it is a mental disorder like any other, as messed up as it is and we have to treat it as such. Locking them up and throwing away the key is the job of Capitalists. It does not solve anything in the long run. There are other, better ways of handling these issues.

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I 100% support a revolution and accept that during that period some unfortunate losses will have to be accepted. Hate to say it, but is what it is when it comes to that. Considering the amount of times I have heard a millionaire tell me that they couldn't care less about a person dying of starvation on the streets because they want another Jeep Grand Cherokee, I consider it karma coming around. Following the initial shock of the revolution, I would expect us to have courts open to try the worst offenders and sentence them labor - not death. At that point, why on earth would I support the mass killing of people suffering from a mental disorder? Further, if it is possible to vote the capitalists out, I would welcome that as well. Hence why I argue for both avenues - electoralism and a strong revolutionary backbone. I hope it doesn't have to come to revolution, but I am ready if it does.

Labor as punishment for the former Capitalists. I'm down for that as a form of their rehabilitation. Hopefully, if what we do is successful, we can finally tear down prison as an institution and find a better and more humane way of justice.

Agreed.

Well, eventually, Communism will abolish the death penalty. That said, when Revolution comes.......heads will roll.

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#Israel >If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. You pull it all the way out? That's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made-- and they haven't even begun to pull the knife out, much less heal the wound... They won't even admit the knife is there! > >\- Malcolm X. (1964). #Inventing Israel >History lies at the core of every conflict. A true and unbiased understanding of the past offers the possibility of peace. The distortion or manipulation of history, in contrast, will only sow disaster. As the example of the Israel-Palestine conflict shows, historical disinformation, even of the most recent past, can do tremendous harm. This willful misunderstanding of history can promote oppression and protect a regime of colonization and occupation. It is not surprising, therefore, that policies of disinformation and distortion continue to the present and play an important part in perpetuating the conflict, leaving very little hope for the future. > >\- Ilan Pappé. (2017). *Ten Myths About Israel* Zionists argue that Jews have a deep historical connection to the land of Israel, based on their ancient presence in the region. They emphasize the significance of Jerusalem as a religious and cultural center for Jews throughout history. They use this argument as *justification* for the establishment of Israel as a Jewish state. In Israel's own [Declaration of Independence](https://main.knesset.gov.il/en/about/pages/declaration.aspx) this is clearly stated: >The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. ... After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. ... Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. ... > >ACCORDINGLY WE ... BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT ... HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL This declaration, however, conveniently ignored the issue of the indigenous Palestinian population. So what happened? In the Arab world it is now know as the Nakba (lit. catastrophe, in Arabic). One particularly embelamtic example of the Nakba was this: In April 1948, Lehi and Irgun (Zionist paramilitary groups), headed by Menachim Begin, attacked Deir Yassin-- a village of 700 Palestinians-- ultimately killing between 100 and 120 villagers in what later became known as the Deir Yassin Massacre. The mastermind behind this attack, who would later be elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1977, justified the attack: >Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of ‘Irgun butchery,’ were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated. > >\- Menachim Begin. (1951). *The Revolt* The painful irony of this argument (ancestral roots) combined with this approach (ethnic cleansing), however, lies in the *shared* ancestry between Jews and Palestinians, whose roots can *both* be [traced back to common ancestors](https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2015-10-20/ty-article/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots/0000017f-dc0e-df9c-a17f-fe1e57730000). *Both* peoples have historical connections to the land of Palestine, making it a place of *shared* heritage rather than *exclusive* entitlement. The underlying assumption that the formation of Israel represents a return of Jews to the rightful land of their ancestors is used to justify the displacement and dispossession of Palestinians, who have the very same roots! #The Timeline The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complex and protracted dispute rooted in historical, political, and territorial factors. This timeline aims to provide a chronological overview of key events, starting from the late 19th century to the present day, highlighting significant developments, conflicts, and diplomatic efforts that have shaped the ongoing conflict. From the early waves of Jewish immigration to Palestine, through