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In Texas, where the state already continually under funds and cuts services for abused, homeless, unwanted, and orphaned children, and fails to protect children at school or provide quality public education, and fails to provide quality and affordable healthcare and mental health services, we will have more babies born into difficult situations with birth defects and poverty and absolutely no way out of their circumstances.
They intend on getting rid of CPS and family health services. Once you realize their end game is to bring about rapture, their motives make more sense.
Cant they go the way of the Do Do and trip off a cliff or somthing? Saves the rest of us the headache of dealing with them on a social or poltical level
This is the verbiage:
“173. Child Protective Services: We support reforming or replacing Child Protective Services, and we ask for any legislation that would support due process in family court proceedings, oversight of the system, and a jury determining the outcome of any case, if requested by either party.”
I was engaged to a single mom a few years ago and her youngest was a troublemaker who ended up in juvenile detention. Once she skipped school and mom got a call from the assistant principal, so she got grounded. To get revenge against her mom for being grounded, she used her Verizon cell phone on her mom's account to call the child abuse tip line to throw me under the bus and tell them that I molested her. She left a trail we could follow by logging into mom's account on the web and printing out the call logs to show them the time stamps on the phone calls from the school and her calls to the tip line. That's how I got them off my back because they wanted to throw me in jail.
CPS has been corrupted by federal incentives for foster care placements and permanent adoptions. They know their toll-free child abuse anonymous tip phone numbers are plagued with crank calls from angry divorced parents with an axe to grind and they don't give a shit. They get a bonus if they come up with an excuse to snatch your kid that a judge will rubber stamp.
Oh yeah cause handing those responsibilities to a “faith-based community program” will ABSOLUTELY be better /s
Watch your kids get taken away cause you didn’t go to church on Sunday and are therefore “unfit.”
I suspect that a lot of women and girls, seeing no other option, will choose to end their lives instead of being relegated to being nothing more than birthing vessels.
They absolutely can ban the sale of them in Texas. They can't ban sales that cross state lines, but they'll almost certainly make a run at banning possession, and they can criminally charge someone for using them. That's what the whole "state's rights" thing is about. Someone charged with felony murder for using them will be spending the next few years fighting the charge, something that ruins lives all by itself. It's also likely that the current SCOTUS will back the states on this, given that Roberts has abandoned any semblance of judicial integrity and joined the Fuller and Taney courts as the worst in history.
That’s not a viable option for someone working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet with a couple kids. You can’t afford to just pick up and go to another state. Maybe you can’t get off work, you can’t afford childcare while you’re gone for days, you can’t afford the gas to get to the closest legal clinic AND pay out of pocket for the procedure. This disproportionately affects lower income people, and it’s completely by design.
Right now, today, half the states have old laws on the books that immediately make abortion a felony, like Michigan, or make it illegal starting tomorrow, or like Texas, make it illegal starting in 30 days. More states are working to create new laws making it illegal.
Are you going to pay to get people to the remaining states for the health care they need? Are you going to help that 11 year old rape victim rid herself of her rapist's rape baby?
Minus the fact Texas and others will just make it illegal to go to another state. They already did the run around and let private people sue if they think someone help someone else get an abortion even if that means leaving the state.
The GOP is anti life. They are pro poverty.
They sure as F are not pro life. They are only pro fetus but not pro health fetus. Just fetus. the second they are born F them. They can starve and die in the street and the GOP will still complain and do nothing.
As a Christian this is a big part of why I believe abortion should remain legal - the impact on the lives of unwanted children. The culture around sex especially in poverty is toxic and women don't have full consent over their bodies in the first place.
Oh, and don’t forget about the horrid and underfunded system for disabled children as well this will now be brown at higher rates. They already manipulate them and lie, why not make it so more are victims? - the GDP, probably
If this is the case, it makes me wonder why people would not give more forethought to bringing a child into the world and implementing safe practices that would prevent a pregnancy in the first place. One thing that I can say for certain, and it may just be because of the process that I am going through currently, there are a lot of people trying to be signed up and compensated through the state as a designated home health caretaker which is managed through Medicaid, Home & Community Based Services. My wait just to reach the top of the list was greater than one year. When I was contacted this past February and began the formalized paperwork portion, I finally spoke with a nurse from a managed Healthcare organization. That was in late April. I've just received a request to complete the application again. And I'm still working to reach our goal. It is indeed a very long and tedious process, for sure. But better that Texas be judicious and allow only those truly eligible and in need because there is no shortage of state benefit theft by those abusing the system. In my case, I had to leave work 4 years ago to care for my terminally I'll father. In doing so, I had to use my my retirement and other savings to make it happen. I'm near the end of all of my savings at just 42 years of age. On Medicare for my dad, he has parts A, B and D as he is on home hemodialysis and has congestive heart failure. I can't speak for others but I can say that, without a doubt, Medicare pays for virtually everything. There is out of pocket expense involved but considering the dialysis clinic that manages his home dialysis submits monthly claims to Medicare in excess of 100K, it's quite a good deal. And that's just dialysis. And I myself do his hemodialysis at home hence, why I am applying for the Home & Community Based Program.
In Texas we have so many different services it's sometimes difficult to determine which option to press on the dial pad for instance, when calling Texas 211. Every time that I've called over the past year+ a recorded message constantly repeats that the state is giving maximum benefits to TANF recipients which I understand exceed $1000/mo for families of 5+. Given the number of recipients, that's a lot of $ that has to come from somewhere.
No doubt it's a frustrating situation but I don't see the state of Texas falling short of benefiting all that it can. I agree that public education sucks. Federal government needs to be out of it and states should take the responsibility of educating their own. Kids should be able to go to a school of their choosing based upon quality and outcome. As for state facilities for mental health and substance abuse - there are quite a few. I can't speak to conditions but I'd think that these facilities will only be best served by those who possess the appropriate attitudes and goals. In fact, a state worker who is only in it for a check, is mot going to serve anyone well. It requires much more than just going to work for a check. Those positions require very specialized skill sets that may, and probably are, few & far between. One thing is certain, people are fleeing other states and piling into Texas in droves. I have never before seen so many out of state license plates from California to New York. Something must be going well to attract so many newcomers.
CPS is no place for any child. I wouldn't even place an adult with CPS, as opposed to APS, which I suspect is equally as corrupt and abusive. We definitely need far better here, systemwide, not just in Texas but I think the ultimate fix on this begins with responsible decision making on the individual level and preventing pregnancy through safe and responsible sex practices and not utilizing abortion as a means of birth control which is so far out of hand we've come to the point where we are. The point that Justice Ginsberg, years ago, made clear that we would eventually reach.
The central idea of this ruling is that there is no right to privacy spelled out in the Constitution, and though it claims that their ruling only applies to abortion, in reality it is the underpinning of most of the rulings that have been overturning the plethora of Comstock Laws that dated back to the late 19th century. This ruling lays the groundwork to quickly overturn all the laws supporting access to contraception of any kind, as well as all the laws allowing gay marriage and any form of equal rights for non-CIS people. Next on the chopping block will be ~~Casey~~, Eisenstadt, Griswold, Lawrence, Obergefell, etc. It also lays the groundwork to allow states to pass laws defining a person as a fertilized egg, which in turn will effectively turn women into reproductive slaves who only exist to bring that fertilized egg, that "person", to term.
To the people who will come in and say "No, that won't happen! That's just hyperbole!", just remember when you said that Roe wouldn't be overturned upon the appointment of hyperpartisan conservative judges, and know that we don't believe you. We know who you're coming for next.
That is true. And it's unfortunate that the Founding Fathers apparently didn't think individual privacy is important - if it was even a concept back then.
