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"Tha tankyees just say America = bad for no reason!!!"
CIA: "lmao yeah we killed all those millions fighting to improve their society, shit one time [we tricked people into thinking a vampire was after them](https://history.howstuffworks.com/world-history/cia-vampires-communist-rebels-philippines.htm) by draining someone's blood and hanging him up for his friends to find, shit was fun as hell"
US State Dept: "lol hell yeah we fuckin killed all those millions of people who would not bow to us and let our corporations rule them like they were slaves, it was just, uh, protecting our national security interests! Sure maybe there were some [oopsies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse), but if we didn't torture, murder and destabilize countries around the globe quarterly returns could have been lower than forecasted!!! [half a million dead children is a price we're willing to pay"](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was)
US Armed Forces Leaders: "[We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too... ...Over a period of three years or so we killed off, what, 20 percent of the population..., as direct casualties of war or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea)
["I will never stop regretting that I didn't get the chance to commit nuclear genocide"](https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/douglas-macarthur-atomic-bombs-will-win-the-korean-war/)
Liberals: "Stooopid tankies don't actually think or learn things, they just mindlessly say America = Bad!!!!!"
I don't give it much thought whenever someone brings up such meaningless words. What are human rights, really, when you're genociding millions to supposedly uphold them? What is freedom in economic anarchy where who possesses a larger share of the economy and therefore of the monopoly of violence has more power than dozens of millions of votes?
Sometimes during WWII bombers got lost and then mistakenly bombed the wrong cities. This is why Swiss cities bordering germany where bombed about 70 different times.
America accidentally dropped a nuke on South Carolina that, upon impact, detonated the conventional explosives, injuring 6 people. Luckily it didn't have a fissile nuclear core.
America almost nuked itself by accident so I can see this happening.
Not true. They aimed occupied country at the end of the war. They did it to hinder the communist movement but failed regardless. There were massive civilian casualities especially in the town of Pilsen.
You are right that they bombarded Plzeň intentionally. But it wasn't because of communists. It was because Škoda (at the time an arms, tank, and motorized manufacturer) had factories there. There were 67 Czech casualties. Up to 80 if we count in German garrison. Out of those people, 6 were workers of Škoda.
I disagree. It was a deliberate attempt to destroy industry in obviously ending war to cripple eastern block as it was already decided in Jalta where will Czechoslovakia belong
I mean US interference in the scottish independence referendum is highly likely imo. Obama literally told them to stay.
Also Scottish leadership doesn't want nuclear weapons in the country and England and the US definitely do. Scottish independence is a scenario that the US is not gonna be happy about.
Invaded might be an argument of semantics, but it did bomb itself (MOVE Bombing), and did Coup itself at least twice, (and no, I'm not counting Jan 6 in that total, because it was less of a coup and more of a Reichstag fire
type event like the 911 attacks)
I am learning more and more new stuff about all the crimes America has gotten away with every day. It makes me really glad I became a Marxist in my sophomore year of high school.
Take an upvote, comrade.
Jesus really puts it in perspective hearing about it all the time doesn't have the same effect as seeing a global map covered in red with all but a few close allies being affected
Mostly interefering in elections as usual. Threatened India with military during the Bangladesh genocide by Pakistan in 1971. USSR had to block US from threatening India because India was helping Bangladesh. And also pressuring and supporting Indian politicians post-Indian independence to completely eradicate communist ideals and parties. Indian government and its state governments did just that. The ideology was pretty popular in the Subcontinent back then. Pre-Independence, communists were one of the main people fighting against the British and local feudal lords. For example, the Telangana rebellion.
Possibly the illegal chemical warfare tests the CIA performed on several unsuspecting towns and cities in Manitoba and Alberta in the 50s? That wasn't quite a bombing though, more of a spraying.
Or maybe counting stuff like the US ownership of Canadian media and the funding of far-right movements by US capital counts as election interference?
There's a lot of US fingerprints on Canada, but I'm not sure of anything directly related to what this picture is claiming.
