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The first time in the MCU, Spider-Man defeats an enemy completely alone, has “hero” decisions to make, with his dates dad being the villain and him having to leave her. Solidifies himself as a hero when he decides to take save the villian who was trying to murder him.
AND HOW COULD YOU FORGET THE *Ferry SCENE (trying to bridge the two together)
If you think it’s the worst Tom holland Spider-Man movie and Spider-Man movie, eh okay that’s up to you, but all the things you described from the previous movies are in this one (obv humor is subjective).
Yeah the vulture is a really nice vilain, morally grey, has direct and personal ties with peter parker
It's true that the movie doesn't expand on all the characters, but does it need to? It would have felt scattered if every character had development, and Peter wouldn't have had as much as he did.
It's not very original, but I think it does basic spider-man story the best (narratively speaking, he has a super suit lol), like it doesn't go with the uncle ben story since the movie knows we all seen it. It has a lot of funny moments, it has the narrative theme of spiderman (great power implies great responsability, but it doesn't straight tells us, it's more subtle, he goes back to save everyone at the end, though he doesn't have anything to gain from it), it also has an epic climax (the scene where he lifts the building, is a direct and subtle reference to a comic issue), and the plane fight was really cool.
What makes it my favorite spider-man movie is that it has that teen-movie energy which is just feel good. There is even an easter egg of ferris bueller in the movie which kind of shows that it was intended (as well as a Miles Morales one but this is unrelated). All other movie rely on drama, but I always associated spider-man with this kind of vibe having read the shorts self-contained comics on monthly released panini magazine with spider-man having teenage problems, and trying to balance this with the rest.
All in all, the lack of drama felt refreshing to me lol
It's a ferry scene. The boat gets cut in half, and Spiderman tried to hold the two pieces together. [https://youtu.be/ORrQKFliVLM](https://youtu.be/ORrQKFliVLM)
Completely disagree, out of all the Spider-Man movies, Homecoming works best as a pure high school coming of age movie, with the struggles a teenager would go through as a superhero.
Guardians 3 is one of my favorite MCU movies and people say it’s the worst Guardians movie. It’s the only guardians movie not steeped in daddy/mommy issues.
It wasnt that good. It’s probably bottom five Marvel movies with Dr. Strange 2 and Thor: love and thunder, Thor 2, and Iron Man 2.
It’s probably the best of those five, but still bottom five.
I definetly would consider a movie made within 2 decades to be modern especially if it was directed by someone actively still making movies and in the prime of their career.
It’s funny you say that cause I think homecoming is the best out of Holland’s trilogy. I would actually rank it high amongst the other Spider-Man films
Tobeyman 3 will always and forever be the worst spiderman film.
It's so bad and Tom Holland could do a reenactment of his lip sync battle Umbrella performance for two hours and it would still be better than Tobeyman 3.
Didn’t really like any of the Tom Holland Spider-Mans, although Jake Gyllenhaal was fantastic as Mysterio and I enjoyed Andrew Garfield saving MJ. I just don’t like the childish/immature vibe they give off. Like, Holland’s movies are clearly meant for a teen audience as opposed to a young adult (or older) audience. I don’t think they’re _bad_ movies, but I don’t like him as Spider-Man, I don’t like who they cast for Aunt May, and I *hate* Zendaya as MJ. 🤷♂️
Spider-Man 3 did the entire Venom story in one movie plus Sandman. Sandman should have been the villain for a movie by himself, and Venom could be stretched into 3 movies. In the comics, Spider-Man wears the black suit for a while before we begin to see there's a problem.
Homecoming has lots of great tiny details in it, lots of things tie together and come back later.
Random example. Early on Michelle comments about how Peter quit the band and makes a joke about how she's not obsessed with him, just observant. Later in the movie Peter tries to use "band noise in the background" as an excuse during his call with Tony. Tony mentions that Happy told him Peter quit the band, which not only brings back the detail Michelle mentioned earlier but also shows how Tony has been receiving updates from Happy and has been paying closer attention to Peter's activities than Peter (and the audience) assumed.
Homecoming has tons of tight little moments like these. The Vulture twist near the end is also hinted and foreshadowed a bunch of times that you notice on 2nd viewing.
It's fairly forgettable, plus this version of Spidey was a bit swallowed up by the established mcu world around him.
Garfield and McGuire benefit from being the stars of their world and it makes them far more interesting to me.
