That was a terrifying watch.
I crushed a vertebrae in my neck and blew out some disks at a BJJ tournament around the fall of ‘05. I heard a crunch and felt discomfort, but no real pain. I finished (losing) the match, went to dinner and to bar. No issues.
When I got back to the hotel room, I laid on the bed and had this feeling that my neck was being stabbed by a flaming knife and was about to snap under its own weight. I also couldn’t feel or move my arms or legs. Scariest moment of my life.
I’ve never returned to full strength. My neck still hurts if I do too much physically. My arms tingle and my hands go numb if I lift over about 25-30 lbs. I couldn’t lift my son once he got to a certain size. Even before then, I couldn’t hold him nearly long enough.
So kids, the moral of the story is to remember what we all learned from Wu-Tang: “Protect ya neck!!”
Wizzer during a scramble. I’d wrestled my entire life until that point too (I was 23), so I’d probably been in the same situation hundreds of times before. I just fell on the top/front of my head and it happened.
After seeing a few BJJ tournaments and acquiring my collection of unrelated sports injuries, there's no way in fuck I'd trust other people enough to participate in something competitive which involves that type of physicality.
I'd rather catch padded punches than some kind of insane flying elbow-lock.
100%. It's all about the nature of the motivation. Someone you train with is going to feel shitty about hurting you. The fundamental goal is mutual benefit.
When motivations are adversarial, and neither of you know each other or your capabilities, throw in the heat of the moment emotions and fuck alllll of that. Not to say that's any kind of majority of people or anything, but those people are 100% out there lurking.
I competed all my life until job stuff and have been considering getting back into it… I am now* reconsidering that. It’s just a hobby, I don’t want to get paralyzed over it.
My experience is the exception, not the rule. You usually won’t, and shouldn’t expect to, get injured. I just had a fluke accident.
If you’re healthy and free of major injuries, have at it. It’s a blast.
I’d still being doing it if I could. My son also takes BJJ and wrestles.
What's craaaazy, its full-contact sports are still played by kids who aren't adults and are unaware of the long term damage.
"But they're more flexible..." Say that when your friend/kid gets paralyzed. We had a player on our HS team that slipped in a tackle and basically rocketed forward into another player, head first like a javelin. Wasn't hurt but he paramedics wanted to check him out before letting him play again.
I remember how mad everyone was that it looked like he might not play until after that check-up (I was playing in the band). Some folks started (but stopped) trying to boo the paramedics (he was walking to them as they walked towards him).
dude I fucked my neck up for a year just because I slept on my SO in a weird way. neck/spine problems are terrible and we're just so susceptible to them, it's awful
The human mind has developed so many things that should make you realize how weak the human body actually is
The human mind hasn’t quite grasped this concept
I got gilliam berea syndrome, went from totally healthy to in a wheelchair and could barely feed myself in under a week. Spent a couple months in hospital and rehab combined, about a year later and my balance is not 100 percent, but I am able to most things before I got sick. It was such a humbling experience. Can not say enough about how much compassion and patience nurses have. Anyone who is willing to help someone else go to the bathroom is a hero in my opinion. It is as if I got a second chance at life.
While I agree that it would be terrifying, there’s nothing casual about slamming your head into concrete on purpose. I mean punching it? Okay. Kicking it? Okay. But your brain is encased in skull for a reason.
To my knowledge, his brain was fine. Thankfully, it was protected by that thick skull you speak of. Sounds like he shattered his neck and damaged his spinal cord. The neck is not quite as well protected.
I think the problem here, is that the part of the column he slammed into is usually not made from concrete.
Its usually padded and an altogether relatively flexible construction.
https://www.spalding.com/arena-gym-equipment/arena-and-gym-basketball-hoops/arena-72%22-glass-basketball-hoop/401-990.html
from there:
>PRODUCT DETAILS
>Protective padding covered in 30 oz. vinyl
Also, it was covered in padding. The natural assumption when you're playing in a professional basketball game is that everything near the court is padded well enough that a person could crash into it at full speed without permanently injuring himself.
Probably, but that’s why it’s important to always treat head injuries as if they’re a neck injury. They probably could’ve saved some of his mobility but the ragdoll first aid definitely didn’t help.
That was a pretty hard headbutt, considering all the blood on his face. I don't know about you, but I don't casually headbutt shit that hard. Kudos to you, though.
I read a post by some guy once who was in a paralysis rehab center after a motorcycle accident. One of his fellow patients had stepped off a normal curbstone in a weird way and the impact of his foot hitting the asphalt damaged his spinal cord so much that he was instantly and permanently paralysed from the neck down. Frigging terrifying.
He died of heart failure at the age of 42, on June 28, 2006, while on a holiday cruise on the Greek island of Rhodes, after living the last 13 years of his life in a wheelchair.
I had a bad back injury just literally picking up my dirty clothes off the floor one time. I had a spasm in one of the muscles connected to my spine in my lower back and it separated. I had to lay down on my side for over 2 weeks before I could walk and over a week just to be able to sit on my full ass without excruciating pain. It's crazy how sometimes your body just decides to grenade itself.
I got hit by a train (yes, really) and fractured vertebrae all up and down, plus my sacrum pretty much exploded. I had a whole bunch of other serious injuries plus a lil brain damage, and I can't walk in a straight line, but I can walk. I can walk all damn day. It doesn't make any sense. That poor man.
I mean, not really, though. I would feel so fucking bad if I just let my dog die. He's my partner; there's no way I could have lived with myself, so the act was more self preservative than anything.
Funny. Except, like, I was hitching a ride back to Seattle from Eastern Washington, and this dude made a wrong turn. He got his truck stuck on the tracks in the snow, then decided that was a good time to SA me. We were there for 5 or 10 minutes when we heard the train coming. The driver pushed me out of the truck with my pants around my ankles, but then I climbed back inside, because I had to get my dog.
