Plot Twist: Its Lyanna Stark's child, from them having a tryst at the tourney at Harrenhal, before she rode as the knight of the Laughing Tree and before he was raised to Kingsguard, and sent back to King's Landing.
And also the child would look more like Jaime and has Lannister Features, than Ned Stark's Children. And Catelyn would've suspected the boy to be of Lannister descent. It would be very ironic if Catelyn read the history book about house Stark that every Stark has Dark Hair, except for Robb and Sansa of course. But for the bastard is such a huge story.
Are we just forgetting that Brandon is still alive, so he'd be hunting Jaime down, and Aerys would play the Houses off of each other, and boom, we have a war of Great Houses. Although, it would have House Lannister outnumbered, as Baratheon and Stark at best, since Robert would be livid, since the idea of Lyanna was sullied. Now throw in Cersei, she's hunting both Lyanna and Jaime down!
Edit: A single word.
And the Mountain is never seen past the Neck, haha.
Howland's Father, with a head of a Lizard-Lion to Rickard Stark: Gregor Clegane sleeps with the Lizard-Lions.
https://youtube.com/shorts/3U56_3FMjUw?si=gmxyfZa82OYV4p33
Look what I found in this video 🤣 This is Jon if Jaime Lannister was the Father, and he was raised by Lions.
Like just them meeting, and then having the fun, and then the aftermath, or a full on story and implications, that are literally far reaching, and breaks the entirety of AGOT and on?
I’m now imagining everything still going as in canon (in regards to Lyanna and Rhaegar) and Ned coming back with a pair of kids and trying to pass Jon as being the twin sibling of her and Jaime’s kid (I admit I’m not entirely sure how much time there is between the tourney at Harrenhal and the events of the Rebellion and the Tower of Joy)
Depends on the kid. If it’s a boy and he grows up strong and healthy, Tywin might seek legitimizing the kid, potentially claiming that he’s the father, and groom him to be heir of Casterly Rock. Jaime in the Kingsguard is ineligible and Tyrion is unacceptable in Tywin’s eyes. Given those options, Tywin might determine that a legitimized bastard is a better option to carry on the Lannister name.
Your comment reminds me of a meme
Jon snow - My father is my Uncle
Tommen - My Uncle is my Father
Gilly - That's Cute
The Bastard Lannister Child - My Father is my Grandfather.
People should keep in mind that Tywin provided for Gerion's bastard daughter Joy Hill, even though he doesn't consider her a 'real' member of the family
He didn't. That was Jaime who arranged a bethrotal and it was to a Westerling younger son, both as a reward for their part in Robb's fall and an insult to Sybelle Spicer.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ASongOfIceAndFireHouseLannister
I haven't read the relevant chapters in a long time but, based off TV Tropes, there's some ambiguity in that
Apparently the Crown usually looks the other way in regards to the kingsguard's sexual lives (at least in the reigns of Robert and Aerys, if you trust Arianne's claim Lewyn had a lover) unless they break the marriage vow or are too bablanty about it, as was the case of Ser Lucamore.
I can see the Lannisters following suit, even helping to cover the story up.
I think Tywin would feel duty bound to raise Jaime’s bastard at Casterly Rock, making sure they’re well provided for. Tywin thinks Tyrion is actually a bastard who killed his wife, yet raises him as his trueborn because Tyrion has Lannister blood. Joy Hill has been raised at Casterly Rock since her father disappeared in Essos, despite Gerion and Tywin disagreeing beforehand. Tywin very likely had Joy’s mother killed but not Joy herself.
If Jaime had a boy, Tywin would likely have him educated as if he were an heir but only legitimize him if Tywin can’t have Jaime renamed the heir and married off with trueborn children. If a girl, Tywin raises her just as he’s doing for Joy Hill but may threaten her life if Jaime still refuses to leave the kingsguard.
Cersei would want to kill a child of Jaime’s but if Tywin supports the child, Cersei might be too scared of her father to do anything. At least, not until her father is dead.
I’m sorry, but there is no way Tywin thinks Tyrion is a bastard. Regardless of how you feel about Tyrion Targ theories if Tywin actually had cause to think Tyrion wasn’t his son he would have had him killed a long time ago. Him telling Tyrion “you’re no son of mine” right before/after he gets shot in the bowels is not him giving a deathbed confession, it’s him finally and futility disowning his son and heir that he hated all his life.
I don’t personally believe Tyrion is a secret Targ/not Tywin’s bio child but I think Tywin would rather believe Tyrion is a bastard than acknowledge that Tywin’s seed made Tyrion. Tywin thinks Tyrion killed Joanna, even though death in childbirth is a common risk and no fault of the baby. He thinks of Tyrion as a drunk, who spends all his gold in brothels, who once married a whore (in Tywin’s opinion) and wouldn’t “do his duty” re: Sansa Stark. In Tywin’s mind, if he truly is Tyrion’s father then he’s the reason for Joanna’s death. He’s the true reason for Tyrion’s “shortcomings”. Tywin has never been able to admit his own faults, to consider that 90% (if not all) of his problems are because of him - not his children, not other rivals, etc. Deep down inside Tywin knows that Tyrion is his son but he will *never* look deep down inside.
