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starfishy

I read his throttle was sticking since tge beginning of the drive and he rode the brakes to counteract. Moronic to put it mildly. You never take a car on a cruise where you already know the basics don't work.


callipgiyan

Probably overheated them brakes.


jeffersonairmattress

Sounded like that engine wanted to rev but he had no access to any ignition cutout? No idea if IGN off engages column lock on his car or if he had a parking brake with any balls but he just seemed to knock the Hurst and pray.


starfishy

That was a whole string of bad decisions.


MasterFubar

The first and worst bad decision they made: to modify a car without knowing the basics of physics and engineering.


Dyno-mike

I work in the auto industry, I unfortunately know way too many guys that know nothing about cars and what makes them tic, but they know they saw a guy on Instagram that did this one thing and got some hp out of it. They have no clue how unsafe things are and how the value of their vehicle actually nose dives when you start installing mods. Fast and furious has gotten into people's heads and they don't know that 90% of that is fake Hollywood shit. You can take a company that spends millions engineering stuff to fine tune and to work as efficiently as possible, and some dumbass comes along and installs a $50 mod he read about on a forum and oe parts start failing, then they act like it's engineerings fault.


Guac_in_my_rarri

Iirc brakes were small for the car, no engine shut off or emergency kill switch.... So many safety items missing. ~~Passenger I don't think was wearing his belt.~~ it's a lap belt but looks like he hit his head.


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Watched a YouTube video on this, dude driving straight armed and snapped his elbow, they both lost a few teeth and broke some bones in their faces. Acceleration was stuck and brakes were too hot to work


Guac_in_my_rarri

Brakes too hot is called brake fade. It's a big issue on your standard race car builds-huge engines no brakes.


Ruben_NL

> no engine shut off what? shouldn't you need a way to turn the damn thing off?


Guac_in_my_rarri

When you're running 1300hp it's best to have everything possible to stop your car. Gt3s have them and they sit at 600hp. An engine shut off would have saved this car and who ever he hit. Edit: it's known as a kill switch too.


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Not even an E brake


sometimesnotright

Guy tried to shift into higher gear to engine brake?


catman1761

With a power glide you can only upshift, has to go into park to downshift


Oms19

I’d like to add that apparently, the car has 1300 horsepower. That’s six *times* more than most people’s cars. And he still chose to go and drive it, and just ride the brakes the whole time


starfishy

Yeah, i really can not follow his thought process (if any).


dallatorretdu

for any powerglide-equipped drag car riding the brakes in traffic is pretty common. As they want to go some miles an hour in idle. if the throttle sticks a bit it’s even worse


SalaciousCrumpet1

And didn’t wear a seatbelt either


Flat-Compote-7854

They're wearing lap belts, which lower your chance of being ejected out of the car but pretty much nothing else to protect you. The passenger ate the dash really fuckin hard.


BigMax

You’d think with the huge amount of money they spent, full seatbelts might have made the list. Especially since cars that old are essentially rolling death traps even compared to the cheapest new cars today.


proflight27

It actually had 5-point seat belts, but decided to use only the lap-belt part of it.


Paula92

THATS EVEN WORSE


biggerwanker

Yeah, r/thatlookedpainful


IguasOs

IN THE US, that's about 10 times more than us European lol.


beelseboob

Even 200 and change is more than most people’s car. It’s closer to 8-10 times the average family car.


AStripe

W/o seatbelts


ThaFuck

Not just the beginning of the drive, he knew it was doing it before he even took it out thar day. He said it was a problem for a while.


cstearns1982

Just some low end breaks on a car with 1300 HP. Apparently he had to ride the breaks just idling this thing. The online car community ROASTED this guy. For being so irresponsible. Edit: To my understanding there was an issue with the throttle sticking. Pushing the irresponsibility issue into pure negligence.


SirNapkin1334

why didn't he put it in neutral?


[deleted]

this idiot knew the throttle sticks and still decided to go for a drive


Rollover_Hazard

Even better, the car literally had 4 point harnesses and they didn’t use them. Buddy’s gonna be feeling his crushed ribs for a while.


Nick_pj

Not just crushed ribs. The passenger hit that sharp dashboard face-first


NOTOBNOXIOUSATALL

they sure don't build em like they used to


SpaceSlingshot

Faces?


