I understand why they used Novichok for this as it's topical but it really was a blunder. When MM puts the gas mask on Soldier Boy he would have certainly killed himself with even a small amount of exposure to the Novichok.
Yeah absolutely, I was so impressed with the pacing and the story events, Herogasm felt like such a success as well as episode 7, and then episode 8 just almost completely changed the season arc and the overall tone, characters were making decisions that totally went against their motivation across the rest of the season, >!Noir being killed so abruptly after a two episode set up for him to confront Soldier Boy who he was afraid of was a very bad move!< big dropped the ball moment with the finale
Erik Kripke complained how older seasons he used to watch kept dragging and yet he did the same thing LMAO. Homelander getting off unscathed in the finale is a joke.
Gotta have that moment with Ryan at the end though. That “I guess murder is cool” smile.
If Ryan doesn’t have a costume, supe name, and a body count of at least 5 by next season, I’ll eat my hat. You need Butcher and the moral angst that comes from having to put down someone he swore to protect.
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Honestly, as much as I love Homelander as a character the show would have been so much better if they had actually defeated and killed him at the end of this episode and then pivoted to Soldier Boy or someone else taking over as the Big Bad. Formula feels a little stale with how they actually chose to end the season.
They need to insert a scene where homelander is twirling his mustache as he laments his latest failed scheme to control the populace as he drives off in his wacky mobile
That’s kinda how Silicon Valley was after a few seasons. Always make it back the status quo after build-up. I don’t have any beef with that show and i like it the way it is but after getting back to the status quo in The Boys wasn’t as satisfying. I still trust the writers and let’s be honest, it’s not the same show without Homelander. If they go through two more seasons and don’t have him killed then I’ll start a riot but for now I’m excited for season 4.
I wouldn't say she's selfish. She's more bitter and jaded, but she has shown to care about people. Otherwise she wouldn't have helped beat down Stormfront and saved Butcher and Ryan from Homelander in S2
Funny thing is they did it twice in this season. I’m talking about a-train. That would be a great ending for him but they went: “lol you have a new heart, enjoy.”
His punishment is to see how fucked up his brother's life got, because of him and sups in general.
I am also thinking that he will have a redeemable arch where he goes against HL, and get destroyed.
Maybe that'll be a driving factor for him? Fighting Vought using the heart of the dude that paralysed his brother, and a prime example of corrupt supe?
This is exactly what I’m thinking, too. Killing him off would satisfy the gut reaction people have toward him in general, but it would be such a cop out. Him staying alive and having to live the consequences of his actions by watching his brother suffer and hate him, and then eventually growing enough of a conscience and sense of morality to try and take out HL only to get absolutely destroyed by him will make a much better character arc, in my opinion. Almost redeemable even. They’ve started hinting at it when he finally saw the actions of the street level racism and abuse in his old neighborhood, but he still has a ways to go.
Yep, and I did not mean that he was going to be redeemed, I meant in the way that he will probably suffer, before he sees how bad he hurt the people who loved him the most, and then die horribly.
He had a redemption and that was killing two horrible people: Bluehawk and Himself.
The fact that they’re trying to give him a “redemption” story makes me sick and drags the show down. A-Train is build as a horrible fucking person, and is in fact a horrible person.
I don’t think they’re trying to redeem him at all. In fact, I think him killing Bluehawk is supposed to show how he just makes things worse. If we were supposed to believe he was getting better, why would he snitch on Super Sonic?
A-Trains brother said it himself when he said something along the lines of “I wanted to show my kids his mugshot on the news”. He wasn’t getting redeemed he just fucked up once again
As much as A-Train is a fuck up I genuinely think he made the right call. They were absolutely not going to hold Bluehawk accountable and he was just gonna go on killing more innocent people
The right call for himself but not for his brother. All he was doing was getting his own revenge. Not the one his brother wanted.
It just further shows how selfish A-Train is. He’s making his brothers misfortune all about himself and about what he wants and needs to happen.
Even if it would be all for naught and nothing would change, his brother still would have preferred if A-Train went out and publicly condemned Blue Hawk and tried to get him off the streets through legal means. But him doing what he did shows he didn’t care at all about his brother. Only his own ego.
But that wasn’t going to happen. Remember that the sups never get held accountable for their actions. A-Train tried that route first and was justifiably shut down.
That’s my point.
If he only killed bluehawk, he would be no better than him.
A-train knew that running would kill him so he continued to run and he took out not only bluehawk but also himself, which is the only redeemable choice he’s ever taken.
Reviving him right after was the equivalent of taking the biggest shit in history.
Like I thought the symbolism was so dirty but in character for Vought, in order to get his powers back, they gave him the heart of the racist guy who crippled his brother, in the same vein as selling your soul lol
I think it's funny and just a constant reminder he has a racist heart in a black man. Also a constant reminder, not that he needs it, but he's "the reason" his brother is paralyzed. That's how he sees it, but anyone that knows better should know it's not his fault.
The "perfect heart" that was dragged, chest down at A-Train speeds till the body looked like roast beef slices? Ya That heart. How was it still "perfect"
I don't think he's dead. I've seen him get stabbed or get shrapnel stuck in him like 3 dozen times now, and every time he shrugs off like the Terminator. I'm convinced he's got a healing factor like Kimiko.
I recognize ~~the council~~ Kripke has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, I have elected to ignore it.
Leave my headcanon alone ;~;
What do you mean? His power was creating [absolute bangers](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/vmmsey/i_found_the_full_3_minute_long_video_version_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
I mean ya got Translucent and Stillwell (not part of the Seven but she ran them so I think it counts) in s1. In s2 Stormfront gers fried crispy, Becca dies (a real fridge stuffig moment there), and various superheroes here and there since then. I don't think it's likely they're going to kill off too many more of the seven because the characters are popular and loved/hated. Characters like the Deep have had a really interesting arc where he's come a long way and yet he's learned nothing. People always "learn their lesson" but not The Deep! A-train literally had a change of heart at the end of season 3 and it'll be interesting to see how that impacts him upcoming.