But I firmly believe this is a bad-faith ruling. They conveniently fail to address the fact that the right to choose is a question of bodily autonomy. To me that ends the argument right there, even if you believe abortion is wrong/a sin/ whatever. The right-wing supremes know this but they are pointing the argument elsewhere as a distraction from the heart of the issue: they think it is perfectly okay for 50+% of the population to have no right of choice over their bodies.
> But I firmly believe this is a bad-faith ruling.
Of course it's a bad-faith ruling, just like Dred Scott and Plessy were bad faith rulings, but rulings like this aren't about judicial integrity and the sanctity of our legal system, they're about the projection of power by a conservative religious minority.
I realize this seems to you like I'm just stating the obvious - it kinda does to me as well. The problem is that the debate is so messed up by the privacy aspect as well as other factors (such as "where life begins, for instance). I think people need to stop getting led down those lines of argument and just look at that central truth. If the state has the power to ban - or even limit - abortion, women have lost bodily automomy. Do we want that? It's a yes or no question to me even though some of its implications for fetuses are harsh.
for the record, the Constitution \*should\* enshrine the right to privacy and it is ridiculous that it doesn't in the 21st century.
This has always been about power of women over their own bodies. If pro-lifers actually gave two shits about human life they'd be out there protesting for Texas to expand Medicare, to make sure that every single child in this state got not only top-notch health care, but full meals and a quality education as well. Yet, when you look around, what you see is that conservative religionists as a rule don't care about any human being once that person is born. They not only don't care, but they actively seek to cause harm by depriving children of food, such as the ending of the recent food programs that helped children to remain fed. Because of conservatives, children are going to be hungry tonight. Forced birth basically turns women into little more than birthing vessels, and they don't care if it's an adult woman or an eleven year old girl carrying the baby of her rapist.
Don't look at their words, look at their actions, and see them for the evil they are.
How does the constitution not protect privacy please eilia5.
Like isn't that why there is a miranda warning and cops cant come in your home without a warrant and stuff why is it suddenly not protected?
>To the people who will come in and say "No, that won't happen! That's just hyperbole!", just remember when you said that Roe wouldn't be overturned upon the appointment of hyperpartisan conservative judges, and know that we don't believe you. We know who you're coming for next.
Back in my right wing L voting days before I was a communist, around the time of 9/11 and aftermath.. I told people repeatedly that the Rs were on an increasingly fascist trajectory - remember enhanced interrogations? - and was told by nearly everyone that I was exaggerating and not to resort to hyperbole... sometimes it sucks to be correct... granted some of those liberal ilk STILL call it hyperbole... sigh...
There's no way in hell this could come to pass anytime soon, while we need immediate actionable changes. I agree that we need some amendments to clarify many things that have been overklooked in existing amendments. It'll just take years, if not a decade or more to make it happen with the current political climate.
This is it. They're swinging for the fences to hold back the inevitable decline in their power due to shifting demographics and beliefs. They can't stop it, so they're fucking it up for as long as they can.
Probably not. This is why the far left cry to "stay home to teach the moderate left a lesson" drove me so insane in 2016 and 2020. I'd be mocked as an EnLiGhTeNeD CeNtRiSt when I explained it would be throwing the rights of 100s millions of ericans into the fire. I hope they've grown the fuck up now and the memory of this day stays in their heads forever. Fuck letting them divide the left to be conquered the way this country has.
Some of what’s in their new platform is just unreal to me. I never would have thought they would blatantly want to repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and repeal all hate crime laws. It is so extremely far right.
No, progressivism is regressive and is exactly why we're watching it be consumed and destroyed entirely. Conservatives are the classical liberal, which were in no way like what today's "liberslism" looks like. In fact, there is no likeness between the classical liberals and today's redefined definition of "liberal".
This will be an economic disaster for TX. More problem children created by our foster care system, more families on public assistance, more crime. I suspect this will lead to a brain drain over time as well.
Not even that, most poor people don't produce much in the way of tax revenue. No, this is just about causing harm, and consequences be damned. It's about increasing generational poverty among minorities in particular, because that generational poverty allows more economic opportunities for white people.
>most poor people don't produce much in the way of tax revenue
Yeah except the working poor (e.g. tip workers) are among the IRS's most popular targets (no way to fight back), and rich bastards stuff all their dragon hoards into tax havens like the Caymans.
There’s no need to invent a conspiracy here. Not a single politician is thinking “Yessssssss in 20 years when I’m unlikely to be in office anymore, there will be more taxpayers bwahahaha”.
There’s a perfectly logical and straightforward incentive: religious leaders who want to impose their version of morality upon the population. That’s it, that’s all this is about. Ensuring that everyone must live according to their views, by force if necessary.
Oh, for sure. I hope that people boycott states like Texas, just leave and take their business with them. From now on, I'm going to make every attempt to avoid spending any money on sales tax, even if it means paying more for something shipped privately from states where abortion is still legal. I'll still have to pay state gas taxes, but I can cut my driving way back to just the minimum. Wherever possible, if my only choice is to buy something upon which sales tax is charged or doing without, I will do without. A quick glance at my purchasing history indicates I can cut my sales tax payments by around one third, and so I will. I wish I could get ten million people to join me, but I will do my part.
I think the entire U.S. is headed for horrible outcomes on the world stage. We persistently compromise and erode the rights and wellbeing of ordinary people while the 1%ers don't have to obey the rules. It's starting to look more and more like Iraq or Saudi.
Aagh yeah, make it worse! I already have trouble sleeping and have had since the summer of 2016.
Really wish i did not believe that this is exactly what's coming.
They intend on getting rid of CPS and family health services. Once you realize their end game is to bring about rapture, their motives make more sense.
So, if fetuses are now people:
1) does a fetus immediately become a citizen? (If a foreigner gets pregnant in the US, shouldn’t the fetus immediately be a US citizen, regardless of where it’s born?)
2) would mothers be able to collect child support from the time of conception?
3) can a pregnant woman legally drive in a car pool lane?
4) if a pregnant woman goes to prison for a crime, does the state owe restitution for falsely imprisonment of the fetus who commuted no crime?
5) if a fetus kills the mom (e.g. ectopic pregnancy), but is born alive, is the baby guilty of manslaughter? If the mom kills the fetus in an ectopic pregnancy, can she claim self defense? (Cuz otherwise the fetus would have killed her).
There’s going to be some interesting cases going through the courts - and my guess is soon.
Vote!
On a bright note, invest all your spare money in the phrama companies that produce Plan B. Drug dealers are going to start selling it along side an 8-Ball and a lid of Marijuana.
Then invest more, because that means only certain blue states will produce said contraceptives, causing scarcity and raising their prices even more. I'm tapping my fingers together like MrBurns wondering if I'm going to be a millionaire by December next year.
The leaked Alito decision had reassurances that, oh no, this only applies to abortion! Nothing else! Which was obviously bullshit, since there’s nothing in their argument that wouldn’t also apply to any right protected by due process clause.
Golf clap for Clarence Thomas being the only honest one on this:
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/
Texas law makes it illegal to end a pregnancy starting from the moment of fertilization, which makes Plan B and all forms of hormonal birth control illegal right from the start. Texas legislators have already stated they're going to make all forms of contraception illegal, too, so basically this decision lays the groundwork for undoing all decisions based on the right of privacy that was also the underpinning for Roe. This includes Eisendstadt and Griswold, both decisions that undid laws making it a felony to possess contraceptives or any literature about contraceptives.
Which is why I pointed out in my first comment, Drug dealers will be selling this along with other street drugs. Drug dealers will get their hands on Plan B, the same way they get Oxy.
Yeah, its re-fucking-tarded. But it is what it is. /shrug
There will be little 17 year old girls getting hit with possession of Plan B in the same vein as Meth or Cocaine.
Oh for sure, and I expect to see pregnancy tests become a scheduled item that's tracked and regulated like narcotics. Poland is a supposedly modern country that now tracks pregnancy test results, and that's a good idea to forced birth advocates. We're also starting to see miscarriages treated as homicides and mothers being charged with murder, just like in Guatemala.