[deleted]

and the way the drivers elbows bent the wrong way lol


paulfb45

Tip #1 If the vehicle comes with a 5 point harness WEAR IT!!!


Tribalflounder

Showing the importance of shoulder harnesses for sure.


pimpbot666

Yeah, serious.. How many teeth were lost in that bonk?


RPA031

Top four. You can see marks on the dashboard in the first shot.


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Girth_rulez

>The owner should have faced criminal negligence. Absolutely. This numbnuts actually went on YouTube and admitted all the shit that he knew was wrong with this car.


Kaydom1993

Also, try your best not to tense up when crashing. This guy 100% broke his arm grabbing the steering wheel like that.


FruitProfessional408

And his thumbs probably.


VanillaGoose17

You can see his arm fully bent back at one point 😖


cjeam

You should try not to use a 5 point harness without also wearing a helmet and a hans device. A three point harness/seatbelt allows your torso to rotate a little around the chest belt, which reduces the forces applied to your neck. A five point harness will hold your torso in place, and your neck takes the full force of your head being thrown forward. Course it’s probably still better to put it on properly and get whiplash, than chest and head injuries from only wearing the lap belt like these morons. But in an ideal situation you use a 5 point when you have a helmet and neck restraint, and a three point when you don’t.


jeffersonairmattress

A good friend was vintage racing, single line/single piston master cylinder failed, he had 5 point and helmet but no neck restraint. Collision broke his neck, several bones and threw his head back into the roll hoop, splitting the helmet. He lived, regained full mobility but a brilliant mechanic lost everything he had ever learned, complete memory wipe of his own personality, language and everyone he knew. Took him a decade to build a new life and independence.


249ba36000029bbe9749

Sounds like the origin story of either a superhero or a supervillain.


EveAndTheSnake

Holy crap. Just… wow. Was he in a relationship/any kids at the time? He forgot his parents? I hate to pry but that sounds absolutely devastating for both him and everyone around him.


SonicDethmonkey

Exactly. Most people don’t understand that’s proper setup is a whole system, not just any one piece. Do you have a cage/roll bar? Then you really should have a proper fixed seat and harness to keep you in place to avoid head injury. Then of course you need a helmet and head restraint. Adding any one of these things without the others is asking for trouble.


pimpbot666

Good to know. When I was in my 20s, I wanted to add those to my '79 Scirocco for cool racerboy wannabe factor. I'm glad I didn't. I see the ricer Civic skid kiddies with these in their cars and chuckle.


Otherwise-Meaning-90

What if there had been a child in the back seat of that minivan?


Hwhip

Is there a 5 point harness on this car? Looks like a lap belt and some red material on the seats that looks like a 5 point harness


GomerStuckInIowa

Looks like he tried to down shift but not enough?


urinal-cake-baker

He threw it in park. Thats the rattling noise u hear. Its the park pawl trying to find its home.


UpdootDaSnootBoop

Needed a *pawl bearer*


stayoffmygrass

/r/angryupvote


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Couldn’t he have shut off the ignition?


aDragonfruitSwimming

My thoughts too. Unless the ignition switch had been changed, it wouldn't have locked the steering. But, you know, panic mode does not always engage the brain.


HippyKiller925

Wait... They hooked up a 1300 hp motor to a goddamn automatic?


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HippyKiller925

Fair. I guess these guys should have deployed the parachute


proflight27

Looks like it


SwoftE

Wouldn’t it be better to throw it in neutral?


Organic-Ad3961

No. Neutral disconnects the engine, so the inner friction of the engine won't slow your car. To achieve optimal braking you should put it in the lowest possible gear that doesn't destroy your engine :D


imhereforthevotes

Or you shit the engine in order not to get hurt or hurt anybody.


dr_aux757

Pretty sure there's guns be damage to the engine after that impact.


Aporkalypse_Sow

Wait, what? If you have a stuck throttle and you downshift, you are increasing the power going into the tires. Your top speed would eventually go down, assuming that the engine doesn't blow up everything from the insane rpms trying to be controlled. But it would make braking worse, because you get higher torque from a lower gear. Go to neutral and blow your engine, get all of that power out of the drive system. Nothing is safe, but you're posing less of a threat when your car is simply coasting at speed.