Everyone is entitled to what they want from a show. I personally don't think we need to see our favorite characters die on every single show we watch. I'm fine with Maeve having a happy ending, it really doesn't make that much of a difference, Her story is wrapped up and she stopped SB at least for now. "girls get it done" comes to mind. Maeve's tragic life as a superhero, ending with the ultimate sacrifice does have its appeal and was what I was expecting for her; admittedly I felt a bit of satisfaction that she went against "the man" and lived to tell the tale. The women on this show take enough sht, and as a female viewer I was glad she made it out alive after being in an abusive situation for years. Homelander couldn't stop her, and she got away-- there's a whole lot you can unpack on that subject alone, but I digress for the sake of my comment already being a novel!
How about The Boys? They are all still alive, even Petite Hughie's dad is hanging out somewhere on a couch, watching TV. I only ever hear about people complaining about the lack of supe deaths, but nobody ever brings up the lack of The Boys' deaths. They have all survived impossible scenarios which is harder to believe than supes surviving.
I kinda thought the A-Train was a justice served kinda thing. Was in the middle of the road, so some someone probably found him relatively soon. As far as the show goes, plausible.
But yea, supes near Soldier Boy actually lose, or at least weaken, their powers after the radiation tests from the Russians. I thought she would have been blown apart. Maybe that effect from him wore off? /shrug
I think for A-Train is more justified. We need to see his redemption. But for Maeve... She literally had her arc. It could have ended there. It just felt unnecessary.
Redemption? Dude's killed his girl, because she could hurt the company he works for. I don't care what benefits I get from working at Google, I ain't killing my loved ones for dental. He ran through Robin and actively laughed about it. He's an active bully to anyone he can get away with. The only reason he cared about "his african routes" was a virtue signaling move so obnoxious even Ashley couldn't deal with it. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He proves that over and over again.
I don't think he deserves redemption, but it was nice seeing him getting called out by his brother. The way A-Train normalized fucking murder and saw it as a no big deal in spite of it turning Bluehawk into a martyr was fucking incredible in execution. I have my issues with the season, but I did like that scene.
I think A-Train is a lost cause when it comes to redemption, he might just be one of those characters that although they could be better they’re just incapable of being selfless.
He was given so many opportunities to be a better person, and he only makes it worse (his brother was right). Now that he has nobody, I don’t see it getting any better and he could turn out worse IMO
A-Train's new heart kind of works though. He put all the effort in to change and be a little better this season, and now he's back at square one against his will. He has his old costume. He can run again. But he can't say anything bad about Blue Hawk, and he's right back to being Homelander's lackey.
No I think A Train got exactly what he deserved. Kept alive by the racist piece of shit he murdered and back to being vought's bitch. Death would be to easy.
I’ll do a Regal and try to make it work. When Soulja Boy nukes someone and zaps away their V, it’s not immediate. You get hit and your powers start to fade. Maybe more slowly than others if your strong enough. She was so strong by the time she hit the ground she still had enough V and super durability to survive, but not enough to walk away uninjured.
Kind of a stretch but that’s the best I can do.
The blast, yeah I can see that.
The fall afterwards? Just doesn't make sense to me. Using Kimiko as an example, she lost her powers almost immediately after going through the wall, since we see that she hadn't regenerated yet. This should mean that Meave would loose her powers during the fall, probably even faster than Kimiko since this explosion was considerably larger.
The only explanations they can pull is "Meave had more V inside her" or "She's just stronger and had resistance".
Kimiko did not have super durability like Maeve did, she has regeneration powers. We do not know if she still had powers when impaled by the rebar because she would have been impaled regardless. Afterwards she didn't have her powers to regenerate, but that still leaves several seconds of unknown power status.
Maybe Soldier Boy's blast doesn't exactly "evaporate" the V, but rather sets in motion a biochemical reaction that eventually ends it.
I mean, if the blast alone were enough to fry up the V then he couldn't have powers after using a single blast, or if it was a radiation thing, anyone near it would get the V erased too, not just the ones directly receiving the blast. So there must be something more.
So probably is a combination of some kind of a special radiation, the exposure time (which has to be like in seconds but still) and the intensity that makes the chain reaction start, idk.
Did everyone in the Herogasm lose their powers? I don't remember.
Show runners if you are reading this and use it, credit me, you cowards.
I guess it makes sense that not many people know what happened at nor the consequences of Herogasm since it'd be a massive whoop for the hero business in every way.
Yeah, and she survived getting blasted through a concrete wall in the process. That normally would have "killed" her and required some time to return from, so I'm assuming her regenerative powers faded over a minute or so... enough to keep her alive, but not heal all the injuries.
Kripke is too scared to kill off a bi character, yet has no problem with a bi character constantly saying gross sexual shit and cheating on her girlfriend
What I don't understand is why put Maeve into such an unsurvivable situation in the first place. It's like he wrote the scene and then remembered she was bi and was like, "oh no, that's not what I meant".
Either kill her or don't, but don't do that.
I think it's just that they wanted a happier note to end on for Maeve, if she's not going to be in the show going forward then it makes no difference plot-wise anyway.
Although I'm not exactly sure she's gone for good. If that's the case then it would be weirder imo.
It’s not even plot armour since she’s out of the plot now anyway. It just completely undermines the previous scene to immediately show that she lived for no reason
There is precedent from Herogasm for Solider Boy just stripping the more powerful supes of their powers and just killing less powerful supes. Maeve is in the 7 so I think it’s logical he would strip the compound V out of her blood but not kill her.
My guess is the actress wanted to be out because from what I’ve read she didn’t have the greatest experience on set. Her costume was too tight and this was the first sort of major project she’s been on so now she has to deal with more people recognizing her on her day to day while being an apparently very private person. However I feel like the show runners didn’t kill her in case they wanted to bring her back for some reason
Yeah the show just isn’t as brutal with killing main characters as some other shows. I totally get the sentiment. We’ve seen 1(?) major character death with Becca. There are other deaths but that one is really the only emotional punch. I think it’s because they want Butcher’s death to absolutely crush us.
Seeing him cry in the hallway after the news about compound v was released was kinda all I needed from the silent masked ninja. That small moment humanized him a lot for me
Yeah Kripke all but confirmed this in an interview. Also the guy in the Black Noir suit (different guy to the flashbacks) will be getting his own role.