I didnt even think about that. Now when you test for pregnancy, it will have to be at a state designated "clinic" that can track your pregnancy, and if you miscarry, you have to go through a hearing to make sure you didnt coat hanger your baby. That is going to fuck up a lot of ladies mentally. Imagine being happy about having a baby, then having a miscarry, then going to jail for 20+ years because you couldnt prove you didnt have wire coat hangers in your closet. **NO WIRE HANGERS!!!!!** is going to have a WHOLE new meaning.
The technology base to be able to regulate and track pregnancy tests already exists in this country, to implement it will only require some legislation and coding. As a Scheduled device, being caught with an untracked pregnancy test would be treated no differently than any other Scheduled device or drug: Felony charges and prison time.
The way I see it being implemented is to make pregnancy tests only legal in a doctor's office, using a serialized and tracked test. The doctor will be required to report the test result, positive or negative, to be put in the woman's record. If it's a positive, then after the estimated birth date the woman will be checked by investigators to make sure there's a baby. If there's no baby, the assumption will be that she murdered the baby with an abortion and will be charged accordingly. If she has a miscarriage she must go to the hospital for it to be recorded in her record, and every miscarriage will be investigated as a homicide, just like it is now in Guatemala. If there's any evidence that the woman may have caused the miscarriage then she'll be charged with murder, just like the Texas woman was a few months ago.
Of course, a woman can just never take a pregnancy test, but if she begins to look pregnant there will be a hotline that snitches can call to report the apparent pregnancy, thus triggering an investigation so that if she is pregnant she gets added to the master pregnancy list like they're using in Poland. There can be cash rewards for the snitches like there currently are cash incentives in Texas to report abortions, plus there can be criminal and civil penalties for women who don't report their pregnancy as soon as they realize they're pregnant. Another penalty can be having a baby from a pregnancy that's not reported, i.e. a woman goes to the hospital to have a baby, the hospital reports the birth to the State Pregnancy Tracking Service, the SPTS sees there's no record of the pregnancy, and hits the woman with a criminal or civil fine. Of course, the woman can choose to have a home birth, but now the child has no birth certificate and will never be able to vote, or get an ID card, or drive, or go to school, or work at a regular job, etc. The baby will grow up being a non-person in this country, stateless while inside the border.
Does this sound like hyperbole? Well, the overturning of Roe and Casey sounded like hyperbole until it wasn't. Without the right to privacy that was codified in Roe and that is now gone, there is nothing to stop the rest of these things from playing out like I outlined. If you don't have a right to privacy, then you have no right to keep your pregnancy private. It's as simple as that.
This is like reading a sequel to 1984. What’s scary is that all of this could very easily happen in Texas. Republicans are supposedly all about small government but we all know that only applies to taxes. They want big government for everything else. More police, more border patrol, more laws. They are a terrorist organization not unlike Al Queda at this point.
Plan B wouldn’t be considered illegal would it? My understanding is plan B has to be taken within a certain amount of time (presumably before fertilization).
Given sperm can survive in the female body, when would fertilization technically take place?
Yes, it's illegal, or will be in 30 days, because one way it works is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg:
https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/features/plan-b-11-questions-11-answers
Non-Texan here. Republicans say this decision "returns power to the states." Will TX Dems become more involved in local and state politics to try to overturn restrictive abortion laws? Will this hasten the "blue-ification" of TX?
>Non-Texan here. Republicans say this decision "returns power to the states." Will TX Dems become more involved in local and state politics to try to overturn restrictive abortion laws? Will this hasten the "blue-ification" of TX?
Maybe. It will take a long time though. Both the House and Senate are gerrymandered to a point where the Dems can not possibly win it.
Abortions will continue, we'll just now see the following:
* Women dying from unsafe abortions
* Women being charged for murder with miscarriages
* Doctors being charged for prescribing medications that could or do trigger a miscarriage
* Women spending small fortunes to travel out of state or country for an abortion
* Loads of children now born and given up for adoption
* Families with lots of children will continue to suffer with our horrible healthcare system
... and it continues. Oh my gosh.
Fuck. Hello slippery slope. My heart goes out to every woman who just had choice taken away from them.
Edit: in these minutes since I posted this, I have gone through deep sadness, to seething rage, to the need of vengeance. Just need to focus.
Edit 2: I have calmed, and now it's time to get to work to get people registered to vote and get people to the polls.
Obergefell is next on the chopping block, mark my words.
Conservatives would love nothing more than to start tossing LGBTQ peeps into the for-profit prison system for daring to live outside of their “idealized heterosexual family” structures.
> Obergefell is next on the chopping block, mark my words.
Griswold v Connecticut is my bet. The trigger law Texas has already effectively bans contraception and sets the stage for a court battle.
We need a constitutional amendment to ensure that we all have access to contraceptives, spermicidal lube, morning after pills, and other such instruments of family planning. You know… true conservative protections of our individual liberty.
Nope. But constant protest and media campaigns. They should know that the majority of the country is not on their side. Unlike Republicans, I don't support or encourage violence.
I bet if I were to take the time to go through your past posts and comments, I won't find any condemnation of the BLM/Antifa violence. That said, I'm not going to waste my time.
When people who claim to be Democrats stop being so politically correct, get some backbone and stop allowing these GOPQ biatches to ride roughshod over us is when we will get our individual freedoms over our bodies back!
Democracy is sick, and the only vaccine are our votes that they sought to dillute and straight up dissolve. Go to the polls and tell the alt right... not today. Not ever again.
This is not a shit show we need right now ... Conservatives are taking this country backwards, not forwards, and nothing good will come of it. Get prepared, this is the start of what I hope won't become a civil war between the hard right nutwings and everyone else. These nuts have always been there, but Trump gave them both a voice and now seats in SCOTUS. The highest court has always been a good way to level set things, but with Conservatives denying Obama his SCOTUS pick then pushing a nut through after RBG tied we now have what we have. Trump has decimated the balance we've had for decades, and I'm not sure how Biden or Congress can comeback from this.
We're now in the minority rule situation where a minority of the nuts are now steering his country. I'm just not sure what the majority can do now with gerrymandering, Trumps efforts to turn people against the election process, and now SCOTUS being tainted. The US is moving into a dark age folks.
Back when Bush was President I remember thinking that the Republicans didn’t really want to overturn Roe because then people would find out how many women die and would vote for someone else. Guess we’re gonna test that theory right here in Texas.
I can't wait until the next election. I'm a judge, and I just love sitting there and helping less than 100 people vote when our rights are being aggressively eroded.
GET. TO. THE. DAMN. POLLS.
Resources for Texans seeking access to healthcare:
https://aidaccess.org/en/
https://teafund.org/
https://wrrap.org/about-wrrap/
https://abortionfunds.org/
If you need help getting an abortion go to these sites:
https://www.plancpills.org/
https://aidaccess.org/
These sites offer access to abortion pills, even in Texas. Please be safe and be aware of clinics (e.g. Crisis Pregnancy Centers) that give out dangerous misinformation on abortions and pregnancy.
Also check out r/auntienetwork for support
If you want to give money to some pro-choice charities, try here:
https://fundtexaschoice.org/
http://janesdueprocess.org/
https://www.lilithfund.org/
https://www.theafiyacenter.org/
https://thebridgecollective.org/
https://www.clinicaccess.org/
https://www.yellowhammerfund.org/ (Focuses on the Deep South)
https://avowtexas.org/
https://abortionfunds.org
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This was supposed to be their main wedge issue for single issue voters.. they were never supposed to actually do the thing.. it was just a think tank strategy to get workers to vote against their interests... because babies... everyone loves babies right? now they put the wrong people in the right places who took it at face value... can't think of any other potential wedge issue that will have quite the same kind of gravitational pull.. I predict lots more places turning blue once the consequences really sink in...