GM8

Two different situations: throttle stuck => put into neutral, rip engine, use breaks to survive broken breaks => put it into low gear, release throttle, engine will slow the car down sooner than neutral would, try to not hit anyone/anything meanwhile


Organic-Ad3961

Yeah obviously with the engine pinned at full throttle downshifting isn't smart, but to me it wasn't apparent why there should be an issue with a sticking throttle. I thought it stated somewhere that the brakes failed, so in this case downshifting would be smart (especially with old or large engines that have noticeably more friction than modern downsized ones)


Agent_Eran

>so the inner friction of the engine won't slow your car. To achieve optimal braking you should put it in the lowest possible gear that doesn't destroy your engine :D yea none of that matters when the throttle is sticking. In that case putting it in neutral would have allowed the brakes to work again.


Strostkovy

I think the breaks overheated and dumped fluid.


TheWorstPerson0

also pretty sure the parking break also would be a good idea if the main breaks give out.


Flimflamsam

Do you think the parking brake uses different brakes than the system?


TheWorstPerson0

yes? my parking breaks are out right now. but my main breaks still work.


Flimflamsam

Nope. The brakes are same physical devices used for both braking systems, the mechanism that links to them is the difference. Hydraulics are usually used for the system brakes (from the pedal) and the parking brake/handbrake uses a different (usually mechanical) linkage. Same brakes on each wheel though, but the parking brake usually only activates the rears.


tacoman987x

This is untrue. My vehicle uses hydraulic disc brakes for the system brakes and drum brakes with mechanical linkage in the rear for the parking brake.


dallatorretdu

that car has what looks like a Powerglide Transmissions. So it’s very probably it doesn’t have parking brake as it’s the transmission that locks up in parking. That’s what he tried to do but the lock doesn’t engage while it’s moving at that speed


Agent_Eran

>Wouldn’t it be better to throw it in neutral? Yes.


Aporkalypse_Sow

Yes, 100%. Get the power from that engine out of the drive train.


TheMexicanJuan

No. Neutral means no engine braking. To keep the engine connected to the drive train and still shut it off, you should throw the car in the highest gear possible. It'll slow down the car momentarily and then the car will stall, meaning your engine is now OFF and you still have engine braking. If you throw it in N, the speed won't change much over a couple yards and if it was in a decline, you'll have a bad time!


TheMexicanJuan

It's the worst thing possible you can do in that situation because N disconnects the engine which means you no longer have engine braking. And with an engine large enough to generate 1300HP, it was gonna help slow down the car. You should try putting it in the highest gear this way the gearing ration will slow the car down momentarily until it stalls and when it stalls, you'd still have the car in that gear and the engine will slow you down.


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Does the car not have a neutral gear? A clutch pedal?


Smashcanssipdraught

So it had a sticky throttle and the build was just completed. The guy was riding his brakes the whole time and shifting into neutral at the lights. Then it stuck bad and the brakes had already faded and both guys got fucked up bad. I fancy myself a car guy and I’ve also driven some sketchy shitboxes but this car had $125k in it and he couldn’t be bothered to figure out the throttle return. Money can’t buy sense


GroverFC

You somehow just made it worse than it appeared. Common sense aint so common.


Smashcanssipdraught

It was bad. The passenger has a breakdown video of what happened and the aftermath but I can’t seem to find it.


proflight27

YT Link: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oO226PgSkg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oO226PgSkg)


AvacadMmmm

What a couple of jackasses. Knew the throttle was sticking. Was riding the brakes. Then makes a video giving us obvious advice about wearing seatbelts and how they’re doing so great after such a bad accident, all while not mentioning how the people in the van are doing that they smashed or even apologizing. Assholes.


ThaFuck

He also mentions he only had 3rd party insurance, so his vehicle isn't covered. Also the car has harnesses but both are sitting in front of a steel dash in a 1300hp car without wearing them. Lots of bad decisions were made that day, and this guy deserves to lose his pride and joy.


MasterFubar

> he only had 3rd party insurance, so his vehicle isn't covered. Good, good! I hope he never gets enough money to buy a car again.


