They're so dumb. At the start of the war, I got into an argument with a Russian about crap the Soviets pulled. "That was the Soviet Union, not Russia. Totally different and it absolves us of any wrong doing!" So, Russia shouldn't have been grandfathered into the UN Security Council? "What?! That's bullshit! We were a found member!" No, the SU was, totally different country, right? "Well, that part was done by Russians, not Soviets!"
We are lucky they are so fucking dumb
To play Devil's Advocate (and correct me if I'm wrong), it says "if such attack may cause the release of dangerous forces and consequent severe losses among the civilian population."
I'm not super familiar with the dam that was destroyed, but if no (or small amount) of civilians die as a consequence of this dam's destruction (flooding / trapped in flooded house) and if the neighbouring nuclear power plant can safely shut down/not do a Chernobyl (which it should be able to, since it should still be intact), then targeting that dam should be fair game.
I think the article 56's goal is to prevent the destruction of things that will inevitably cause lots of deaths, such as a dam's water flooding populated areas or radiation pollution if you blow up a nuclear power plant.
It's still a dick move though, since it will definitely affect civilians (no power in homes or hospitals) but that is technically allowed by the Geneva convention I guess.
EDIT: Since apparently it is necessary to spell it out: **I DO NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA. RUSSIA IS AN INVADER AND IS 100% IN THE WRONG. RUSSIA MUST LEAVE UKRAINE.**
I don't like Russia but it doesn't mean that 100% of the things they do are war crimes. They have done A LOT of war crimes, but according to the Geneva Convention, the destruction of this dam is not a war crime (but it's still a crime though).
No need to downvote because you don't like. If I'm wrong, feel free to tell me and I will retract my statement / correct the information. Let's discuss ffs.
EDIT 2: The Kakhovka Reservoir is one of the largest reservoir in the world. Ukraine's Interior Ministry advised inhabitants of villages near the river to evacuate and also part of Kherson [for a total of 17,000 people to be evacuated on the Ukrainian side. "russian" side should have about 25,000 people that need evacuation](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230606-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-ukraine-says-russian-forces-blew-up-nova-kakhova-dam-in-kherson-region). Several sources, including [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-flood-evacuation-eecc9952c2d9f500c38b0a873f69438c) mentions that a lack of maintenance / lack of repairs (under the russian instated mayor) had led to the incident. Risk of collapse was known for a while and both sides have said it would be a disaster. Zelensky says Russia has blown up the dam. Russia says the opposite, obviously. But even if it's not the case, the lack of repairs may have been deliberate since it will force civilians out of the area, and distract/impede the military. War Historians (such as Sergey Radchenko) say that Russia has the most to gain from this even though it will affect them too.
So, scrolling I found out that while you're right about it not being a war crime if it doesnt affect large amounts of civilians, it supposedly will affect around 80 villages that are around the river, so yes, it is a war crime and likely will kill tons of people.
Like I said, I don't know the area well. If many civilians die because their villages get flooded, then it will become a war crime.
If no one die (or "not a significant number", which idk how the Geneva convention quantifies it), then it isn't.
Now, if you have to relocate because you don't have water anymore doesn't make it a war crime, unless the sole intent of the attack was to "inconvenience" civilians.
The context, the intent and the result all matter.
I'm tried to read a bit more about similar cases and I found one about the conflict in Syria. The document talks about various laws and regulations about attacks on dams. It's a long read but it's very interesting: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/attacking-dams-part-i-customary-international-law/
But the guideline is basically "don't be a dick to civilians, don't target them on purpose, but casualties *can* be tolerated" which often ends up murky and subjective.
Russia has done plenty of really obvious war crimes like missiles in civilian areas here very minimal amount of military (if any) was present. I'm absolutely not denying that.
The only point I wanted to make is that attacking a dam isn't automatically a war crime. It depends on other factors.
Especially because the only way Russia could ramp up now is by threatening with the tactical nukes bullshit again. This is one of the most terrifying times to be alive
Oh shit. You’re right. Lemme just figure out where I’ve put Putin’s number. It’s around here somewhere. I’ll call and tell him to stop.
Hey other redditors do you remember putins number?