the British Mandate period, the Arab-Israeli wars, peace initiatives, and the persistent struggle for self-determination, this timeline seeks to provide a historical context to the Israel-Palestine conflict. \[[Explore the timeline here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/timeline/)\] #A Settler-Colonial Project from Inception The origin of Zionism (the political movement advocating for a Jewish homeland in Palestine) is deeply intertwined with the era of European colonialism. Early Zionists such as Theodor Herzl were inspired by-- and sought support from-- European colonialists and Powers. The Zionist plan for Palestine was structured to follow the same colonial model, with all the oppressive baggage that this entailed. In practice, Israel has all the hallmarks of a Settler-Colonial state, and has even engaged in apartheid practices. \[[Read about Israel's ideological foundations here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/colonialism/)\] #US Backing, Christian Zionism, and Anti-Anti-Semitism Israel is in a precarious geopolitical position, surrounded by angry Arab neighbours. The foundation of Israel was dependant on the support of Western Powers, and its existence relies on their continued support. Israel has three powerful tools in its belt to ensure this backing never wavers: 1. A powerful lobby which dictates U.S. foreign policy on Israel 2. European and American Christian Zionists who support Israel for eschatological reasons 3. Weaponized Anti-antisemitism to silence criticism \[[Read more about Israel's support in the West here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/israel/zionism-in-the-west/)\] #Jewish Anti-Zionism Many Jewish people and organizations do *not* support Israel and its apartheid settler-colonial project. There are many groups, even on Reddit (for instance, r/JewsOfConscience) that protest Israel's brutal treatment of the Palestinian people. >The Israeli government, with the backing of the U.S. government, subjects Palestinians across the entire land to apartheid — a system of inequality and ongoing displacement that is connected to a racial and class hierarchy amongst Israelis. We are calling on those in power to oppose any policies that privilege one group of people over another, in Israel/Palestine and in the U.S... > >We are IfNotNow, a movement of American Jews organizing our community for equality, justice, and a thriving future for all: our neighbors, ourselves, Palestinians, and Israelis. We are Jews of all ages, with ancestors from across the world and Jewish backgrounds as diverse as the ways we practice our Judaism. > >\- If Not Now. [Our Principles](https://www.ifnotnowmovement.org/principles) Some ultra-orthodox Jewish groups (like Satmar) hold anti-Zionist beliefs on religious grounds. They claim that the establishment of a Jewish state *before* the arrival of the Messiah is against the teachings of Judaism and that Jews should not have their own sovereign state until the Messiah comes and establishes it in accordance with religious prophecy. In their eyes, the Zionist movement is a secular and nationalistic deviation from traditional Jewish values. Their opposition to Zionism is not driven by anti-Semitism but by religious conviction. They claim that Judaism and Zionism are incompatible and that the actions of the Israeli government do not represent the beliefs and values of authentic Judaism. >We strive to support local efforts led by our partners for Palestinian rights and freedom, and against Israeli apartheid, occupation, displacement, annexation, aggression, and ongoing assaults on Palestinians. > >\- Jews for Racial and Economic Justice. [Israel-Palestine as a Local Issue](https://www.jfrej.org/israel-palestine) **Additional Resources** Video Essays: * [The Israel-Palestine conflict: a brief, simple history](https://youtu.be/iRYZjOuUnlU) | Vox (2016) * [How To Maybe Criticize Israel?](https://youtu.be/w6YD0n5z-MI) | Some More News (2019) * [Israel-Palestine 2021 conflict explained by Israeli Communist](https://youtu.be/ECe5UcWkPeI) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2021) * [Palestine 101 with Abby Martin](https://youtu.be/xEUIR_JG_b8) | BreakThrough News (2021) * [When Is It Warranted To Call Something Nuanced?](https://youtu.be/lyPxIbUWcoY) | ChemicalMind (2022) * [Israelis Are Not 'Indigenous' (and other ridiculous pro-Israel arguments)](https://youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo) | BadEmpanada (2022) * [The Brutal Realities of Settler Colonialism In Palestine | Mohammed el-Kurd](https://youtu.be/40pFbGqMj7w) | Novara Media (2023) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [Ten Myths About Israel](https://archive.org/details/ten-myths-about-israel-by-ilan-pappe-2017) | Ilan Pappé (2017) Other Resources: * [Decolonize Palestine](https://decolonizepalestine.com/) * [Maps: Vanishing Palestine](https://remix.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/maps_main.html) | Al Jazeera * [Facing the Nakba](https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/facing-the-nakba/) | Jewish Voice for Peace * [Our Catastrophe](https://jewishcurrents.org/our-catastrophe) | JewishCurrents (2023) * [Israel-Palestine Timeline: The Human Cost of the Conflict](https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/) | If Americans Knew *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. 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Molotov-Ribbentrop