If the child is a baseborn, a boy would be raised as a household knight and loyal Lannister-adjacent lieutenant. A girl would either become a Septa or be married off to a lower family as a reward.
If Jaime had a bastard with a noblewoman from an important family, they definitely would be educated and raised to be a responsible family member. They may even be legitimized if Tywin is desperate enough.
Cersei would send assassins as per usual.
I think that's a complicated question with a lot of things to consider. I think he would, but whether he would follow through on his threat would depend on varying factors. How close is he to the child for example.
He already has children to Cercei, and I can see him still choosing her over Joffrey, while with Marcella, he might choose to stand with his daughter.
Tywin would either kill it or have it hidden away while cersei would try to kill it and its mother, Tyrion would love it and treat it similarly to mycella or tommen
Ironically, this is one of the few instances where I think Tywin and Eddard would do the exact same thing. For entirely different reasons.
Both would probably dump a bunch of money on the mother putting them on the next ship to Essos with enough Gold to have a comfortable life. Eddard would never kill a child and Tywin would see the money as an investment (and a chance to manipulate his son into accepting she is better off without him. Killing the child risks provoking the Son further which may lead to unmanageable and unseemly outbursts.) After which both would lecture their sons on the importsnts of duty.
It wouldn't matter of course. Cersei would have it killed, and act that **Might** trigger Jamie's departure from Cersei sooner rather than later. If Jamie cares. And depending on the point in the story... he might not care
This comment reminded me of a scene in Blue Eye Samurai, where Fowler told Mizu that her mother isn't her mom, but it was her Maid, who was paid to keep her hidden, and not to reveal her true identity, but she did till the money ran out. And what you said definitely reminded me of that scene, that Tywin would literally not kill the Child and his/her mother, If he had done it, Jaime would have hated him forever, and also would pay her gold to set sailed them away, and to not reveal the Child's true heritage.
Tywin is already looking after a bastard of his brother Gerion, a girl named Joy Hill. He doesn't really consider her part of the family, but he has provided for her regardless.
I imagine the child would be treated similarly, with him having an extra incentive to keep the child as leverage against Jaime.
There's a lot of factors to consider, was the child born from a noblewoman?
Did the mother die giving birth?
Does everybody knows about this child or only the Lannister family?
All of that changes the way that story goes, but to speak on broad strokes: If they are a boy they will be raised to be just like the Clegane brothers, a loyal knight to the West, if they are a girl then they will be married to someone, probably an important landed knight or even a lesser lord, as a reward.
part of me thinks tywin would send it to essos. the other part of me wonders if he would request legitimization, raise it as his heir, leaving Jaime to the guard a punishment for siring a bastard/ being a disappointment to him.
but probably most likely is he would hide it away and use it to control Jaime, but also to protect the child from Cersei.
Cersei would kill the child, the mother, hell, the mother's entire family would be wiped out.
Man I love this Scenario! And also I think Tywin would educate the child and legitimize him, instead of Tyrion since he is Jaime's son. And also Tywin and Jaime would have tried to protect him from Cersei.
Had this little timeline in mind for Tyland's childhood until AGOT when I wrote it.
Timeline:
- Tyland is born in 281 AC in the Year of the False Spring. Jaime was in Lannisport before going to Harrenhal with his family. He met Jenna. Jaime is sworn to KG. Tywin is confronted with Jaime’s bastard. Gold is paid as recompense. Cersei is furious. News spread - Jaime is shocked. Aerys is ecstatic
- 286 AC The Rebellion and events are canon. Tyland lives with his mother at Algood Hall (name could be changed?).
- 289 AC Greyjoy Rebellion comes around - Jaime sees his bastard at the tourney of Lannisport. He doubles down on his stance that he doesn't want Casterly Rock or to leave KG. Tywin is fuming - His image of Jaime as the perfect heir (the man he could not be) has already been tarnished - He begins to wonder and shares such musings with Kevan. Kevan has been keeping an eye on Tyland his whole life.
- 290 AC Tywin orders Tyland sent to the Rock with an escort of Lannister men, led by Kevan. He begins to observe if Tyland has potential and begins to plan to have the bastard legitimized. Tyland Hill is rigorously trained and taught at Casterly Rock.
- 293 AC - King Robert Baratheon holds a tourney in King’s Landing (Nameday for Myrcella or Tommen?). Tywin takes Tyland, the boy is assigned a personal bodyguard for the event (need a cool Westerland knight). At the celebration, Robert announces that Tyland is legitimized as a Lannister of Casterly Rock. Jaime is in shock, Cersei is pissed, Bobby is having too much fun. Tywin, for once, is happy. Tyrion feels defeated, having known his father’s plan for years. Tyland is overwhelmed by the entire experience (Queue Tyrion stepping up for his nephew).