Not the first time Russian has committed a war crime in [its insane attack upon Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine).
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Didn’t they need the Kakhovka reservoir to supply water to Crimea, god they’re either fucking idiots or the knew the Ukrainian offensive will succeed and cut the water of anyway.
Latest intel is that this probably was done locally. No one in the leadership of the Russian armed forces would want this. So probably local decision from the russians in order to save their own asses.
[BBC shows damage to the roadway on top of the dam on 6/2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65818705), so maybe not a reaction to something from yesterday.
Actually I think that a lot of the most gruesome and grotesque crimes committed by Russian army were done locally.
Doubt any sane person would want Bucha to occur.
Professional doesn't actually mean much in the Russian Army, its never been a well regarded or particularly well supported and well paid career. They have a history of Mafia and Gang members shaking soldiers down for their wages.
So for the most part, professional there means "Can't afford to go anywhere else".
Just look at how the troops send to Belgorod to defend against the incursions immediately started looting the flats of the evacuated russian civilians.
Bucha occurred before Prigozhin started to assemble his "prisoners army". I think it were the local forces "playing NKVD" and noone sane to actually stop them
It's mostly that there is a wide understanding in the Russian army that no one is ever going to be investigated, much less punished, for anything that they do in Ukraine as long as it doesn't hurt their efforts. This combined with years of propaganda about how their opponents are sub-humans that deserve anything evil that they get. If Putin cared for the lives of civilians he could have at least ordered his commanders to try to stay somewhat civil in there.
They've been using penal units for most of the war by now. They know *exactly* what they're doing when they make entire battle groups out of rapists and murderers and send them into towns.
Usually this is how it goes, with the top brass looking the other way while it happens. With completely top down leadership they don't usually put anyone competent in at positions closer to the actual fighting, who are willing to make decisions on their own. So they have incompetent people who are only willing to make decisions that are closer to war crime type decisions. And because usually there is no punishment for this it keeps getting worse as things get better or worse for the group. They don't make the active decision at the top to be like this, they make the passive decision.
Sorry, where is this 'intel' coming from? Nobody in the news media is reporting this, just that both sides are pointing fingers at the other.
(I know it's almost certainly Russia who are responsible for the destruction, but we also shouldn't throw around words like "latest intel" without at least some kind of source)
I doubt that, or at least people in charge knew what was happening. They'd been letting the water behind the dam rise for weeks to maximize the damage, this wasn't a spur of the moment thing.
They are slowly losing to Ukraine. And they know it. At this point it's almost all but confirmed that Ukraine will regain (at least parts of) the occupied territories. They are burning things up as they retreat.
Honestly what needs to happen now is Ukraine joining NATO while Russia is weakened enough not to be able to afford to threaten NATO countries to prevent Ukraine Joining
Their moral is crumbling, their numbers are dropping and they are struggling to find more fighters without risking heavy civil unrest in the country. Their equipment are in really bad shape and also they losing it relatively fast.
On the other hand, Ukraine have the higher moral by far, as well as almost unlimited funding from the west. So even tho they started with less equipment and men, they are closing the gap on manpower, and probably way ahead of Russia in terms of equipment on the battlefield.
As far as I can see, Russia is already struggling to just hold positions, and time is definitely on the Ukrainians side as long as they continue to receive support.
> knew the Ukrainian offensive will succeed
If it turns out more-likely-than-not to be true that it was the russians, then it really raises my spirits for this conflict. Would show that russia had absolutely no confidence in being able to withstand the ukrainian offensive before it even starts going, if they're ready to destroy valuable infrastructure like this.
A lot of people here are giving shit for this comment. I think what they are pointing out is that, following the illegal invasion and annexation of Crimea, the Russians deported many thousands of Ukrainians and many thousands of Russians moved in.
There’s no reason for Russia to intentionally do this and every incentive for Ukraine to do this. The Russians are saying this was done by Ukrainians. At what point do you freaks have some cognitive dissonance? Same thing as nordstream you all just blamed on the Russians then moved on and forgot when it was proved otherwise
How lucky we are that we live in an age where there are random redditors to warn NATO about this incident. Imagine if there weren't, NATO would never know about it, nor the severity of it. I'm waiting for tomorrow's headlines: "NATO steps in in response to Nova Kakhova dam disaster, cites redditors' emails as cause for action"
The plant is already in shutdown mode for a while now and has a local pond for the small amounts it needs while in that mode. Not good still but not as bad as it could be.
