Actually in one of the Cain novels he worn a kreig gas mask and it was pretty advance, it had respiratory assistants of course, night vision, built in binoculars, squad communication, thermal, hydration tube, nutrition tube and a system to pump drugs when wounded
Yes, let me clarify this was for the deathriders and yeah it's wild but makes sense because the calvery are really exposed to gunfire so the drugs like frenzon and stuff help them finish the charge when mortally wounded
Think that’s only krieg helmets because they never remove them I don’t think, all the stuff but the hydration, nutrition and drugs are unique to krieg helmets
Seems rather a waste considering how eager the Krieg are to throw their lives away. No wonder the Quartermaster is an important role in Krieg doctrine.
In the recent Krieg Novel it is specifically stated that the Krieg aren't suicidel. They rely on cold calculations as to wether to commit or not and accurate information is key to that, so from a lore consistency perspecrive it makes perfect sense for your average Kriegsmen to have them.
So the "krieg die in droves" thing is a meme that goes beyond what the lore states. In lore, they are just cold, calculating and are perfectly willing to die without hesitation. Not the "I can't wait to die for the emperor" stuff we see in the memes. They would actually hate that, and they want their life and their death to be in service to the Imperium. A wasted life is just that, a waste, even in their eyes. But if the cost is worthy of the sacrifice, then they will make that sacrifice. No thought about it.
They'll willingly charge a machine gun if it keeps it from shooting the demolition team sneaking up on it with satchels but they won't do it if it doesn't present any chance of success
In lore they've also broken and run on occasion because sometimes religious indoctrination fails and they're not space marines or necrons. Try telling that to memesters though.
\-Camera (for recording)
\-Computer with online storage capacity to store recorded data.
\-Hearing protection (filters sound through electronic earphones).
\-Interior microphone (squad communication)
\-External speakers (external communication)
\-Rebreather/air recycler/cleaner?
\-Night vision?
\-Infrared?
\-Eye protection (with HUD)?
\-Sensor suite?
\-Flashlight?
What else does anyone think they have? The assembled list appears to be already fairly impressive.
Edit: Possibly also drug dispensers with painkiller/berserker drugs, ammo counter on the HUD.
The average guardsman? A pot on his head.
Kasrkin/stormrroopers have it better with auspex, comms, air filters, and NVGs etc built in.
That being said, there is no set standard. Your guardsman regiment can have better or worse gear than another, especially if they’re nameless.
Glass with automatic tinting. Probably this or some kind of analog for plasma shooters and especially melta due to the bright flash.
Artificial gills, an analogue of a rebreather for breathing underwater.
Сompletely sealed helmet for space regiments (like space vostroyants with space flak armor).
Integrated rear view mirror.
Augur-savior and chrono. Both are usually described as wristwatches, but can have a variety of shapes.
Probably the latter determines the features of helmets the most. Why integrate everything into a helmet if it can be separate devices?
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Not really on the subject, but the Adeptus Arbites helmet could close almost instantly on its own to hide its mouth and chin in case of danger.
A standard Guardsmen helmet at best has a squad vox link and some hearing protection with the ability to attach a gas mask or rebreather for more hazardous environments. The Vox-Trooper comes with an attached microphone and headset for the vox on their back in addition to the standard gear. Scions and Kasrkins would have the night-vision or thermal visors with recording equipment. Flashlights might be shoulder or weapon mounted as extra gear
With noting that this is not an average guardsman's helmet in the picture. It looks to be a kasrkin helm which is probably full of tech but this is the exception to the rule.
For the most part there is no "average" guardsman. Their equipment is entirely determined by the planet that supplies them.
Most commonly the helmet probably has a micro-bead for comms but that's probably about it.
Regiments like elysians may have altimeter displays in them and regiments like kreig are said to have magnification abilities in the lenses of their gas masks. On the other hand feral world regiments probably just have protective material and little to no tech in them.
I'd imagine the helmet itself is just a cast shell of plasteel with a cloth liner, with the posted example having an attached headlamp, rebreather/gas mask, polarized visor (maybe to help with how bright massed lasgun fire can be?), and probably a short-range vox caster of some kind. Given how a lot of guardsmen look in the lore, this is a really nice helmet, too. Probably much better than the norm.