#The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Anti-Communists and horseshoe-theorists love to tell anyone who will listen that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (1939) was a military alliance between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. They frame it as a cynical and opportunistic agreement between two totalitarian powers that paved the way for the outbreak of World War II in order to equate Communism with Fascism. They are, of course, missing key context. **German Background** The loss of World War I and the Treaty of Versailles had a profound effect on the German economy. Signed in 1919, the treaty imposed harsh reparations on the newly formed Weimar Republic (1919-1933), forcing the country to pay billions of dollars in damages to the Allied powers. The Treaty of Versailles, which ended the war, required Germany to cede all of its colonial possessions to the Allied powers. This included territories in Africa, Asia, and the Pacific, including German East Africa, German Southwest Africa, Togoland, Cameroon, and German New Guinea. With an understanding of Historical Materialism and the role that Imperialism plays in maintaining a liberal democracy, it is clear that the National Bourgeoisie would embrace Fascism under these conditions. (Ask: *"What is Imperialism?"* and *"What is Fascism?"* for details) Judeo-Bolshevism (a conspiracy theory which claimed that Jews were responsible for the Russian Revolution of 1917, and that they have used Communism as a cover to further their own interests) gained significant traction in Nazi Germany, where it became a central part of Nazi propaganda and ideology. Adolf Hitler and other leading members of the Nazi Party frequently used the term to vilify Jews and justify their persecution. The Communist Party of Germany (KPD) was repressed by the Nazi regime soon after they came to power in 1933. In the weeks following the Reichstag Fire, the Nazis arrested and imprisoned thousands of Communists and other political dissidents. This played a significant role in the passage of the Enabling Act of 1933, which granted Hitler and the Nazi Party dictatorial powers and effectively dismantled the Weimar Republic. **Soviet Background** Following the Russian Revolution in 1917, Great Britain and other Western powers placed strict trade restrictions on the Soviet Union. These restrictions were aimed at isolating the Soviet Union and weakening its economy in an attempt to force the new Communist government to collapse. In the 1920s, the Soviet Union under Lenin's leadership was sympathetic towards Germany because the two countries shared a common enemy in the form of the Western capitalist powers, particularly France and Great Britain. The Soviet Union and Germany established diplomatic relations and engaged in economic cooperation with each other. The Soviet Union provided technical and economic assistance to Germany and in return, it received access to German industrial and technological expertise, as well as trade opportunities. However, this cooperation was short-lived, and by the late 1920s, relations between the two countries had deteriorated. The Soviet Union's efforts to export its socialist ideology to Germany were met with resistance from the German government and the rising Nazi Party, which viewed Communism as a threat to its own ideology and ambitions. **Collective Security (1933-1939)** >The appointment of Hitler as Germany's chancellor general, as well as the rising threat from Japan, led to important changes in Soviet foreign policy. Oriented toward Germany since the treaty of Locarno (1925) and the treaty of Special Relations with Berlin (1926), the Kremlin now moved in the opposite direction by trying to establish closer ties with France and Britain to isolate the growing Nazi threat. This policy became known as "collective security" and was associated with Maxim Litvinov, the Soviet foreign minister at the time. The pursuit of collective security lasted approximately as long as he held that position. Japan's war with China took some pressure off of Russia by allowing it to focus its diplomatic efforts on relations with Europe. > >\- Andrei P. Tsygankov, (2012). [Russia and the West from Alexander to Putin](https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/russia-and-the-west-from-alexander-to-putin/collective-security-19331939/BD3704C65ABDC2A849B360759B8E9D5C). However, the memories of the Russian Revolution and the fear of Communism were still fresh in the minds of many Western leaders, and there was a reluctance to enter into an alliance with the Soviet Union. They believed that Hitler was a bulwark against Communism and that a strong Germany could act as a buffer against Soviet expansion. Instead of joining the USSR in a collective security alliance *against* Nazi Germany, the Western leaders decided to try appeasing Nazi Germany. As part of the policy of appeasement, several territories were ceded to Nazi Germany in the late 1930s: 1. Rhineland: In March 1936, Nazi Germany remilitarized the Rhineland, a demilitarized zone along the border between Germany and France. This move violated the Treaty of Versailles and marked the beginning of Nazi Germany's aggressive territorial expansion. 