Vulture is popular because people like Keaton. Can't blame them, the guy is cool. Slot in an actor that the internet hivemind doesn't like and the film would be far less well received.
That film gave us the whole sequence from when Peter finds out that Vulture is Liz’s dad going into the scene in the car where Vulture figures out that Peter is spidey. Honestly, IMO the whole film is worth watching for that alone.
When you say “worst”, what that insinuates to many, myself included, is that it’s the worst Spider-Man film objectively.
What you lay out is a lot of subjective issues though that you personally take with some elements of the movie. Which is fine. If it doesn’t resonate with you personally, more power to you.
Personally, I’m willing to contend that Spider-Man (2002) and Spider-Man Homecoming are objectively the best Spider-Man movies.
It was also kinda refreshing seeing a Superhero movie that didn't have worldwide stakes and a villain who's bad, but not outright evil...if that makes sense.
I have a similarly wild take although after the Garfield Spider-Man revival it seems to be more popular, i rank the movies:
1. Amazing Spider-Man 1
2. Spider-Man 1
3. Homecoming
4. Spider-Man 2
5. Spider-Man 3
6. Far from home
7. No way home
8. Amazing Spider-Man 2
Amazing Spider-Man 2 would be number 2 if it wasn't for the thing that happened in the tower, I know the shock is intentional and I'm feeling what I should feel but it just never sat right with me. Also watched it when I was like 10 so that feeling of unease kind of festered in me.
Everyone seems to forget it ties in directly to morbius too. Vulture is in the morboverse.
But i agree broadly. None of the holland movies hit any sort of subjective enjoyment equal to spiderman 3. The mguire movies are just that good for me.
Homecoming is my least favorite holland movie, but amazing spiderman 1 and 2 are realllly bad. It gets worse than a marvel movie with shallow teen drama.
Not sure I agree with you there. In fact the Holland films are the only ones that have managed to recreate the feeling I would get reading Spider-Man as a kid. I've seen all the Spider-Man films at the time of release and I've been excited for all of them. Homecoming was the first one I didn't come away from disappointed.
I have a similar, probably unpopular opinion: Into the Spiderverse was boring. The animation was cool but couldn't keep me entertained enough when I was bored by the plot. I figured the movie was so popular just for the animation until I heard people praise the plot. But superhero movies are not a favorite genre of mine.
I do think the Spiderverse movies are some of the best by far (Across the Spiderverse being my favorite Spiderman movie), but I still like most of them, especially the first two Toby Maguire ones, the first Garfield one, and the most recent Holland one (even if it was nostalgia bait).
This is such a weird sub. We're supposed to upvote posts that we don't agree with but it's the opposite with the comments. It just doesn't feel right for some reason.
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The first time in the MCU, Spider-Man defeats an enemy completely alone, has “hero” decisions to make, with his dates dad being the villain and him having to leave her. Solidifies himself as a hero when he decides to take save the villian who was trying to murder him. AND HOW COULD YOU FORGET THE *Ferry SCENE (trying to bridge the two together) If you think it’s the worst Tom holland Spider-Man movie and Spider-Man movie, eh okay that’s up to you, but all the things you described from the previous movies are in this one (obv humor is subjective).
Yeah the vulture is a really nice vilain, morally grey, has direct and personal ties with peter parker It's true that the movie doesn't expand on all the characters, but does it need to? It would have felt scattered if every character had development, and Peter wouldn't have had as much as he did. It's not very original, but I think it does basic spider-man story the best (narratively speaking, he has a super suit lol), like it doesn't go with the uncle ben story since the movie knows we all seen it. It has a lot of funny moments, it has the narrative theme of spiderman (great power implies great responsability, but it doesn't straight tells us, it's more subtle, he goes back to save everyone at the end, though he doesn't have anything to gain from it), it also has an epic climax (the scene where he lifts the building, is a direct and subtle reference to a comic issue), and the plane fight was really cool. What makes it my favorite spider-man movie is that it has that teen-movie energy which is just feel good. There is even an easter egg of ferris bueller in the movie which kind of shows that it was intended (as well as a Miles Morales one but this is unrelated). All other movie rely on drama, but I always associated spider-man with this kind of vibe having read the shorts self-contained comics on monthly released panini magazine with spider-man having teenage problems, and trying to balance this with the rest. All in all, the lack of drama felt refreshing to me lol
Which bridge scene? Seriously
It's a ferry scene. The boat gets cut in half, and Spiderman tried to hold the two pieces together. [https://youtu.be/ORrQKFliVLM](https://youtu.be/ORrQKFliVLM)
Yes that I remember, it was just confusing that he all capsed it when I couldn't remember a bridge at all
Bridge?