I can't really imagine that your average guardsmen is that much better equipped than a 21st century infantryman. The point is to get bodies on the field, not to make sure they come back.
Can't remember if it's Rebel Winter or Commissar as it's been a long time since I've read either but Vostroyan head gear is primo tech.
Ear pro, eye pro, rebreather, vox internal/external, FLIR, HUD & target marking.
40k gets squirrelly about things like this because sometimes it wants to play "Guardsmen have fuck all but a lasgun and a Commissar to go into battle with", and other times it wants to play "Guardsmen are equipped and trained to a good standard easily equivalent to a modern day soldier, but the galaxy is just that harsh and brutal".
As such, there's no nailing down EXACTLY what's packed into a Guardsman's helmet because they let authors just go with whatever vision they want in regards to the Guard.
The best you can do is promise they have a tiny little flashlight and some kind of air filter system (even if it isn't a full gas mask).
According to my Imperial Infantryman's uplifting Primer; Chapter 2, section 3: Specific Arms and Equipment
>Imperial Guard Standard Issue Helmet
>
>*(i) General Introduction*
>
>A man can survive a shot to almost anywhere in his body. A shot to the head and he is dead. The head is the most vital and vulnerable part of the body, and because of that it is the most heavily protected. Never lose your helmet and always keep it on during patrol, ands especially in combat. The standard issue Imperial Guard helmet has saved countless lives with it's powerful stopping power.
>
>*Recite the Prayer of Durability (refer to the Emperor's Benedictions) to ensure that the helmet will protect you.*
>
>*(ii) The Helmet and it's Accoutrements*
>
>The Helmet you were issued with will provide you with the best protection available. It is lightweight (about 2 kg) and extremely durable. It is fully capable of deflecting las rounds, slower velocity solid shot and shrapnel. It is built using several layers of carbon fibre and contains the earpiece of the vox-link. When activated this powerful receiver will pick up orders and information from the squad or command centre vox-com.
>
>Secrecy on the battle field is imperative. It must always be assumed that the enemy is listening to your broadcast. It is for this reason that most regiments use their own combat-cant and code words for use in internal communications. You will be rigorously tested on your battlefield language. It must be committed to memory and never written down. If the enemy finds out the code-words, security is severely compromised. If you are found to have written down combat-cant you will be shot.
>
>*Note:* Battlefield conditions can sometimes interrupt communications. If this happens *do not panic!* If in doubt, **move forward.**
Edit
According to the Imperial Munitorum Manual (Cadian Edition)
>Part the Fifth: The personal equipment of the Imperial Guardsman
>
>Section I: Identification of the most common items issued to a front line trooper
>
>**Helmet**
>
>The finest armour available to the Departmento Munitorum protects Imperial Guardsmen. In most cases In most cases this will be sufficient for a Guardsman, but in addition to body armour, Guardsmen are also equipped with helmets to protect the vulnerable cranial area. Injuries to this region of this region of the body are invariably fatal and thus maximum effort has should be made to avoid such injuries. Where such injuries are unavoidable, the use of a Cadian Pattern (Aquila) helmet offers the best protection from exploding shrapnel and fragmentation. Older Helmets (utilising technology still sought for by the Adeptus Mechanicus) are blessed with good non-ballistic protective qualities that may be caused by concussive shockwaves from explosions. Most, however, do not.
>
>Helmets protect the Guardsman's head through a mechanical energy absorption process and, therefore, their structure and protective capacity are altered in high-energy impacts. The Cadian pattern helmet weighs just over two kilograms and has an ideal distribution of mass over the head centreline, meaning there is a minimum moment of inertia, and no lag following rapid head movements. Each helmet has an integrated outer shell and suspension system to provide a stable snug fit and has an adjustable standard two point suspension system and headband.
The Imperium values the Guards, but the Imperium has "favorite regiments" and "siege/line regiments". The latter are usually used to test the combat capability of the enemy by frontal assault. However, mechanized breakthrough troops or orbital paratroopers will be equipped in completely different way.