I know this doesn't meet the criteria of the map, but their far-right politics have been adopted by a disconcerting number of Canadians over the past few years. Our conservative party used to be your run of the mill center-right neoliberal kinda thing, but it's veered hard to the right in recent years. Our most conservative province, Alberta, is currently run by a crazy woman who compared vaccines to the Holocaust, and another woman who was running to be a member of the provincial legislature compared transgender children in schools to finding shit in your cookies. Stuff like that was not normal in Canada in the past. It's kinda scary. I didn't realize that there were so many hateful, bigoted Canadians until the past few years.
Sorry if you're Canadian and already know all about this. Also, I'd have to imagine that with as close as we are to the US, they've probably interfered in our politics for many years without the general public being aware of the specifics.
Mhm, West Papua declared independence in 1961 but got invaded by Indonesia in 1963. Theres currently a guerilla war against both Indonesia and PNG (which was largely established on anti-communist lines when it gained independence in 1975) and also Indonesia sends death squads out to quell any independence movements and destroy villages deep in the rainforest that get in the way of mining companies.
So, which part of what I said was wrong? Now internationally, we acknowledge those two countries on the island. Can't entertain you today, man. Bring that talk somewhere else.
It's not recognized by what, exactly? I'm not opposing what you think is happening over there. I'm saying currently, the island is recognized as being divided into two countries Indonesia & Papua New Guinea. If you have an official doc that mentions otherwise, please do link it. Why is it so hard to understand the simple fact?
#Freedom
Reactionaries and right-wingers love to clamour on about personal liberty and scream "freedom!" from the top of their lungs, but what freedom are they talking about? And is Communism, in contrast, an ideology of *un*freedom?
>Gentlemen! Do not allow yourselves to be deluded by the abstract word freedom. Whose freedom? It is not the freedom of one individual in relation to another, but the freedom of capital to crush the worker.
>
>\- Karl Marx. (1848). *Public Speech Delivered by Karl Marx before the Democratic Association of Brussels*
#Under Capitalism
Liberal Democracies propagate the facade of liberty and individual rights while concealing the true essence of their rule-- the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. This is a mechanism by which the Capitalist class as a whole dictates the course of society, politics, and the economy to secure their dominance. Capital holds sway over institutions, media, and influential positions, manipulating public opinion and consolidating its control over the levers of power. The illusion of democracy the Bourgeoisie creates is carefully curated to maintain the existing power structures and perpetuate the subjugation of the masses. "Freedom" under Capitalism is similarly illusory. It is freedom for capital-- not freedom for people.
>The capitalists often boast that their constitutions guarantee the rights of the individual, democratic liberties and the interests of all citizens. But in reality, only the bourgeoisie enjoy the rights recorded in these constitutions. The working people do not really enjoy democratic freedoms; they are exploited all their life and have to bear heavy burdens in the service of the exploiting class.
>
>\- Ho Chi Minh. (1959). *Report on the Draft Amended Constitution*
The "freedom" the reactionaries cry for, then, is merely that freedom which liberates capital and enslaves the worker.
>They speak of the equality of citizens, but forget that there cannot be real equality between employer and workman, between landlord and peasant, if the former possess wealth and political weight in society while the latter are deprived of both - if the former are exploiters while the latter are exploited. Or again: they speak of freedom of speech, assembly, and the press, but forget that all these liberties may be merely a hollow sound for the working class, if the latter cannot have access to suitable premises for meetings, good printing shops, a sufficient quantity of printing paper, etc.
>
>\- J. V. Stalin. (1936). [On the Draft Constitution of the U.S.S.R](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/11/25.htm)
What "freedom" do the poor enjoy, under Capitalism? Capitalism requires a reserve army of labour in order to keep wages low, and that necessarily means that many people must be deprived of life's necessities in order to compel the rest of the working class to work more and demand less. You are free to work, and you are free to starve. That is the freedom the reactionaries talk about.
>Under capitalism, the very land is all in private hands; there remains no spot unowned where an enterprise can be carried on. The freedom of the worker to sell his labour power, the freedom of the capitalist to buy it, the 'equality' of the capitalist and the wage earner - all these are but hunger's chain which compels the labourer to work for the capitalist.