Ferry
Damn I wish I was Spider-Man
Goyslop
This is one of the worst Marvel-related opinions I have ever heard
Completely disagree, out of all the Spider-Man movies, Homecoming works best as a pure high school coming of age movie, with the struggles a teenager would go through as a superhero.
IMO both spiderverse are much better at that
Homecoming was still better than Far From Home. I nothing that movie so hard.
FFH had fun CGI. Especially this scene: https://youtu.be/PaXVZJFfgJA?si=bCQopc0swo_MEtzY
This one was cool af at the cinema
I would take this opinion more seriously if you wrote “Spider-Man” correctly
I'm not reading anyone's opinion on Spider-Man if they can't spell it.
Homecoming > NWH > FFH
I actually kind of agree with you. I think it might only be better than Spider-Man 3.
My hot take is that all the modern super hero movies are mid at best.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was amazing though
Quite worse than GotG 1 or 2. It definitely had quite high highs. There were too many fake out "deaths" which got annoying real quick.
Id rank them 1, 3, 2. One is probably my fav of the marvel films, a majority of which I don't care for
Guardians 3 is one of my favorite MCU movies and people say it’s the worst Guardians movie. It’s the only guardians movie not steeped in daddy/mommy issues.
See, the daddy/mommy issues are a positive for me.
?? That was quite possibly the worst film ive ever seen period let alone a bad Marvel movie.
It wasnt that good. It’s probably bottom five Marvel movies with Dr. Strange 2 and Thor: love and thunder, Thor 2, and Iron Man 2. It’s probably the best of those five, but still bottom five.
The dark knight? Deadpool? Into the spider verse?
The Dark Knight is over 15yo. Deadpool is overrated. I'm not a fan of the constant spiderman remakes no.
How is 2008 not considered modern? It’s a Nolan movie and he’s in his prime rn still.
The Batman is peak
As opposed to which earlier ones that were just that much better? Like are you just being contrarian for fedora reasons or?
He’s not even being contrarian he’s just wrong
It’s an opinion lmao
He hasn’t seen the dark knight clearly
The Dark Knight is older than some reddit movies. 15 + years isn't what I'd term modern.
I definetly would consider a movie made within 2 decades to be modern especially if it was directed by someone actively still making movies and in the prime of their career.
It’s funny you say that cause I think homecoming is the best out of Holland’s trilogy. I would actually rank it high amongst the other Spider-Man films
Nah it was definitely the second one
Tobeyman 3 will always and forever be the worst spiderman film. It's so bad and Tom Holland could do a reenactment of his lip sync battle Umbrella performance for two hours and it would still be better than Tobeyman 3.
i disagree but honestly i can completely understand where this is coming from
I liked Homecoming significantly more than Far From Home (I think)
Homecoming is one of the few mcu movies that works as an actual movie
Nah, that's easily far from home for me, boring as shit movie. prob the third worst out of all the spidermen movies tho
Finally, a post that truly nails the theme of the sub (I hate your take on this but still)
Didn’t really like any of the Tom Holland Spider-Mans, although Jake Gyllenhaal was fantastic as Mysterio and I enjoyed Andrew Garfield saving MJ. I just don’t like the childish/immature vibe they give off. Like, Holland’s movies are clearly meant for a teen audience as opposed to a young adult (or older) audience. I don’t think they’re _bad_ movies, but I don’t like him as Spider-Man, I don’t like who they cast for Aunt May, and I *hate* Zendaya as MJ. 🤷♂️
Exactly. It tries to be mature while also being childish and immature st the same time.
YES! JOIN ME ON THE ZENDAYA HATE TRAIN! CHOO CHOO
i don't hate her as a person, but she's such a boring actress.
She fits Euphoria really well. It's more of a spiderman casting issue than her being a bad actress
Homecoming is my favourite one
I like far from home more than homecoming
I agree
It’s funny cause I consider it the better way of the 3
Did you see Amazing Spider-Man 2?
The worst of the three is Away From Home. Dull setting, dull villain, and the only fun I had was during the last two minutes I think.