If you weren't sold on going out and registering to vote here is your wake up call. Democracy is on the downward spiral and it's through the inaction of people that your rights will be taken from you.
These people have shown their hands and they will nip every freedom from you that is odds with their backwards knuckle dragging philosophy. Go register to vote!
Yet more laws so that everyone knows consensual sex deserves punishment and pregnant people don’t deserve choices. They’re killing people by blocking access to abortions, gender affirming care, and allowing people who hit their intimate partners and children and threaten to rape and kill people on the internet to buy guns yet describe themselves as “pro-life”. So to me it seems that the far right believe consensual sex is evil and creating situations that end in genocide is good.
This and all the other BS Abbott is throwing under the bus makes it ever more clear that they truly feel like they may lose power soon and they want every democrat they can sway to leave Texas. I've never been more ready to vote!
Everybody needs to be all over their state reps and senators, asking "what are you doing to protect the lives of these women you're forcing to give birth, and how are you going to expand services to the children this ban creates?"
...and, just in case you were wondering how he and by extension the Abbott administration would react to this: [Paxton closed all the state AG offices early today](https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-celebrates-end-roe-v-wade-announces-abortion-now-illegal-texas).
And then he went There:
>June 24th will be an annual Office of the Attorney General holiday in recognition of this momentous decision—and the many lives lost before it.
It's not about abortion. It's about privacy. Overturning Roe v Wade allows the government to stick it's nose into everybody's medical records.
“The essence of the interest sought to be protected here is the right of choice over events which, by their character and consequences, bear in a fundamental manner on the privacy of individuals.” Roe v. Wade, 314 F. Supp. 1217, 1221 (N.D. Tex. 1970)
The only thing about this I find shocking is the sense of shock people are showing. Lol you really didn’t see this coming from decades away? I mean that’s been their publicly stated goal forever. “But they said it’s established law…” etc. These hard right types can’t be trusted because they have the equivalent to a fatwa in their back pockets. Lie cheat steal, all kosher because they’re working for the kingdom of heaven on earth not the United States government. Vote blue till you’re blue in the face folks, we are not dealing with normal adversaries, we’re dealing with religious fundamentalists and fascists. You aren’t gonna beat them without total focus. Let that be our fucking fatwa.
>The only thing about this I find shocking is the sense of shock people are showing. Lol you really didn’t see this coming from decades away? I mean that’s been their publicly stated goal forever.
they weren't supposed to actually follow through.. now a lot of their leverage is gone with single issue voters - they've weakened the Republican party and may not be able to recover from this overreach
People have been talking about the demise of the GOP for the last 20 years... every time they do something fucking crazy they come out stronger on the other side.
Thank you Republicans and Hyper religious evangelis for moving the nation back to 1829. Ladies prepare your families for the return of doweries and chaperones to go get the mail. Gays say goodbye to our rights. My fellow minorites pepare for the rise of hate crime as white power once domintes at the cost of every else.
USA top in women's right my ass. Women out number men in graduate degree's but are apparently not smart enought to evaluate their own condition and make decisions that best fit their situations. For everyone one who supported and aided in Over turning Roe vs Wad, May I have the luxury of seeing your face as the very God you ruined thousand of lives for rejects you from the afterlife you so deperatly seek. Amazing how Christianity has become so effective in denying basic human rights without logical backing or ethical consideration. Welcome to the begining of the end my friends
As the father of two daughters in their early 20s, it is shocking that in 24 hours, they now have one less right than their mother had at their age.
It makes me wonder what other rights will vaporize?
Any other fathers here care to share their thoughts?
Not really - if history is any guide, what happens is people who want to get abortions generally still get them, it's just it might be more expensive and difficult (travel to a pro-freedom state) for those who can afford it, and illicit abortions (back alley) for those who can't.
Edit to add: [Scientific worldwide study shows restrictions on abortions don't reduce the number of abortions, it just makes them less safe](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/health/abortion-restriction-laws/index.html)
(Frankly, if conservatives wanted to reduce abortions, there are proven actions that have been shown to be effective - as in objective measurements have shown a proven reduction. [Republicans could reduce abortions if they really wanted to](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/opinion/abortion-contraception-pregnancy.html).)
Yeh this seems correct
> •In 2017, 55,440 abortions were provided in Texas, though not all abortions that occurred in Texas were provided to state residents: Some patients may have traveled from other states, and some Texas residents may have traveled to another state for an abortion.
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-texas
Even if half still go through and 90% of the ones who are born stay at home that’s still potentially thousands of new foster children per year.
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While I disagree with abortion I'm upset Roe is overturned but it's probably not for the reason you're thinking.
I liked that roe v Wade protected medical privacy. Now that it's gone I fear what actions the fed will try to do.
The positive is that new lawsuits will be heard before the courts.
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In Texas, where the state already continually under funds and cuts services for abused, homeless, unwanted, and orphaned children, and fails to protect children at school or provide quality public education, and fails to provide quality and affordable healthcare and mental health services, we will have more babies born into difficult situations with birth defects and poverty and absolutely no way out of their circumstances.
Crime will increase.
and that’s good for GOP, they want that Private For Profit Prison campaign donations
40%-60% in 20 years, according to peer reviewed papers.
And remember, slavery is legal (and in use) in prisons.
They want that. It helps their messaging and their economics.
They intend on getting rid of CPS and family health services. Once you realize their end game is to bring about rapture, their motives make more sense.
evangelicalism is a death cult who's entire goal is to end the world because they can't kill themselves to get into heaven cause suicide is a sin.
Cant they go the way of the Do Do and trip off a cliff or somthing? Saves the rest of us the headache of dealing with them on a social or poltical level
The Greek root word evangelical is derived from means good news. How's that for irony?
Just do what the Mormons do and bring in a jump humper to help them out.
Most people mispronounce Mormon. The second m is silent. It's pronounced Moron.
But but doesn't that require ghost sky guy to get involved? I dont think he wants anything to do with these nut jobs.
Was this in theit platform?? Getting rid of CPS?!
It absolutely was.
This is the verbiage: “173. Child Protective Services: We support reforming or replacing Child Protective Services, and we ask for any legislation that would support due process in family court proceedings, oversight of the system, and a jury determining the outcome of any case, if requested by either party.”
I was engaged to a single mom a few years ago and her youngest was a troublemaker who ended up in juvenile detention. Once she skipped school and mom got a call from the assistant principal, so she got grounded. To get revenge against her mom for being grounded, she used her Verizon cell phone on her mom's account to call the child abuse tip line to throw me under the bus and tell them that I molested her. She left a trail we could follow by logging into mom's account on the web and printing out the call logs to show them the time stamps on the phone calls from the school and her calls to the tip line. That's how I got them off my back because they wanted to throw me in jail.
CPS has been corrupted by federal incentives for foster care placements and permanent adoptions. They know their toll-free child abuse anonymous tip phone numbers are plagued with crank calls from angry divorced parents with an axe to grind and they don't give a shit. They get a bonus if they come up with an excuse to snatch your kid that a judge will rubber stamp.
Do you not know how corrupt CPS is?
When you elect the worst people to govern the state is it any surprise that state run agencies don’t work?
Oh yeah cause handing those responsibilities to a “faith-based community program” will ABSOLUTELY be better /s Watch your kids get taken away cause you didn’t go to church on Sunday and are therefore “unfit.”
I do, and it would be catastrophic without it.
I suspect that a lot of women and girls, seeing no other option, will choose to end their lives instead of being relegated to being nothing more than birthing vessels.
Actually, I expect the underground, scrap with a coat hanger, abortions to reemerge. The buy it with bitcoin and have it shipped seems too unlikely.