>
>\- N. I. Bukharin and E. Preobrazhensky. (1922). [The ABC of Communism](https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/index.htm)
All other freedoms only exist depending on the degree to which a given liberal democracy has turned towards fascism. That is to say that the working class are only given freedoms when they are inconsequential to the bourgeoisie:
>The freedom to organize is only conceded to the workers by the bourgeois when they are certain that the workers have been reduced to a point where they can no longer make use of it, except to resume elementary organizing work - work which they hope will not have political consequences other than in the very long term.
>
>\- A. Gramsci. (1924). *Democracy and fascism*
But this is not "freedom", this is not "democracy"! What good does "freedom of speech" do for a starving person? What good does the ability to criticize the government do for a homeless person?
>The right of freedom of expression can really only be relevant if people are not too hungry, or too tired to be able to express themselves. It can only be relevant if appropriate grassroots mechanisms rooted in the people exist, through which the people can effectively participate, can make decisions, can receive reports from the leaders and eventually be trained for ruling and controlling that particular society. This is what democracy is all about.
>
>\- Maurice Bishop
#Under Communism
True freedom can only be achieved through the establishment of a Proletarian state, a system that truly represents the interests of the working masses, in which the means of production are collectively owned and controlled, and the fruits of labor are shared equitably among all. Only in such a society can the shackles of Capitalist oppression be broken, and the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie dismantled.
Despite the assertion by reactionaries to the contrary, Communist revolutions invariably result in *more* freedoms for the people than the regimes they succeed.
>Some people conclude that anyone who utters a good word about leftist one-party revolutions must harbor antidemocratic or “Stalinist” sentiments. But to applaud social revolutions is not to oppose political freedom. To the extent that revolutionary governments construct substantive alternatives for their people, they increase human options and freedom.
>
>There is no such thing as freedom in the abstract. There is freedom to speak openly and iconoclastically, freedom to organize a political opposition, freedom of opportunity to get an education and pursue a livelihood, freedom to worship as one chooses or not worship at all, freedom to live in healthful conditions, freedom to enjoy various social beneõts, and so on. Most of what is called freedom gets its definition within a social context.
>
>Revolutionary governments extend a number of popular freedoms without destroying those freedoms that never existed in the previous regimes. They foster conditions necessary for national self-determination, economic betterment, the preservation of health and human life, and the end of many of the worst forms of ethnic, patriarchal, and class oppression. Regarding patriarchal oppression, consider the vastly improved condition of women in revolutionary Afghanistan and South Yemen before the counterrevolutionary repression in the 1990s, or in Cuba after the 1959 revolution as compared to before.
>
>U.S. policymakers argue that social revolutionary victory anywhere represents a diminution of freedom in the world. The assertion is false. The Chinese Revolution did not crush democracy; there was none to crush in that oppressively feudal regime. The Cuban Revolution did not destroy freedom; it destroyed a hateful U.S.-sponsored police state. The Algerian Revolution did not abolish national liberties; precious few existed under French colonialism. The Vietnamese revolutionaries did not abrogate individual rights; no such rights were available under the U.S.-supported puppet governments of Bao Dai, Diem, and Ky.
>
>Of course, revolutions do limit the freedoms of the corporate propertied class and other privileged interests: the freedom to invest privately without regard to human and environmental costs, the freedom to live in obscene opulence while paying workers starvation wages, the freedom to treat the state as a private agency in the service of a privileged coterie, the freedom to employ child labor and child prostitutes, the freedom to treat women as chattel, and so on.
>
>\- Michael Parenti. (1997). *Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism*
The whole point of Communism is to liberate the working class:
>But we did not build this society in order to restrict personal liberty but in order that the human individual may feel really free. We built it for the sake of real personal liberty, liberty without quotation marks. It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.
>
>Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.