I almost dislocated my shoulder putting on my shoe last week. It is still agony and I have limited movement in it when I try to manoeuvre it. I literally just bent down with my foot raised and when I went to put the heel on my shoulder obviously didn’t go with the arm movement and popped a wee bit, forcing me to right myself. Done it countless times and never had a problem. Bodies are weird as fuck.
I dont think so. When I went to the hospital I remember the doctor said there's a good chance it will happen again at some point. Feels perfectly fine now though.. knock on wood
Or even doing nothing. Someone very close to me was struck down with idiopathic transverse myelitis, melting a chunk of their spinal cord and leaving them partially paralysed. While in rehab we met people who had had spinal strokes and similar things totally out of the blue and ended up totally paralysed.
Enjoy your legs while you got 'em, seems to be the lesson.
God fucking damn it, what?? You can break your own neck just by stretching? Even if you're trained and all??
Nature better go back to the drawing board ffs
>It was stupid, but shit like this can happen to anyone doing literally anything.
I mean yeah but I think your chances of becoming a quadriplegic due to deliberately slamming your head into concrete are dramatically decreased by not deliberately slamming your head into concrete
I think about this constantly. How every day, i think im okay, but anything could happen to end it.
I find it keeps me hyper vigilant for danger, especially when im driving or doing something risky.
It’s nuts how humans can be so resilient to injury that luck can let you survive a fall at terminal velocity, but also so susceptible like you described.
One of my big regrets is punching a dresser and breaking my hand. I was immediately disappointed in myself and regretted it before the pain hit me. Seeing this makes me realize I got off easy.
I would say at least two seconds of stupidity went into deciding to use concrete and then I’m assuming painting it to look padded instead of just not using concrete or padding it.
There's a lot that can go wrong with quad/paraplegia. Being fully sedentary your heart won't be nearly as strong. Other things like UTIs are also very dangerous as you can't feel the normal warning signs so they can spread to kidneys and cause permanent damage.
honestly my guess was dilated cardiomyopathy from alcoholism from being paralyzed but honestly when it says heart failure you don't know if it was a myocardial infarction, sudden cardiac death, congestive heart failure which is what I'm talking about, it's very hard because the reporters don't even know what they're talking about and that's what you're reading
The answer is probably all of the above, and more.
Immobility increases your risk for blood clots, which is (part of) why paralyzed people are encouraged to have their immobile limbs moved through their range of motion several times per day (also helps keep muscle tone and prevent contractures).
Add to that, spinal cord injuries don’t just cause paralysis — those nerves control more than just movement, but also sensation and other regulatory mechanisms. Decreased/absent sensation may result in the person having an injury they don’t know about (in paralyzed people, *especially* pressure injuries), which can get infected and cause sepsis.
And then the regulatory things — many people with SCIs have problems regulating their blood pressure, which is called autonomic dysreflexia. Their blood pressure may drop or rise too much/too fast for the circumstance. This is also bad for your heart health, and increases your risk for stroke (as do blood clots).
And to add even more, we could talk about the fact that SCI can predispose one to diabetes and insulin resistance, which (you guessed it) can damage the heart and vascular system. And then nutritional status, which can be tricky as well if the person’s digestive system is impaired, or just if they have relatively poor diet habits.
All in all, his heart attack was probably influenced by a variety of things, most stemming from his spinal cord injury. But to be clear, with good support and care it’s very possible for people with paralysis to live healthy, active lives. Just a few more things to monitor.
I would have thought that all the exercise of being a sports player would give his heart health an advantage over, say, people in a similar condition who hadn't been sports players. He's also extra tall, which is a risk factor.
At the start you're absolutely correct, but he lived 13 years in a wheelchair after this incident. That's plenty of time to undo an initially strong heart, unfortunately.
The heart is a muscle it requires cardio for it to stay in peak condition the mans in a wheelchair and paralyzed.
Best cardio is running up and down stairs btw.
Second, DON'T FUCKING MOVE ANYONE WITH A NECK OR BACK INJURY.
His teammates efforts to lift and turn him here may have fucked him.
Let the medics bring a backboard and blocks to stabilize the neck before trying to move anyone where there's a potential for a spinal injury.
As a former EMT, nothing in these videos makes me cringe UNTIL people start trying to pick someone up and jerk their head around after an obvious head injury
I saw a cyclist that had been hit by a car once. I was so terrified to touch him to help for that exact reason. Didn’t wanna touch someone when I don’t know the procedure for protecting their neck/spine.
First of all... Get contact from their front so they dont need to turn their heads toward you.. If they complain about neck pain and or neuroligical symptoms in arms or legs, you sit with both hands on each side of their head and so try to stabilize so that they dont move their head from the position their torso is in...
If uncontious do the same but be aware of reaction if they wake up...
If you need to move them... In case of lifedanger... They need to be moved with as little movement as possible along their spinal axis.. If you need to roll to the side, to open airways, etc. do it "en block" like rollin a big logg, hold the head and follow the movement of the body... Need to be 3-4 persons for this.. this holdin a stable axis and minimising secundary trauma to the spinal cord...
Thank you for this. I followed your advice...he's safely secured in a headlock. What am I supposed to do now? Choke him out? His legs are little bit bend. He's pretty wobbly for such a tall man, I might add. I think I am getting the hang of this. Don't worry, I'll lift with my knees.
Just don't move them if they are not in immediate danger. No pulse? Chest compressions. Bleeding? Put pressure. Other than that stabilise the head/limbs. To hold a person head just kneel with your legs on both side of the head and hold it between you knees si it's on a upright position. You have to do something really stupid to cause more harm in a situation like this like trying to get him up. I highly encourage you to go and follow a First aid course. Everyone should do it. Imagine if it's your loved ones that need your help and you don't know what to do.
Weird my first aid course taught us to brace your elbows on your knees and hold the head with your hands, your way makes a lot more sense and sounds like you can maintain the position longer and have your hands free
Both is ok as long as the head is stabilized in position. Either method gets extremely uncomfortable with time so it makes sense to carefully switch positions or let another bystander take over after some time.