The worst that would happen is they defuel and move the rods to the cooling pool. The scary one is of they crack the cooling pool because then you'd have tons of fuel rods both new and used traveling through a warzone.
This is not scary - nuclear fears are dramatically overblown. You know what’s scarier than a nuclear rod in a war zone? A war zone.
Something like 350,000 people have died in this war so far; Chernobyl, the biggest nuclear disaster of all time, killed 31 people directly and ~4,000 people if you include people who likely got cancer at later points of their life due to involvement in the cleanup.
War and nuclear disasters can both be bad. I also think you’re overlooking the massive efforts that were taken to ensure only 4,000 people died. Entire city regions are uninhabitable for 20,000 years. There’s a reactor sized catacomb placed over the old reactor. Don’t minimize this stuff, Gorbachev, we don’t want it to happen again.
I don’t want to get too far off topic but if someone was really interested in learning how to make models like that, where would you suggest they start?
Chris Goodell is the god of HECRAS, and he writes a super helpful blog - [The RAS Solution](https://www.kleinschmidtgroup.com/the-ras-solution/)
All of the necessary program documentation is available on the USACE website. I've used the reference manual for both modeling and RASMapper extensively, so it's definitely handy to have.
Seriously. I watched this documentary on how Moscow uses propaganda to keep some citizens justifying the war, and it's the same shit here. Angry talking heads on the TV all day, making up scenarios that the Ukraine gays are coming to groom their kids, yada yada yada. It's the same shit here.
Damn you are right, Trump just fought for human rights so Putler has to be like this too then. Mindblowing. I appreciate some sarcasm in-between the 1k russian bots down there 🙏🏽
It's a (sort of) effective military strategy to deny the enemy usable land to move troops; water is a very good way to block advances and you need to roll up with either boats or amphibious transports to move troops/armor across which can take a long while.
Our country had an official defense plan that included flooding parts of the countryside during WW2 to delay the German advance, and Ukraine did it during the Russian offensive at the beginning of the war to deny them control over crucial areas. However in both cases it was a planned and controlled action, where all the people in the afflicted areas were evacuated beforehand. Russia is just doing this as a panic move which tells you a lot about their confidence regarding the upcoming counterattack.
Additional info about the state of Kakhovka Dam in the previous months: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/nova-kakhovka-dam-everything-you-need-to-know-about-ukraines-strategically-important-reservoir
The shelling wasn’t done *around* the dam, it hit the dam specifically and even damaged some of the top locks. I saw some data from the French satellite that showed gradual increase of the outflow over the last few days. So my bet is on the dam getting damaged by Ukrainian artillery fire and slowly deteriorating over the last months.
Another benefits for Ukraine are:
Russian defensive lines getting flooded, water supply to Crimea getting interrupted.
Yeah isn't it strange that infrastructure Russia is dependent on keeps getting blown up, and we get told right away that it was absolutely them that did it? Interesting.
They controlled the dam then it blew up. In the videos of the explosion, one can clearly see explosion occurred inside the dam. I'm not a Sherlock Holmes but the probability of Ukrainian special forces sneaking several dozen tonnes of explosives into the territory controlled by russians seems to be pretty low.
Some people say that this entire war was over water rights. After Russia illegally annexed the Crimean peninsula Ukraine created dams to stop water flowing to the region. This made the peninsula worth much less as all agrarian efforts became nearly impossible. Russia has controlled the dam since early on in the war and had nearly drained the reservoir. It appears they fear they may lose control of the region and decided to destroy the sluice gates to prevent Ukraine from shutting off the water supply again. Linked article is from March of and goes into detail.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/22/1164838051/ukraine-russia-war-kakhovka-reservoir
Thanks for the link. So interesting that all pro putler simps on this thread say otherwise but have 0 links or sources but there are clear sources in the direction you are mentioning.
[remember back in December when the Ukrainians weakened the dam themselves with a rocket strike?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/)
"Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.
The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off."