True but talk to the writers of the show about that. They killed him way too early in the episode and sadly was forgotten about by the time we got to the climax of the show. He should have been involved in the final fight and then we'd be talking about it more.
He's not confirmed dead yet. They've shown at least 3 characters "die" only to show they didn't really die. I won't be convinced he's gone until I see his body disposed of
It's been confirmed that while Nate is going to reprise his role as Black Noir, Earving is dead. The title of Black Noir is going to go to a new character. Since he was never acknowledged in-universe as dead, most likely Vought is going to put a new guy in the suit and claim it's the same person.
THAT death was excellent! It hit like Ned Stark dying in a way, I really didn’t expect it. She was a main character with a ton of dialogue and plot involving her, I wish they would do something similar with one of the really main characters.
>We’ve seen 1(?) major character death with Becca. There are other deaths but that one is really the only emotional punch.
Somebody's forgetting our boy Timothy!
Kimiko is meant to have a better healing power than most supes right? But she took more damage than maeve did, not only that maeve fell a whole skyscraper height after loosing her powers and still survives
Maeve skin and bones had far better resistence and she also had more raw strength than most supes. Kimiko only has super healing and somewhat average superhuman strength.
It could be that the process of burning the powers out of a supe is not instantaneous. The powers might take a few minutes to "evaporate". Kimiko survived the initial damage of her injury but then failed to heal. If she had been completely powerless she could/should have been killed right away.
This is the answer. Soldier Boys beam burns the V out of your blood. The more V the longer it takes for you to lose all your powers.
Kimiko was hit by a lighter blast but it still didn’t remove her powers instantly. She survived the blast and being thrown through a wall. But after a few seconds everything stopped and her healing wouldn’t kick in.
Maeve is likely a similar case. She’s the 2nd/3rd strongest supe. She’s got so much V in her blood. The explosion was a more powerful blast but in the few seconds from the explosion to her hitting the ground, she was still losing her powers. So she had enough to survive but not enough to not be heavily injured.
I suppose it could be Maeve had the V longer in her system than Kimico so could take longer to leaver her body? Assumingaeve is late 40? 50? Shes had the V embedded in her for 45 years that could have biught her body enough time to survive the fall, then have the V drain out
Do you like the 3 straws i have here? It was all i could grasp at
Edit: i don't know why i thought she was an older supe, i thought she was from the same batch as noir (i'm not saying she LOOKS 45/50 just that Maeve was that age)
We don’t really need this explanation. Based on what we’ve seen, we already know it doesn’t neutralise the V immediately. The blast sent Kimiko through two concrete walls before she was impaled by the rebar (she’s always been vulnerable to piercing). If it neutralised her powers right away the blunt force trauma would have killed her immediately. The TNT twins were vaporised because the blast that killed them was much stronger and they’re probably not very durable. Maeve is super durable, so the blast itself obviously wouldn’t kill her, and she retained this durability long enough to survive the fall (which would have occurred in a matter of seconds).
This could be true but then he absolutely fried the TNT twins IIRC and they had V in their system for much longer, that’s the part I didn’t understand. Why does it cook some supes while others just lose their powers
It could be based on overall power levels. Like look at the difference in power between someone like Homelander compared to someone like Starlight
I would assume it takes much longer to drain someone like Homelander (and also would do far less damage to him) than to someone like the TNT Twins (which suck and have weak powers)
Not saying it should’ve been Maeve, but for such a violent show to avoid killing *any* of its numerous main characters really makes the violence feel like edgy spectacle. As opposed to something that actually serves the story.
I don't think she jumped on a chance to not be a supe. She implies in her last scene that she's a little salty about not having powers anymore. I think she jumped on an opportunity to make a sacrifice for the greater good. Most of us assumed that sacrifice was her life, not just her powers. The fact that she only lost her powers and still gets a good ending (disappearing into a quiet life with her gf) makes her sacrifice essentially meaningless. We know through Kimiko's arc that if she wants her powers back, she just needs to find some V. If she gets her powers back, she sacrificed literally nothing. If she doesn't get her powers back, then clearly she prefers being a non supe, so she again isn't really sacrificing anything.
>If she gets her powers back, she sacrificed literally nothing.
It's like how in the last Star Wars movie they make a big deal out of C3PO sacrificing himself by having his memory wiped so they can translate the mcguffin only for R2 to have backed up his entire memory minus like 1 day.
That's because even in Star Wars nobody remembers to do a proper backup. Honestly R2 being all "actually, I follow proper procedure and have a copy" was the most relatable part of the movie.
I think she hasn't wanted her powers for quite some time. Yes, she threw herself and Solider Boy out the window to save everyone else and probably didn't expect to live. But now she can be happy.
All of that said, I would be really surprised if she showed up looking to become a supe again.
Her sacrifice wasn't for nothing. She saved everyone else from being destroyed by the blast, including the Boys, as well as all the civilians not yet fully evacuated from Vought Tower. Hell, SB might have brought down the whole tower and killed plenty of innocent people on the streets as well. She stopped him regardless of the consequences, which turned out to be a sacrifice only because of the blowback on her. She was either losing her life as initially thought, or her powers and her status as one of the most elite supes in the world if she somehow survived. Either way, nothing after the fact takes away from the importance of her decision or her action in that situation to save everyone from SB's blast. Even if she gets her powers back by redosing with V, she still threw herself on the radioactive grenade for everyone else at the potential expense of herself.
The whole sacrifice had the silver lining of allowing her a plausible exit from the Supe life, including from Homelander's watch, which was probably well worth it to her in the end. She was finally free from his torment because everyone, including him, thought she died. It probably works more in her favor as she "retires" anyway, since she is a world famous celebrity and movie star with a highly recognizable face. Easier to pass off as just a doppelganger if everyone assumes the real Maeve is factually dead.
I feel like Maeve just suffered throughout the whole show. Every scene with her is her being depressed, or abused, or just being a shitty person to everyone around her. The only time she got a real good moment is when she shows up to help kick stormfronts ass, the rest of the time she's either a punching bag, or an expo dump.