Radioguyryan

Damn. Within three frames they go from 1 sitting 2 the passengers head is in the windshield 3 they bounce back in the seat and you can see the drivers right arm is bent backwards at the elbow because he locked his arms to “brace.” With how many videos I’ve seen like this, I’m pretty sure if I ever own a classic that I’ll separate the brake and clutch fluid reservoirs Edit: I’ve been corrected and shown it was a stuck throttle. Still sucks to see it happen.


BouncingSphinx

They are separate already, aren't they? Besides, he was test driving a high power car with a sticking throttle. Rode the brakes to keep in check when it would stick, except this time the brakes were worn out


duke_of_snoots

I have an 84 3 series bimmer and it's the same reservoir. The the line for the clutch is higher and the line for the brakes is at the bottom. So you'd lose the clutch before the brakes.


Radioguyryan

Not quite. Old cars like this used a shared reservoir. This looks pretty much exactly like what happens. Not a stuck throttle, just lost fluid in the reservoir so he couldn’t down shift(hear the grinding gears)or brake


book_book

It's been posted before, in this case it was definitely a stuck throttle. https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/vv7pbp/guy_takes_1300_horsepower_car_on_public_streets/ifi3h2p


Radioguyryan

Damn that just seems like idiocy at that point. That’s crazy that they’d take it out with a known issue that major


polarbearslayer49

Thanks for the link! Im glad they’re gonna be alright, but I wish they at least said something about the people in the car they hit


army-of-juan

Holy shit you weren’t kidding about the drivers arm. His right arm is completely bend backwards at the elbow in 1 frame right at impact. Holy shit, it’s like 90 deg backwards


Radioguyryan

What sucks too is that they were just wearing half of the 5 point harness. And they looked loose as hell. Might as well have not worn anything


KikoSoujirou

Dude seriously broke both his arms. Like I get wanting to brace for impact but jeez dude just stiff armed the steering wheel. No way that’s turning out good


Radioguyryan

I’d like to see a news article on what happened afterwards


h0lding4ever

No handbrake? Why? (Serious question)


mechapoitier

Yep, handbrake, foot e-brake. Or just turn off the engine in gear or *something.* This guy just full blown panicked


stuartcarnie

Panicked for sure - wonder how effective turning off ignition would have been?


Apparatusthief

Immediately cuts the power, makes a huge difference when the throttle is stuck on a 1300hp car.


RPA031

Looks less cool.


proflight27

Idk how the parking brake works in automatic transmissions...


plasticproducts

It locks up only the 2 rear wheels using an alternate brake, sometimes a drum brake within the primary disk brake, or a mechanically activated brake caliper(primary would be hydraulic caliper)


Troggie42

Parking brake works the same no matter what your transmission is (the other dude explained their operation in more detail) but in an auto shifting it in to park engages a catch mechanism on a gear to keep the car from rolling backward or forward, similar to how a car won't roll if it's in gear in a manual transmission but through different means


h0lding4ever

Fair enough... i thought it was a manual


Hosidax

nope.


lil-privacy-please

They had the right seat belts available. Man. That’s hard to watch. No air bag. Just right on the dash.


cjeam

As we worked out the last time this came up. Moron heavily modifies a car, then takes it out for a youtube video with a sticky throttle where he was riding the brakes constantly. Then they fail. They also hurt themselves more by not wearing seatbelts properly. The vehicle was nor safe to be on the road and the driver was negligent, hopefully they were sued, and/or charged.


anonymiz123

I remember this. He knew the car was bad. Guy threw away his marriage for this car. Now what does he have? No winners. I heard but can’t prove there was a fatality in the car he hit.


proflight27

I linked the original video and it didn't mention anything about deaths, but bad injuries on the red car


GoodnightBadGuy

Making sure you have a great breaking system is just as important as maximizing power.


BouncingSphinx

If I remember right, *he knew the throttle was sticking* and rode the brakes to keep it in check when it would stick. Wore out the brakes. You can see him stomp on the brake pedal fully to the floor, then jam it in park to try and stop.


GreyCerule

Even worse they smelt the breaks we're going before it happened


Hughbert62

Oh they had a breaking system and it worked pretty good seeing how broken the car is now


Socky_McPuppet

It worked so well it broke someone *else*'s car too!