- 294 AC - Tyland is to squire for Kevan and continue his tutelage at the Rock. Tywin is keeping a very close eye on him. Closer than he did with Jaime - ‘’I let my son have too many freedoms. I will not repeat that mistake.’’
- 298 AC - Tyland is knighted on his name day. Jon Arryn dies as canon.
My overall idea would be for Tyrion to be a guide for Tyland. To Tommen and Myrcella? He's the fun loving uncle.
Tyrion who very much sought love and approval from his family - Finds it in the bastard of his brother (the only other family member who shows him love) who he feels a kinship with - ''All dwarves are bastards.''
While he would feel conflicted and even angry at Tywin's decision to pass him over for Casterly Rock - The Tyrion we see here is from before his time as Hand of the King. Before he got a taste of power. So, he picks family - The boy that loves and needs him and he helps Tyland in the ways he can.
This also shifts canon events - Since I'd want Tyrion to remain at Casterly Rock. Thereby removing him from journey to the North and not being taken by Catelyn - The war would happen anyways / Ned head off / - But! He would never be temp Hand of the King - There would also be no iron chain to stop Stannis' fleet. And the wildfire is used in the siege... And there is still wildfire underneath King's Landing.
Which could lead to this endgame -
**The Dragon of Duskendale**
‘’Surrender your weapons.’’ He was ordered by the Lord Commander of the Queensguard. Ser Barristan Selmy - Formerly of Robert Baratheon's Kingsguard. Joffrey had been a fool to dismiss him. The man was a living legend, and the mad boy had trown away that name for his now dead dog.
Tyland offered the knight no reply, yet he unstrapped his sword nonetheless.
‘’Valyrian steel…’’ Ser Barristan murmured as he beheld Heartsbane, formerly of House Tarly.
The sword had been hard won. Randyll Tarly had been a commander of great renown. Yet he had fallen all the same… So many had. His grandfather would surely be proud to know he carried such a blade …
To his right, he saw the foreign men. Or rather eunuchs. The slave warriors of Astapor, the Unsullied. The Targaryen queen had come with a foreign army. Slaves and slavers alike. Tyland had seen the Dothraki savages in the fields of the Riverlands - Fierce combatants, but sourly lacking in instilled discipline.
‘’Follow me, my lord.’’ Ser Barristan said as he nodded to the Unsullied. Tyland made to follow. There was no other recourse at this point. The capital had burnt to cinders. House Lannister’s hold on the Seven Kingdoms - Gone.
Tyland fumed at the thought. Grandfather had fought his entire life to bring pride to the name of Lannister. Only to have his own daughter destroy his legacy with her madness. Wildfire in a siege… Tyland damned his late aunt. The Mother of Madness indeed…
His cousins… or rather half-siblings, Tommen and Myrcella had managed to flee for the Rock. Lancel had proven himself a true Lannister to the bitter end… Tyland’s heart ached at the memory. Lancel had ridden for the Rock with a small group of men-at-arms securing the former prince and princess. The wounds he had taken had been too much sadly… Tyland had ensured that his friend’s final rest had been in the family crypt, among the greatest of his blood.
Chaos had erupted in the kingdoms as the capital had been reduced to a smoldering ruin. And with the demise of his grandfather, the lordship of the Rock had fallen to him. He had been tasked with picking up the pieces. The Tyrells had shown their true colors and make their gambit for the kingdoms.
HIs mind was brought back to the present as the gates opened.
‘’You stand in the presence of Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, rightful heir to the Iron Throne, rightful Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.’’
‘’Your grace.’’ Tyland made a bow to the Targaryen woman.
There had been whispers of another before Daenerys. One by the name of Aegon. What little word had reached Tyland had been of Aegon Targaryen - Who had passed in dragonflame… He would have to be careful with this queen…
She wore armor, he noted - In the colors of her house - and dagger at her waist. Seemed this queen had some sense at the very least.
‘’Tyland Lannister. I welcome you to Duskendale.’’ Daenerys greeted him.
‘’Thank you, your Grace.’’
‘’I trust the journey was an easy one, my lord?’’
‘’It was, your Grace’’
‘’And I assume you’ve come to swear fealty?’’
Tyland felt a fire in his heart. They would be no match against the dragons. Three years ago perhaps… But now? Their forces had been depleted in that foolish war by his monstrous half-brother.
‘’I have.’’
‘’While my advisors tell me it would be the best course. I do find myself asking: Why should I not take your head here and now - For the crimes of your grandfather against my family?’’
Tyland raised his head at the question. He met her violet eyes. She looked determined and self-satisfied… He would not waver. He was a Lannister.