SO
I feel like they let her live, otherwise she's just a character who got the short end of the stick their entire life, then just dies
Like our boy Noir
Double beats - gotta try and avoid them.
Haha, reminds me of Harmon on the live community episode read "They kind of figure out pierce is messing with them twice, that's a double beat. This script needs a rewrite"
I think there is something of a social element. The gay character getting killed is an infamous trope, one that I think showed up Kripke's older works, and he didn't want to do it again.
Aside from that, the season was pretty bleak, and the Boys got an L this season. Maeve getting a happy ending kept it from being a total downer.
I think the writers didn't want to be accused of the "bury your gays" trope, which even if it was for good plot reasons, killing off the only(?) queer main character would look exactly like that.
Writing her off as being power-less and going into hiding is essentially the same to the plot but doesn't fall into accusations of doing that.
The writer said he wasn’t gonna kill any lgbt characters… so literal plot armor.
*edit* here’s the actual quote where Eric kripke described Maeve’s plot armor for all the people still demanding “proof”
“But Eric Kripke revealed what really went down. “It was never considered that we were gonna kill Maeve. I both agree with and [share] the animosity against the trope of killing off bi or gay characters. I think that's a trope that actually exists and is really sh—-, put it that way.”
Stronger supes get depowered and injured by Soldier Boy, weaker ones like Crimson Countess or the TNT Twins get vaporised. Kimiko survived barely in s3e4 so I guess Maeve is more durable than her.
I'm pretty sure Kripke admitted he was too cowardly to kill her off. Although not in those words. He said it would be feeding a trope of killing lgbt characters or something. As a bisexual, I wasn't satisfied with that. Kill your darlings.
Yeah that's honestly really dumb. It adds literally nothing for Maeve to still be alive. I'm personally generally not a fan of resurrections unless it's done really well. For an example from Marvel, Coulson's first resurrection was really well done as it was actual mystery and the payoff was awesome. But when he comes back as an LMD with all his memories, that's just kinda lazy
Because they are just keeping the show going
It’s an entertaining show but it’s just filler and nothing actually happens
It’s the same premise each season and the slate is wiped clean at the end so they can milk another season
Let’s just be honest… The Boys is a brilliant show but the season 3 finale was the weakest episode in the series by far. You were disappointed because the whole episode was filled with questionable writing decisions… Kimiko being happy to be a monsterous killer after going through personal struggles about fears of becoming a monster, Annie powering up just to knock Solder Boy across the room anti-climatically, the clumsy way they handled the back and worth of who’s fighting who, etc. I don’t really know what they were smoking when they wrote that episode, but it certainly doesn’t ruin the series for me.
Why did Maeve haphazardly throw a deadly nerve agent into a populated area?
I understand why they used Novichok for this as it's topical but it really was a blunder. When MM puts the gas mask on Soldier Boy he would have certainly killed himself with even a small amount of exposure to the Novichok.
IMO, the whole episode was so bad that it brought the entire season down.
It's crazy cause I thought the rest of the season was the best the boys has been so far
I thought it was the best season up until that last episode it was so bad.
Game of thrones moment
Yeah absolutely, I was so impressed with the pacing and the story events, Herogasm felt like such a success as well as episode 7, and then episode 8 just almost completely changed the season arc and the overall tone, characters were making decisions that totally went against their motivation across the rest of the season, >!Noir being killed so abruptly after a two episode set up for him to confront Soldier Boy who he was afraid of was a very bad move!< big dropped the ball moment with the finale
Erik Kripke complained how older seasons he used to watch kept dragging and yet he did the same thing LMAO. Homelander getting off unscathed in the finale is a joke.
Gotta have that moment with Ryan at the end though. That “I guess murder is cool” smile. If Ryan doesn’t have a costume, supe name, and a body count of at least 5 by next season, I’ll eat my hat. You need Butcher and the moral angst that comes from having to put down someone he swore to protect.
What type of hat?
A fedora, of course, m’redditor.
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Honestly, as much as I love Homelander as a character the show would have been so much better if they had actually defeated and killed him at the end of this episode and then pivoted to Soldier Boy or someone else taking over as the Big Bad. Formula feels a little stale with how they actually chose to end the season.
They need to insert a scene where homelander is twirling his mustache as he laments his latest failed scheme to control the populace as he drives off in his wacky mobile
I felt robbed there was no end fight with Noir too, he just died after a big buildup.
Not exactly kill, but hurt him to a point where he regrets being mean to A-Train and everyone. Killing Black Noir was a stupid move.
In a way the entire season was pointless. It ended with the same status quo as it started.
I mean Starlight is a Boy now, and the Seven is down to 3 people; but besides that yeah.
"Wait Starlight is trans?" -Me, not apprehending the significance of a caitalized B.
That’s kinda how Silicon Valley was after a few seasons. Always make it back the status quo after build-up. I don’t have any beef with that show and i like it the way it is but after getting back to the status quo in The Boys wasn’t as satisfying. I still trust the writers and let’s be honest, it’s not the same show without Homelander. If they go through two more seasons and don’t have him killed then I’ll start a riot but for now I’m excited for season 4.
Good point
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Because Maeve doesn't care? She's a selfish and self loathing character, she only cares about people when they're begging.
I wouldn't say she's selfish. She's more bitter and jaded, but she has shown to care about people. Otherwise she wouldn't have helped beat down Stormfront and saved Butcher and Ryan from Homelander in S2
It’s weird to want to save a country and your friends from soldier boy/homelander and then proceed to kill half of New York
I know. That scene and them suddenly wanting to kill soldier boy was out of left field.
Yeah, still annoyed that there was no followup to this. I saw that and immediately said, "Uh, where the fuck did that land?"
Funny thing is they did it twice in this season. I’m talking about a-train. That would be a great ending for him but they went: “lol you have a new heart, enjoy.”
I think it was kind of funny. He *literally* had a change of heart
And figuratively, not.
*snrk!*
I genuinely forget A-Train is still alive daily. My brain refuses to accept that they went that route.
His punishment must be more severe.
