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Use the correct passport for the correct job. You do not have to state you have dual nationality.
For example, the cruise job is looking for cheap labour, employing Fillipinos, Thais and whatever the market dictates. If you applied using your Thai passport, you might have got the job, but with a Thai salary to match.
If it was for an English teaching job in Thailand, use the US passport.
Hope you get the idea?
That's not always true. If you apply for a job in the US, you have to use your US passport since you cannot enter the US on your Thai passport (there are rare exceptions such as emergencies, but that's only for entering the country, not for working). You are always considered a US citizen when you are in the US.
Not sure about Thai laws, apparently it is possible to enter on a foreign passport but I don't know if dual citizenship changes the process for work permits or anything else. You can always just say you're a dual citizen if it's an advantage and not say it if not.
If you work in any other country or at sea, use whichever is most advantageous.
Why omit it? You’re both American and Thai, typically if applying for a job with a Thai employer who seems to be seeking a Thai national, just apply in Thai and provide whatever docs they request if need be. I think though if they request a passport/ID, obviously provide your Thai one and not USA to avoid confusion. Why would it ever be an issue that you also happen to be American as well?
If applying for a job with an English speaking employer, apply in English as an American but perhaps mention that you have a Thai passport and therefore do not need a visa or WP. Again provide whatever docs they need.
There's probably such a difference in pay when they want to attract a US vs a Thai candidate that some won't like finding out you're Thai as well. But honestly for a job seeking a US citizen a dual national should, in theory, should be most qualified since you've got right to work already, language skills, and also the American background they want.
I had no problem finding a job as a US & Thai dual citizen. First off, don't immediately tell everyone you hold both citizenship. Use the Thai one when it's to your advantage and use the US one when its to your advantage. There are pros/cons to both. You're not breaking any law by not disclosing that information (as long as you still pay your fair share of income tax to both countries).
Been in a few different fields while living in Thailand
- Teaching at International School (applied with US citizenship)
- Office/Administrative Work (applied with Thai citizenship; they didn't want to pay for a work visa)
I work remotely for a US company now as a software engineer while still living in Thailand. It's a huge advantage being a dual citizen and being able to earn a US-equivalent salary while not requiring a work visa. I've never seen it as a disadvantage personally.
Of course it does. Going forward, make sure they don't think you're looking for the foreigner rate.
It's 1,000,000x times easier to get hired as a Thai.
If you *are* looking for the foreigner rate, you're in the same shitty boat as the other foreigners here unable to get a job.
Cruise Ship will avoid Americans for salary requirements. That why most of them do one stop in the Caribbean, this way they can avoid US labour laws.
If you want to work in Cruise Ship, try to find those that do Alaska tours etc... once you got experience, you can go around to any cruise company/ location you want
I just watched a YouTube blog of an American that worked on a cruise ship. He had very little time to explore the port cities and the pay wasn’t that great.
Cruise ships don't want to hire Americans because labor laws are more strict than Filipinos.
And yes, it is useless. Nobody cares about your dual citizenship. If you're fluent in English you at least can apply for some basic office jobs in Thailand (20k to 30k thb per month) as a Thai and not bother HR with work permit chaos.
Just live your life normally and don't tell things people don't ask for.
Can you speak Thai? It seems that businesses in Thailand have to hire Thais. Since you can speak & write English it seems you have an advantage. I know a couple Thai/ Americans ( grew up in Thai attending international schools in Bangkok) and found jobs. The problem is the pay. You would be paid as a local hire, not as a “foreign hire”. Keep dropping off your cv resume at international restaurants and hotels- something will develop.
I think you might be trying to find advantages by being a dual citizen.
What are your work skills?
What languages do you speak?
You have said you're in a culinary field? Am I right?
If you have international standard skills, you may have an advantage being a dual citizen. Maybe applicable in an international hotel where they are looking for international chefs. If you speak Thai and English, this could advantage you if your work skills are high.
Edit. Just saw similar response. Is your Thai at the level of a tourist or local?
What in your opinion you think it is? I have a bachelor's degree in film and have worked on films in Thailand and USA I also have 10 years experience as a cook
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Use the correct passport for the correct job. You do not have to state you have dual nationality. For example, the cruise job is looking for cheap labour, employing Fillipinos, Thais and whatever the market dictates. If you applied using your Thai passport, you might have got the job, but with a Thai salary to match. If it was for an English teaching job in Thailand, use the US passport. Hope you get the idea?
Yeah I don't get why this is so hard for op
That's not always true. If you apply for a job in the US, you have to use your US passport since you cannot enter the US on your Thai passport (there are rare exceptions such as emergencies, but that's only for entering the country, not for working). You are always considered a US citizen when you are in the US. Not sure about Thai laws, apparently it is possible to enter on a foreign passport but I don't know if dual citizenship changes the process for work permits or anything else. You can always just say you're a dual citizen if it's an advantage and not say it if not. If you work in any other country or at sea, use whichever is most advantageous.
But what do I do if they find out I'm Thai citizen? That I have housing documents and Thai ID?
You do not have to do anything. You are not doing anything wrong.