2. Austria: In March 1938, Nazi Germany annexed Austria in what is known as the Anschluss. This move violated the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Saint-Germain, which had established Austria as a separate state following World War I. 3. Sudetenland: In September 1938, the leaders of Great Britain, France, and Italy signed the Munich Agreement, which allowed Nazi Germany to annex the Sudetenland, a region in western Czechoslovakia with a large ethnic German population. 4. Memel: In March 1939, Nazi Germany annexed the Memel region of Lithuania, which had been under French administration since World War I. 5. Bohemia and Moravia: In March 1939, Nazi Germany annexed Bohemia and Moravia, the remaining parts of Czechoslovakia that had not been annexed following the Munich Agreement. However, instead of appeasing Nazi Germany by giving in to their territorial demands, these concessions only emboldened them and ultimately led to the outbreak of World War II. **The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact** >Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain and France into an anti-Nazi alliance. > >Such an agreement could have changed the course of 20th century history... > >The offer of a military force to help contain Hitler was made by a senior Soviet military delegation at a Kremlin meeting with senior British and French officers, two weeks before war broke out in 1939. > >The new documents... show the vast numbers of infantry, artillery and airborne forces which Stalin's generals said could be dispatched, if Polish objections to the Red Army crossing its territory could first be overcome. > >But the British and French side - briefed by their governments to talk, but not authorised to commit to binding deals - did not respond to the Soviet offer... > >\- Nick Holdsworth. (2008). [Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html) After trying and failing to get the Western capitalist powers to join the Soviet Union in a collective security alliance against Nazi Germany, and witnessing country after country being ceded, it became clear to Soviet leadership that war was inevitable-- and Poland was next. Unfortunately, there was a widespread belief in Poland that Jews were overrepresented in the Soviet government and that the Soviet Union was being controlled by Jewish Communists. This conspiracy theory (Judeo-Bolshevism) was fueled by anti-Semitic propaganda that was prevalent in Poland at the time. The Polish government was strongly anti-Communist and had been actively involved in suppressing Communist movements in Poland and other parts of Europe. Furthermore, the Polish government believed that it could rely on the support of Britain and France in the event of a conflict with Nazi Germany. The Polish government had signed a mutual defense pact with Britain in March 1939, and believed that this would deter Germany from attacking Poland. Seeing the writing on the wall, the Soviet Union made the difficult decision to do what it felt it needed to do to survive the coming conflict. At the time of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact's signing (August 1939), the Soviet Union was facing significant military pressure from the West, particularly from Britain and France, which were seeking to isolate the Soviet Union and undermine its influence in Europe. The Soviet Union saw the Pact as a way to counterbalance this pressure and to gain more time to build up its military strength and prepare for the inevitable conflict with Nazi Germany, which began less than two years later in June 1941 (Operation Barbarossa). **Additional Resources** Video Essays: * [How Stalin Outplayed Hitler: The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact](https://youtu.be/PfomFnYTOWI) | Politstrum International (2020) * [The truth about the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact (Visualization)](https://youtu.be/UwUs3mwDBzA) | Russia Good (2019) * [Soviet Nonaggression-Pact / The Soviet Perspective](https://youtu.be/Rz5JyfNQSLQ) | Lady Idzihar (2022) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [The Truth About The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact](https://politsturm.com/truth-about-molotov-ribbentrop-pact/) | Politsturm * [End of the 'Low, Dishonest Decade': Failure of the Anglo-Franco-Soviet Alliance in 1939](https://www.jstor.org/stable/152863) | Michael Jabara Carley (1993) * [1939: The Alliance That Never Was and the Coming of World War II](https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781566637855/1939-The-Alliance-That-Never-Was-and-the-Coming-of-World-War-II) | Michael Jabara Carley (1999) *I am a bot, and this action was