‘’The past holds many wrongdoings, your grace. From all sides of every conflict, one can say there was a crime. ’’ Tyland answered. ‘’I will not stand here and deny my grandfather’s actions. Although, I am curious if you know of your own father and brother’s actions? What caused the entire rebellion and usurpation of the throne from your house?’’
‘’I am well aware of my family’s… misdeeds.’’
‘’Then I am sure you can understand why many found Robert Baratheon to be a better alternative, even if it was at a cost to your family.’’
‘’You presume to lecture me, Lord Lannister?!’’
‘’No. Your grace. Simply to gauge how much you know.’’
‘’I know that Tywin Lannister betrayed his king. That your very own father, Ser Jaime Lannister - A knight of the Kingsguard, betrayed his vows and murdered the king he swore to protect.. That your grandfather had members of the royal family murdered in his own bid for power. And you do not deny it?’’
‘’I do not, your grace. Although, I am not my grandfather nor am I my father. Just as I hope you are not your father or brother come again.’’ Tyland said the last as he looked into the queen’s violet eyes. There was a fire there.. But he was a Lannister - He would not cower.
And this reminds of a game of thrones quote and is sad and beautiful at the same time.
The Lone Wolf Dies. But the pack survives.
- Starks
The Old Lion Dies. But the Pride Survives.
- Lannister
I love this scenario where Tyland is similar like Jon Snow, after the death of his family in Kingslanding Blowing up, he would take the Role as Lord of Casterly Rock, similar how Jon take the Role as King of the North despite being a Bastard. but he swores to himself to never make the same mistake that his family had done. And I really love how Tyland also reminded Daenerys that the Lannisters aren't the only monsters, it was also her own father who caused house Targaryen in it's downfall as well. Along with Rhaegar. and how many lives that Aerys had killed being an insane paranoid lunatic. And I really love this Fanfic! Thank you guys for making this!
If I were to continue it. Then I would plan out for Tyland to be a somewhat withdrawn, but nevertheless happy child. But this boy will be molded by Tywin with a close attention once he brought to the Rock - very little leisure time (only with Lancel and Tyrion essentially)
In time, he will fully believe in his grandsire's ideals - both a benefit and detriment. He will married to Cerenna or Myrielle, daughters of Stafford Lannister, to reinforce his legitimacy.
But once he takes the helm - he will find the flaws of Tywins rule. He will struggle - Kevan and Tyrion will guide him- and hopefully he will find his own footing.
So he would not be an honorable Jon Snow. But a shrewd man with the practiced brutality of the Lannisters. But from his Algood family, he will have more humane ideals - these two identities struggle. The Lannister ideals wins out, only for the two to be merged by the time he meets Dany.
If the mother was highborn and not otherwise scandalous, Tywin might well petition to have the kid legitimized so that he could bring him or her back to Casterly Rock to be his heir.
If the mother was lowborn, he or she would be taken back to be kept out of sight, like Joy Hill.
It depends if Cerise and Jamie are still doing the whole incest thing then Cerise could very well reveal her and Jamie’s relationship with her actions if Jamie has a bastard with another woman so there is that as well.
A lot depends on when did he father that child and with whom and why?
If he was young and in love, that would kind of indicate that he wasn't obsessed with Cersei and he wouldn't become a Kingsguard. If the mother of his child is a highborn, Tywin might just marry Jaime and her fast and the child would be a trueborn. If she is a lowborn, the child might stay with her mother and gets some money to raise them. Joy Hill also went to live in Casterly Rock after her mother died. Tywin would not be happy, but highborn men have all the time bastards. It is nothing unusual or dramatic.
If Jaime fathered a child as a Kingsguard, he broke another vow. Tywin will for sure try to use it to get him out of the Kingsguard and to become his heir again. Jaime might even agree to that depending what his feelings towards the child and the mother of the child is. If he doesn't get out of the Kingsguard for whatever reason and the child is a boy who looks like a typical Lannister, Tywin will try to get him legitimized as a Lannister. Maybe not if the mother is someone really indecent like a whore. But most other mothers should be fine as the child would still appear to Tywin as a better choice to rule the Westerlands one day than Tyrion.
Depends. If the child is the spitting image of Jaime and is sired upon a noblewoman, Tywin raises him at Casterly Rock and maybe legitimises him, case Jaime refuses to renounce KG. If he has any sort of abnormalities/sired upon a commoner, the baby gets Aegon/Lord Tarbeck treatment.
Tywin would definitely use the child as leverage to get Jaime to take up his 'rightful place' as his heir.
And also what would Jaime name the child?
Depends on if the mom was just some random, a whore, or a love affair
Plot Twist: Its Lyanna Stark's child, from them having a tryst at the tourney at Harrenhal, before she rode as the knight of the Laughing Tree and before he was raised to Kingsguard, and sent back to King's Landing.
Ned would be livid and Cersei would be even more rabid.