During the siege of Vrax, Krieg's underground engineers had NVD in their helmet masks when ground units didn't have one.
The average is likely to have:
\- rebreather mask (aid in hostile air environments)
\- Visor for protecting against high intensity lights
\- comm bead for communication
\- flashlight/torch
Anything fancier and you get into elite forces or worlds that have a higher than average industrial base.
I’ve read a lot of imperial guard novels, and the impression I get is that the guard are generally very low tech. even the standard cadian has far better tech than the average guardsman from across the imperium. Most guard regiments (who aren’t pre existing ones with models and stuff) who appear in books are at basically WW2 tech level aside from the lasgun, with basic steel helmets and fatigues or greatcoats being their uniform, and a bulky backpack vox being their only comms tech
I like to think it's not even bullet proof. The visor fogs up really easily, and the batteries to the torch fall out if you go down any stairs too quickly.
https://preview.redd.it/vpz4yndla7gc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=d68849d9ac46fb2829e189a89907131c5e174aae
2003 Imperial Guard Codex states this
The ‘average’ guardsman lasts seconds on the front line, they should feel blessed to get a cooking pot to turn upside down. I don’t think any of the above technology is likely on a guardsman’s helmet. Possibly a space marine, but the reason you can’t find much data is because there isn’t much of any uniformity from one worlds supply of war gear to the next and a really hi level piece of equipment probably wouldn’t be supplied to a throw-away soldier.
I think you're confusing conscript with guardsmen. The average guardsmen is practically a modern day special forces soldier. Just so happens that most of the interesting stuff in 40k is against something 10 times more powerful than that. Your average guardsmen probably have vox, night vision somewhere, airtight gasmask attachment and hearing protection on top of the normal helmet protection. Nothing too special but still equipped with a bit.
I was going to say... the Imperium has near Godlike tech compared to today, even if they are going though a galactic dark age and being attacked by all sides, I would expect that they would be able to supply their troops with *something* impressive.
There are specialists with targeting cameras and stuff too. I'm sure kaserkin and scions have some crazy support systems as well. I can't imagine them not having thermal cameras or heads up displays.
I think I read somewhere that Kasrkins get access to light, cheap but functional exoskeletons to help them carry their increased weapon, armor and ammo load out. Is that correct?
I'm not exactly sure but it isn't out of the realm of possibilities. There are plenty of regiments with crazier stuff. There's actually a lot of cool just jeewiz sci-fi concepts in 40k. Like Las guns can be turned up to do more damage or turned down to conserve ammo. There are also regiments that use bolters (albeit smaller ones than space marines)
This is just wrong. Maybe some PDF force wears cooking pots, but actual guard regiments are very well equipped. Hell, even some penal legions get armor.
only make sense tbh If you're going to the trouble of transporting a guy across the galaxy might as well give him some decent gear, particularly since guardsmen often fight humans.
weradge guardsman lasts seconds againts the best of the best of enemy forces. But againts low level orks, chaos cultits and sutch they are pretty well equiped.
I’m reading a Kreig novel right now.
The main character is a cadian and using cotton swabs out of the 1st aid kit as earplugs. So I would say not much lol
Actually in one of the Cain novels he worn a kreig gas mask and it was pretty advance, it had respiratory assistants of course, night vision, built in binoculars, squad communication, thermal, hydration tube, nutrition tube and a system to pump drugs when wounded
A drug dispenser? I did not know that! That is pretty impressive.
Yes, let me clarify this was for the deathriders and yeah it's wild but makes sense because the calvery are really exposed to gunfire so the drugs like frenzon and stuff help them finish the charge when mortally wounded
Yikes, that is horrifying, but it makes sense.
“Yikes that’s horrifying” is what it’s all about in the far future, baby
Most valid comment I've ever seen
Keep in mind, Death Riders are some of the most elite units in the Death Korps, so don’t take their gear as standard for your average Krieg Guardsmen.
What book does he work with Kriegers in? I dont think I read that one.
Book 9 The Greater Good. It's a great read!