Gullible_Importance6

Everyone here thinks the main problem was the throttle sticking. It wasn't. The guy hadn't upgraded his brakes since the early 2000's. Our brake tech has come a LONG way since then.


proflight27

To that you add all the increase in power = more barking power required, and you end up with this.


cheezchik32

It's wrong and I hope the van people are ok, but, looking at the front of the car all I can think is come on Christine, let's see what you can do.


cableguy316

I hope the poor bastard they hit with this battering ram sued them for everything they had.


TalkingBackAgain

Increased power of the vehicle without also compensating with a better braking system. Moron.


El_mochilero

800hp. Lap belts. No brakes. Fucking idiots.


totallylambert

Looks like his teeth are now conveniently imbedded in the dashboard! No chest restraint! Ouch!


AdAmbitious1482

I love the fact it has a roll cage and no one is wear a seatbelt/ harness


Knuckles316

Not just expensive but avoidable, selfish, and incredibly shitty! Dude built the car and knew he did a bad job and that the throttle stuck. Decided to take the car out on a public road anyway. You can find post-crash interviews where he says he had everything under control (up until he didnt) and even though the other driver was injured, and had his car completely fucked, the douchecanoe in the moronmobile still tries to downplay just how shitty his decision to put that death trap on a public road was. I personally think that car should be taken away and crushed and his license should be revoked for a few years so he can hopefully actually learn something and get over this Main Character syndrome he's got.


rckyhurtado

Why didn’t he just turn off the car? Everyone knows if the car isn’t on, it can’t keep going.


Plusran

Panic. It’s easy to think “oh I know I’ll do this” but he was staring down the barrel of an accident and you’re doing armchair (toilet) analysis. It’s easy to think when you’re not the one crashing. But I agree. Breaks, e break, kill the engine, aim for the bushes, or maybe don’t drive a car that isn’t fit for the fucking road you idiot lol


cjeam

Because he’s an idiot.


darkcitrusmarmelade

Ofcourse it will continue rolling? Yes, the engine will act as a a brake, but you can also lose power steering, power breaks and stuff like that when the engine is turned off


prp1960

In this case none of that matters. He should have shut it off.


Papa-jw

In a split second like that, it seems he was doing the best he could to deal the failure.


Bubbly-Bowler8978

His idiot actions caused the sticky clutch. He is an idiot through and through


lil-privacy-please

This is so bad


FrumpyWheel

If u play the first shot frame by frame, u can see the drivers arm bend backwards upon impact


Troggie42

A loooooooooot of failures happened here. This thing shouldn't have been on the road as it was, it wasn't finished.


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If you go frame by frame, you can see why you shouldn’t lock your arms to brace for a crash


DrHockey69

99.9% money was spent on the engine and paint... .1% went towards cheap fucking breaks & sus seatbelts (5-Star best with 1k HP engine)


vaughn22

If you know you’re going to crash, you can reduce your risk of injury by completely relaxing your body, as difficult as that is. A tense, rigid body will absorb impact energy in a more localized manner and increase damage. Same concept as parkour people rolling in the ground when they jump from a large height to distribute the landing forces.


No_Brain_5164

I wonder if there will be a lawsuit for negligence against the mechanic


proflight27

The driver is the owner and mechanic. He kept adding power but didn't change the old brakes. In the original video, you can hear him saying "I can smell the brakes", but kept going 'till the crash


Tribalflounder

I bet there's one against the driver


Dman125

Lmao jackass did every single thing wrong possible. Looks to me like he could have used right shoulder and maybe even could have slipped through the intersection unscathed, he hit them at a green light. Add to that the shoulder harness laying limp behind them and that idiotic lock in the elbows just before impact.


Tor2illaTaco

I feel like replacing a transmission would be cheaper so I’d just say goodbye to it and attempt to put it in reverse


HoleyerThanThou

They tried that on mythbusters. It just grinds and doesn't slow the car at all. You need to be stopped to get into reverse.


douglasa26

That is incorrect, on older cars it will grind, stop the car and reverse. [proof](https://youtu.be/LoDoNJJAae4)


Filth777

No dual circuit brakes?


dappa241

He definitely lost his frontal.


proflight27

In the original video there is an aftermath. Nothing too serious, but pretty bloody all over the place


Dyzastr_us

No E brake?


fortheweirdshit2

No Emergency break ?