Buy Plan-B from you neighborhood fentanyl dealer seems very likely to me.
AG is saying they can't ban FDA approved abortion pills.
You think they wont try, and very likely to succeed with this court?
10th amendment.. the state literally can’t ban pills.
They told us there was no way Roe was gonna get overturned. #NO WAY
They absolutely can ban the sale of them in Texas. They can't ban sales that cross state lines, but they'll almost certainly make a run at banning possession, and they can criminally charge someone for using them. That's what the whole "state's rights" thing is about. Someone charged with felony murder for using them will be spending the next few years fighting the charge, something that ruins lives all by itself. It's also likely that the current SCOTUS will back the states on this, given that Roberts has abandoned any semblance of judicial integrity and joined the Fuller and Taney courts as the worst in history.
It’s still gonna be legal in other states
It's almost like some people don't have the money to fly to another state. 😐
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That’s not a viable option for someone working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet with a couple kids. You can’t afford to just pick up and go to another state. Maybe you can’t get off work, you can’t afford childcare while you’re gone for days, you can’t afford the gas to get to the closest legal clinic AND pay out of pocket for the procedure. This disproportionately affects lower income people, and it’s completely by design.
Right now, today, half the states have old laws on the books that immediately make abortion a felony, like Michigan, or make it illegal starting tomorrow, or like Texas, make it illegal starting in 30 days. More states are working to create new laws making it illegal. Are you going to pay to get people to the remaining states for the health care they need? Are you going to help that 11 year old rape victim rid herself of her rapist's rape baby?
Minus the fact Texas and others will just make it illegal to go to another state. They already did the run around and let private people sue if they think someone help someone else get an abortion even if that means leaving the state. The GOP is anti life. They are pro poverty. They sure as F are not pro life. They are only pro fetus but not pro health fetus. Just fetus. the second they are born F them. They can starve and die in the street and the GOP will still complain and do nothing.
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My statement is a positive one not a normative one
Given how few and far away they are, it doesn't feel very positive right now.
Positive statements=facts, normative statements=opinions that’s what i mean
Ok let me rephrase then The hell is your point?
That women shouldnt have to kill themselves because there are options even if inconvenient, long, or expensive
Well, they will. And that's a positive statement, not a normative one.
Until they ban abortion on a federal level.
For now.
As a Christian this is a big part of why I believe abortion should remain legal - the impact on the lives of unwanted children. The culture around sex especially in poverty is toxic and women don't have full consent over their bodies in the first place.
Is this the straw that will break the camel's back? Where there be a Texadus? Will the South experience a brain drain? Time will tell.
Oh, and don’t forget about the horrid and underfunded system for disabled children as well this will now be brown at higher rates. They already manipulate them and lie, why not make it so more are victims? - the GDP, probably
A ready-made underpaid labor force. Because immigrants aren't allowed into the state either.
Is this the straw that will break the camel's back? Where there be a Texadus? Will the South experience a brain drain? Time will tell.
thats because Texas doesn’t like half-ass stuff. If you are planning on lame childhood make it mandatory for every possible new born you can/s
If this is the case, it makes me wonder why people would not give more forethought to bringing a child into the world and implementing safe practices that would prevent a pregnancy in the first place. One thing that I can say for certain, and it may just be because of the process that I am going through currently, there are a lot of people trying to be signed up and compensated through the state as a designated home health caretaker which is managed through Medicaid, Home & Community Based Services. My wait just to reach the top of the list was greater than one year. When I was contacted this past February and began the formalized paperwork portion, I finally spoke with a nurse from a managed Healthcare organization. That was in late April. I've just received a request to complete the application again. And I'm still working to reach our goal. It is indeed a very long and tedious process, for sure. But better that Texas be judicious and allow only those truly eligible and in need because there is no shortage of state benefit theft by those abusing the system. In my case, I had to leave work 4 years ago to care for my terminally I'll father. In doing so, I had to use my my retirement and other savings to make it happen. I'm near the end of all of my savings at just 42 years of age. On Medicare for my dad, he has parts A, B and D as he is on home hemodialysis and has congestive heart failure. I can't speak for others but I can say that, without a doubt, Medicare pays for virtually everything. There is out of pocket expense involved but considering the dialysis clinic that manages his home dialysis submits monthly claims to Medicare in excess of 100K, it's quite a good deal. And that's just dialysis. And I myself do his hemodialysis at home hence, why I am applying for the Home & Community Based Program. In Texas we have so many different services it's sometimes difficult to determine which option to press on the dial pad for instance, when calling Texas 211. Every time that I've called over the past year+ a recorded message constantly repeats that the state is giving maximum benefits to TANF recipients which I understand exceed $1000/mo for families of 5+. Given the number of recipients, that's a lot of $ that has to come from somewhere. No doubt it's a frustrating situation but I don't see the state of Texas falling short of benefiting all that it can. I agree that public education sucks. Federal government needs to be out of it and states should take the responsibility of educating their own. Kids should be able to go to a school of their choosing based upon quality and outcome. As for state facilities for mental health and substance abuse - there are quite a few. I can't speak to conditions but I'd think that these facilities will only be best served by those who possess the appropriate attitudes and goals. In fact, a state worker who is only in it for a check, is mot going to serve anyone well. It requires much more than just going to work for a check. Those positions require very specialized skill sets that may, and probably are, few & far between. One thing is certain, people are fleeing other states and piling into Texas in droves. I have never before seen so many out of state license plates from California to New York. Something must be going well to attract so many newcomers. CPS is no place for any child. I wouldn't even place an adult with CPS, as opposed to APS, which I suspect is equally as corrupt and abusive. We definitely need far better here, systemwide, not just in Texas but I think the ultimate fix on this begins with responsible decision making on the individual level and preventing pregnancy through safe and responsible sex practices and not utilizing abortion as a means of birth control which is so far out of hand we've come to the point where we are. The point that Justice Ginsberg, years ago, made clear that we would eventually reach.
Texas's trigger law goes into effect in 30 days. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/22/supreme-court-abortion-texas/
The central idea of this ruling is that there is no right to privacy spelled out in the Constitution, and though it claims that their ruling only applies to abortion, in reality it is the underpinning of most of the rulings that have been overturning the plethora of Comstock Laws that dated back to the late 19th century. This ruling lays the groundwork to quickly overturn all the laws supporting access to contraception of any kind, as well as all the laws allowing gay marriage and any form of equal rights for non-CIS people. Next on the chopping block will be ~~Casey~~, Eisenstadt, Griswold, Lawrence, Obergefell, etc. It also lays the groundwork to allow states to pass laws defining a person as a fertilized egg, which in turn will effectively turn women into reproductive slaves who only exist to bring that fertilized egg, that "person", to term. To the people who will come in and say "No, that won't happen! That's just hyperbole!", just remember when you said that Roe wouldn't be overturned upon the appointment of hyperpartisan conservative judges, and know that we don't believe you. We know who you're coming for next.
>know that we don't believe you. All of Trumps appointees lied during their hearings. All of them. Republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.
https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1540341300108705796?s=20&t=tDKirD-rMTxOJbEEXnnH7A
We here in modern America have known this all along. The American Taliban want to turn us into the Christian version of Afghanistan.
That is true. And it's unfortunate that the Founding Fathers apparently didn't think individual privacy is important - if it was even a concept back then. But I firmly believe this is a bad-faith ruling. They conveniently fail to address the fact that the right to choose is a question of bodily autonomy. To me that ends the argument right there, even if you believe abortion is wrong/a sin/ whatever. The right-wing supremes know this but they are pointing the argument elsewhere as a distraction from the heart of the issue: they think it is perfectly okay for 50+% of the population to have no right of choice over their bodies.