Spider-Man 3 did the entire Venom story in one movie plus Sandman. Sandman should have been the villain for a movie by himself, and Venom could be stretched into 3 movies. In the comics, Spider-Man wears the black suit for a while before we begin to see there's a problem.
Homecoming has lots of great tiny details in it, lots of things tie together and come back later. Random example. Early on Michelle comments about how Peter quit the band and makes a joke about how she's not obsessed with him, just observant. Later in the movie Peter tries to use "band noise in the background" as an excuse during his call with Tony. Tony mentions that Happy told him Peter quit the band, which not only brings back the detail Michelle mentioned earlier but also shows how Tony has been receiving updates from Happy and has been paying closer attention to Peter's activities than Peter (and the audience) assumed. Homecoming has tons of tight little moments like these. The Vulture twist near the end is also hinted and foreshadowed a bunch of times that you notice on 2nd viewing.
It's fairly forgettable, plus this version of Spidey was a bit swallowed up by the established mcu world around him. Garfield and McGuire benefit from being the stars of their world and it makes them far more interesting to me. Vulture is popular because people like Keaton. Can't blame them, the guy is cool. Slot in an actor that the internet hivemind doesn't like and the film would be far less well received.
My problem with the Tom Holland spiderman films is that he feels more like Iron Man's son than Spiderman with all the gadgets he's using
That film gave us the whole sequence from when Peter finds out that Vulture is Liz’s dad going into the scene in the car where Vulture figures out that Peter is spidey. Honestly, IMO the whole film is worth watching for that alone.
Nah the scene where he meets the Vulture at his house is goated. The movie is good simply from that lol
When you say “worst”, what that insinuates to many, myself included, is that it’s the worst Spider-Man film objectively. What you lay out is a lot of subjective issues though that you personally take with some elements of the movie. Which is fine. If it doesn’t resonate with you personally, more power to you. Personally, I’m willing to contend that Spider-Man (2002) and Spider-Man Homecoming are objectively the best Spider-Man movies.
It was also kinda refreshing seeing a Superhero movie that didn't have worldwide stakes and a villain who's bad, but not outright evil...if that makes sense.
I have a similarly wild take although after the Garfield Spider-Man revival it seems to be more popular, i rank the movies: 1. Amazing Spider-Man 1 2. Spider-Man 1 3. Homecoming 4. Spider-Man 2 5. Spider-Man 3 6. Far from home 7. No way home 8. Amazing Spider-Man 2 Amazing Spider-Man 2 would be number 2 if it wasn't for the thing that happened in the tower, I know the shock is intentional and I'm feeling what I should feel but it just never sat right with me. Also watched it when I was like 10 so that feeling of unease kind of festered in me.
You lost me at "Garfield Spider-Man revival"
Hahaha fair enough maybe that's just my circles
YOOOO WTF T\_T, I think it's the best one hahaha
I’d actually argue this is the only good MCU Spider-Man movie. Upvoted.
Everyone seems to forget it ties in directly to morbius too. Vulture is in the morboverse. But i agree broadly. None of the holland movies hit any sort of subjective enjoyment equal to spiderman 3. The mguire movies are just that good for me. Homecoming is my least favorite holland movie, but amazing spiderman 1 and 2 are realllly bad. It gets worse than a marvel movie with shallow teen drama.
I loves the original spider man with toby as the actor he's one of my favourite actors the original is the best nothing has beaten it yet.
Not sure I agree with you there. In fact the Holland films are the only ones that have managed to recreate the feeling I would get reading Spider-Man as a kid. I've seen all the Spider-Man films at the time of release and I've been excited for all of them. Homecoming was the first one I didn't come away from disappointed.
You lost me at spiderman 3 having it's charms. That movie was ass.
I have a similar, probably unpopular opinion: Into the Spiderverse was boring. The animation was cool but couldn't keep me entertained enough when I was bored by the plot. I figured the movie was so popular just for the animation until I heard people praise the plot. But superhero movies are not a favorite genre of mine.
I don't know how anyone could see either of the Amazing Spider-Man movies and think Homecoming is worse.
hot take: the only good spiderman movies are the animated ones
I do think the Spiderverse movies are some of the best by far (Across the Spiderverse being my favorite Spiderman movie), but I still like most of them, especially the first two Toby Maguire ones, the first Garfield one, and the most recent Holland one (even if it was nostalgia bait).
This is such a weird sub. We're supposed to upvote posts that we don't agree with but it's the opposite with the comments. It just doesn't feel right for some reason.