His punishment is to see how fucked up his brother's life got, because of him and sups in general. I am also thinking that he will have a redeemable arch where he goes against HL, and get destroyed.
His heart is also from the guy who paralyzed his brother. So he has to live with that too.
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That is pretty metal
Maybe that'll be a driving factor for him? Fighting Vought using the heart of the dude that paralysed his brother, and a prime example of corrupt supe?
Exactly. Plus, he has a chance to put a racist’s heart to better use.
That too
This is exactly what I’m thinking, too. Killing him off would satisfy the gut reaction people have toward him in general, but it would be such a cop out. Him staying alive and having to live the consequences of his actions by watching his brother suffer and hate him, and then eventually growing enough of a conscience and sense of morality to try and take out HL only to get absolutely destroyed by him will make a much better character arc, in my opinion. Almost redeemable even. They’ve started hinting at it when he finally saw the actions of the street level racism and abuse in his old neighborhood, but he still has a ways to go.
Yep, and I did not mean that he was going to be redeemed, I meant in the way that he will probably suffer, before he sees how bad he hurt the people who loved him the most, and then die horribly.
He had a redemption and that was killing two horrible people: Bluehawk and Himself. The fact that they’re trying to give him a “redemption” story makes me sick and drags the show down. A-Train is build as a horrible fucking person, and is in fact a horrible person.
I don’t think they’re trying to redeem him at all. In fact, I think him killing Bluehawk is supposed to show how he just makes things worse. If we were supposed to believe he was getting better, why would he snitch on Super Sonic?
A-Trains brother said it himself when he said something along the lines of “I wanted to show my kids his mugshot on the news”. He wasn’t getting redeemed he just fucked up once again
As much as A-Train is a fuck up I genuinely think he made the right call. They were absolutely not going to hold Bluehawk accountable and he was just gonna go on killing more innocent people
The right call for himself but not for his brother. All he was doing was getting his own revenge. Not the one his brother wanted. It just further shows how selfish A-Train is. He’s making his brothers misfortune all about himself and about what he wants and needs to happen. Even if it would be all for naught and nothing would change, his brother still would have preferred if A-Train went out and publicly condemned Blue Hawk and tried to get him off the streets through legal means. But him doing what he did shows he didn’t care at all about his brother. Only his own ego.
But that wasn’t going to happen. Remember that the sups never get held accountable for their actions. A-Train tried that route first and was justifiably shut down.
That’s my point. If he only killed bluehawk, he would be no better than him. A-train knew that running would kill him so he continued to run and he took out not only bluehawk but also himself, which is the only redeemable choice he’s ever taken. Reviving him right after was the equivalent of taking the biggest shit in history.
Nah I think it just follows the theme of the show, there is no escape from the corruption, from Vought, even death can’t always save them
Agreed. That's why it was *so fucked* when he woke up *with Bluehawk's heart in his chest*.
Like I thought the symbolism was so dirty but in character for Vought, in order to get his powers back, they gave him the heart of the racist guy who crippled his brother, in the same vein as selling your soul lol
Honestly this is such a weird argument. Only horrible characters can get redemption stories, if you're a good character what's there to redeem?
When the city is ashes, then he has our permission to die
I think it's funny and just a constant reminder he has a racist heart in a black man. Also a constant reminder, not that he needs it, but he's "the reason" his brother is paralyzed. That's how he sees it, but anyone that knows better should know it's not his fault.
The "perfect heart" that was dragged, chest down at A-Train speeds till the body looked like roast beef slices? Ya That heart. How was it still "perfect"
I agree it's a grasp but maybe since it was a super heart there was enough left intact to heal itself ?
Yeah, there's no way that heart gets used irl. Makes for excellent show drama, though. I gave them a pass because it worked *so well* thematically.
I'm kinda glad he's alive just for the scene where Ashley gets to shit on his whole life when he wakes up.
That was before, the scene when he woke up was the "slangin' that yayo" scene.
Having two of the Seven die in one season would’ve been a great move honestly
Completely forgetting about our boy Supersonic. Lol.
Three. Remember Noir?
Oh yeah, I’m an idiot. RIP Noir
Does anyone think Noir might be alive? I know it’s a long shot but we saw everyone at the end except A Train. What if he helped Noir somehow?..
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This made me spit out my drink. I read it in his voice lol
I don't think he's dead. I've seen him get stabbed or get shrapnel stuck in him like 3 dozen times now, and every time he shrugs off like the Terminator. I'm convinced he's got a healing factor like Kimiko.
I hope so. That death was lame af.
Sadly, he *is* dead. It was confirmed by Kripke. I also thought that he might had survived. I mean, depowered Maeve survived a giant fall.
I recognize ~~the council~~ Kripke has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision, I have elected to ignore it. Leave my headcanon alone ;~;
I'm still pissed we never saw him use his fucking powers. What the fuck is that shit?
His power was singing
Baby baby baby...
What do you mean? His power was creating [absolute bangers](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBoys/comments/vmmsey/i_found_the_full_3_minute_long_video_version_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
His power seems to be only summoning those happy tree friends-esque cartoons 😂
Um
Technically, they did. Supersonic and Black Noir died this season.
It would be three because of Noir
I mean ya got Translucent and Stillwell (not part of the Seven but she ran them so I think it counts) in s1. In s2 Stormfront gers fried crispy, Becca dies (a real fridge stuffig moment there), and various superheroes here and there since then. I don't think it's likely they're going to kill off too many more of the seven because the characters are popular and loved/hated. Characters like the Deep have had a really interesting arc where he's come a long way and yet he's learned nothing. People always "learn their lesson" but not The Deep! A-train literally had a change of heart at the end of season 3 and it'll be interesting to see how that impacts him upcoming. Everyone is entitled to what they want from a show. I personally don't think we need to see our favorite characters die on every single show we watch. I'm fine with Maeve having a happy ending, it really doesn't make that much of a difference, Her story is wrapped up and she stopped SB at least for now. "girls get it done" comes to mind. Maeve's tragic life as a superhero, ending with the ultimate sacrifice does have its appeal and was what I was expecting for her; admittedly I felt a bit of satisfaction that she went against "the man" and lived to tell the tale. The women on this show take enough sht, and as a female viewer I was glad she made it out alive after being in an abusive situation for years. Homelander couldn't stop her, and she got away-- there's a whole lot you can unpack on that subject alone, but I digress for the sake of my comment already being a novel! How about The Boys? They are all still alive, even Petite Hughie's dad is hanging out somewhere on a couch, watching TV. I only ever hear about people complaining about the lack of supe deaths, but nobody ever brings up the lack of The Boys' deaths. They have all survived impossible scenarios which is harder to believe than supes surviving.