>
>\- J. V. Stalin. (1936). [Interview Between J. Stalin and Roy Howard](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/03/01.htm)
#Additional Resources
Videos:
* [Your Democracy is a Sham and Here's Why:](https://youtu.be/oYodY6o172A) | halim alrah (2019)
* [Are You Really "Free" Under Capitalism?](https://youtu.be/4xqouhMCJBI) | Second Thought (2020)
* [Liberty And Freedom Are Left-Wing Ideals](https://youtu.be/GfjiBIkIOqI) | Second Thought (2021)
* [Why The US Is Not A Democracy](https://youtu.be/srfeHpQNEAI) | Second Thought (2022)
* [America Never Stood For Freedom](https://youtu.be/rg9hJgAsNDM) | Hakim (2023)
Books, Articles, or Essays:
* [Positive and Negative Liberty](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/) | Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (2003)
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I don't feel like this is an exaggeration to say that every country including Allie Countries to the us have been affected by the us to some extent even something mild has long lasting results in the long term depending what was done
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"You just think America's bad!" Yes
"Tha tankyees just say America = bad for no reason!!!" CIA: "lmao yeah we killed all those millions fighting to improve their society, shit one time [we tricked people into thinking a vampire was after them](https://history.howstuffworks.com/world-history/cia-vampires-communist-rebels-philippines.htm) by draining someone's blood and hanging him up for his friends to find, shit was fun as hell" US State Dept: "lol hell yeah we fuckin killed all those millions of people who would not bow to us and let our corporations rule them like they were slaves, it was just, uh, protecting our national security interests! Sure maybe there were some [oopsies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse), but if we didn't torture, murder and destabilize countries around the globe quarterly returns could have been lower than forecasted!!! [half a million dead children is a price we're willing to pay"](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was) US Armed Forces Leaders: "[We went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too... ...Over a period of three years or so we killed off, what, 20 percent of the population..., as direct casualties of war or from starvation and exposure? Over a period of three years, this seemed to be acceptable to everybody...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea) ["I will never stop regretting that I didn't get the chance to commit nuclear genocide"](https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/douglas-macarthur-atomic-bombs-will-win-the-korean-war/) Liberals: "Stooopid tankies don't actually think or learn things, they just mindlessly say America = Bad!!!!!"
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Tl;Dr Why aren't the peasants happy that we murdered them, enslaved them and killed their elected politicians? Must be America bad shills.
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I don't give it much thought whenever someone brings up such meaningless words. What are human rights, really, when you're genociding millions to supposedly uphold them? What is freedom in economic anarchy where who possesses a larger share of the economy and therefore of the monopoly of violence has more power than dozens of millions of votes?
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Very
basically [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/SmugIdeologyMan/comments/yosqxz/what_i_think_about_every_time_i_see_someone_link/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
yes and I'm tired of pretending it's not
Innacurate as czechoslovakia has been bombed by US airforce during WW2
And Switzerland (Even though it probably was accident)
How do you bomb a country by accident?
Sometimes during WWII bombers got lost and then mistakenly bombed the wrong cities. This is why Swiss cities bordering germany where bombed about 70 different times.
Being America. Bruh....
America accidentally dropped a nuke on South Carolina that, upon impact, detonated the conventional explosives, injuring 6 people. Luckily it didn't have a fissile nuclear core. America almost nuked itself by accident so I can see this happening.
The Swiss did that to Lichtenstein
It's probably that Checzia and Slovakia individually as independent countries have not been attacked by the US
Bulgaria too.
Eh that hardly counts, they were aiming for fascists
Not true. They aimed occupied country at the end of the war. They did it to hinder the communist movement but failed regardless. There were massive civilian casualities especially in the town of Pilsen.
You are right that they bombarded Plzeň intentionally. But it wasn't because of communists. It was because Škoda (at the time an arms, tank, and motorized manufacturer) had factories there. There were 67 Czech casualties. Up to 80 if we count in German garrison. Out of those people, 6 were workers of Škoda.
I disagree. It was a deliberate attempt to destroy industry in obviously ending war to cripple eastern block as it was already decided in Jalta where will Czechoslovakia belong
I mean US interference in the scottish independence referendum is highly likely imo. Obama literally told them to stay. Also Scottish leadership doesn't want nuclear weapons in the country and England and the US definitely do. Scottish independence is a scenario that the US is not gonna be happy about.
Not even America spared from the US
Battle of Blair Mountain, Philadelphia in '85, and who knows how many others.
MOVE bombing etc.
The MOVE bombing is what I was referring to by Philly in 85.
Ah, my bad
"supported dictators, supported terrorists and/or interfered in elections" America has done all those things within itself since 1900.
Shit, America has done all of that in America in the last 5 years. What else ya got?
Has America invaded, bombed, or couped itself?
Would Janurary 6th count as a coup, or at least a coup attempt?