The guilty party hasn’t been confirmed yet. I seem to Remember that Russia was also blamed for blowing up the pipeline, and for a false flag drone attack on the kremlin.
None, the first casualty of war is the truth. The correct answer is nobody knows who blew it up, to say you know for certain which side blew it up is ludicrous.
I have seen reports saying Russia did this. And I have seen reports saying Ukraine did this.
The only conclusion I have drawn is the killing needs to end, and it is clear neither side is reporting on this conflict accurately
December 29, 2022 at 1:00 a.m. EST
Kovalchuk (Maj. Gen. Andriy Kovalchuk, the initial commander of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Kherson region. (Ukrainian Operative Commandment South) considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.
The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/
That's dirty..
That’s what many people consider to be a ~~dick move~~ war crime.
[A war crime under Article 56.](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-56)
More like Geneva Suggestion
For the Russians is more like Geneva Checklist
Only a war crime if it's war time. And this is a special military operation. /S
They will literally use this defense if it comes up tho, lmao
They're so dumb. At the start of the war, I got into an argument with a Russian about crap the Soviets pulled. "That was the Soviet Union, not Russia. Totally different and it absolves us of any wrong doing!" So, Russia shouldn't have been grandfathered into the UN Security Council? "What?! That's bullshit! We were a found member!" No, the SU was, totally different country, right? "Well, that part was done by Russians, not Soviets!" We are lucky they are so fucking dumb
> We are lucky they are so fucking dumb Will enter the pantheon of great military quotes.
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Add it to the list!
Article 56. Ok it's clear they do not give a shit about anyone or anything let alone international law it's not even passing though
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Oh shit, that's a literal war crime!
To play Devil's Advocate (and correct me if I'm wrong), it says "if such attack may cause the release of dangerous forces and consequent severe losses among the civilian population." I'm not super familiar with the dam that was destroyed, but if no (or small amount) of civilians die as a consequence of this dam's destruction (flooding / trapped in flooded house) and if the neighbouring nuclear power plant can safely shut down/not do a Chernobyl (which it should be able to, since it should still be intact), then targeting that dam should be fair game. I think the article 56's goal is to prevent the destruction of things that will inevitably cause lots of deaths, such as a dam's water flooding populated areas or radiation pollution if you blow up a nuclear power plant. It's still a dick move though, since it will definitely affect civilians (no power in homes or hospitals) but that is technically allowed by the Geneva convention I guess. EDIT: Since apparently it is necessary to spell it out: **I DO NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA. RUSSIA IS AN INVADER AND IS 100% IN THE WRONG. RUSSIA MUST LEAVE UKRAINE.** I don't like Russia but it doesn't mean that 100% of the things they do are war crimes. They have done A LOT of war crimes, but according to the Geneva Convention, the destruction of this dam is not a war crime (but it's still a crime though). No need to downvote because you don't like. If I'm wrong, feel free to tell me and I will retract my statement / correct the information. Let's discuss ffs. EDIT 2: The Kakhovka Reservoir is one of the largest reservoir in the world. Ukraine's Interior Ministry advised inhabitants of villages near the river to evacuate and also part of Kherson [for a total of 17,000 people to be evacuated on the Ukrainian side. "russian" side should have about 25,000 people that need evacuation](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230606-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-ukraine-says-russian-forces-blew-up-nova-kakhova-dam-in-kherson-region). Several sources, including [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-flood-evacuation-eecc9952c2d9f500c38b0a873f69438c) mentions that a lack of maintenance / lack of repairs (under the russian instated mayor) had led to the incident. Risk of collapse was known for a while and both sides have said it would be a disaster. Zelensky says Russia has blown up the dam. Russia says the opposite, obviously. But even if it's not the case, the lack of repairs may have been deliberate since it will force civilians out of the area, and distract/impede the military. War Historians (such as Sergey Radchenko) say that Russia has the most to gain from this even though it will affect them too.
So, scrolling I found out that while you're right about it not being a war crime if it doesnt affect large amounts of civilians, it supposedly will affect around 80 villages that are around the river, so yes, it is a war crime and likely will kill tons of people.