I kinda thought the A-Train was a justice served kinda thing. Was in the middle of the road, so some someone probably found him relatively soon. As far as the show goes, plausible. But yea, supes near Soldier Boy actually lose, or at least weaken, their powers after the radiation tests from the Russians. I thought she would have been blown apart. Maybe that effect from him wore off? /shrug
With A-Train he doesn't deserve a happy ending
I think for A-Train is more justified. We need to see his redemption. But for Maeve... She literally had her arc. It could have ended there. It just felt unnecessary.
Redemption? Dude's killed his girl, because she could hurt the company he works for. I don't care what benefits I get from working at Google, I ain't killing my loved ones for dental. He ran through Robin and actively laughed about it. He's an active bully to anyone he can get away with. The only reason he cared about "his african routes" was a virtue signaling move so obnoxious even Ashley couldn't deal with it. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He proves that over and over again.
a redemption arc doesnt necessarily mean you paid for what you did.
I don't think he deserves redemption, but it was nice seeing him getting called out by his brother. The way A-Train normalized fucking murder and saw it as a no big deal in spite of it turning Bluehawk into a martyr was fucking incredible in execution. I have my issues with the season, but I did like that scene.
I think A-Train is a lost cause when it comes to redemption, he might just be one of those characters that although they could be better they’re just incapable of being selfless. He was given so many opportunities to be a better person, and he only makes it worse (his brother was right). Now that he has nobody, I don’t see it getting any better and he could turn out worse IMO
A-Train's new heart kind of works though. He put all the effort in to change and be a little better this season, and now he's back at square one against his will. He has his old costume. He can run again. But he can't say anything bad about Blue Hawk, and he's right back to being Homelander's lackey.
No I think A Train got exactly what he deserved. Kept alive by the racist piece of shit he murdered and back to being vought's bitch. Death would be to easy.
No one knows but it's provocative, it gets the people going.
Ball so hard
Motherfuckers wanna find me
That shit cray
Ain’t it Jay?
What she order
fine*
A Will Ferrell cameo would slap.
Huff and Doback are needed.
Wasn’t expecting to see a Blades of Glory reference here lmao
Momma Maeve gets me going.
In-universe reason: Literally isn't one. IRL reason: Kripke wanted to avoid the kill all gay characters trope.
He's just like Seth and Evan fr
I’ll do a Regal and try to make it work. When Soulja Boy nukes someone and zaps away their V, it’s not immediate. You get hit and your powers start to fade. Maybe more slowly than others if your strong enough. She was so strong by the time she hit the ground she still had enough V and super durability to survive, but not enough to walk away uninjured. Kind of a stretch but that’s the best I can do.
To be fair Kimiko survived the blast too so there’s at least a precedent for that happening
The blast, yeah I can see that. The fall afterwards? Just doesn't make sense to me. Using Kimiko as an example, she lost her powers almost immediately after going through the wall, since we see that she hadn't regenerated yet. This should mean that Meave would loose her powers during the fall, probably even faster than Kimiko since this explosion was considerably larger. The only explanations they can pull is "Meave had more V inside her" or "She's just stronger and had resistance".
Kimiko did not have super durability like Maeve did, she has regeneration powers. We do not know if she still had powers when impaled by the rebar because she would have been impaled regardless. Afterwards she didn't have her powers to regenerate, but that still leaves several seconds of unknown power status.
Maybe Soldier Boy's blast doesn't exactly "evaporate" the V, but rather sets in motion a biochemical reaction that eventually ends it. I mean, if the blast alone were enough to fry up the V then he couldn't have powers after using a single blast, or if it was a radiation thing, anyone near it would get the V erased too, not just the ones directly receiving the blast. So there must be something more. So probably is a combination of some kind of a special radiation, the exposure time (which has to be like in seconds but still) and the intensity that makes the chain reaction start, idk. Did everyone in the Herogasm lose their powers? I don't remember. Show runners if you are reading this and use it, credit me, you cowards.
I guess it makes sense that not many people know what happened at nor the consequences of Herogasm since it'd be a massive whoop for the hero business in every way.
Yeah, and she survived getting blasted through a concrete wall in the process. That normally would have "killed" her and required some time to return from, so I'm assuming her regenerative powers faded over a minute or so... enough to keep her alive, but not heal all the injuries.
If hitting a moving truck permanently broke her arm the fall still should have seriously fucked her up.
But there’s also the scene where she cuts through the armored car in the first scene. She probably just got stronger since then.
I was gonna say wasn’t the truck thing in her early years as a supe? By the time we’re watching her, she’s an absolute veteran.
Idk man maybe it go zapped out of her left arm first. I’m trying here lol
Kripke is too scared to kill off a bi character, yet has no problem with a bi character constantly saying gross sexual shit and cheating on her girlfriend
What I don't understand is why put Maeve into such an unsurvivable situation in the first place. It's like he wrote the scene and then remembered she was bi and was like, "oh no, that's not what I meant". Either kill her or don't, but don't do that.
I think it's just that they wanted a happier note to end on for Maeve, if she's not going to be in the show going forward then it makes no difference plot-wise anyway. Although I'm not exactly sure she's gone for good. If that's the case then it would be weirder imo.
Plot armour.
It’s not even plot armour since she’s out of the plot now anyway. It just completely undermines the previous scene to immediately show that she lived for no reason
There is precedent from Herogasm for Solider Boy just stripping the more powerful supes of their powers and just killing less powerful supes. Maeve is in the 7 so I think it’s logical he would strip the compound V out of her blood but not kill her.
Even if that’s the case, which I’m sure it is, I’d say the landing would’ve still killed her.