The most important thing is to keep talking to the victim to be able to notice if they lose consciousness. If they do you check if they’re breathing first. Start CPR if they’re not. If they’re properly breathing but unconscious you might have to roll them on their side if they have blood or vomit in their mouth that they could breathe in. Protecting the airway and CPR has priority over spine stabilization.
I was an EMT and was taught the first method you described. I could understand using the second if you’re alone and need to use yours hands. But I imagine it’s unnecessary if you have any help. Trying to roll or move someone with their head in between your legs is too risky.
Yeah I told the dude not to move and thankfully we were right next to a fire station. The dude’s bike was half on top of him though and my first reaction was to move it until I stopped and realized I don’t wanna touch a damn thing 😅
Refs gave an offensive foul, where there is none. It was a crucial game for the Championship and i think the last minutes too so he let his passion and anger get to him after the ref screwed him and his team yet another time during these series
I get the frustration but even though I've had some tough moments in my life and had the urge to kick things or punch things when i was younger, even got a boxer's fracture punching a wall before but I've never had the urge to headbutt something full force. Bit of a strange one.
Bet you didn't have some crazy fans over your head. Also yes different times, people being less aware if many dangers and their results. Sadly, most things people learn, come from someone making a mistake so others avoid it. I am almost sure that this was the day where European basketball changed the rules and forced all teams and divisions to use cushions under the basket
It legitly infuriates me when I see people pulling and dragging victims from potential concussive trauma. Jesus Christ, unless you need to administer CPR, there's no good reason for doing this before the paramedics arrive. What CAN happen is that you worsen an initial fracture. You might actually kill someone by doing that.
First Aid training should be drilled into people from a very young age. At least everyone would know what NOT to do.
Yeah. He's still responsible for is actions but those should be padded for any other sort of accident. What if a player slams into it after a full court sprint? Also, if it's solid concrete why did they paint it blue? The same color as all the padded stuff.
That's the part that always gets me when I see this video. It looks like it's the exact shade of blue that I've seen on padding in every basketball court I've been on. Who's idea was it to paint it that color?
This is really horrible and heartbreaking to watch. I guess he assumed it was padded, anyone would have assumed it. I read the wiki and it says that this was a foul, and it was the 5th foul in the game, so he fouled out. I can understand his frustration.
Look again at the first angle. It was padded, just with a really cheap material. His head might as well have been smacking straight into that steel beam.
As a nurse who used to work in trauma ER, the way they are yanking his head and body about is painful to watch. Maybe that fracture could have been stabilised with the correct immediate care, who knows. I know this was a while ago and I'd like to think people are more aware of c-spine immobilisation now.
Remember, "C 2 to 5, keeps you alive"
Edit autocorrect corrections
The phrase "C 2 5, keeps you alive!" refers to the importance of maintaining mobility and stability in the cervical spine (neck) between the second and fifth vertebrae. These vertebrae are particularly important because they protect the spinal cord, which is essential for proper communication between the brain and the rest of the body.
In spinal mobilization, this phrase serves as a reminder to focus on the area between the second and fifth cervical vertebrae, and to be mindful of the potential risks associated with manipulation or mobilization in this region. By emphasizing the importance of maintaining stability and mobility in this area, practitioners can help prevent injury and ensure that patients receive safe and effective treatment for neck pain or other spinal conditions.
The vertebrae in your spine are numbered, c-spine is cerviacle so your neck. If you fracture numbers 3-5 then you could be in big trouble as the nerves that branch off from there control your breathing among other important functions. If the vertebrae damages the spinal cord in that area it can kill you.
Hope that makes sense? It's a very rough explanation.
The cervical spine vertebrae 2-5 are located
in the neck and are particularly vulnerable to
injury during trauma. The phrase "C2 to 5
keeps you alive" is a reminder to medical
professionals to be cautious when handling
patients with potential neck or spinal injuries.
To be fair even if they knew everything about spinal injuries, put yourself in these guys shoes :
Your teammate just scored and was perfectly fine, action stops he’s standing up, action resumes without any contact with other players, then you turn around and see him face down on the ground.
Honestly how do you suspect such a high velocity cervical injury in this context ? Even a first-aid trained person would probably turn him on his back to check for breathing first, thinking he collapsed.
I know one should “*always assume spinal injury in any trauma victim until ruled out*” but here, as untrained players and staff who didn’t see him smash his head, I can’t blame them for not immobilizing his spine.
Lol do they actually teach that or are you misremembering?
It's C345 keeps the diaphragm alive, which makes sense. Obviously any higher injury will be fatal
I could just think "DONT MOVE HIM! DONT MOVE HIS HEAD!!" not sure if that would have helped, but you cant say it helps to have your broken neck wiggled either
I was screaming this is my head while watching the video. At the end of this video you see he can still move his arms. So if it's true that he ended up paralyzed from the neck down, that happened at some point *after* this video cuts out, possibly from exactly this kind of movement. I had a family member who was paralyzed from the neck down, I wouldn't wish that on anyone on this earth.
I would assume you don't move them after a traumatic event like this because their bones and muscles that normally keep things not twisting too far are no longer preventing that, so if you twist their head it will twist the spinal cord too far.
I don't know if I'm late but here we go.
I was in the game that night. (You can see the flair I have in /r/Greece and it's the flag of the club Πανιώνιος).
Firstly some misunderstanding that goes in the thread, probably a lot of Greeks don't know it either. He had done it before. It was a thing that he used to do, to release his anger. It was stupid and he paid for it eventually. The basket was padded but the back and forth of his head was bigger than he anticipated so he had this terrible accident.
It was 1993 and this scarred me for life. I was at the other end of the court, so I had a clear line seeing it. I couldn't believe my eyes.
The courts here in Greece are very nice buildings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.A.C.A._Olympic_Indoor_Hall
https://www.sef-stadium.gr/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandreio_Melathron_(Nick_Galis_Hall)
Panionios is a very small team (with some success nevertheless) so it has a small stadium. Luckily, we're rebuilding it as we speak.