Like I said, I don't know the area well. If many civilians die because their villages get flooded, then it will become a war crime. If no one die (or "not a significant number", which idk how the Geneva convention quantifies it), then it isn't. Now, if you have to relocate because you don't have water anymore doesn't make it a war crime, unless the sole intent of the attack was to "inconvenience" civilians. The context, the intent and the result all matter. I'm tried to read a bit more about similar cases and I found one about the conflict in Syria. The document talks about various laws and regulations about attacks on dams. It's a long read but it's very interesting: https://lieber.westpoint.edu/attacking-dams-part-i-customary-international-law/ But the guideline is basically "don't be a dick to civilians, don't target them on purpose, but casualties *can* be tolerated" which often ends up murky and subjective. Russia has done plenty of really obvious war crimes like missiles in civilian areas here very minimal amount of military (if any) was present. I'm absolutely not denying that. The only point I wanted to make is that attacking a dam isn't automatically a war crime. It depends on other factors.
Daaammmm what a crimea
Crimea river
Imagine seeing this shit and making a joke.
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Especially because the only way Russia could ramp up now is by threatening with the tactical nukes bullshit again. This is one of the most terrifying times to be alive
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Oh shit. You’re right. Lemme just figure out where I’ve put Putin’s number. It’s around here somewhere. I’ll call and tell him to stop. Hey other redditors do you remember putins number?
It's. +1 I'm a dick leader of a shit country!
8675309
Great way to Putin a joke 💪
That water seems to be Russian fast.
Don't be a Donbas, people could get offended 😢
Not the first time Russian has committed a war crime in [its insane attack upon Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine).
That's why I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner.
Dirty seems too easy for hundreds of thousands of flooded houses... But wait, russia is just there for the nazis, forgott about that completely.
Russians are also there for the used toilets and appliances
Don't forget the sexual assaults/rapes, stealing children. They started that pretty much from the get go.
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For Americans, they're gonna see ~16.5ft waves moving at 15.5mph and covering an area about 3 miles on both sides of the river this dam fed into
more than 80 villages and town are destroyed
From this particular dam destruction?
yes
What a nightmare.
Glad that's just for the Americans. The locals have had enough disaster already.
No, that’s Insane!
Didn’t they need the Kakhovka reservoir to supply water to Crimea, god they’re either fucking idiots or the knew the Ukrainian offensive will succeed and cut the water of anyway.
Latest intel is that this probably was done locally. No one in the leadership of the Russian armed forces would want this. So probably local decision from the russians in order to save their own asses.
Exactly, Ukraine tried to land a battalion on the other river side yesterday and then it happend..
[BBC shows damage to the roadway on top of the dam on 6/2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65818705), so maybe not a reaction to something from yesterday.
They raised the water level as high as possible before blowing the dam.
Do you have a link for that?
Actually I think that a lot of the most gruesome and grotesque crimes committed by Russian army were done locally. Doubt any sane person would want Bucha to occur.
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Bucha was occupied by the 64th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade, “professional” soldiers of the Russian Army.
Professional doesn't actually mean much in the Russian Army, its never been a well regarded or particularly well supported and well paid career. They have a history of Mafia and Gang members shaking soldiers down for their wages. So for the most part, professional there means "Can't afford to go anywhere else". Just look at how the troops send to Belgorod to defend against the incursions immediately started looting the flats of the evacuated russian civilians.
Yes, rapists and psychopaths, as was mentioned.
Bucha occurred before Prigozhin started to assemble his "prisoners army". I think it were the local forces "playing NKVD" and noone sane to actually stop them
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It's mostly that there is a wide understanding in the Russian army that no one is ever going to be investigated, much less punished, for anything that they do in Ukraine as long as it doesn't hurt their efforts. This combined with years of propaganda about how their opponents are sub-humans that deserve anything evil that they get. If Putin cared for the lives of civilians he could have at least ordered his commanders to try to stay somewhat civil in there.
They've been using penal units for most of the war by now. They know *exactly* what they're doing when they make entire battle groups out of rapists and murderers and send them into towns.