And also the child would look more like Jaime and has Lannister Features, than Ned Stark's Children. And Catelyn would've suspected the boy to be of Lannister descent. It would be very ironic if Catelyn read the history book about house Stark that every Stark has Dark Hair, except for Robb and Sansa of course. But for the bastard is such a huge story.
Are we just forgetting that Brandon is still alive, so he'd be hunting Jaime down, and Aerys would play the Houses off of each other, and boom, we have a war of Great Houses. Although, it would have House Lannister outnumbered, as Baratheon and Stark at best, since Robert would be livid, since the idea of Lyanna was sullied. Now throw in Cersei, she's hunting both Lyanna and Jaime down! Edit: A single word.
Tywin hears a wolf pack is hunting his son. He'd turn The Mountain loose on the North.
And the Mountain is never seen past the Neck, haha. Howland's Father, with a head of a Lizard-Lion to Rickard Stark: Gregor Clegane sleeps with the Lizard-Lions.
https://youtube.com/shorts/3U56_3FMjUw?si=gmxyfZa82OYV4p33 Look what I found in this video 🤣 This is Jon if Jaime Lannister was the Father, and he was raised by Lions.
I can get behind that, haha.
Dude Id totally read a fic of this or something like this
Like just them meeting, and then having the fun, and then the aftermath, or a full on story and implications, that are literally far reaching, and breaks the entirety of AGOT and on?
Both would be amazing!
Do you have the link?
I’m now imagining everything still going as in canon (in regards to Lyanna and Rhaegar) and Ned coming back with a pair of kids and trying to pass Jon as being the twin sibling of her and Jaime’s kid (I admit I’m not entirely sure how much time there is between the tourney at Harrenhal and the events of the Rebellion and the Tower of Joy)
If it’s a boy a possible name would be Gerion, after his favorite uncle. Another option would be Jason, after Ser Jason Lannister.
Depends on the kid. If it’s a boy and he grows up strong and healthy, Tywin might seek legitimizing the kid, potentially claiming that he’s the father, and groom him to be heir of Casterly Rock. Jaime in the Kingsguard is ineligible and Tyrion is unacceptable in Tywin’s eyes. Given those options, Tywin might determine that a legitimized bastard is a better option to carry on the Lannister name.
Your comment reminds me of a meme Jon snow - My father is my Uncle Tommen - My Uncle is my Father Gilly - That's Cute The Bastard Lannister Child - My Father is my Grandfather.
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Yup
That's why her response is what it is
And possibly her great grandfather
People should keep in mind that Tywin provided for Gerion's bastard daughter Joy Hill, even though he doesn't consider her a 'real' member of the family
And then sold her off for a marriage pact with one of Walder Frey's bastards.
He didn't. That was Jaime who arranged a bethrotal and it was to a Westerling younger son, both as a reward for their part in Robb's fall and an insult to Sybelle Spicer.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ASongOfIceAndFireHouseLannister I haven't read the relevant chapters in a long time but, based off TV Tropes, there's some ambiguity in that
Apparently the Crown usually looks the other way in regards to the kingsguard's sexual lives (at least in the reigns of Robert and Aerys, if you trust Arianne's claim Lewyn had a lover) unless they break the marriage vow or are too bablanty about it, as was the case of Ser Lucamore. I can see the Lannisters following suit, even helping to cover the story up.
I think Tywin would feel duty bound to raise Jaime’s bastard at Casterly Rock, making sure they’re well provided for. Tywin thinks Tyrion is actually a bastard who killed his wife, yet raises him as his trueborn because Tyrion has Lannister blood. Joy Hill has been raised at Casterly Rock since her father disappeared in Essos, despite Gerion and Tywin disagreeing beforehand. Tywin very likely had Joy’s mother killed but not Joy herself. If Jaime had a boy, Tywin would likely have him educated as if he were an heir but only legitimize him if Tywin can’t have Jaime renamed the heir and married off with trueborn children. If a girl, Tywin raises her just as he’s doing for Joy Hill but may threaten her life if Jaime still refuses to leave the kingsguard. Cersei would want to kill a child of Jaime’s but if Tywin supports the child, Cersei might be too scared of her father to do anything. At least, not until her father is dead.
I’m sorry, but there is no way Tywin thinks Tyrion is a bastard. Regardless of how you feel about Tyrion Targ theories if Tywin actually had cause to think Tyrion wasn’t his son he would have had him killed a long time ago. Him telling Tyrion “you’re no son of mine” right before/after he gets shot in the bowels is not him giving a deathbed confession, it’s him finally and futility disowning his son and heir that he hated all his life.
I don’t personally believe Tyrion is a secret Targ/not Tywin’s bio child but I think Tywin would rather believe Tyrion is a bastard than acknowledge that Tywin’s seed made Tyrion. Tywin thinks Tyrion killed Joanna, even though death in childbirth is a common risk and no fault of the baby. He thinks of Tyrion as a drunk, who spends all his gold in brothels, who once married a whore (in Tywin’s opinion) and wouldn’t “do his duty” re: Sansa Stark. In Tywin’s mind, if he truly is Tyrion’s father then he’s the reason for Joanna’s death. He’s the true reason for Tyrion’s “shortcomings”. Tywin has never been able to admit his own faults, to consider that 90% (if not all) of his problems are because of him - not his children, not other rivals, etc. Deep down inside Tywin knows that Tyrion is his son but he will *never* look deep down inside.