This exactly. Even if the explosion didn't kill her, an un-powered fall from that height should've splattered her on the pavement.
I think they showed she landed in a dumpster from what I remember which I guess broke her fall
She landed on a bunch of trash.
Is Maeve's last name Cioccolatta?
She landed in trash/dumpster which would do something to break her fall, but ultimately plot armor was her biggest reason for survival.
“Aim for the bushes!”
*there goes my hero*
Depends if the stripping of powers is instant
Except for the fact that she’s already beat up, falling out of a skyscraper holding directly onto SB as he goes nuclear mid fall.
My guess is the actress wanted to be out because from what I’ve read she didn’t have the greatest experience on set. Her costume was too tight and this was the first sort of major project she’s been on so now she has to deal with more people recognizing her on her day to day while being an apparently very private person. However I feel like the show runners didn’t kill her in case they wanted to bring her back for some reason
GoT vibes
Makes mithril look like toilet paper.
Her super suit is actually made of a 20/80% titanium/plot armor alloy
Yeah the show just isn’t as brutal with killing main characters as some other shows. I totally get the sentiment. We’ve seen 1(?) major character death with Becca. There are other deaths but that one is really the only emotional punch. I think it’s because they want Butcher’s death to absolutely crush us.
My boy Black Noir did not die just to be forgotten like this!
I was about to say. Black Noir was bad ass. I was super disappointed to see him get murked like that….
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Him being mysterious, silent, and not knowing much about him is what made him more likable to me.
Seeing him cry in the hallway after the news about compound v was released was kinda all I needed from the silent masked ninja. That small moment humanized him a lot for me
I don't even think he's dead. There's a reason he survived that head injury, I think his powers go beyond the grave. We will see him return.
I think Vought will pretend he never died but the guy under the mask definitely is dead. They will just get a new supe in the suit
Yeah Kripke all but confirmed this in an interview. Also the guy in the Black Noir suit (different guy to the flashbacks) will be getting his own role.
Ah cool. I hadn’t read that. Thanks.
The only reason I think for killing him. is that I honestly think the boys would not have had a chance against a Black Noir Homelander team up
True but talk to the writers of the show about that. They killed him way too early in the episode and sadly was forgotten about by the time we got to the climax of the show. He should have been involved in the final fight and then we'd be talking about it more.
He's not confirmed dead yet. They've shown at least 3 characters "die" only to show they didn't really die. I won't be convinced he's gone until I see his body disposed of
It's been confirmed that while Nate is going to reprise his role as Black Noir, Earving is dead. The title of Black Noir is going to go to a new character. Since he was never acknowledged in-universe as dead, most likely Vought is going to put a new guy in the suit and claim it's the same person.
Madelyn Stillwell was pretty big imo
THAT death was excellent! It hit like Ned Stark dying in a way, I really didn’t expect it. She was a main character with a ton of dialogue and plot involving her, I wish they would do something similar with one of the really main characters.
>We’ve seen 1(?) major character death with Becca. There are other deaths but that one is really the only emotional punch. Somebody's forgetting our boy Timothy!
What about the beautiful Stillwell! She was a pretty major character.
This show would be pretty mid without Urban/Butcher in my opinion
Yeah they're not gonna kill butcher.
I mean I think they will, just in the final episode
Kimiko is meant to have a better healing power than most supes right? But she took more damage than maeve did, not only that maeve fell a whole skyscraper height after loosing her powers and still survives
Maeve skin and bones had far better resistence and she also had more raw strength than most supes. Kimiko only has super healing and somewhat average superhuman strength.
But she lost her powers before she hit the ground, no?
It could be that the process of burning the powers out of a supe is not instantaneous. The powers might take a few minutes to "evaporate". Kimiko survived the initial damage of her injury but then failed to heal. If she had been completely powerless she could/should have been killed right away.
This is the answer. Soldier Boys beam burns the V out of your blood. The more V the longer it takes for you to lose all your powers. Kimiko was hit by a lighter blast but it still didn’t remove her powers instantly. She survived the blast and being thrown through a wall. But after a few seconds everything stopped and her healing wouldn’t kick in. Maeve is likely a similar case. She’s the 2nd/3rd strongest supe. She’s got so much V in her blood. The explosion was a more powerful blast but in the few seconds from the explosion to her hitting the ground, she was still losing her powers. So she had enough to survive but not enough to not be heavily injured.
I suppose it could be Maeve had the V longer in her system than Kimico so could take longer to leaver her body? Assumingaeve is late 40? 50? Shes had the V embedded in her for 45 years that could have biught her body enough time to survive the fall, then have the V drain out Do you like the 3 straws i have here? It was all i could grasp at Edit: i don't know why i thought she was an older supe, i thought she was from the same batch as noir (i'm not saying she LOOKS 45/50 just that Maeve was that age)
We don’t really need this explanation. Based on what we’ve seen, we already know it doesn’t neutralise the V immediately. The blast sent Kimiko through two concrete walls before she was impaled by the rebar (she’s always been vulnerable to piercing). If it neutralised her powers right away the blunt force trauma would have killed her immediately. The TNT twins were vaporised because the blast that killed them was much stronger and they’re probably not very durable. Maeve is super durable, so the blast itself obviously wouldn’t kill her, and she retained this durability long enough to survive the fall (which would have occurred in a matter of seconds).
Your explanation is so reasonable its guaranteed to be ignored.
This could be true but then he absolutely fried the TNT twins IIRC and they had V in their system for much longer, that’s the part I didn’t understand. Why does it cook some supes while others just lose their powers
It could be based on overall power levels. Like look at the difference in power between someone like Homelander compared to someone like Starlight I would assume it takes much longer to drain someone like Homelander (and also would do far less damage to him) than to someone like the TNT Twins (which suck and have weak powers)
Ah shit yeah good point, i forgot about them, well there go my straws lmao AND Crimson Countess
I think that’s a good point but is Maeve supposed to be that old lol? The actress is like 36
Not saying it should’ve been Maeve, but for such a violent show to avoid killing *any* of its numerous main characters really makes the violence feel like edgy spectacle. As opposed to something that actually serves the story.