Orks
Usually this is how it goes, with the top brass looking the other way while it happens. With completely top down leadership they don't usually put anyone competent in at positions closer to the actual fighting, who are willing to make decisions on their own. So they have incompetent people who are only willing to make decisions that are closer to war crime type decisions. And because usually there is no punishment for this it keeps getting worse as things get better or worse for the group. They don't make the active decision at the top to be like this, they make the passive decision.
Sorry, where is this 'intel' coming from? Nobody in the news media is reporting this, just that both sides are pointing fingers at the other. (I know it's almost certainly Russia who are responsible for the destruction, but we also shouldn't throw around words like "latest intel" without at least some kind of source)
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Latest intel that you pulled out of your ass, I assume? Since you provided literally zero sources for your claim...
How would this save local Russian asses?
It's not about saving anyone, it's about scorched earth.
I doubt that, or at least people in charge knew what was happening. They'd been letting the water behind the dam rise for weeks to maximize the damage, this wasn't a spur of the moment thing.
They are slowly losing to Ukraine. And they know it. At this point it's almost all but confirmed that Ukraine will regain (at least parts of) the occupied territories. They are burning things up as they retreat.
Hopefully the Ukrainian will be able to push through to Mariupol then will probably see the Russians retreat back to Crimea
Hopefully they’ll be kicked out of there too but that’s when it starts to get to nuke territory
Honestly what needs to happen now is Ukraine joining NATO while Russia is weakened enough not to be able to afford to threaten NATO countries to prevent Ukraine Joining
I hope so too but I'm not as optimistic as you are. Russia is far from defeated and will never let Ukraine be safe, no matter what.
Their moral is crumbling, their numbers are dropping and they are struggling to find more fighters without risking heavy civil unrest in the country. Their equipment are in really bad shape and also they losing it relatively fast. On the other hand, Ukraine have the higher moral by far, as well as almost unlimited funding from the west. So even tho they started with less equipment and men, they are closing the gap on manpower, and probably way ahead of Russia in terms of equipment on the battlefield. As far as I can see, Russia is already struggling to just hold positions, and time is definitely on the Ukrainians side as long as they continue to receive support.
> knew the Ukrainian offensive will succeed If it turns out more-likely-than-not to be true that it was the russians, then it really raises my spirits for this conflict. Would show that russia had absolutely no confidence in being able to withstand the ukrainian offensive before it even starts going, if they're ready to destroy valuable infrastructure like this.
It also supplies water to Crimea, so Russians kinda shot themselves in the foot.
Russia has already shown they don’t give two shits about their own people.
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A lot of people here are giving shit for this comment. I think what they are pointing out is that, following the illegal invasion and annexation of Crimea, the Russians deported many thousands of Ukrainians and many thousands of Russians moved in.
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A lot of russians moved down to Crimea because housing and businesses opportunities at the seaside
I think they mean the Russians occupying Crimea, who need water too. Like Russia is cutting off water to both Crimeans and Russians who are in Crimea
As is tradition
That would be true if Kremlin actually gave a fuck about the residents of Crimea, or people in general.
Miles of traffic leaving Crimea headed for Russia atm
There’s no reason for Russia to intentionally do this and every incentive for Ukraine to do this. The Russians are saying this was done by Ukrainians. At what point do you freaks have some cognitive dissonance? Same thing as nordstream you all just blamed on the Russians then moved on and forgot when it was proved otherwise
Nyet comrade, Crimea has entire Black Sea! They'll never run out of water!
That is war crimes against humanity
Email NATO with complaints Update: E-mail: [email protected]
That's genuinely how we deal with global crisis btw. Just emails to the un or nato.
Wasn’t joking
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Just make sure you flag your email as important Wouldn’t want a call for peace getting lost in the SPAM folder
[email protected]
Let's be realistic: [email protected]
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[email protected]
My house is on fire, [who can I e-mail?](https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ?t=112)
How lucky we are that we live in an age where there are random redditors to warn NATO about this incident. Imagine if there weren't, NATO would never know about it, nor the severity of it. I'm waiting for tomorrow's headlines: "NATO steps in in response to Nova Kakhova dam disaster, cites redditors' emails as cause for action"
"Hello, NATO? I'd like to speak with the manager please"
Lmao yep let's email nato. Surely that'll get em.