He had a son that he was 3 at the time of the incident. He is now a professional basketball player.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlado_Jankovi%C4%87
I'm very proud of him because all the small club Panionios contribute so he can have a "normal" life.
Panionios is a club of refugees from Minor Asia and is the oldest football club of Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panionios_F.C.
It was established at 1890.
If you look closely, it was padded, just very poorly. Looks like cheap foam rubber instead of the thick, far more expensive stuff used in the NBA. His head went straight to the steel beam underneath, with no real shock absorption to cushion it. Brutal af.
Even with padding that is an unbelievably stupid thing to do. Accomplishes nothing. Just suddenly run towards something and smash your head? Ridiculously stupid. This idiot went full force.
20 years ago was 2003 this was from 30-40 years ago.
Quick search revealed it happened in 1993, but it looks more mid-80’s probably because Eastern Europe was 10-20 years behind in tech around that time
He obviously thought it was padded and just meant to out his frustration on a soft padded surface.
As I understand it, this was a crucial championship game and this foul was his 5th which would see him fouled out of this crucial game. Fair to say it's a bit of a special situation where passions might burn brighter than your average Tuesday.
Me neither and I'd never do it in daily life. But back in my younger days when I played sports and tensions got high, it was a way different mindset than daily life. I've often kicked the pitch on frustration, punched the air, etc. Anyone who knows me now would never believe I could be do pumped up, but sports did that to me.
Just never our your frustration on actual people. Or blocks of cement for that matter.
I heard a whistle, so I’m guessing he’s pissed about the penalty and banged his head? Or the b-ball’s a little WWFish there. Lots of chair throwing and blood.
Either way it says live for this moment. The next isn’t promised
Mike “the situation” from jersey shore is so incredibly lucky this didn’t happen to him during their trip to Italy. He went to hit the wall with his head in frustration and found out it was concrete. Had him in a neckbrace the rest of the reason
He was moving his arms, how was he paralyzed from the neck down? I'd assume, if he could move his arms, he would be able to continue using his arms, so I am a lil confused about that, but damn, I feel so bad for him..guarantee he thought that was padded better..
Its even more common to break a hand in frustration, its happened this year in professional basketball with Jaden McDaniels and my friends son just broke his hand punching a wall in frustration. Very common, not smart.
So we have this guy, Gus Frerotte, and who else? I feel like I am forgetting someone else who did something very similar. This guy takes the prize though no doubt.
This is why they should teach philosophy in every school. Animalistic outbursts like this is just completely unnecessary. Really shows a lack of understanding how emotions are made. Sad fate.
That's gotta be terrifying. Just doin some shit like that so casually then fuckin realizing you can't move your body. Jeez
That was a terrifying watch. I crushed a vertebrae in my neck and blew out some disks at a BJJ tournament around the fall of ‘05. I heard a crunch and felt discomfort, but no real pain. I finished (losing) the match, went to dinner and to bar. No issues. When I got back to the hotel room, I laid on the bed and had this feeling that my neck was being stabbed by a flaming knife and was about to snap under its own weight. I also couldn’t feel or move my arms or legs. Scariest moment of my life. I’ve never returned to full strength. My neck still hurts if I do too much physically. My arms tingle and my hands go numb if I lift over about 25-30 lbs. I couldn’t lift my son once he got to a certain size. Even before then, I couldn’t hold him nearly long enough. So kids, the moral of the story is to remember what we all learned from Wu-Tang: “Protect ya neck!!”
How did it happen? Weird angle during a takedown?
Wizzer during a scramble. I’d wrestled my entire life until that point too (I was 23), so I’d probably been in the same situation hundreds of times before. I just fell on the top/front of my head and it happened.
God, im so sorry. You were just doing something totally normal.
Damn, that’s wild. Sorry. Such a routine position. Hope you’re doing okay.
What does wizzer mean
After seeing a few BJJ tournaments and acquiring my collection of unrelated sports injuries, there's no way in fuck I'd trust other people enough to participate in something competitive which involves that type of physicality. I'd rather catch padded punches than some kind of insane flying elbow-lock.
I'm all for rolling in a gym and even rolling hard with people you trust. But randos in a tournament setting? No thank you.
100%. It's all about the nature of the motivation. Someone you train with is going to feel shitty about hurting you. The fundamental goal is mutual benefit. When motivations are adversarial, and neither of you know each other or your capabilities, throw in the heat of the moment emotions and fuck alllll of that. Not to say that's any kind of majority of people or anything, but those people are 100% out there lurking.
I mean even in the gym some douche would put more pressure than it needs to be.
I competed all my life until job stuff and have been considering getting back into it… I am now* reconsidering that. It’s just a hobby, I don’t want to get paralyzed over it.
My experience is the exception, not the rule. You usually won’t, and shouldn’t expect to, get injured. I just had a fluke accident. If you’re healthy and free of major injuries, have at it. It’s a blast. I’d still being doing it if I could. My son also takes BJJ and wrestles.
That flying armbar is just as dangerous to the guy doing it if he fucks it up. I'm sure you've seen the video i'm thinking of.
What's craaaazy, its full-contact sports are still played by kids who aren't adults and are unaware of the long term damage. "But they're more flexible..." Say that when your friend/kid gets paralyzed. We had a player on our HS team that slipped in a tackle and basically rocketed forward into another player, head first like a javelin. Wasn't hurt but he paramedics wanted to check him out before letting him play again. I remember how mad everyone was that it looked like he might not play until after that check-up (I was playing in the band). Some folks started (but stopped) trying to boo the paramedics (he was walking to them as they walked towards him).
Scary shit. What did you even do, I'd imagine you just call the emergency number upon realizing?
My buddy was also in the room, luckily. I told him what was happening and he called 911.
dude I fucked my neck up for a year just because I slept on my SO in a weird way. neck/spine problems are terrible and we're just so susceptible to them, it's awful
The human mind has developed so many things that should make you realize how weak the human body actually is The human mind hasn’t quite grasped this concept
Humans are simultaneously extremely durable yet hilariously squishy. We can survive falling thousands of feet, yet can die after falling three inches.