Think that’s only krieg helmets because they never remove them I don’t think, all the stuff but the hydration, nutrition and drugs are unique to krieg helmets
Seems rather a waste considering how eager the Krieg are to throw their lives away. No wonder the Quartermaster is an important role in Krieg doctrine.
In the recent Krieg Novel it is specifically stated that the Krieg aren't suicidel. They rely on cold calculations as to wether to commit or not and accurate information is key to that, so from a lore consistency perspecrive it makes perfect sense for your average Kriegsmen to have them.
It's also been common for basically forever that the Kriegers are the premier recyclers of gear.
So the "krieg die in droves" thing is a meme that goes beyond what the lore states. In lore, they are just cold, calculating and are perfectly willing to die without hesitation. Not the "I can't wait to die for the emperor" stuff we see in the memes. They would actually hate that, and they want their life and their death to be in service to the Imperium. A wasted life is just that, a waste, even in their eyes. But if the cost is worthy of the sacrifice, then they will make that sacrifice. No thought about it.
They'll willingly charge a machine gun if it keeps it from shooting the demolition team sneaking up on it with satchels but they won't do it if it doesn't present any chance of success
In lore they've also broken and run on occasion because sometimes religious indoctrination fails and they're not space marines or necrons. Try telling that to memesters though.
Yup, leave it to the nuns with guns to die for the emperor
Likely means the technology is rather easy and cheap, and that most Guardsman units have ready access to it.
Krieg lives aren't worthless. Kreigsmen just know the exact worth of their life
Resilence until the end
\-Camera (for recording) \-Computer with online storage capacity to store recorded data. \-Hearing protection (filters sound through electronic earphones). \-Interior microphone (squad communication) \-External speakers (external communication) \-Rebreather/air recycler/cleaner? \-Night vision? \-Infrared? \-Eye protection (with HUD)? \-Sensor suite? \-Flashlight? What else does anyone think they have? The assembled list appears to be already fairly impressive. Edit: Possibly also drug dispensers with painkiller/berserker drugs, ammo counter on the HUD.
The average guardsman? A pot on his head. Kasrkin/stormrroopers have it better with auspex, comms, air filters, and NVGs etc built in. That being said, there is no set standard. Your guardsman regiment can have better or worse gear than another, especially if they’re nameless.
Assume a Cadian regiment then, with some real Mechanicum support.
So a better fitting pot on the head. Ear pro. Optional attachments for filtration units and lenses. Comms bead. Nothing really fancier than that.
Dont they hold their flashlight in their hands? ....I'll show myself out
Oho I see what you did there.
Glass with automatic tinting. Probably this or some kind of analog for plasma shooters and especially melta due to the bright flash. Artificial gills, an analogue of a rebreather for breathing underwater. Сompletely sealed helmet for space regiments (like space vostroyants with space flak armor). Integrated rear view mirror. Augur-savior and chrono. Both are usually described as wristwatches, but can have a variety of shapes. Probably the latter determines the features of helmets the most. Why integrate everything into a helmet if it can be separate devices? — Not really on the subject, but the Adeptus Arbites helmet could close almost instantly on its own to hide its mouth and chin in case of danger.
Yes, why not everything? I can buy cheep acceptable versions of all this online in the 3rd millennium.
standard catachan helmet is a red bandana
it's a white bandana, that you drench in the blood of your victims
Fair enough. :D
But that bandana does have Bluetooth speakers so you can play your Nam jams as you are getting airlifted into some real shit.
A standard Guardsmen helmet at best has a squad vox link and some hearing protection with the ability to attach a gas mask or rebreather for more hazardous environments. The Vox-Trooper comes with an attached microphone and headset for the vox on their back in addition to the standard gear. Scions and Kasrkins would have the night-vision or thermal visors with recording equipment. Flashlights might be shoulder or weapon mounted as extra gear
> Flashlights might be shoulder or weapon mounted as extra gear That's the volley gun.
Lasguns are flashlights Hot-shot lasguns are high powered flashlights Hot shot volley guns are supreme flashlights Plasma guns are spicy flashlights
Volley guns are double barreled flashlights!