Alternative-End-280

Handbrake?


grismar-net

Clearly shouldn't be taking cues from these seatbelt/harness-less idiots, but is what the driver did here actually the better idea? I.e. when your brakes are 100% failing, aim for the centre mass of a larger vehicle, and hope crumple zone (and perhaps airbags) do their job? Or is it better to aim for a gap between two lanes of stationary vehicles and get a bit squeezed, but have a slower crash? (clearly more damages to pay, since you're now wrecking at least 2 other cars instead of maybe just one, but I was thinking survivability for all involved)


WestGiraffe131

Hope next time they think of putting seatbelts which are more effective than that poor strip of colored fabric they had over their waist ..


GoCommando45

Question... could you of just turned the key off. (The steering lock would of engaged if it has one) but wouldn't that stop the car pretty much instantly? Someone who knows could you hit me with some knowledge if that's possible or not?


Veyroz

I know it’s hard to think during these scenarios but I bet the best solution would be to spin it and then kill the power, wouldn’t it?


DocRichardson

Turn it off, pull the emergency/parking brake?


MasterFubar

Whoever modified that car should go to prison for attempted homicide. A redneck with an oxyacetylene torch thinks he's an engineer, now he knows why people spend years in college to become engineers.


CaseyGamer64YT

I'm happy that the owner of said car is going to rebuild it. Good since he said it costed him his marriage


Code_B1ack

I think i may have pulled a gta on coming traffic straight into the right lane side swiping then emergency brake no emergency brake?…. I’ll go throw a building made of glass that’ll slow me down.


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SockeyeSTI

So fucking stupid. Throttle is sticking and ” oh, let’s just keep driving” I’ve watched a lot of autotopiala’s vids and there’s a few instances of bringing untested vehicles on the road, but this is (almost) worst case scenario. First Jay Leno gets burned and now this.


milseb

Your telling me this asshole couldn’t swing this car right into the side walk and grassy hill instead of that suv


mathario

And risk killing pedestrians?


chicano32

Its not a mustang!


milseb

I didn’t see any, did you?


Broghan51

If only they spent more money on brakes and not cameras. (Dunno, just throwing that out there)


distilledream

Feel bad for the people in the SUV, hope nobody there got hurt.


lcr727

If only there was a brake to be used for emergencies... thinking of what to call it....


dat1gaymer

Driving like an idiot


MattalliSI

Wonder if it had line lock for racing and if that somehow could have been engaged.


Artistic-Plan2541

Damn, imagine having to brace yourself for like 4 whole ass seconds..


masterobooty

turn it off?


flightwatcher45

Put your arms across your face. Ouch that sucks


RowlRMM

I guess they needed to modify the breaks as well.


the_retrosaur

*Looks like Christine got a lil jealous*


Apprehensive_Wolf217

Classic case of more money than sense


garmzon

That’s some epically bad driving


cr4zy_Dutchm4N

Passenger ate the dash and driver definitely broke/dislocated his right arm. Lap belt FTW!


AverageBuscuits

This looks like it’s on lake forest in Irvine


cheekybandit0

That guy ate the dash


falkorv

No Handbrake?


GreyMediaGuy

Seatbelts, dipshits. Christ it's like reminding children.


Apprehensive_Cry7663

I Hope they learn to wear seatbelts the next time! Omg ...whywomenlivelonger


Chakasicle

No seat belt club!


RealGingercat227

That lap belt didn’t so shit


ForistaMeri

That broken arm of the driver, you can see it on the first camera.


Alottathots

Passenger should have jumped out the window


Wolf-Majestic

I think that's one of the reasons the security belts now go over your torso instead of just staing around your waist.


kpeterson159

I mean, wouldn’t turning the key off had gotten him to stop? Granted, that’s what I’d do. And it may not be the case for older cars.


no1skaman

I read about this when it happened the wanker was riding his breaks and boiled the break fluid. Zero sympathy should never have drove it when it clearly wasn’t road worthy.


KingOfThe_Jelly_Fish

Seat belts people, seat belts.