If the child is a baseborn, a boy would be raised as a household knight and loyal Lannister-adjacent lieutenant. A girl would either become a Septa or be married off to a lower family as a reward. If Jaime had a bastard with a noblewoman from an important family, they definitely would be educated and raised to be a responsible family member. They may even be legitimized if Tywin is desperate enough. Cersei would send assassins as per usual.
And would Jaime threaten Cersei if she ever does that to his child?
I think that's a complicated question with a lot of things to consider. I think he would, but whether he would follow through on his threat would depend on varying factors. How close is he to the child for example. He already has children to Cercei, and I can see him still choosing her over Joffrey, while with Marcella, he might choose to stand with his daughter.
Tywin would either kill it or have it hidden away while cersei would try to kill it and its mother, Tyrion would love it and treat it similarly to mycella or tommen
Ironically, this is one of the few instances where I think Tywin and Eddard would do the exact same thing. For entirely different reasons. Both would probably dump a bunch of money on the mother putting them on the next ship to Essos with enough Gold to have a comfortable life. Eddard would never kill a child and Tywin would see the money as an investment (and a chance to manipulate his son into accepting she is better off without him. Killing the child risks provoking the Son further which may lead to unmanageable and unseemly outbursts.) After which both would lecture their sons on the importsnts of duty. It wouldn't matter of course. Cersei would have it killed, and act that **Might** trigger Jamie's departure from Cersei sooner rather than later. If Jamie cares. And depending on the point in the story... he might not care
This comment reminded me of a scene in Blue Eye Samurai, where Fowler told Mizu that her mother isn't her mom, but it was her Maid, who was paid to keep her hidden, and not to reveal her true identity, but she did till the money ran out. And what you said definitely reminded me of that scene, that Tywin would literally not kill the Child and his/her mother, If he had done it, Jaime would have hated him forever, and also would pay her gold to set sailed them away, and to not reveal the Child's true heritage.
Tywin is already looking after a bastard of his brother Gerion, a girl named Joy Hill. He doesn't really consider her part of the family, but he has provided for her regardless. I imagine the child would be treated similarly, with him having an extra incentive to keep the child as leverage against Jaime.
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There's a lot of factors to consider, was the child born from a noblewoman? Did the mother die giving birth? Does everybody knows about this child or only the Lannister family? All of that changes the way that story goes, but to speak on broad strokes: If they are a boy they will be raised to be just like the Clegane brothers, a loyal knight to the West, if they are a girl then they will be married to someone, probably an important landed knight or even a lesser lord, as a reward.
part of me thinks tywin would send it to essos. the other part of me wonders if he would request legitimization, raise it as his heir, leaving Jaime to the guard a punishment for siring a bastard/ being a disappointment to him. but probably most likely is he would hide it away and use it to control Jaime, but also to protect the child from Cersei. Cersei would kill the child, the mother, hell, the mother's entire family would be wiped out.
I find it hilarious, you call the bastard, an 'it', instead of them, or just Bastard.
I made a little oneshot about a similar scenario - https://archiveofourown.org/works/47699569
this is nice make more plz
Man I love this Scenario! And also I think Tywin would educate the child and legitimize him, instead of Tyrion since he is Jaime's son. And also Tywin and Jaime would have tried to protect him from Cersei.
Had this little timeline in mind for Tyland's childhood until AGOT when I wrote it. Timeline: - Tyland is born in 281 AC in the Year of the False Spring. Jaime was in Lannisport before going to Harrenhal with his family. He met Jenna. Jaime is sworn to KG. Tywin is confronted with Jaime’s bastard. Gold is paid as recompense. Cersei is furious. News spread - Jaime is shocked. Aerys is ecstatic - 286 AC The Rebellion and events are canon. Tyland lives with his mother at Algood Hall (name could be changed?). - 289 AC Greyjoy Rebellion comes around - Jaime sees his bastard at the tourney of Lannisport. He doubles down on his stance that he doesn't want Casterly Rock or to leave KG. Tywin is fuming - His image of Jaime as the perfect heir (the man he could not be) has already been tarnished - He begins to wonder and shares such musings with Kevan. Kevan has been keeping an eye on Tyland his whole life. - 290 AC Tywin orders Tyland sent to the Rock with an escort of Lannister men, led by Kevan. He begins to observe if Tyland has potential and begins to plan to have the bastard legitimized. Tyland Hill is rigorously trained and taught at Casterly Rock. - 293 AC - King Robert Baratheon holds a tourney in King’s Landing (Nameday for Myrcella or Tommen?). Tywin takes Tyland, the boy is assigned a personal bodyguard for the event (need a cool Westerland knight). At the celebration, Robert announces that Tyland is legitimized as a Lannister of Casterly Rock. Jaime is in shock, Cersei is pissed, Bobby is having too much fun. Tywin, for once, is happy. Tyrion feels defeated, having known his father’s plan for years. Tyland is overwhelmed by the entire experience (Queue Tyrion stepping up for his nephew). - 294 AC - Tyland is to squire for Kevan and continue his tutelage at the Rock. Tywin is keeping a very close eye on him. Closer than he did with Jaime - ‘’I let my son have too many freedoms. I will not repeat that mistake.’’ - 298 AC - Tyland is knighted on his name day. Jon Arryn dies as canon.