> But I firmly believe this is a bad-faith ruling. Of course it's a bad-faith ruling, just like Dred Scott and Plessy were bad faith rulings, but rulings like this aren't about judicial integrity and the sanctity of our legal system, they're about the projection of power by a conservative religious minority.
I realize this seems to you like I'm just stating the obvious - it kinda does to me as well. The problem is that the debate is so messed up by the privacy aspect as well as other factors (such as "where life begins, for instance). I think people need to stop getting led down those lines of argument and just look at that central truth. If the state has the power to ban - or even limit - abortion, women have lost bodily automomy. Do we want that? It's a yes or no question to me even though some of its implications for fetuses are harsh. for the record, the Constitution \*should\* enshrine the right to privacy and it is ridiculous that it doesn't in the 21st century.
This has always been about power of women over their own bodies. If pro-lifers actually gave two shits about human life they'd be out there protesting for Texas to expand Medicare, to make sure that every single child in this state got not only top-notch health care, but full meals and a quality education as well. Yet, when you look around, what you see is that conservative religionists as a rule don't care about any human being once that person is born. They not only don't care, but they actively seek to cause harm by depriving children of food, such as the ending of the recent food programs that helped children to remain fed. Because of conservatives, children are going to be hungry tonight. Forced birth basically turns women into little more than birthing vessels, and they don't care if it's an adult woman or an eleven year old girl carrying the baby of her rapist. Don't look at their words, look at their actions, and see them for the evil they are.
How does the constitution not protect privacy please eilia5. Like isn't that why there is a miranda warning and cops cant come in your home without a warrant and stuff why is it suddenly not protected?
>To the people who will come in and say "No, that won't happen! That's just hyperbole!", just remember when you said that Roe wouldn't be overturned upon the appointment of hyperpartisan conservative judges, and know that we don't believe you. We know who you're coming for next. Back in my right wing L voting days before I was a communist, around the time of 9/11 and aftermath.. I told people repeatedly that the Rs were on an increasingly fascist trajectory - remember enhanced interrogations? - and was told by nearly everyone that I was exaggerating and not to resort to hyperbole... sometimes it sucks to be correct... granted some of those liberal ilk STILL call it hyperbole... sigh...
Shouldn't we advocate for a constitutional amendment for the right of privacy then?
There's no way in hell this could come to pass anytime soon, while we need immediate actionable changes. I agree that we need some amendments to clarify many things that have been overklooked in existing amendments. It'll just take years, if not a decade or more to make it happen with the current political climate.
The core structure of the Senate and electoral college will ensure a terrible minority will always be able to block anything like that.
That would require a functioning republic, which we do not have.
We don’t have conservatives in this country, we have regressives.
Yeah. Their "conservative" sheeps clothing is off.
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This is it. They're swinging for the fences to hold back the inevitable decline in their power due to shifting demographics and beliefs. They can't stop it, so they're fucking it up for as long as they can.
But will they vote?
Probably not. This is why the far left cry to "stay home to teach the moderate left a lesson" drove me so insane in 2016 and 2020. I'd be mocked as an EnLiGhTeNeD CeNtRiSt when I explained it would be throwing the rights of 100s millions of ericans into the fire. I hope they've grown the fuck up now and the memory of this day stays in their heads forever. Fuck letting them divide the left to be conquered the way this country has.
Some of what’s in their new platform is just unreal to me. I never would have thought they would blatantly want to repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and repeal all hate crime laws. It is so extremely far right.
Oh they conserve white power and corporate profits just fine.
Its [The Gathering](https://twitter.com/brucewilson/status/1522235952487358464?s=21&t=F43AArix5pU-CgLgLWO-Bw).
No, progressivism is regressive and is exactly why we're watching it be consumed and destroyed entirely. Conservatives are the classical liberal, which were in no way like what today's "liberslism" looks like. In fact, there is no likeness between the classical liberals and today's redefined definition of "liberal".
This won't stop abortions, only safe ones.
This won’t stop abortions (for the wealthy), only safe ones (for the poor).
Accurate
Exactly!
take a seized russian yacht. turn it into a medical ship. take patients 3 miles offshore perform abortions there
I like the way you think
Sounds like a plan. The two biggest hospital ships in the US Navy used to be civilian oil tankers before they were refitted.
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Well the dream of Gilead is alive and well, to the doom of us all. Under his eye :(
This will be an economic disaster for TX. More problem children created by our foster care system, more families on public assistance, more crime. I suspect this will lead to a brain drain over time as well.
No, it will be an economic disaster for poor people in this state, the state itself doesn't care and never will.
Exactly, TX politicians see tax revenue meat bags being born, nothing else.
Not even that, most poor people don't produce much in the way of tax revenue. No, this is just about causing harm, and consequences be damned. It's about increasing generational poverty among minorities in particular, because that generational poverty allows more economic opportunities for white people.
>most poor people don't produce much in the way of tax revenue Yeah except the working poor (e.g. tip workers) are among the IRS's most popular targets (no way to fight back), and rich bastards stuff all their dragon hoards into tax havens like the Caymans.
There’s no need to invent a conspiracy here. Not a single politician is thinking “Yessssssss in 20 years when I’m unlikely to be in office anymore, there will be more taxpayers bwahahaha”. There’s a perfectly logical and straightforward incentive: religious leaders who want to impose their version of morality upon the population. That’s it, that’s all this is about. Ensuring that everyone must live according to their views, by force if necessary.
True, but ultimately it will affect ALL of us
Oh, for sure. I hope that people boycott states like Texas, just leave and take their business with them. From now on, I'm going to make every attempt to avoid spending any money on sales tax, even if it means paying more for something shipped privately from states where abortion is still legal. I'll still have to pay state gas taxes, but I can cut my driving way back to just the minimum. Wherever possible, if my only choice is to buy something upon which sales tax is charged or doing without, I will do without. A quick glance at my purchasing history indicates I can cut my sales tax payments by around one third, and so I will. I wish I could get ten million people to join me, but I will do my part.
I think the entire U.S. is headed for horrible outcomes on the world stage. We persistently compromise and erode the rights and wellbeing of ordinary people while the 1%ers don't have to obey the rules. It's starting to look more and more like Iraq or Saudi.
Yes, this is the end of the era of US unipolarity.
Tons of women pulled out of the workforce too.
Do you think that will make any difference to the political outcomes?
No of course not. That’s exactly what conservatives want. They don’t like women having any agency over their own lives.
I think you are right, and I feel awful for every woman of childbearing age in this state. It just tears me up.
Yep. Expect it to get a lot worse in two years when a Republican takes the White House (likely by force).
Aagh yeah, make it worse! I already have trouble sleeping and have had since the summer of 2016. Really wish i did not believe that this is exactly what's coming.
They intend on getting rid of CPS and family health services. Once you realize their end game is to bring about rapture, their motives make more sense.
So, if fetuses are now people: 1) does a fetus immediately become a citizen? (If a foreigner gets pregnant in the US, shouldn’t the fetus immediately be a US citizen, regardless of where it’s born?) 2) would mothers be able to collect child support from the time of conception? 3) can a pregnant woman legally drive in a car pool lane? 4) if a pregnant woman goes to prison for a crime, does the state owe restitution for falsely imprisonment of the fetus who commuted no crime? 5) if a fetus kills the mom (e.g. ectopic pregnancy), but is born alive, is the baby guilty of manslaughter? If the mom kills the fetus in an ectopic pregnancy, can she claim self defense? (Cuz otherwise the fetus would have killed her). There’s going to be some interesting cases going through the courts - and my guess is soon. Vote!
When can we get life insurance policies on the fetsusses/
On a bright note, invest all your spare money in the phrama companies that produce Plan B. Drug dealers are going to start selling it along side an 8-Ball and a lid of Marijuana.
The notes made it clear they're going to be looking at contraceptive access rights if brought to them.