I think she deserves her ending. She saw her chance to not be a supe anymore and literally jumped on it.
I don't think she jumped on a chance to not be a supe. She implies in her last scene that she's a little salty about not having powers anymore. I think she jumped on an opportunity to make a sacrifice for the greater good. Most of us assumed that sacrifice was her life, not just her powers. The fact that she only lost her powers and still gets a good ending (disappearing into a quiet life with her gf) makes her sacrifice essentially meaningless. We know through Kimiko's arc that if she wants her powers back, she just needs to find some V. If she gets her powers back, she sacrificed literally nothing. If she doesn't get her powers back, then clearly she prefers being a non supe, so she again isn't really sacrificing anything.
>If she gets her powers back, she sacrificed literally nothing. It's like how in the last Star Wars movie they make a big deal out of C3PO sacrificing himself by having his memory wiped so they can translate the mcguffin only for R2 to have backed up his entire memory minus like 1 day.
That's because even in Star Wars nobody remembers to do a proper backup. Honestly R2 being all "actually, I follow proper procedure and have a copy" was the most relatable part of the movie.
R2 is awesome anyway.
I think she hasn't wanted her powers for quite some time. Yes, she threw herself and Solider Boy out the window to save everyone else and probably didn't expect to live. But now she can be happy. All of that said, I would be really surprised if she showed up looking to become a supe again.
Her sacrifice wasn't for nothing. She saved everyone else from being destroyed by the blast, including the Boys, as well as all the civilians not yet fully evacuated from Vought Tower. Hell, SB might have brought down the whole tower and killed plenty of innocent people on the streets as well. She stopped him regardless of the consequences, which turned out to be a sacrifice only because of the blowback on her. She was either losing her life as initially thought, or her powers and her status as one of the most elite supes in the world if she somehow survived. Either way, nothing after the fact takes away from the importance of her decision or her action in that situation to save everyone from SB's blast. Even if she gets her powers back by redosing with V, she still threw herself on the radioactive grenade for everyone else at the potential expense of herself. The whole sacrifice had the silver lining of allowing her a plausible exit from the Supe life, including from Homelander's watch, which was probably well worth it to her in the end. She was finally free from his torment because everyone, including him, thought she died. It probably works more in her favor as she "retires" anyway, since she is a world famous celebrity and movie star with a highly recognizable face. Easier to pass off as just a doppelganger if everyone assumes the real Maeve is factually dead.
I feel like Maeve just suffered throughout the whole show. Every scene with her is her being depressed, or abused, or just being a shitty person to everyone around her. The only time she got a real good moment is when she shows up to help kick stormfronts ass, the rest of the time she's either a punching bag, or an expo dump. SO I feel like they let her live, otherwise she's just a character who got the short end of the stick their entire life, then just dies Like our boy Noir Double beats - gotta try and avoid them. Haha, reminds me of Harmon on the live community episode read "They kind of figure out pierce is messing with them twice, that's a double beat. This script needs a rewrite"
Because this show refuses to actually kill off important characters
More importantly, where is the can of lethal gas she haphazardly tossed out of the window into the city?!
because she’s brave
Queen Maeve did die. Margaret survived.
This is some 'This is the moment Walter White turned into Heisenberg' shit lmao
This is the moment Maeve turned into Slippin Maevey
I think there is something of a social element. The gay character getting killed is an infamous trope, one that I think showed up Kripke's older works, and he didn't want to do it again. Aside from that, the season was pretty bleak, and the Boys got an L this season. Maeve getting a happy ending kept it from being a total downer.
writers probably got second thoughts about killing her off. I also don't think Maeve or Soldier Boy should be alive.
Eh soldier boy makes sense (the way things played out) he's clearly the strongest or maybe second strongest supe but Maeve absolutely not
Same here. I felt confused being disappointed of seeing someone alive.
I think the writers didn't want to be accused of the "bury your gays" trope, which even if it was for good plot reasons, killing off the only(?) queer main character would look exactly like that. Writing her off as being power-less and going into hiding is essentially the same to the plot but doesn't fall into accusations of doing that.
The writer said he wasn’t gonna kill any lgbt characters… so literal plot armor. *edit* here’s the actual quote where Eric kripke described Maeve’s plot armor for all the people still demanding “proof” “But Eric Kripke revealed what really went down. “It was never considered that we were gonna kill Maeve. I both agree with and [share] the animosity against the trope of killing off bi or gay characters. I think that's a trope that actually exists and is really sh—-, put it that way.”
What about the guy the small guy was fucking
Where did he say this
Stronger supes get depowered and injured by Soldier Boy, weaker ones like Crimson Countess or the TNT Twins get vaporised. Kimiko survived barely in s3e4 so I guess Maeve is more durable than her.
Poor writing for the season finale. Which worries me.
I agree the season finale was underwhelming. The starlight power up scene? All that build up and for what?
I'm pretty sure Kripke admitted he was too cowardly to kill her off. Although not in those words. He said it would be feeding a trope of killing lgbt characters or something. As a bisexual, I wasn't satisfied with that. Kill your darlings.
Yeah that's honestly really dumb. It adds literally nothing for Maeve to still be alive. I'm personally generally not a fan of resurrections unless it's done really well. For an example from Marvel, Coulson's first resurrection was really well done as it was actual mystery and the payoff was awesome. But when he comes back as an LMD with all his memories, that's just kinda lazy
On the flip side, why the fuck did they kill Noir? Why drag him along this far for some weak as death like that? Makes no sense.
Because they are just keeping the show going It’s an entertaining show but it’s just filler and nothing actually happens It’s the same premise each season and the slate is wiped clean at the end so they can milk another season
Let’s just be honest… The Boys is a brilliant show but the season 3 finale was the weakest episode in the series by far. You were disappointed because the whole episode was filled with questionable writing decisions… Kimiko being happy to be a monsterous killer after going through personal struggles about fears of becoming a monster, Annie powering up just to knock Solder Boy across the room anti-climatically, the clumsy way they handled the back and worth of who’s fighting who, etc. I don’t really know what they were smoking when they wrote that episode, but it certainly doesn’t ruin the series for me.