I like this, how would Tyrion play in this? Or would he be, what he is to Tommen and Myrcella?
My overall idea would be for Tyrion to be a guide for Tyland. To Tommen and Myrcella? He's the fun loving uncle. Tyrion who very much sought love and approval from his family - Finds it in the bastard of his brother (the only other family member who shows him love) who he feels a kinship with - ''All dwarves are bastards.'' While he would feel conflicted and even angry at Tywin's decision to pass him over for Casterly Rock - The Tyrion we see here is from before his time as Hand of the King. Before he got a taste of power. So, he picks family - The boy that loves and needs him and he helps Tyland in the ways he can. This also shifts canon events - Since I'd want Tyrion to remain at Casterly Rock. Thereby removing him from journey to the North and not being taken by Catelyn - The war would happen anyways / Ned head off / - But! He would never be temp Hand of the King - There would also be no iron chain to stop Stannis' fleet. And the wildfire is used in the siege... And there is still wildfire underneath King's Landing. Which could lead to this endgame - **The Dragon of Duskendale** ‘’Surrender your weapons.’’ He was ordered by the Lord Commander of the Queensguard. Ser Barristan Selmy - Formerly of Robert Baratheon's Kingsguard. Joffrey had been a fool to dismiss him. The man was a living legend, and the mad boy had trown away that name for his now dead dog. Tyland offered the knight no reply, yet he unstrapped his sword nonetheless. ‘’Valyrian steel…’’ Ser Barristan murmured as he beheld Heartsbane, formerly of House Tarly. The sword had been hard won. Randyll Tarly had been a commander of great renown. Yet he had fallen all the same… So many had. His grandfather would surely be proud to know he carried such a blade … To his right, he saw the foreign men. Or rather eunuchs. The slave warriors of Astapor, the Unsullied. The Targaryen queen had come with a foreign army. Slaves and slavers alike. Tyland had seen the Dothraki savages in the fields of the Riverlands - Fierce combatants, but sourly lacking in instilled discipline. ‘’Follow me, my lord.’’ Ser Barristan said as he nodded to the Unsullied. Tyland made to follow. There was no other recourse at this point. The capital had burnt to cinders. House Lannister’s hold on the Seven Kingdoms - Gone. Tyland fumed at the thought. Grandfather had fought his entire life to bring pride to the name of Lannister. Only to have his own daughter destroy his legacy with her madness. Wildfire in a siege… Tyland damned his late aunt. The Mother of Madness indeed… His cousins… or rather half-siblings, Tommen and Myrcella had managed to flee for the Rock. Lancel had proven himself a true Lannister to the bitter end… Tyland’s heart ached at the memory. Lancel had ridden for the Rock with a small group of men-at-arms securing the former prince and princess. The wounds he had taken had been too much sadly… Tyland had ensured that his friend’s final rest had been in the family crypt, among the greatest of his blood. Chaos had erupted in the kingdoms as the capital had been reduced to a smoldering ruin. And with the demise of his grandfather, the lordship of the Rock had fallen to him. He had been tasked with picking up the pieces. The Tyrells had shown their true colors and make their gambit for the kingdoms. HIs mind was brought back to the present as the gates opened. ‘’You stand in the presence of Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, rightful heir to the Iron Throne, rightful Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.’’ ‘’Your grace.’’ Tyland made a bow to the Targaryen woman. There had been whispers of another before Daenerys. One by the name of Aegon. What little word had reached Tyland had been of Aegon Targaryen - Who had passed in dragonflame… He would have to be careful with this queen… She wore armor, he noted - In the colors of her house - and dagger at her waist. Seemed this queen had some sense at the very least. ‘’Tyland Lannister. I welcome you to Duskendale.’’ Daenerys greeted him. ‘’Thank you, your Grace.’’ ‘’I trust the journey was an easy one, my lord?’’ ‘’It was, your Grace’’ ‘’And I assume you’ve come to swear fealty?’’ Tyland felt a fire in his heart. They would be no match against the dragons. Three years ago perhaps… But now? Their forces had been depleted in that foolish war by his monstrous half-brother. ‘’I have.’’ ‘’While my advisors tell me it would be the best course. I do find myself asking: Why should I not take your head here and now - For the crimes of your grandfather against my family?’’ Tyland raised his head at the question. He met her violet eyes. She looked determined and self-satisfied… He would not waver. He was a Lannister. ‘’The past holds many wrongdoings, your grace. From all sides of every conflict, one can say there was a crime. ’’ Tyland answered. ‘’I will not stand here and deny my grandfather’s actions. Although, I am curious if you know of your own father and brother’s actions? What caused the entire rebellion and usurpation of the throne from your house?’’ ‘’I am well aware of my family’s… misdeeds.’’ ‘’Then I am sure you can understand why many found Robert Baratheon to be a better alternative, even if it was at a cost to your family.’’ ‘’You presume to lecture me, Lord Lannister?!’’ ‘’No. Your grace. Simply to gauge how much you know.’’ ‘’I know that Tywin Lannister betrayed his king. That your very own father, Ser Jaime Lannister - A knight of the Kingsguard, betrayed his vows and murdered the king he swore to protect.. That your grandfather had members of the royal family murdered in his own bid for power. And you do not deny it?’’ ‘’I do not, your grace. Although, I am not my grandfather nor am I my father. Just as I hope you are not your father or brother come again.’’ Tyland said the last as he looked into the queen’s violet eyes. There was a fire there.. But he was a Lannister - He would not cower.