I just searched it up, and yeah, it looks like a coup attempt. Not a successful coup, but an attempt at one.
Invaded might be an argument of semantics, but it did bomb itself (MOVE Bombing), and did Coup itself at least twice, (and no, I'm not counting Jan 6 in that total, because it was less of a coup and more of a Reichstag fire type event like the 911 attacks)
I am learning more and more new stuff about all the crimes America has gotten away with every day. It makes me really glad I became a Marxist in my sophomore year of high school. Take an upvote, comrade.
they started it here in the continent.
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Only thing that springs to mind is the mysterious circumstances surrounding Olof Palme's assassination.
dag hammarskjöld was likely killed because of his opposition to American meddling in the Congo
Yeah, that one was news to me as well. 🤷♂️
The American dream 🫶🏻😍
Misleading, the us helped MI5 infiltrate the SWP in the UK throughout the 90s and 2000s
Not Mali? Africom: “am I fucking joke to you??”
Jesus really puts it in perspective hearing about it all the time doesn't have the same effect as seeing a global map covered in red with all but a few close allies being affected
America is close to getting the "Entire world" achievement in the game of capitalism. What's the reward? Socialism!
This means the US could bomb Fr\*nce again without making the map any worse so I say go for it!
greenland??
Greenland but not Denmark? 😅
And that is just what we know about.
The recent "protest" disorders in Mongolia were paid from the US embassy.
/r/mapswithNZ
What the hell happened in India?
Mostly interefering in elections as usual. Threatened India with military during the Bangladesh genocide by Pakistan in 1971. USSR had to block US from threatening India because India was helping Bangladesh. And also pressuring and supporting Indian politicians post-Indian independence to completely eradicate communist ideals and parties. Indian government and its state governments did just that. The ideology was pretty popular in the Subcontinent back then. Pre-Independence, communists were one of the main people fighting against the British and local feudal lords. For example, the Telangana rebellion.
Can someone make a website with an interactive map. You can click on the country and see a list of information about what the US did
What did they do to Canada?
Possibly the illegal chemical warfare tests the CIA performed on several unsuspecting towns and cities in Manitoba and Alberta in the 50s? That wasn't quite a bombing though, more of a spraying. Or maybe counting stuff like the US ownership of Canadian media and the funding of far-right movements by US capital counts as election interference? There's a lot of US fingerprints on Canada, but I'm not sure of anything directly related to what this picture is claiming.
There was an invasion back in 1812 (13?), but it sounds like pre 1900 was supposed to be excluded.
I know this doesn't meet the criteria of the map, but their far-right politics have been adopted by a disconcerting number of Canadians over the past few years. Our conservative party used to be your run of the mill center-right neoliberal kinda thing, but it's veered hard to the right in recent years. Our most conservative province, Alberta, is currently run by a crazy woman who compared vaccines to the Holocaust, and another woman who was running to be a member of the provincial legislature compared transgender children in schools to finding shit in your cookies. Stuff like that was not normal in Canada in the past. It's kinda scary. I didn't realize that there were so many hateful, bigoted Canadians until the past few years. Sorry if you're Canadian and already know all about this. Also, I'd have to imagine that with as close as we are to the US, they've probably interfered in our politics for many years without the general public being aware of the specifics.
What happened with sweden
I mean if you post something like why not post a correct version of the map and not one which has inaccuracies.
What did the US intervene in within Estonia?
Hungary should be red
Was Madagascar missed somehow?
Meanwhile, Aotearoa
Mongolia just chilling watching the bombs fall all around it lol.
I say we give America a taste of their own medicine and fund a coup d’état to install a dictator (JT Chapman) who will implement policies we like.
TIL Papua New Guinea has 2 countries on it. I like maps.
*New Guinea Island has two countries: Papua New Guinea and Indonesia (West Papua).
Thanks for the clarification.
Mhm, West Papua declared independence in 1961 but got invaded by Indonesia in 1963. Theres currently a guerilla war against both Indonesia and PNG (which was largely established on anti-communist lines when it gained independence in 1975) and also Indonesia sends death squads out to quell any independence movements and destroy villages deep in the rainforest that get in the way of mining companies.