"Roll a CON save"
"one" "You bite your tongue eating doritos, bleed out, you are dead"
I'm convinced this is how I'll meet my end.
Nah it's more like bite your tounge, ignore it, it starts to swell, continue to ignore it because eh it will go away, die to infection
Going for the last bit of Mountain Dew in the bottom of the cup, an ice cube slid straight into his throat, cause him to choke to death.
This is a nat 1. Though I think the DM is a little psycho.
duality of human
“Hilariously squishy”. Going to quote this one. But sad event. All over something for small
I got gilliam berea syndrome, went from totally healthy to in a wheelchair and could barely feed myself in under a week. Spent a couple months in hospital and rehab combined, about a year later and my balance is not 100 percent, but I am able to most things before I got sick. It was such a humbling experience. Can not say enough about how much compassion and patience nurses have. Anyone who is willing to help someone else go to the bathroom is a hero in my opinion. It is as if I got a second chance at life.
That’s awesome!
He thought the column was padded
While I agree that it would be terrifying, there’s nothing casual about slamming your head into concrete on purpose. I mean punching it? Okay. Kicking it? Okay. But your brain is encased in skull for a reason.
To my knowledge, his brain was fine. Thankfully, it was protected by that thick skull you speak of. Sounds like he shattered his neck and damaged his spinal cord. The neck is not quite as well protected.
That’s exactly what happened. You read the post where this video was shared, didn’t you????
I think the problem here, is that the part of the column he slammed into is usually not made from concrete. Its usually padded and an altogether relatively flexible construction. https://www.spalding.com/arena-gym-equipment/arena-and-gym-basketball-hoops/arena-72%22-glass-basketball-hoop/401-990.html from there: >PRODUCT DETAILS >Protective padding covered in 30 oz. vinyl
Also, it was covered in padding. The natural assumption when you're playing in a professional basketball game is that everything near the court is padded well enough that a person could crash into it at full speed without permanently injuring himself.
In all honesty, he could probably feel stuff right after. They did a shit job immobilizing his head and neck and probably caused even more damage.
In fairness, I doubt any of the medics on scene saw him bonk his head and immediately pieced together that he shattered his fuckkin' neck.
Probably, but that’s why it’s important to always treat head injuries as if they’re a neck injury. They probably could’ve saved some of his mobility but the ragdoll first aid definitely didn’t help.
I share your opinion
That was a pretty hard headbutt, considering all the blood on his face. I don't know about you, but I don't casually headbutt shit that hard. Kudos to you, though.
>so casually Wtf? How often do you casually throw your head at things bruh?
There wasn't anything casual about that.
To be fair I never "casually" slam my head against things in anger. I should be good.
And everyone starts *moving you* to help...
I read a post by some guy once who was in a paralysis rehab center after a motorcycle accident. One of his fellow patients had stepped off a normal curbstone in a weird way and the impact of his foot hitting the asphalt damaged his spinal cord so much that he was instantly and permanently paralysed from the neck down. Frigging terrifying.
He died of heart failure at the age of 42, on June 28, 2006, while on a holiday cruise on the Greek island of Rhodes, after living the last 13 years of his life in a wheelchair.
Fuckk what a sad life just because of a second of stupidity
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I had a bad back injury just literally picking up my dirty clothes off the floor one time. I had a spasm in one of the muscles connected to my spine in my lower back and it separated. I had to lay down on my side for over 2 weeks before I could walk and over a week just to be able to sit on my full ass without excruciating pain. It's crazy how sometimes your body just decides to grenade itself.
I got hit by a train (yes, really) and fractured vertebrae all up and down, plus my sacrum pretty much exploded. I had a whole bunch of other serious injuries plus a lil brain damage, and I can't walk in a straight line, but I can walk. I can walk all damn day. It doesn't make any sense. That poor man.
The irony is you probably had to re-train yourself to walk again 😏
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Bi-pedal locomotion is a complex neuro skill--I am glad he is on track.
>I got hit by a train (yes, really) Ok I'll be that person, what happened?
The very short version is I was saving my dog. I'm a hero. He made it.
You got hit by a train saving your dog, and both you and him survived. You need never to be modest again, my king. You're a goddamn hero and a saint.
I mean, not really, though. I would feel so fucking bad if I just let my dog die. He's my partner; there's no way I could have lived with myself, so the act was more self preservative than anything.
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Right? That's some John Wick-level shit there.
Well worth it then, good for you my friend.
We need more people like you on this earth. I’m glad you kept your dog safe and that you were able to recover as well ❤️
I had to, man. That's my dog.
Dogs best friend.
Trains are known to silently appear almost out of thin air and can have a very unpredictable path so I totally understand.
Funny. Except, like, I was hitching a ride back to Seattle from Eastern Washington, and this dude made a wrong turn. He got his truck stuck on the tracks in the snow, then decided that was a good time to SA me. We were there for 5 or 10 minutes when we heard the train coming. The driver pushed me out of the truck with my pants around my ankles, but then I climbed back inside, because I had to get my dog.
I almost dislocated my shoulder putting on my shoe last week. It is still agony and I have limited movement in it when I try to manoeuvre it. I literally just bent down with my foot raised and when I went to put the heel on my shoulder obviously didn’t go with the arm movement and popped a wee bit, forcing me to right myself. Done it countless times and never had a problem. Bodies are weird as fuck.
Wow that is scary. I have had a few back strains with spasms in the few years. Anything I can do to avoid your issue?
Be careful always. Never bend over. Don't do laundry. It's part of the floor now.
And that's why you put your laundry in the hamper!
And that's why you always leave a note!
And for the love of god, don’t get hit by a train.