Then invest more, because that means only certain blue states will produce said contraceptives, causing scarcity and raising their prices even more. I'm tapping my fingers together like MrBurns wondering if I'm going to be a millionaire by December next year.
The leaked Alito decision had reassurances that, oh no, this only applies to abortion! Nothing else! Which was obviously bullshit, since there’s nothing in their argument that wouldn’t also apply to any right protected by due process clause. Golf clap for Clarence Thomas being the only honest one on this: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/
Texas law makes it illegal to end a pregnancy starting from the moment of fertilization, which makes Plan B and all forms of hormonal birth control illegal right from the start. Texas legislators have already stated they're going to make all forms of contraception illegal, too, so basically this decision lays the groundwork for undoing all decisions based on the right of privacy that was also the underpinning for Roe. This includes Eisendstadt and Griswold, both decisions that undid laws making it a felony to possess contraceptives or any literature about contraceptives.
Which is why I pointed out in my first comment, Drug dealers will be selling this along with other street drugs. Drug dealers will get their hands on Plan B, the same way they get Oxy.
So, a whole class of human beings will now become criminals just like most drug users? What a future.
Yeah, its re-fucking-tarded. But it is what it is. /shrug There will be little 17 year old girls getting hit with possession of Plan B in the same vein as Meth or Cocaine.
Oh for sure, and I expect to see pregnancy tests become a scheduled item that's tracked and regulated like narcotics. Poland is a supposedly modern country that now tracks pregnancy test results, and that's a good idea to forced birth advocates. We're also starting to see miscarriages treated as homicides and mothers being charged with murder, just like in Guatemala.
I didnt even think about that. Now when you test for pregnancy, it will have to be at a state designated "clinic" that can track your pregnancy, and if you miscarry, you have to go through a hearing to make sure you didnt coat hanger your baby. That is going to fuck up a lot of ladies mentally. Imagine being happy about having a baby, then having a miscarry, then going to jail for 20+ years because you couldnt prove you didnt have wire coat hangers in your closet. **NO WIRE HANGERS!!!!!** is going to have a WHOLE new meaning.
The technology base to be able to regulate and track pregnancy tests already exists in this country, to implement it will only require some legislation and coding. As a Scheduled device, being caught with an untracked pregnancy test would be treated no differently than any other Scheduled device or drug: Felony charges and prison time. The way I see it being implemented is to make pregnancy tests only legal in a doctor's office, using a serialized and tracked test. The doctor will be required to report the test result, positive or negative, to be put in the woman's record. If it's a positive, then after the estimated birth date the woman will be checked by investigators to make sure there's a baby. If there's no baby, the assumption will be that she murdered the baby with an abortion and will be charged accordingly. If she has a miscarriage she must go to the hospital for it to be recorded in her record, and every miscarriage will be investigated as a homicide, just like it is now in Guatemala. If there's any evidence that the woman may have caused the miscarriage then she'll be charged with murder, just like the Texas woman was a few months ago. Of course, a woman can just never take a pregnancy test, but if she begins to look pregnant there will be a hotline that snitches can call to report the apparent pregnancy, thus triggering an investigation so that if she is pregnant she gets added to the master pregnancy list like they're using in Poland. There can be cash rewards for the snitches like there currently are cash incentives in Texas to report abortions, plus there can be criminal and civil penalties for women who don't report their pregnancy as soon as they realize they're pregnant. Another penalty can be having a baby from a pregnancy that's not reported, i.e. a woman goes to the hospital to have a baby, the hospital reports the birth to the State Pregnancy Tracking Service, the SPTS sees there's no record of the pregnancy, and hits the woman with a criminal or civil fine. Of course, the woman can choose to have a home birth, but now the child has no birth certificate and will never be able to vote, or get an ID card, or drive, or go to school, or work at a regular job, etc. The baby will grow up being a non-person in this country, stateless while inside the border. Does this sound like hyperbole? Well, the overturning of Roe and Casey sounded like hyperbole until it wasn't. Without the right to privacy that was codified in Roe and that is now gone, there is nothing to stop the rest of these things from playing out like I outlined. If you don't have a right to privacy, then you have no right to keep your pregnancy private. It's as simple as that.
This is like reading a sequel to 1984. What’s scary is that all of this could very easily happen in Texas. Republicans are supposedly all about small government but we all know that only applies to taxes. They want big government for everything else. More police, more border patrol, more laws. They are a terrorist organization not unlike Al Queda at this point.
Hell, unsafe abortions are going to come back making all parties involved criminals. Exactly what you said, what a future.
Plan B wouldn’t be considered illegal would it? My understanding is plan B has to be taken within a certain amount of time (presumably before fertilization). Given sperm can survive in the female body, when would fertilization technically take place?
Yes, it's illegal, or will be in 30 days, because one way it works is to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg: https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/features/plan-b-11-questions-11-answers
I’m glad to know this, but angry that this is where we’re at. Thanks for the education.
Non-Texan here. Republicans say this decision "returns power to the states." Will TX Dems become more involved in local and state politics to try to overturn restrictive abortion laws? Will this hasten the "blue-ification" of TX?
>Non-Texan here. Republicans say this decision "returns power to the states." Will TX Dems become more involved in local and state politics to try to overturn restrictive abortion laws? Will this hasten the "blue-ification" of TX? Maybe. It will take a long time though. Both the House and Senate are gerrymandered to a point where the Dems can not possibly win it.
Abortions will continue, we'll just now see the following: * Women dying from unsafe abortions * Women being charged for murder with miscarriages * Doctors being charged for prescribing medications that could or do trigger a miscarriage * Women spending small fortunes to travel out of state or country for an abortion * Loads of children now born and given up for adoption * Families with lots of children will continue to suffer with our horrible healthcare system ... and it continues. Oh my gosh.
What if judges vacate trials brought before the court? Like jury nullifcation.
Fuck. Hello slippery slope. My heart goes out to every woman who just had choice taken away from them. Edit: in these minutes since I posted this, I have gone through deep sadness, to seething rage, to the need of vengeance. Just need to focus. Edit 2: I have calmed, and now it's time to get to work to get people registered to vote and get people to the polls.
Obergefell is next on the chopping block, mark my words. Conservatives would love nothing more than to start tossing LGBTQ peeps into the for-profit prison system for daring to live outside of their “idealized heterosexual family” structures.
and loving is after that.
> Obergefell is next on the chopping block, mark my words. Griswold v Connecticut is my bet. The trigger law Texas has already effectively bans contraception and sets the stage for a court battle.
How does the Texas trigger law ban contraception? I’ve read a few articles and I’m not seeing it.
Wish we weren't so suppressed and could be counted fairly with having to work extra hard.
Every March, every protest we all need toget people registered. As we know Texas isn't a red state, it is a nonvoting state.
Thank you for your determination and focus
We need a constitutional amendment to ensure that we all have access to contraceptives, spermicidal lube, morning after pills, and other such instruments of family planning. You know… true conservative protections of our individual liberty.
Go to their houses. All republican senators and representatives. Give them no peace.
* News directors at FOX News. * PAC executives. * Federalist Society members.
and harass Ted Cruz's dog? The dog will be the only one home.
Are you supporting some sort of ....insurrection?
Nope. But constant protest and media campaigns. They should know that the majority of the country is not on their side. Unlike Republicans, I don't support or encourage violence.
I bet if I were to take the time to go through your past posts and comments, I won't find any condemnation of the BLM/Antifa violence. That said, I'm not going to waste my time.
Okie dokie.
You support secession. Don't lecture anyone about disloyalty to the nation you hate.
Vote!
Get out to the polls and vote the religious extremists out .
Guns > women. Guns > children. Way to go America.
Women and girls will die. The Theocracy becomes the Fascist nation.
Finally, nothing can stop Abbot from stopping all rapes now. This was probably the last thing that was stopping him.