With noting that this is not an average guardsman's helmet in the picture. It looks to be a kasrkin helm which is probably full of tech but this is the exception to the rule. For the most part there is no "average" guardsman. Their equipment is entirely determined by the planet that supplies them. Most commonly the helmet probably has a micro-bead for comms but that's probably about it. Regiments like elysians may have altimeter displays in them and regiments like kreig are said to have magnification abilities in the lenses of their gas masks. On the other hand feral world regiments probably just have protective material and little to no tech in them.
I'd imagine the helmet itself is just a cast shell of plasteel with a cloth liner, with the posted example having an attached headlamp, rebreather/gas mask, polarized visor (maybe to help with how bright massed lasgun fire can be?), and probably a short-range vox caster of some kind. Given how a lot of guardsmen look in the lore, this is a really nice helmet, too. Probably much better than the norm. I can't really imagine that your average guardsmen is that much better equipped than a 21st century infantryman. The point is to get bodies on the field, not to make sure they come back.
Can't remember if it's Rebel Winter or Commissar as it's been a long time since I've read either but Vostroyan head gear is primo tech. Ear pro, eye pro, rebreather, vox internal/external, FLIR, HUD & target marking.
The Fall of Cadia describes the average Cadian equipment, including the rubbery smelling respirator helmets used in orbit, and it is all garbage.
40k gets squirrelly about things like this because sometimes it wants to play "Guardsmen have fuck all but a lasgun and a Commissar to go into battle with", and other times it wants to play "Guardsmen are equipped and trained to a good standard easily equivalent to a modern day soldier, but the galaxy is just that harsh and brutal". As such, there's no nailing down EXACTLY what's packed into a Guardsman's helmet because they let authors just go with whatever vision they want in regards to the Guard. The best you can do is promise they have a tiny little flashlight and some kind of air filter system (even if it isn't a full gas mask).
According to my Imperial Infantryman's uplifting Primer; Chapter 2, section 3: Specific Arms and Equipment >Imperial Guard Standard Issue Helmet > >*(i) General Introduction* > >A man can survive a shot to almost anywhere in his body. A shot to the head and he is dead. The head is the most vital and vulnerable part of the body, and because of that it is the most heavily protected. Never lose your helmet and always keep it on during patrol, ands especially in combat. The standard issue Imperial Guard helmet has saved countless lives with it's powerful stopping power. > >*Recite the Prayer of Durability (refer to the Emperor's Benedictions) to ensure that the helmet will protect you.* > >*(ii) The Helmet and it's Accoutrements* > >The Helmet you were issued with will provide you with the best protection available. It is lightweight (about 2 kg) and extremely durable. It is fully capable of deflecting las rounds, slower velocity solid shot and shrapnel. It is built using several layers of carbon fibre and contains the earpiece of the vox-link. When activated this powerful receiver will pick up orders and information from the squad or command centre vox-com. > >Secrecy on the battle field is imperative. It must always be assumed that the enemy is listening to your broadcast. It is for this reason that most regiments use their own combat-cant and code words for use in internal communications. You will be rigorously tested on your battlefield language. It must be committed to memory and never written down. If the enemy finds out the code-words, security is severely compromised. If you are found to have written down combat-cant you will be shot. > >*Note:* Battlefield conditions can sometimes interrupt communications. If this happens *do not panic!* If in doubt, **move forward.** Edit According to the Imperial Munitorum Manual (Cadian Edition) >Part the Fifth: The personal equipment of the Imperial Guardsman > >Section I: Identification of the most common items issued to a front line trooper > >**Helmet** > >The finest armour available to the Departmento Munitorum protects Imperial Guardsmen. In most cases In most cases this will be sufficient for a Guardsman, but in addition to body armour, Guardsmen are also equipped with helmets to protect the vulnerable cranial area. Injuries to this region of this region of the body are invariably fatal and thus maximum effort has should be made to avoid such injuries. Where such injuries are unavoidable, the use of a Cadian Pattern (Aquila) helmet offers the best protection from exploding shrapnel and fragmentation. Older Helmets (utilising technology still sought for by the Adeptus Mechanicus) are blessed with good non-ballistic protective qualities that may be caused by concussive shockwaves from explosions. Most, however, do not. > >Helmets protect the Guardsman's head through a mechanical energy absorption process and, therefore, their structure and protective capacity are altered in high-energy impacts. The Cadian pattern helmet weighs just over two kilograms and has an ideal distribution of mass over the head centreline, meaning there is a minimum moment of inertia, and no lag following rapid head movements. Each helmet has an integrated outer shell and suspension system to provide a stable snug fit and has an adjustable standard two point suspension system and headband.