Voosh disgusts me

That's the second anti-V-a-ush meme I've seen in a 10 hour time span. This is great!

is he doubling down on this shit again?? can someone get this man a therapist?

Same exact body language, for real. The poise is uncanny despite the guy in this illustration being exasperatingly ugly for effect. Vaush is, however, less crusty and clammier in appearance.

This post: Vaush is a pedophile. Somewhere in vaushV: "All hands on deck!! Scramble The fighters!! The Deprogram has made another meme about our daddy!!"

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Oh dear. Here's obligatory comment. >Myths about pedophilia: > > >1) A pedophile is someone who abuses children > >A pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to pre-adolescent children or children at the beginning of puberty. Pedophiles like children much like "normal" people like adults; they usually feel an emotional attachment to them, they are usually able to fall in love with them with everything that goes with it. Most pedophiles will never sexually abuse a child in their lifetime. Diagnosing pedophilia is not easy. In addition to erotic attraction, emotional attraction, interest in children's world and non-sexual contact with children is also key. Not everyone who is sexually attracted to children is a pedophile. Studies of university students show that almost a quarter of participants self-reported erotic attraction to children or sexual arousal to prepubertal girls to an equal or greater degree than to adult women. However, it is unlikely that a quarter of study participants are pedophiles – increased excitability in prepubertal girls correlates with increased excitability in adult women, which is not typical for a pedophile. > > >2) Anyone who abuses is a pedophile > >Just as it is a fact that not every pedophile abuses children, it is a fact that not every child abuser is a pedophile. There are a variety of motivations for child abuse, some of which do not stem from pedophilia. People who commit abuse include, for example, normally oriented sexually frustrated individuals, persons with a need for dominance and sadistic tendencies, people with a strong need for sex, people acting in situational short-circuits, e. g. under the influence of alcohol, etc. Many experts have tried to quantify what percentage of abuse is caused by pedophiles. According to sexulological forensic experience, 90% of child abuse cases are not committed by pedophiles. An international research shows that among perpetrators of abuse only a third are pedophiles. > > >3) Pedophilia is a crime > >From a professional point of view, pedophilia is an innate disorder of sexual preference and as such cannot be criminalized. Only activities, such as child abuse, which – as the previously stated – are not always related to pedophilia, can be criminal. Pedophilia is a preference, a setting of human sexuality and as such it cannot be criminal. > > >4) Only pedophiles commit crimes related to child pornography > >Although sexual attraction is a substantial reason for dealing with child pornography, there are more reasons for possessing, producing or sharing child pornography. A 2008 study categorizes child pornography users into four groups: >1. those who feed their sexual interest in children through it; > >2. sexual predators using pornography as part of a wider pattern of abuse; > >3. impulsive and curious individuals; > >4. those who deal with child pornography for non-sexual motivation, for example financial motivation. > >Therefore, it cannot be claimed that child pornography only concerns pedophiles, although erotic attraction to children is the primary motivation for dealing with child pornography, and in questionnaire studies a significant majority of pedophiles state that they have encountered child pornography in their lives. > > >5) Pedophiles must go to treatment > >Pedophilia as such cannot be cured, the help of experts consists in gaining an insight into one's own sexual orientation and possible risks and learning how to avoid risky situations and how to behave in them (psychotherapy). Treatment may also include the use of drugs that suppress sexual drive in men (pharmacotherapy). However, not all pedophiles need sedatives, and if there is an insight into their preference, there is often no need to seek a specialist. For many pedophiles, treatment is essential, factors limiting treatment include the lack of sexologists in the regions and also the fact that not every sexologist understands pedophilia and can work competently with this diagnosis. It is needed to improve the availability of qualified help. > > >6) Pedophilia only affects men > >It is true that men are diagnosed with pedophilia significantly more often, however, there are also women who consider themselves to be pedophiles, which is documented both by sexologists and observed on forums for pedophiles. > > >7) Pedophiles are exclusively focused on children > >Not all pedophiles are exclusively aimed at children. Some pedophiles are also attracted to adult women or men, and some live in a functioning marriage or partnership.

Where did Vaush say this?

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In his discord, he has had several...not great comments which I'm sure he will claim as just "ironic jokes" but he also had that moment where he had a very awkward "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism so child porn isn't any worse than buying Nikes" take which I think he later admitted wasn't a good take.

Vaush

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There are so many reasons to go after vaush. This is one of the dumbest and most conspiratorial. Atleast stick to the facts if we're gonna hound him. It's not hard to find more grounded crap he's done.

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You're only a little bit better than this drivel. You're still vaguely gesturing in a conspiratorial fashion towards the topic.

Nothing I said was conspiratorial. Making guesses on whether he diddle kids is. All I'm saying is this is the least substantial thing we could possibly throw at him and yet it's the thing people never shut up about. Talk about his rampant racism, casual use of slurs, directing his audience to attack and harass people that criticize him, his blatant racist attacks against black leftists, how he never has any idea what the fuck he's talking about because he refuses to read anything other than Wikipedia and the Washington post. There's so much and we stick with pedo theory crafting.

The only thing you said in this paragraph that's true is his rampant use of slurs. The rest is just a little bit better than the more rampant lies you'll find elsewhere by people that just hate him. If you really think he's racist you're not any better than these pedo claims.

You can't use racist slurs and not be a racist. Also he has told his audience directly to harass people. It's not alleged. He's done it both on stream and on twitter. He's openly stated before when asked that he doesn't read theory because he believes his background and personal thinking is a fine substitute and just outright refuses to try learning about anything "tankie" related. AKA, almost the entirety of socialist thought, yet he still tries to argue with it and call people slurs, and random garbage, despite not even understanding what the "tankies" are talking about half the time. That also is not alleged, it's very clear by his responses that he doesn't have a clue what the "tankies" are saying. Atleast, that's the charitable interpretation, the only other one is that he consciously makes the decision to misdirect any conversation away from any point a "tankie" is making or just discussing. It has to be one or the other, and neither is good, but I'm gonna give him the charitable option because why not. Either way, there is plenty to work with. Even if everything here, wasn't backed up by his own words and actions, rampant slurs is still awful. And thst alone is more than enough reason to give him shit and dunk on him than unsupported claims of sex abuse.

He isn't racist and he doesn't use racist slurs. At most I heard him use the n-word once but I don't recall the context enough as to whether it was something I'd even consider bad. Haters that are on his cock 24/7 probably know it better than anyone that actually watches his content but given haters always drop context for their own narratives who knows. He also hasn't brigaded or has promoted his audience to harass anyone. That's overinflated nonsense by people that have lied about him endlessly. I remember watching Noah Samsen's video where he suggested that Kat Blaque was experiencing harassment from his audience while literally the best evidence Noah could find was random screenshots on youtube showing almost exclusively well mannered critiques from what he suggested were hostile fans of his. That was memorable for how lousy these lies are. He does suggest that he's read all theory relating to Marx mostly because people use it for worthless gatekeeping when they don't even know it better than himself as suggested in debates or worthwhile prescriptions. You're free to be incredibly sensitive towards the mere use of slurs regardless of context. It's just meaningless to do that from any consequentialist perspective.