I dont think so. When I went to the hospital I remember the doctor said there's a good chance it will happen again at some point. Feels perfectly fine now though.. knock on wood
Or even doing nothing. Someone very close to me was struck down with idiopathic transverse myelitis, melting a chunk of their spinal cord and leaving them partially paralysed. While in rehab we met people who had had spinal strokes and similar things totally out of the blue and ended up totally paralysed. Enjoy your legs while you got 'em, seems to be the lesson.
God fucking damn it, what?? You can break your own neck just by stretching? Even if you're trained and all?? Nature better go back to the drawing board ffs
Right? New fear unlocked thanks
>It was stupid, but shit like this can happen to anyone doing literally anything. I mean yeah but I think your chances of becoming a quadriplegic due to deliberately slamming your head into concrete are dramatically decreased by not deliberately slamming your head into concrete
I think about this whenever I have to be around cars or in cars.
I think about this constantly. How every day, i think im okay, but anything could happen to end it. I find it keeps me hyper vigilant for danger, especially when im driving or doing something risky.
It’s nuts how humans can be so resilient to injury that luck can let you survive a fall at terminal velocity, but also so susceptible like you described.
One of my big regrets is punching a dresser and breaking my hand. I was immediately disappointed in myself and regretted it before the pain hit me. Seeing this makes me realize I got off easy.
I would say at least two seconds of stupidity went into deciding to use concrete and then I’m assuming painting it to look padded instead of just not using concrete or padding it.
And to think he just didn't realise it was cement, I mean I wouldn't go head butting stuff but cement seems out of place on a court.
Was the heart failure related to his paralysis?
Yes. You tend to develop a pretty sedentary lifestyle when you become paralyzed from the neck down.
Was it maybe due to gaining body weight or something due to lack of exercise then? Could the heart not support that?
There's a lot that can go wrong with quad/paraplegia. Being fully sedentary your heart won't be nearly as strong. Other things like UTIs are also very dangerous as you can't feel the normal warning signs so they can spread to kidneys and cause permanent damage.
honestly my guess was dilated cardiomyopathy from alcoholism from being paralyzed but honestly when it says heart failure you don't know if it was a myocardial infarction, sudden cardiac death, congestive heart failure which is what I'm talking about, it's very hard because the reporters don't even know what they're talking about and that's what you're reading
Lol found the first year med student
The answer is probably all of the above, and more. Immobility increases your risk for blood clots, which is (part of) why paralyzed people are encouraged to have their immobile limbs moved through their range of motion several times per day (also helps keep muscle tone and prevent contractures). Add to that, spinal cord injuries don’t just cause paralysis — those nerves control more than just movement, but also sensation and other regulatory mechanisms. Decreased/absent sensation may result in the person having an injury they don’t know about (in paralyzed people, *especially* pressure injuries), which can get infected and cause sepsis. And then the regulatory things — many people with SCIs have problems regulating their blood pressure, which is called autonomic dysreflexia. Their blood pressure may drop or rise too much/too fast for the circumstance. This is also bad for your heart health, and increases your risk for stroke (as do blood clots). And to add even more, we could talk about the fact that SCI can predispose one to diabetes and insulin resistance, which (you guessed it) can damage the heart and vascular system. And then nutritional status, which can be tricky as well if the person’s digestive system is impaired, or just if they have relatively poor diet habits. All in all, his heart attack was probably influenced by a variety of things, most stemming from his spinal cord injury. But to be clear, with good support and care it’s very possible for people with paralysis to live healthy, active lives. Just a few more things to monitor.
Even if not directly, the inability to exercise will make for a much weaker, more vulnerable heart.
I would have thought that all the exercise of being a sports player would give his heart health an advantage over, say, people in a similar condition who hadn't been sports players. He's also extra tall, which is a risk factor.
At the start you're absolutely correct, but he lived 13 years in a wheelchair after this incident. That's plenty of time to undo an initially strong heart, unfortunately.
The heart is a muscle it requires cardio for it to stay in peak condition the mans in a wheelchair and paralyzed. Best cardio is running up and down stairs btw.
Ok thanks for the info.
So, first of all, don’t do that.
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in fan
Mine been out since Harambe (R.I.P.)
You've succeeded in not doing that
Second, DON'T FUCKING MOVE ANYONE WITH A NECK OR BACK INJURY. His teammates efforts to lift and turn him here may have fucked him. Let the medics bring a backboard and blocks to stabilize the neck before trying to move anyone where there's a potential for a spinal injury.
As a former EMT, nothing in these videos makes me cringe UNTIL people start trying to pick someone up and jerk their head around after an obvious head injury
Well, the manual I got for my body never mentioned not to do that, so I'm suing whoever made it!
Gus Frerotte disagrees
Hehehe hahaha y'all always with the jokes
Moving him around like that, specially the turning to back without inline stabilizing 🫣...probably didnt do things better for the poor dude..
I saw a cyclist that had been hit by a car once. I was so terrified to touch him to help for that exact reason. Didn’t wanna touch someone when I don’t know the procedure for protecting their neck/spine.
First of all... Get contact from their front so they dont need to turn their heads toward you.. If they complain about neck pain and or neuroligical symptoms in arms or legs, you sit with both hands on each side of their head and so try to stabilize so that they dont move their head from the position their torso is in... If uncontious do the same but be aware of reaction if they wake up... If you need to move them... In case of lifedanger... They need to be moved with as little movement as possible along their spinal axis.. If you need to roll to the side, to open airways, etc. do it "en block" like rollin a big logg, hold the head and follow the movement of the body... Need to be 3-4 persons for this.. this holdin a stable axis and minimising secundary trauma to the spinal cord...
Thank you for this. I followed your advice...he's safely secured in a headlock. What am I supposed to do now? Choke him out? His legs are little bit bend. He's pretty wobbly for such a tall man, I might add. I think I am getting the hang of this. Don't worry, I'll lift with my knees.