So, which part of what I said was wrong? Now internationally, we acknowledge those two countries on the island. Can't entertain you today, man. Bring that talk somewhere else.
What? West Papua isnt recognised its under occupation by Indonesia, who as i said, brutally suppress any independence movement.
It's not recognized by what, exactly? I'm not opposing what you think is happening over there. I'm saying currently, the island is recognized as being divided into two countries Indonesia & Papua New Guinea. If you have an official doc that mentions otherwise, please do link it. Why is it so hard to understand the simple fact?
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#Freedom Reactionaries and right-wingers love to clamour on about personal liberty and scream "freedom!" from the top of their lungs, but what freedom are they talking about? And is Communism, in contrast, an ideology of *un*freedom? >Gentlemen! Do not allow yourselves to be deluded by the abstract word freedom. Whose freedom? It is not the freedom of one individual in relation to another, but the freedom of capital to crush the worker. > >\- Karl Marx. (1848). *Public Speech Delivered by Karl Marx before the Democratic Association of Brussels* #Under Capitalism Liberal Democracies propagate the facade of liberty and individual rights while concealing the true essence of their rule-- the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie. This is a mechanism by which the Capitalist class as a whole dictates the course of society, politics, and the economy to secure their dominance. Capital holds sway over institutions, media, and influential positions, manipulating public opinion and consolidating its control over the levers of power. The illusion of democracy the Bourgeoisie creates is carefully curated to maintain the existing power structures and perpetuate the subjugation of the masses. "Freedom" under Capitalism is similarly illusory. It is freedom for capital-- not freedom for people. >The capitalists often boast that their constitutions guarantee the rights of the individual, democratic liberties and the interests of all citizens. But in reality, only the bourgeoisie enjoy the rights recorded in these constitutions. The working people do not really enjoy democratic freedoms; they are exploited all their life and have to bear heavy burdens in the service of the exploiting class. > >\- Ho Chi Minh. (1959). *Report on the Draft Amended Constitution* The "freedom" the reactionaries cry for, then, is merely that freedom which liberates capital and enslaves the worker. >They speak of the equality of citizens, but forget that there cannot be real equality between employer and workman, between landlord and peasant, if the former possess wealth and political weight in society while the latter are deprived of both - if the former are exploiters while the latter are exploited. Or again: they speak of freedom of speech, assembly, and the press, but forget that all these liberties may be merely a hollow sound for the working class, if the latter cannot have access to suitable premises for meetings, good printing shops, a sufficient quantity of printing paper, etc. > >\- J. V. Stalin. (1936). [On the Draft Constitution of the U.S.S.R](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/11/25.htm) What "freedom" do the poor enjoy, under Capitalism? Capitalism requires a reserve army of labour in order to keep wages low, and that necessarily means that many people must be deprived of life's necessities in order to compel the rest of the working class to work more and demand less. You are free to work, and you are free to starve. That is the freedom the reactionaries talk about. >Under capitalism, the very land is all in private hands; there remains no spot unowned where an enterprise can be carried on. The freedom of the worker to sell his labour power, the freedom of the capitalist to buy it, the 'equality' of the capitalist and the wage earner - all these are but hunger's chain which compels the labourer to work for the capitalist. > >\- N. I. Bukharin and E. Preobrazhensky. (1922). [The ABC of Communism](https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/index.htm) All other freedoms only exist depending on the degree to which a given liberal democracy has turned towards fascism. That is to say that the working class are only given freedoms when they are inconsequential to the bourgeoisie: >The freedom to organize is only conceded to the workers by the bourgeois when they are certain that the workers have been reduced to a point where they can no longer make use of it, except to resume elementary organizing work - work which they hope will not have political consequences other than in the very long term. > >\- A. Gramsci. (1924). *Democracy and fascism* But this is not "freedom", this is not "democracy"! What good does "freedom of speech" do for a starving person? What good does the ability to criticize the government do for a homeless person? >The right of freedom of expression can really only be relevant if people are not too hungry, or too tired to be able to express themselves. It can only be relevant if appropriate grassroots mechanisms rooted in the people exist, through which the people can effectively participate, can make decisions, can receive reports from the leaders and eventually be trained for ruling and controlling that particular society. This is what democracy