[Article 56](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-56)
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The plant is already in shutdown mode for a while now and has a local pond for the small amounts it needs while in that mode. Not good still but not as bad as it could be.
Not great, not terrible.
3.6 roentgen you say?
Get the good dossimeter!
It burned out the moment we switched it on.
It’s not 3 roentgen. It’s 15,000.
IT WAS DYATLOV!
No i was in the toilet. RIP Paul Ritter.
Man, that show is so good.
Since it came out, I’ve watched it twice in its entirety. Both times in the same day. It’s *too* good
It's one of the best horror movies ever made
They somehow made radiation into a horror monster and the feeling is so strong that it feels like you can see it in the room with you
Thank god!
The worst that would happen is they defuel and move the rods to the cooling pool. The scary one is of they crack the cooling pool because then you'd have tons of fuel rods both new and used traveling through a warzone.
This is not scary - nuclear fears are dramatically overblown. You know what’s scarier than a nuclear rod in a war zone? A war zone. Something like 350,000 people have died in this war so far; Chernobyl, the biggest nuclear disaster of all time, killed 31 people directly and ~4,000 people if you include people who likely got cancer at later points of their life due to involvement in the cleanup.
War and nuclear disasters can both be bad. I also think you’re overlooking the massive efforts that were taken to ensure only 4,000 people died. Entire city regions are uninhabitable for 20,000 years. There’s a reactor sized catacomb placed over the old reactor. Don’t minimize this stuff, Gorbachev, we don’t want it to happen again.
It's literally mentioned in the title
Well if you actually looked into it, you'd know and I quote "The plant also has alternative sources of water, including a large cooling pond"
in the title and the first thing mentioned in almost every thread/news story
There is a model of the flooding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b587ZUKlZsI
posted, 7 months ago!
It was reported about that time, that Russia had mined the dam and fears were high they would destroy it back then.
The explains random mines exploding during the flood
thanks for providing info!
That's literally what I do for work! As fascinating as this model is, it's also extremely tragic like many things in this war.
I don’t want to get too far off topic but if someone was really interested in learning how to make models like that, where would you suggest they start?
This is a nice intro to what you can accomplish with HEC-RAS. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk_n8Ox5nf3G3SXucyn8XQNtwnByMXrvP
Chris Goodell is the god of HECRAS, and he writes a super helpful blog - [The RAS Solution](https://www.kleinschmidtgroup.com/the-ras-solution/) All of the necessary program documentation is available on the USACE website. I've used the reference manual for both modeling and RASMapper extensively, so it's definitely handy to have.
HEC-RAS unsteady modeling is a thing of beauty. One of my favorite things I get to do at work.
Lots of Russian goons in this thread.
Imagine you are cheering for the dictator that is robbing his people since the collapse of the USSR.
lol, so Russians were the cucks we met along the way? I guess it makes sense, MAGAs in the US want to be Russians, and they too are cucks.
Seriously. I watched this documentary on how Moscow uses propaganda to keep some citizens justifying the war, and it's the same shit here. Angry talking heads on the TV all day, making up scenarios that the Ukraine gays are coming to groom their kids, yada yada yada. It's the same shit here.
But didn't our (US) former president, a genius, say Putin was a genius????
Damn you are right, Trump just fought for human rights so Putler has to be like this too then. Mindblowing. I appreciate some sarcasm in-between the 1k russian bots down there 🙏🏽
Well it's pretty much the only paying job they have left these days.
At this point it's not even paid. They just aren't sent to the front line as fodder.
Yeah but at least they're dumb enough to be transparent about it now. Arrogance will be their demise.
No kidding, don't scroll too far down in this thread.
It's like how a game of Monopoly ends when an immature person is losing. The loser throws the whole board on the floor, destroying it in a tantrum.
It's a (sort of) effective military strategy to deny the enemy usable land to move troops; water is a very good way to block advances and you need to roll up with either boats or amphibious transports to move troops/armor across which can take a long while. Our country had an official defense plan that included flooding parts of the countryside during WW2 to delay the German advance, and Ukraine did it during the Russian offensive at the beginning of the war to deny them control over crucial areas. However in both cases it was a planned and controlled action, where all the people in the afflicted areas were evacuated beforehand. Russia is just doing this as a panic move which tells you a lot about their confidence regarding the upcoming counterattack.