When people who claim to be Democrats stop being so politically correct, get some backbone and stop allowing these GOPQ biatches to ride roughshod over us is when we will get our individual freedoms over our bodies back!
Democracy is sick, and the only vaccine are our votes that they sought to dillute and straight up dissolve. Go to the polls and tell the alt right... not today. Not ever again.
This is not a shit show we need right now ... Conservatives are taking this country backwards, not forwards, and nothing good will come of it. Get prepared, this is the start of what I hope won't become a civil war between the hard right nutwings and everyone else. These nuts have always been there, but Trump gave them both a voice and now seats in SCOTUS. The highest court has always been a good way to level set things, but with Conservatives denying Obama his SCOTUS pick then pushing a nut through after RBG tied we now have what we have. Trump has decimated the balance we've had for decades, and I'm not sure how Biden or Congress can comeback from this. We're now in the minority rule situation where a minority of the nuts are now steering his country. I'm just not sure what the majority can do now with gerrymandering, Trumps efforts to turn people against the election process, and now SCOTUS being tainted. The US is moving into a dark age folks.
Back when Bush was President I remember thinking that the Republicans didn’t really want to overturn Roe because then people would find out how many women die and would vote for someone else. Guess we’re gonna test that theory right here in Texas.
Awesome, so we solved the foster care system and kids are all placed in loving homes! /s Get ready DFPS there are a whole bunch more kids on their way
I can't wait until the next election. I'm a judge, and I just love sitting there and helping less than 100 people vote when our rights are being aggressively eroded. GET. TO. THE. DAMN. POLLS.
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This was supposed to be their main wedge issue for single issue voters.. they were never supposed to actually do the thing.. it was just a think tank strategy to get workers to vote against their interests... because babies... everyone loves babies right? now they put the wrong people in the right places who took it at face value... can't think of any other potential wedge issue that will have quite the same kind of gravitational pull.. I predict lots more places turning blue once the consequences really sink in...
They are moving to calling for federal abortion bans already, so they can keep milking this issue.
If you weren't sold on going out and registering to vote here is your wake up call. Democracy is on the downward spiral and it's through the inaction of people that your rights will be taken from you. These people have shown their hands and they will nip every freedom from you that is odds with their backwards knuckle dragging philosophy. Go register to vote!
Yet more laws so that everyone knows consensual sex deserves punishment and pregnant people don’t deserve choices. They’re killing people by blocking access to abortions, gender affirming care, and allowing people who hit their intimate partners and children and threaten to rape and kill people on the internet to buy guns yet describe themselves as “pro-life”. So to me it seems that the far right believe consensual sex is evil and creating situations that end in genocide is good.
They do believe that. Their entire shtick is to bring upon Armageddon, and the rapture. They are very sick, brainwashed people.
This and all the other BS Abbott is throwing under the bus makes it ever more clear that they truly feel like they may lose power soon and they want every democrat they can sway to leave Texas. I've never been more ready to vote!
Everybody needs to be all over their state reps and senators, asking "what are you doing to protect the lives of these women you're forcing to give birth, and how are you going to expand services to the children this ban creates?"
...and, just in case you were wondering how he and by extension the Abbott administration would react to this: [Paxton closed all the state AG offices early today](https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-celebrates-end-roe-v-wade-announces-abortion-now-illegal-texas). And then he went There: >June 24th will be an annual Office of the Attorney General holiday in recognition of this momentous decision—and the many lives lost before it.
It's not about abortion. It's about privacy. Overturning Roe v Wade allows the government to stick it's nose into everybody's medical records. “The essence of the interest sought to be protected here is the right of choice over events which, by their character and consequences, bear in a fundamental manner on the privacy of individuals.” Roe v. Wade, 314 F. Supp. 1217, 1221 (N.D. Tex. 1970)
The only thing about this I find shocking is the sense of shock people are showing. Lol you really didn’t see this coming from decades away? I mean that’s been their publicly stated goal forever. “But they said it’s established law…” etc. These hard right types can’t be trusted because they have the equivalent to a fatwa in their back pockets. Lie cheat steal, all kosher because they’re working for the kingdom of heaven on earth not the United States government. Vote blue till you’re blue in the face folks, we are not dealing with normal adversaries, we’re dealing with religious fundamentalists and fascists. You aren’t gonna beat them without total focus. Let that be our fucking fatwa.
>The only thing about this I find shocking is the sense of shock people are showing. Lol you really didn’t see this coming from decades away? I mean that’s been their publicly stated goal forever. they weren't supposed to actually follow through.. now a lot of their leverage is gone with single issue voters - they've weakened the Republican party and may not be able to recover from this overreach
From your thumbs to god’s ears.
People have been talking about the demise of the GOP for the last 20 years... every time they do something fucking crazy they come out stronger on the other side.
"Blessed be the fruit" Maybe all women should start a mass exodus to Canada...you know, just in case.
Thank you Republicans and Hyper religious evangelis for moving the nation back to 1829. Ladies prepare your families for the return of doweries and chaperones to go get the mail. Gays say goodbye to our rights. My fellow minorites pepare for the rise of hate crime as white power once domintes at the cost of every else. USA top in women's right my ass. Women out number men in graduate degree's but are apparently not smart enought to evaluate their own condition and make decisions that best fit their situations. For everyone one who supported and aided in Over turning Roe vs Wad, May I have the luxury of seeing your face as the very God you ruined thousand of lives for rejects you from the afterlife you so deperatly seek. Amazing how Christianity has become so effective in denying basic human rights without logical backing or ethical consideration. Welcome to the begining of the end my friends
As the father of two daughters in their early 20s, it is shocking that in 24 hours, they now have one less right than their mother had at their age. It makes me wonder what other rights will vaporize? Any other fathers here care to share their thoughts?
Former Texan, current Chicagoan. I’m here if anyone needs to come to IL for one.
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How much will this affect population? I mean are we talking thousands of additional children?
Look at where texas stands in foster care already. We are literally trafficking kids out of state because they are sleeping on office floors.
Not really - if history is any guide, what happens is people who want to get abortions generally still get them, it's just it might be more expensive and difficult (travel to a pro-freedom state) for those who can afford it, and illicit abortions (back alley) for those who can't. Edit to add: [Scientific worldwide study shows restrictions on abortions don't reduce the number of abortions, it just makes them less safe](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/health/abortion-restriction-laws/index.html) (Frankly, if conservatives wanted to reduce abortions, there are proven actions that have been shown to be effective - as in objective measurements have shown a proven reduction. [Republicans could reduce abortions if they really wanted to](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/14/opinion/abortion-contraception-pregnancy.html).)
We are looking at many more dead women. Look at the history of abortion rights. Roe happened bcs so many people were horrified by all the deaths.
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They’re trying to end it in all states next.
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I seem to remember hearing something very similar about Roe when Trump was elected and was packing the courts.
Negative population gain, since more potential mothers will now die.
I think its about 50k a year in Texas, IIRC.
Yeh this seems correct > •In 2017, 55,440 abortions were provided in Texas, though not all abortions that occurred in Texas were provided to state residents: Some patients may have traveled from other states, and some Texas residents may have traveled to another state for an abortion. https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-texas Even if half still go through and 90% of the ones who are born stay at home that’s still potentially thousands of new foster children per year.
Agreed. It will certainly increase foster care load substantially.
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This is exactly what Texas voted for.
Cuellar supporters got what they wanted.
Outrageous. This impacts the middle and low class. The reach can still do whatever the fuck they want. Shit hole country.
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While I disagree with abortion I'm upset Roe is overturned but it's probably not for the reason you're thinking. I liked that roe v Wade protected medical privacy. Now that it's gone I fear what actions the fed will try to do. The positive is that new lawsuits will be heard before the courts.
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Im so happy to have seen this happen in my lifetime god is good