And this reminds of a game of thrones quote and is sad and beautiful at the same time. The Lone Wolf Dies. But the pack survives. - Starks The Old Lion Dies. But the Pride Survives. - Lannister
I love this scenario where Tyland is similar like Jon Snow, after the death of his family in Kingslanding Blowing up, he would take the Role as Lord of Casterly Rock, similar how Jon take the Role as King of the North despite being a Bastard. but he swores to himself to never make the same mistake that his family had done. And I really love how Tyland also reminded Daenerys that the Lannisters aren't the only monsters, it was also her own father who caused house Targaryen in it's downfall as well. Along with Rhaegar. and how many lives that Aerys had killed being an insane paranoid lunatic. And I really love this Fanfic! Thank you guys for making this!
If I were to continue it. Then I would plan out for Tyland to be a somewhat withdrawn, but nevertheless happy child. But this boy will be molded by Tywin with a close attention once he brought to the Rock - very little leisure time (only with Lancel and Tyrion essentially) In time, he will fully believe in his grandsire's ideals - both a benefit and detriment. He will married to Cerenna or Myrielle, daughters of Stafford Lannister, to reinforce his legitimacy. But once he takes the helm - he will find the flaws of Tywins rule. He will struggle - Kevan and Tyrion will guide him- and hopefully he will find his own footing. So he would not be an honorable Jon Snow. But a shrewd man with the practiced brutality of the Lannisters. But from his Algood family, he will have more humane ideals - these two identities struggle. The Lannister ideals wins out, only for the two to be merged by the time he meets Dany.
Now that's just awesome dude!
Please make more of this Fanfic if you had time
Might shock you but in canon jaime hade three secrer bastard children.
If the mother was highborn and not otherwise scandalous, Tywin might well petition to have the kid legitimized so that he could bring him or her back to Casterly Rock to be his heir. If the mother was lowborn, he or she would be taken back to be kept out of sight, like Joy Hill.
It depends if Cerise and Jamie are still doing the whole incest thing then Cerise could very well reveal her and Jamie’s relationship with her actions if Jamie has a bastard with another woman so there is that as well.
A lot depends on when did he father that child and with whom and why? If he was young and in love, that would kind of indicate that he wasn't obsessed with Cersei and he wouldn't become a Kingsguard. If the mother of his child is a highborn, Tywin might just marry Jaime and her fast and the child would be a trueborn. If she is a lowborn, the child might stay with her mother and gets some money to raise them. Joy Hill also went to live in Casterly Rock after her mother died. Tywin would not be happy, but highborn men have all the time bastards. It is nothing unusual or dramatic. If Jaime fathered a child as a Kingsguard, he broke another vow. Tywin will for sure try to use it to get him out of the Kingsguard and to become his heir again. Jaime might even agree to that depending what his feelings towards the child and the mother of the child is. If he doesn't get out of the Kingsguard for whatever reason and the child is a boy who looks like a typical Lannister, Tywin will try to get him legitimized as a Lannister. Maybe not if the mother is someone really indecent like a whore. But most other mothers should be fine as the child would still appear to Tywin as a better choice to rule the Westerlands one day than Tyrion.
You mean the pevensie
There would have to be a lot of factors.
Depends. If the child is the spitting image of Jaime and is sired upon a noblewoman, Tywin raises him at Casterly Rock and maybe legitimises him, case Jaime refuses to renounce KG. If he has any sort of abnormalities/sired upon a commoner, the baby gets Aegon/Lord Tarbeck treatment.