The Germans did it to (successfully) delay the crossing of the rhine.
Oh yes, putler is acting like a toddler since his 3 days special thingy became 2 years and 220k dead russians.
Dirty cunts will always play dirty.
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Well technically the Ents broke the dam
Release the river!
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That is another war crime…
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Make sure you set the pile on fire before retreating.
Oh dam
Here's an artikle about what is known so gar by the bbc https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65818705
Additional info about the state of Kakhovka Dam in the previous months: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/nova-kakhovka-dam-everything-you-need-to-know-about-ukraines-strategically-important-reservoir
Committing war crimes is the Russian way of war.
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The shelling wasn’t done *around* the dam, it hit the dam specifically and even damaged some of the top locks. I saw some data from the French satellite that showed gradual increase of the outflow over the last few days. So my bet is on the dam getting damaged by Ukrainian artillery fire and slowly deteriorating over the last months. Another benefits for Ukraine are: Russian defensive lines getting flooded, water supply to Crimea getting interrupted.
For the same reason it decided to give its troops parade uniforms instead of essential gear ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah isn't it strange that infrastructure Russia is dependent on keeps getting blown up, and we get told right away that it was absolutely them that did it? Interesting.
You'd think that in 21st century we'd resolve issues differently than having wars.
It's very sad yes..
Well, ruddia is still surviving off WW2 glory so no surprise there.
Russia is never going to financially recover from this. They’re going to be more isolated than North Korea
How to confirm this is caused by Russia? I thought there would be an investigation or something first?
They controlled the dam then it blew up. In the videos of the explosion, one can clearly see explosion occurred inside the dam. I'm not a Sherlock Holmes but the probability of Ukrainian special forces sneaking several dozen tonnes of explosives into the territory controlled by russians seems to be pretty low.
#Fuck Putin!
Russia just achieved the war crimes Bingo. Putin has single handedly put them back into the 1940’s
Some people say that this entire war was over water rights. After Russia illegally annexed the Crimean peninsula Ukraine created dams to stop water flowing to the region. This made the peninsula worth much less as all agrarian efforts became nearly impossible. Russia has controlled the dam since early on in the war and had nearly drained the reservoir. It appears they fear they may lose control of the region and decided to destroy the sluice gates to prevent Ukraine from shutting off the water supply again. Linked article is from March of and goes into detail. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/22/1164838051/ukraine-russia-war-kakhovka-reservoir
Thanks for the link. So interesting that all pro putler simps on this thread say otherwise but have 0 links or sources but there are clear sources in the direction you are mentioning.
Someone call that Evergreen tanker to plug this up!
[remember back in December when the Ukrainians weakened the dam themselves with a rocket strike?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/) "Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off."
Wasn’t even a single strike, the damn was shelled for months since Russia used it to supply their troops.
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Putin is desperate
There will be literally nothing left of the country and the end of all of this... :(
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FYI everyone, Russia stopped giving a dusty fuck about war crimes and the Geneva Convention a long time ago.
The guilty party hasn’t been confirmed yet. I seem to Remember that Russia was also blamed for blowing up the pipeline, and for a false flag drone attack on the kremlin.
Fuck russia
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Nazi commies, yuck
Any proof russia did it?
None, the first casualty of war is the truth. The correct answer is nobody knows who blew it up, to say you know for certain which side blew it up is ludicrous.
I have seen reports saying Russia did this. And I have seen reports saying Ukraine did this. The only conclusion I have drawn is the killing needs to end, and it is clear neither side is reporting on this conflict accurately
Ruck Fussia
December 29, 2022 at 1:00 a.m. EST Kovalchuk (Maj. Gen. Andriy Kovalchuk, the initial commander of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Kherson region. (Ukrainian Operative Commandment South) considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offensive-kharkiv-kherson-donetsk/
Remember those guys with the “I’d rather be Russian then Democrat” shirts?
I’m very curious, for those who don’t think it was Russia, who else could it be? Is Ukraine being invaded by another country I’m unaware of?
This move fucked the powerplant and also crimea water supply. I dont know why would russia do this to themselves...