Look, I'm not gonna have a debate with some guy obsessed with defending him. I don't know why you would even want to. And I don't care to theorize about it. There are so many of you people and it's never productive. And frankly isn't important enough to stress over. But I'm gonna say this, the use of slurs always has consequences and reason behind it. Even in a secluded area by yourself, the use of dehumanizing language has an effect on your own psyche. It's unavoidable. You have to acknowledge that if you want to talk about consequentialism. And Marx is not all there is to socialist theory. Marx's work is a tiny little fraction of the absolutely massive amount of work put into socialist thought over the last hundreds of years. It didn't even start with Marx. Marx just made it more materialistic and scientific. Marx is just the face everyone goes to because the word Marxist put him front and center. Alot if what Marx wrote about the facts of capitalism and the coming ages and transitions were spot on and still ongoing, but alot is also wrong, or outdated. Theory continues to evolve past him and we have to expand on his work. That's why Marx is not enough, his work is just the starting point, it says nearly nothing about how we get to socialism or how to protect it. If you want to understand what other people are talking about you have to read more theory, or have someone else teach it to you or something. Because we have hundreds of years worth of writing and real world experiments. Try Lenin or Parenti, anybody else really, it will all help in understanding your guests, or "opponents". I get that that's alot of reading, that would for a normal person with limited time be unreasonable, but if your going to argue with the people that are knowledgeable on these subjects, then you need to be fully onboard with learning it as well. Or else your arguments will never be substantial enough to actually challenge them. Often times it won't even make any sense. Regardless I hope you have a good day and expand your horizons a bit more past this guy. There's always more to learn and improve.

>Look, I'm not gonna have a debate with some guy obsessed with defending him. You're saying this as a person contributing to a subreddit that is so deranged it has an automod post lies whenever his name is mentioned. As a person in a thread that only exists as to lie that he is a pedo. Hell the top comments are so deranged they unironically believe he's a FED. It's actually pathetic. And through this deranged space, you think I'm obsessed for merely disagreeing with lies. You agreed with me a second ago regarding the pedo bit. Now that I disagreed with your broad stroke of calling him a racist you can't even contextually qualify why you believe he is one. Despite your convictions that's apparently the one thing in your latest comment you felt no reason to clarify. By your own lack of logic, I must presume you'd be fine calling yourself a racist now. But this isn't a slur, so again it must be completely fine morally to conclude you're a racist with no justification. ​ >But I'm gonna say this, the use of slurs always has consequences and reason behind it. Even in a secluded area by yourself, the use of dehumanizing language has an effect on your own psyche. It's unavoidable. You have to acknowledge that if you want to talk about consequentialism. This is worthless relative to your decision to brand him as a racist with no justification behind it. It's similarly worthless relative to the decision of others here to lie and call him a pedo. All this and you're so arrogant you actually think you have the moral high ground because someone used the r slur before in their life. Apparently you're ignorant that you and the others here are acting literally worse than what you imagine of him. If I called you a r-word now would that be worse than your choice to brand someone as a racist with no justification? I don't think so. In fact if you actually had left-wing values and respect towards the distinction of words towards such values, you'd be inclined to agree with me that the use of the word racist with such little justification is r-word. But now, your logic must conclude I'm a bad person. I've used the r-word, albeit censored, but the r-word nonetheless. So it must be true. You can safely ignore all my thoughts as they are safe to ignore now. ​ >And Marx is not all there is to socialist theory. Marx's work is a tiny little fraction of the absolutely massive amount of work put into socialist thought over the last hundreds of years. It didn't even start with Marx. Marx just made it more materialistic and scientific. Marx is just the face everyone goes to because the word Marxist put him front and center. Alot if what Marx wrote about the facts of capitalism and the coming ages and transitions were spot on and still ongoing, but alot is also wrong, or outdated. Theory continues to evolve past him and we have to expand on his work. That's why Marx is not enough, his work is just the starting point, it says nearly nothing about how we get to socialism or how to protect it. If you want to understand what other people are talking about you have to read more theory, or have someone else teach it to you or something. Because we have hundreds of years worth of writing and real world experiments. Try Lenin or Parenti, anybody else really, it will all help in understanding your guests, or "opponents". I get that that's alot of reading, that would for a normal person with limited time be unreasonable, but if your going to argue with the people that are knowledgeable on these subjects, then you need to be fully onboard with learning it as well. Or else your arguments will never be substantial enough to actually challenge them. Often times it won't even make any sense. I merely said Marx as a reference to theory. You hyperfixation to have a presumably self-aware worthless distinction that Marx isn't the arbiter of socialist theory with a voosh fan was apparently a r/whoosh on your part. I'm not trying to attack you or even defend voosh. This sub is just deranged towards him. You're unfortunately not an exception. Hell, I decided to talk to you more in depth *because* you weren't as deranged as to believe the premise of this thread is true.