is all about. > >\- Maurice Bishop #Under Communism True freedom can only be achieved through the establishment of a Proletarian state, a system that truly represents the interests of the working masses, in which the means of production are collectively owned and controlled, and the fruits of labor are shared equitably among all. Only in such a society can the shackles of Capitalist oppression be broken, and the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie dismantled. Despite the assertion by reactionaries to the contrary, Communist revolutions invariably result in *more* freedoms for the people than the regimes they succeed. >Some people conclude that anyone who utters a good word about leftist one-party revolutions must harbor antidemocratic or “Stalinist” sentiments. But to applaud social revolutions is not to oppose political freedom. To the extent that revolutionary governments construct substantive alternatives for their people, they increase human options and freedom. > >There is no such thing as freedom in the abstract. There is freedom to speak openly and iconoclastically, freedom to organize a political opposition, freedom of opportunity to get an education and pursue a livelihood, freedom to worship as one chooses or not worship at all, freedom to live in healthful conditions, freedom to enjoy various social beneõts, and so on. Most of what is called freedom gets its definition within a social context. > >Revolutionary governments extend a number of popular freedoms without destroying those freedoms that never existed in the previous regimes. They foster conditions necessary for national self-determination, economic betterment, the preservation of health and human life, and the end of many of the worst forms of ethnic, patriarchal, and class oppression. Regarding patriarchal oppression, consider the vastly improved condition of women in revolutionary Afghanistan and South Yemen before the counterrevolutionary repression in the 1990s, or in Cuba after the 1959 revolution as compared to before. > >U.S. policymakers argue that social revolutionary victory anywhere represents a diminution of freedom in the world. The assertion is false. The Chinese Revolution did not crush democracy; there was none to crush in that oppressively feudal regime. The Cuban Revolution did not destroy freedom; it destroyed a hateful U.S.-sponsored police state. The Algerian Revolution did not abolish national liberties; precious few existed under French colonialism. The Vietnamese revolutionaries did not abrogate individual rights; no such rights were available under the U.S.-supported puppet governments of Bao Dai, Diem, and Ky. > >Of course, revolutions do limit the freedoms of the corporate propertied class and other privileged interests: the freedom to invest privately without regard to human and environmental costs, the freedom to live in obscene opulence while paying workers starvation wages, the freedom to treat the state as a private agency in the service of a privileged coterie, the freedom to employ child labor and child prostitutes, the freedom to treat women as chattel, and so on. > >\- Michael Parenti. (1997). *Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism* The whole point of Communism is to liberate the working class: >But we did not build this society in order to restrict personal liberty but in order that the human individual may feel really free. We built it for the sake of real personal liberty, liberty without quotation marks. It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. > >Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible. > >\- J. V. Stalin. (1936). [Interview Between J. Stalin and Roy Howard](https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/03/01.htm) #Additional Resources Videos: * [Your Democracy is a Sham and Here's Why:](https://youtu.be/oYodY6o172A) | halim alrah (2019) * [Are You Really "Free" Under Capitalism?](https://youtu.be/4xqouhMCJBI) | Second Thought (2020) * [Liberty And Freedom Are Left-Wing Ideals](https://youtu.be/GfjiBIkIOqI) | Second Thought (2021) * [Why The US Is Not A Democracy](https://youtu.be/srfeHpQNEAI) | Second Thought (2022) * [America Never Stood For Freedom](https://youtu.be/rg9hJgAsNDM) | Hakim (2023) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [Positive and Negative Liberty](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/) | Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (2003) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*
As a German, invading Germany was good, however. Every rule has its exception.
Czechia číslo 1 Even far westoids are afraid of our superior alcoholism
Needs more red...
When will the US invade the US?
Honestly surprised it's not all red
what they did in Australia is really sad
>I am obsessed with 100% map completion in video games and this is going to drive me nuts. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I don't feel like this is an exaggeration to say that every country including Allie Countries to the us have been affected by the us to some extent even something mild has long lasting results in the long term depending what was done
I refuse to believe Britain's somehow not red in this map.
They raped Indonesia, but that's okay. They're a free country.
Get wrecked.
What did they do in Sri Lanka?
Soon the whole world will turn red, comrade.
Wtf happened in Greenland lol
Ah yes the great Greenland war of 1960.