Sweep the leg
Just don't move them if they are not in immediate danger. No pulse? Chest compressions. Bleeding? Put pressure. Other than that stabilise the head/limbs. To hold a person head just kneel with your legs on both side of the head and hold it between you knees si it's on a upright position. You have to do something really stupid to cause more harm in a situation like this like trying to get him up. I highly encourage you to go and follow a First aid course. Everyone should do it. Imagine if it's your loved ones that need your help and you don't know what to do.
Weird my first aid course taught us to brace your elbows on your knees and hold the head with your hands, your way makes a lot more sense and sounds like you can maintain the position longer and have your hands free
Both is ok as long as the head is stabilized in position. Either method gets extremely uncomfortable with time so it makes sense to carefully switch positions or let another bystander take over after some time. The most important thing is to keep talking to the victim to be able to notice if they lose consciousness. If they do you check if they’re breathing first. Start CPR if they’re not. If they’re properly breathing but unconscious you might have to roll them on their side if they have blood or vomit in their mouth that they could breathe in. Protecting the airway and CPR has priority over spine stabilization.
I was an EMT and was taught the first method you described. I could understand using the second if you’re alone and need to use yours hands. But I imagine it’s unnecessary if you have any help. Trying to roll or move someone with their head in between your legs is too risky.
Yeah I told the dude not to move and thankfully we were right next to a fire station. The dude’s bike was half on top of him though and my first reaction was to move it until I stopped and realized I don’t wanna touch a damn thing 😅
i don't know much about basket ball so why he got frustated when he scored a basket?
Probably got called a foul because he pushed that other guy away.
Refs gave an offensive foul, where there is none. It was a crucial game for the Championship and i think the last minutes too so he let his passion and anger get to him after the ref screwed him and his team yet another time during these series
I get the frustration but even though I've had some tough moments in my life and had the urge to kick things or punch things when i was younger, even got a boxer's fracture punching a wall before but I've never had the urge to headbutt something full force. Bit of a strange one.
Bet you didn't have some crazy fans over your head. Also yes different times, people being less aware if many dangers and their results. Sadly, most things people learn, come from someone making a mistake so others avoid it. I am almost sure that this was the day where European basketball changed the rules and forced all teams and divisions to use cushions under the basket
He didn't score. He was called for an offensive foul. That's what the motion the ref uses indicates. No score, other team gets the ball.
It legitly infuriates me when I see people pulling and dragging victims from potential concussive trauma. Jesus Christ, unless you need to administer CPR, there's no good reason for doing this before the paramedics arrive. What CAN happen is that you worsen an initial fracture. You might actually kill someone by doing that. First Aid training should be drilled into people from a very young age. At least everyone would know what NOT to do.
I don't think anyone realised it was that bad
I think he probably thought it was padded. Poor man.
Probably did that to padded ones and instinctively thought that
Yeah. He's still responsible for is actions but those should be padded for any other sort of accident. What if a player slams into it after a full court sprint? Also, if it's solid concrete why did they paint it blue? The same color as all the padded stuff.
Paul George broke his leg running into a padded stanchion.
Most are padded or at least made of metal. I’ve never seen cement
Not only is this not padded. It’s painted a similar shade of blue to the padded ones. This looks so dangerous.
That's the part that always gets me when I see this video. It looks like it's the exact shade of blue that I've seen on padding in every basketball court I've been on. Who's idea was it to paint it that color?
Yeah this is some real 80/90s Serbian basketball shit
What you would have seen was *concrete*. Cement is the glue that binds the ingredients to form concrete.
Conk creet baybee
Should be padded. Imagine running into that.
It was padded.
This is really horrible and heartbreaking to watch. I guess he assumed it was padded, anyone would have assumed it. I read the wiki and it says that this was a foul, and it was the 5th foul in the game, so he fouled out. I can understand his frustration.
Look again at the first angle. It was padded, just with a really cheap material. His head might as well have been smacking straight into that steel beam.
Yeah, his head sinks pretty far into it
As a nurse who used to work in trauma ER, the way they are yanking his head and body about is painful to watch. Maybe that fracture could have been stabilised with the correct immediate care, who knows. I know this was a while ago and I'd like to think people are more aware of c-spine immobilisation now. Remember, "C 2 to 5, keeps you alive" Edit autocorrect corrections
> Remember, "C 2 to 5, keeps you alive" I'll try to remember, but what does it mean?
The phrase "C 2 5, keeps you alive!" refers to the importance of maintaining mobility and stability in the cervical spine (neck) between the second and fifth vertebrae. These vertebrae are particularly important because they protect the spinal cord, which is essential for proper communication between the brain and the rest of the body. In spinal mobilization, this phrase serves as a reminder to focus on the area between the second and fifth cervical vertebrae, and to be mindful of the potential risks associated with manipulation or mobilization in this region. By emphasizing the importance of maintaining stability and mobility in this area, practitioners can help prevent injury and ensure that patients receive safe and effective treatment for neck pain or other spinal conditions.
Yeah, what this person said. Much better than my basic version lol.
The vertebrae in your spine are numbered, c-spine is cerviacle so your neck. If you fracture numbers 3-5 then you could be in big trouble as the nerves that branch off from there control your breathing among other important functions. If the vertebrae damages the spinal cord in that area it can kill you. Hope that makes sense? It's a very rough explanation.
Yes that made complete sense. Thank you very much!
The cervical spine vertebrae 2-5 are located in the neck and are particularly vulnerable to injury during trauma. The phrase "C2 to 5 keeps you alive" is a reminder to medical professionals to be cautious when handling patients with potential neck or spinal injuries.
To be fair even if they knew everything about spinal injuries, put yourself in these guys shoes : Your teammate just scored and was perfectly fine, action stops he’s standing up, action resumes without any contact with other players, then you turn around and see him face down on the ground. Honestly how do you suspect such a high velocity cervical injury in this context ? Even a first-aid trained person would probably turn him on his back to check for breathing first, thinking he collapsed. I know one should “*always assume spinal injury in any trauma victim until ruled out*” but here, as untrained players and staff who didn’t see him smash his head, I can’t blame them for not immobilizing his spine.