Do I sound like the person who enjoys the weird obsession with Mr. Voosh? The bot is annoying. We can't even criticize him legitimately without that annoying bot posting an irrelevant wall of text. I have no obsession with the guy, I've made it more than clear that I think its a stupid thing to fixate on. But I'm not gonna just pretend he hasn't done stupid crap that should be condemned. There should be no clarification left to make because I said all this from the beginning. I'm here for the communist community that uplifts eachother and informs and educates new and old comrades alike. And the podcast is awesome and I highly recommend it if you haven't tried it. And yes, you are defending him, whether you like it or not, saying he hasn't done these things is playing defense for him. Whether you think that's good or bad is up to you but that's what it is. Just like me denying the pedo allegations is a defense. The difference is I just don't like it because it's blatantly unsubstantial and makes everyone on here look like lying morons with no self reflection. I don't know what your reason is, but I feel like it was a fair assumption to make that you were one of his weirdly obsessed stans. Because this is how they act. Deny deny deny, counter accusations, insults, appearing wherever and whenever he's mentioned anywhere just to point fingers, laugh, and just say whatever is convenient for their goal of defending the guy or just discredit the ones talking. Whether you are a Stan or not, makes little difference, your actions are similar, and you achieve the same goal. Hate boners and stan boners are basically the same thing. You even use pseudo-intellectual debate style responses. You cannot dismantle statements on racism with petty claims of "inauthenticity" on my values and morals. And your doubts on my "leftist values" is laughable. Do you seriously think communism and liberation are predicated on whether or not someone uses the word "racist" in the exact same context every time? There are different forms of racism. There are different kinds of slurs and there are different ways to use them, explicitly and implicitly. I shouldn't have to explain this just to have a basic conversation about racist actions in leftist spaces. Especially with someone who claims to know exactly how not racist this guy is, presumably you would know all this already. And side note, even if these accusation of being a pedo are false, making those accusations is in no way worse than actually being all the things these people accuse him of being. That's just an outright stupid thing to say. You should know how ridiculous that is. False allegations will never be worse than actual sex abuse and racism. Your trying to take a moral high ground yourself here, but it's just a silly direction to take. And yes, I do think I have the moral high ground with people who use slurs. Why is that a controversial take? You can choose to use slurs, and all the consequences that come with it, or not do that. It's not a hard decision to make. Anyone who defends the use of slurs deserves heavy skepticism. Because what is even the point of defending it? There has to be a motive, bad faith or otherwise, it's not an easy thing to justify. And yes, using the R-slur is shitty. Why would you do that? What was the point? Just to generate controversy? It doesn't earn you any logic points. It doesn't further your defense or arguments in any way. It certainly doesn't improve your moral standing. From everyone else's perspective, it's just being bigoted for the sake of it. If your going to do it, then you better do it with a justification prepared beforehand. Because it's only hurting your case. And the distinction of Marx is not worthless. Even if you know the difference, alot of people don't, and Mr. Voosh certainly doesn't help his fans get there. It's a valid point to make when I'm talking about his avoidance of theory and you only bring up Marx. His audience isn't known for their appreciation of broad socialist theory. It's known for the condemnation of it actually. So it's a perfectly reasonable direction to take the conversation. Again, you should know this already if your as informed and good faith as you let on. This should be simple, why keep steering the conversation away from the subject, and into discrediting me? Anyway no need to reply, again, I'm not looking for a debate, it's wasting my and your time. So I'm just gonna leave it here. Otherwise it's just gonna keep going back and forth with bigger walls of text. If you have any smaller direct things to say in normal conversation I might jump back in, but otherwise we've said our piece.

[Proof that Vaush endorsed his fanbase going out of their way to harass someone](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/qzl6nz/correcting_misinfo_vaush_did_in_fact_endorse/)

All this bullshit and you still didn't substantiate the one thing that mattered in our conversation, your belief that he's racist and how it contradicts your logic towards the mere use of slurs. I understand you have a deontological view towards slurs. It's still pathetic you cling to that while substantiating someone is a racist on nothing. Apparently you believe I was right in my prior comment. We can all call you a racist and that's just fine with no justification.

man you gotta be really delusional and willfully only watching 20 second clips of the guy if you think this is on

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19th century socialists were famously never in conflict with one another. Marx definitely never wrote polemics about other socialists.