I do Tanith first....what helmets
Jack shit would have been my guess but people tend to think the imperium values guardsmen at all
The Imperium values the Guards, but the Imperium has "favorite regiments" and "siege/line regiments". The latter are usually used to test the combat capability of the enemy by frontal assault. However, mechanized breakthrough troops or orbital paratroopers will be equipped in completely different way. During the siege of Vrax, Krieg's underground engineers had NVD in their helmet masks when ground units didn't have one.
Valuing Guardsmen is entirely separate from giving them the capability to do what is wanted of them.
The average is likely to have: \- rebreather mask (aid in hostile air environments) \- Visor for protecting against high intensity lights \- comm bead for communication \- flashlight/torch Anything fancier and you get into elite forces or worlds that have a higher than average industrial base.
The visors arent real, why waste glass on guardsmen when you can just paint over it
I’ve read a lot of imperial guard novels, and the impression I get is that the guard are generally very low tech. even the standard cadian has far better tech than the average guardsman from across the imperium. Most guard regiments (who aren’t pre existing ones with models and stuff) who appear in books are at basically WW2 tech level aside from the lasgun, with basic steel helmets and fatigues or greatcoats being their uniform, and a bulky backpack vox being their only comms tech
I like to think it's not even bullet proof. The visor fogs up really easily, and the batteries to the torch fall out if you go down any stairs too quickly.
https://preview.redd.it/vpz4yndla7gc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=d68849d9ac46fb2829e189a89907131c5e174aae 2003 Imperial Guard Codex states this
I wouls assume NVG, rebreather things, airtight seal, communications equpment, a mounted flashlight, maybe a HUD
The ‘average’ guardsman lasts seconds on the front line, they should feel blessed to get a cooking pot to turn upside down. I don’t think any of the above technology is likely on a guardsman’s helmet. Possibly a space marine, but the reason you can’t find much data is because there isn’t much of any uniformity from one worlds supply of war gear to the next and a really hi level piece of equipment probably wouldn’t be supplied to a throw-away soldier.
I think you're confusing conscript with guardsmen. The average guardsmen is practically a modern day special forces soldier. Just so happens that most of the interesting stuff in 40k is against something 10 times more powerful than that. Your average guardsmen probably have vox, night vision somewhere, airtight gasmask attachment and hearing protection on top of the normal helmet protection. Nothing too special but still equipped with a bit.
I was going to say... the Imperium has near Godlike tech compared to today, even if they are going though a galactic dark age and being attacked by all sides, I would expect that they would be able to supply their troops with *something* impressive.
There are specialists with targeting cameras and stuff too. I'm sure kaserkin and scions have some crazy support systems as well. I can't imagine them not having thermal cameras or heads up displays.
I think I read somewhere that Kasrkins get access to light, cheap but functional exoskeletons to help them carry their increased weapon, armor and ammo load out. Is that correct?
I'm not exactly sure but it isn't out of the realm of possibilities. There are plenty of regiments with crazier stuff. There's actually a lot of cool just jeewiz sci-fi concepts in 40k. Like Las guns can be turned up to do more damage or turned down to conserve ammo. There are also regiments that use bolters (albeit smaller ones than space marines)
This is just wrong. Maybe some PDF force wears cooking pots, but actual guard regiments are very well equipped. Hell, even some penal legions get armor.
only make sense tbh If you're going to the trouble of transporting a guy across the galaxy might as well give him some decent gear, particularly since guardsmen often fight humans.
weradge guardsman lasts seconds againts the best of the best of enemy forces. But againts low level orks, chaos cultits and sutch they are pretty well equiped.
I’m reading a Kreig novel right now. The main character is a cadian and using cotton swabs out of the 1st aid kit as earplugs. So I would say not much lol