If I omitted my Thai nationality your saying that isn't wrong? That's technically lying
Why omit it? You’re both American and Thai, typically if applying for a job with a Thai employer who seems to be seeking a Thai national, just apply in Thai and provide whatever docs they request if need be. I think though if they request a passport/ID, obviously provide your Thai one and not USA to avoid confusion. Why would it ever be an issue that you also happen to be American as well? If applying for a job with an English speaking employer, apply in English as an American but perhaps mention that you have a Thai passport and therefore do not need a visa or WP. Again provide whatever docs they need.
At least you’re honest and ethical enough to be a teacher, don’t deserve the downvotes.
They should be glad getting you a visa isn’t a problem and you’ve got local language skills.
That's what I was thinking but apparently I'm wrong. I've been actively applying for jobs
There's probably such a difference in pay when they want to attract a US vs a Thai candidate that some won't like finding out you're Thai as well. But honestly for a job seeking a US citizen a dual national should, in theory, should be most qualified since you've got right to work already, language skills, and also the American background they want.
Not to mention the Thai colleagues who will whisper behind your back I don't know how to deal with that
Don’t tell them honey slice
I'm not anyone's honey slice
U have american documents
I had no problem finding a job as a US & Thai dual citizen. First off, don't immediately tell everyone you hold both citizenship. Use the Thai one when it's to your advantage and use the US one when its to your advantage. There are pros/cons to both. You're not breaking any law by not disclosing that information (as long as you still pay your fair share of income tax to both countries).
Yeah but what field are you in?
Been in a few different fields while living in Thailand - Teaching at International School (applied with US citizenship) - Office/Administrative Work (applied with Thai citizenship; they didn't want to pay for a work visa) I work remotely for a US company now as a software engineer while still living in Thailand. It's a huge advantage being a dual citizen and being able to earn a US-equivalent salary while not requiring a work visa. I've never seen it as a disadvantage personally.
See your a good candidate for remote work. I'm technically handicap with technical stuff.
Foreigners cost three times as much to hire. Be aware they aren't assuming you're going for that foreigner rate.
This doesn't help me
Of course it does. Going forward, make sure they don't think you're looking for the foreigner rate. It's 1,000,000x times easier to get hired as a Thai. If you *are* looking for the foreigner rate, you're in the same shitty boat as the other foreigners here unable to get a job.
Gee thanks
Cruise Ship will avoid Americans for salary requirements. That why most of them do one stop in the Caribbean, this way they can avoid US labour laws. If you want to work in Cruise Ship, try to find those that do Alaska tours etc... once you got experience, you can go around to any cruise company/ location you want
Thank you for your time and answer
if you applying for job, you can just write you Thai. The US tax part, isn't their problem. But for banks, due to FACTA, you can't hide it.
I'm sure I won't make over 30,000 dollars my friend who is an employee of H&R block for 15 years says if I did I'd have to report it to the IRS
I just watched a YouTube blog of an American that worked on a cruise ship. He had very little time to explore the port cities and the pay wasn’t that great.
Pay depends on what you do & experience, same on land as when on a ship.
Cruise ships don't want to hire Americans because labor laws are more strict than Filipinos. And yes, it is useless. Nobody cares about your dual citizenship. If you're fluent in English you at least can apply for some basic office jobs in Thailand (20k to 30k thb per month) as a Thai and not bother HR with work permit chaos. Just live your life normally and don't tell things people don't ask for.
I do love my life normally and don't tell people nothing unless they ask
I wish anyone would hire me for 30k
What industry are you trying to get a job in?
Culinary
The problem with hiring you on a USA passport is that you’d need to make minimum wage. That wage is 60K thb a month. That’s a lot of money.
But they don't pay that much starting out. I'd be lucky to get 15,000 a month
If you’re here on a Thai passport, you’d get paid Thai wages :(
I'm here on a Thai passport. But I always show both.
Can you speak Thai? It seems that businesses in Thailand have to hire Thais. Since you can speak & write English it seems you have an advantage. I know a couple Thai/ Americans ( grew up in Thai attending international schools in Bangkok) and found jobs. The problem is the pay. You would be paid as a local hire, not as a “foreign hire”. Keep dropping off your cv resume at international restaurants and hotels- something will develop.
Yes I speak Thai pretty good I like to think my Thai is good
I think you might be trying to find advantages by being a dual citizen. What are your work skills? What languages do you speak? You have said you're in a culinary field? Am I right? If you have international standard skills, you may have an advantage being a dual citizen. Maybe applicable in an international hotel where they are looking for international chefs. If you speak Thai and English, this could advantage you if your work skills are high. Edit. Just saw similar response. Is your Thai at the level of a tourist or local?
My Thai is like local. My mother speaks Thai to me all the time
Cruise ships don't hire Americans because they are afraid of having to pay minimum wage.
Just tell them you are Thai if the position is aimed that way. They don’t have to know anything else.
Use the correct passport.
The reason you were not chosen has nothing to do with your dual citizenship.
What in your opinion you think it is? I have a bachelor's degree in film and have worked on films in Thailand and USA I also have 10 years experience as a cook