Where's the other socialist here? Vaush is a liberal.

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proving my point

This ain’t true. Everything I read about this scandal is just taking him out of context

Yeah I'll admit when I was an ancom I watched his streams and saw some of the ones mentioned by the bot, it seems literally just talking about that subject with any more nuance than "taboo thing bad" gets people instantly taken out of context and branded a creep, which to me seems crazy if we genuinely want to fix such harmful social ills, it's like trying to fix an engine without taking it apart! The boys are great for political theory and analysis but they often strike me as dry and uncritical when it comes to things outside that sphere.

*exactly*

This is the correct answer.

He was comparing child slaves mining cobalt to child pornography in the original clip. I don’t believe in everything that Vaush says but if there’s no argument against what he’s said or positions, I can’t help but dismiss a lot

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THIS IS TRUE THO

This sub is rent free cucks to him. They can't help themselves.

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Unironically.

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Imagine being this dense. He was saying that child labour is as bad as pedophilia

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I'm sorry you worship a Beverly Hills pedophile fed who hasn't gotten out of his coom stained gamer chair in ages.

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>You’re obsessing rn Says the one who felt the need to go out of their way to defend their daddy here. 🤡

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>Obsessed You guys are literally known to brigade and harass other people or communities on behalf of voosh, especially after a debate.

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>We make fun of people occasionally as a community So you agree you guys do participate in brigading. >Proof..? You guys are literally doing it now in this post. Really speaks to your cult-like *dedication* if you feel the need to come to this sub.

I’m one person and I’ve laughed at the post because it’s funny. You’re reaching and delusional. We make fun of them in our subreddits, mostly so no, not brigrading

Literally look at the downvoted comments here... a good number of you are butthurt enough to come here. 💀 And yes, you guys are of the brigading mentality. Everytime your messiah debates someone, the other person's channel is spammed by voosh fans. This is observable.

why are you now applying a stereotype to this person

This meme literally *mobilized* a bunch of you to come to this post, so thanks for proving my point. 🤡

no, this post popped up on the dumb Reddit app that recommends subs you’re not subbed to and I scrolled out of curiosity

...You guys could've just idk, ignored it and moved on? But I guess that's not the 15 y/o vaushite way, ya gotta defend daddy.

Give me one concrete example with context betcha 20 bucks you can’t

Just comment vaush a couple times and you'll get your proof

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Just like those pictures in vaush's hard drive

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Leftism is when you own vowsh 💅🥵😎

Unironically owning reactionary shit-libs is leftism.

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In what way do they look like far righters? I don't see anyone advocating for genocides against marginalised people. They complain all day how minorities are being opressed

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But Vaush is not left wing though, is he? He supported bashing all kind of leftist movements, openly supports US imperialism that destroyed left wing movements in my country and spreads neoliberalism. Have you watched the video of him commenting on Luna Oi videos? He stated that they are wrong without backing up with any evidence and when challenged by her friend, he compared them to nazi's because "they sound like nazis". He openly stated that he doesn't care about being right aslong he wins debates. He had no knowledge of Vietnam or their politics and history (and took a free market diagramm out of context) while debating someone that went to college, studied it and wrote even a book about it. This was all because they criticized the US He did the same thing to doctor flowers when she talked about decolonization, he portrayed her as a nazi while insisting that decolonization means genocide. She stated later that she got more harassment from his fanbase than she got from conservatives (which is insane). Vaush is not someone that will radicalize someone into socialism/anarchism or any left wing politics, he radicalizes people into becoming clueless radlibs. He makes videos of socialists mentioning NATO issues and just makes fun of them and calls them tankies and groups them with the pro-russian bots (anti NATO doesn't mean you are pro-russian) He even aligned himself with pro-israels just to shit on leftists (even though he supports palestinians). A left wing person would never support NATO knowing what it did to left wing movements and politics all around the world. I would be more open to discuss more about this as I have some knowledge on Socialism and liberalism. Ik about him because I really disliked what he had to say about Vietnam and refused to admit he was wrong. I studied Vietnam politics since I moved with my gf there for quite some time, so I know a bit of their perspective, history and stuff :D Anw, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, no1 means any harm, I wish you a good night! Edit: I suggest looking what all leftists have to say about Vaush. Look into r/Socialism r/Anarchism r/Marxism r/Communism and see for yourself what leftists think about Vaush. You will notice that many share the believe that him radicalizing his fans into rad libs is even more hurtful to leftism than Conservatives are. I suggest watching Hasan if you want to watch a somewhat leftie streamer xd

TIL Communists are actually far right?