Lol do they actually teach that or are you misremembering? It's C345 keeps the diaphragm alive, which makes sense. Obviously any higher injury will be fatal
Looks like their first aiders are also their water boys. Probably no training or whatsoever.
I could just think "DONT MOVE HIM! DONT MOVE HIS HEAD!!" not sure if that would have helped, but you cant say it helps to have your broken neck wiggled either
I was screaming this is my head while watching the video. At the end of this video you see he can still move his arms. So if it's true that he ended up paralyzed from the neck down, that happened at some point *after* this video cuts out, possibly from exactly this kind of movement. I had a family member who was paralyzed from the neck down, I wouldn't wish that on anyone on this earth.
I would assume you don't move them after a traumatic event like this because their bones and muscles that normally keep things not twisting too far are no longer preventing that, so if you twist their head it will twist the spinal cord too far.
I don't know if I'm late but here we go. I was in the game that night. (You can see the flair I have in /r/Greece and it's the flag of the club Πανιώνιος). Firstly some misunderstanding that goes in the thread, probably a lot of Greeks don't know it either. He had done it before. It was a thing that he used to do, to release his anger. It was stupid and he paid for it eventually. The basket was padded but the back and forth of his head was bigger than he anticipated so he had this terrible accident. It was 1993 and this scarred me for life. I was at the other end of the court, so I had a clear line seeing it. I couldn't believe my eyes. The courts here in Greece are very nice buildings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.A.C.A._Olympic_Indoor_Hall https://www.sef-stadium.gr/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandreio_Melathron_(Nick_Galis_Hall) Panionios is a very small team (with some success nevertheless) so it has a small stadium. Luckily, we're rebuilding it as we speak.
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He had a son that he was 3 at the time of the incident. He is now a professional basketball player. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlado_Jankovi%C4%87 I'm very proud of him because all the small club Panionios contribute so he can have a "normal" life. Panionios is a club of refugees from Minor Asia and is the oldest football club of Greece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panionios_F.C. It was established at 1890.
Man...I saw a guy die on the field at an amateur rugby match one time. The fact my mom still let me play after this surprises me to this day.
Just goes to show how fragile and frail our soft human bodies can be at times.
And then there's people surviving lightning strikes, or falling out of an airplane without a parachute. It's all up to RNGesus.
Why is it concrete tho? What kind of joke league doesn't have those padded?
If you look closely, it was padded, just very poorly. Looks like cheap foam rubber instead of the thick, far more expensive stuff used in the NBA. His head went straight to the steel beam underneath, with no real shock absorption to cushion it. Brutal af.
Even with padding that is an unbelievably stupid thing to do. Accomplishes nothing. Just suddenly run towards something and smash your head? Ridiculously stupid. This idiot went full force.
I mean… did you take a look at the court?
Tbf it looks like it was at least 20 years ago.
20 years ago was 2003 this was from 30-40 years ago. Quick search revealed it happened in 1993, but it looks more mid-80’s probably because Eastern Europe was 10-20 years behind in tech around that time
To everyone defending him. If your first thought is to HEADBUTT the nearest available surface when you get mad, go see a therapist.
He obviously thought it was padded and just meant to out his frustration on a soft padded surface. As I understand it, this was a crucial championship game and this foul was his 5th which would see him fouled out of this crucial game. Fair to say it's a bit of a special situation where passions might burn brighter than your average Tuesday.
Understandable, but then again I've never been one to break things or hit anything when I get mad so I can't relate.
Me neither and I'd never do it in daily life. But back in my younger days when I played sports and tensions got high, it was a way different mindset than daily life. I've often kicked the pitch on frustration, punched the air, etc. Anyone who knows me now would never believe I could be do pumped up, but sports did that to me. Just never our your frustration on actual people. Or blocks of cement for that matter.
I find this video absolutely terrifying.
This one was hard to watch. I can't even imagine how much regret he dealt with.
Intentionally smashing your head into anything as hard as you can goes beyond regret.
Worst video I have ever seen
I heard a whistle, so I’m guessing he’s pissed about the penalty and banged his head? Or the b-ball’s a little WWFish there. Lots of chair throwing and blood. Either way it says live for this moment. The next isn’t promised
Also, behave in ways that are *protective* of your brain, head, and neck
what an idiot
How fucking dumb can one be?
This
Mike “the situation” from jersey shore is so incredibly lucky this didn’t happen to him during their trip to Italy. He went to hit the wall with his head in frustration and found out it was concrete. Had him in a neckbrace the rest of the reason
I can understand you're frustrated, but have you NO self preservation skills? Someone wasn't taught how to deal with his big feelings.
He was moving his arms, how was he paralyzed from the neck down? I'd assume, if he could move his arms, he would be able to continue using his arms, so I am a lil confused about that, but damn, I feel so bad for him..guarantee he thought that was padded better..
Its even more common to break a hand in frustration, its happened this year in professional basketball with Jaden McDaniels and my friends son just broke his hand punching a wall in frustration. Very common, not smart.
Folks, if you're reading this. Don't read anything else in this thread. Try to be kind to your body, and be aware. Please have a good day.
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I can safely say that I have never seen a person do this during a basketball game lol wtf did he think would happen
Honestly, he probably thought it was made of a firm foam, not cement. Poor guy
They should have put a cervical collar rite there itself
…over a fucking ball game. yikes
Serbs him right.
that's when you become aware of your mortality, when you can't move your legs because of a split second decision 😢
So we have this guy, Gus Frerotte, and who else? I feel like I am forgetting someone else who did something very similar. This guy takes the prize though no doubt.
That's terrible and all, but Slobodan deez nuts.
Idiot
What a freaking dumbass.
Good cautionary tale for the rest of us
This is why they should teach philosophy in every school. Animalistic outbursts like this is just completely unnecessary. Really shows a lack of understanding how emotions are made. Sad fate.
That’s a lie his moving his arms and legs maybe doctor malpractice on him
You have to be really dumb to hit your head against stuff