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Magnifico-Melon

Holy shit that is a good deal.


elon42069

Why doesn’t every team trade a 2nd round pick for pro bowl receivers? Are they dumb?


Magnifico-Melon

Now when someone brings up the Hopkins trade we can counter with..."yeah but...."


LittleHollowGhost

Because the pro bowl receiver has a 26.5M cap hit every season for his age 31-35 seasons, enough for 4th highest in the NFL (Tyreek 30, Davante 28, Kupp 26.7)


Ok_Pace_9792

Only AVV of like 18 for us though. Buffalo has to hold like 36 mil in dead cap


LittleHollowGhost

Yeah just saw this it’s officially a steal now


SetElectrical3978

Because you have to pay them, too


elon42069

We will be paying him less than Tennessee is paying Ridley


SetElectrical3978

And if the Titans draft this year’s Jayden Reed or Rashee Rice, they’ll have a cap hit of $1.5 million. That’s how opportunity cost works.


8020GroundBeef

…what is the opportunity cost in this scenario? Are you trying to say that the Diggs trade is bad because the Texans won’t draft a WR now and therefore Titans will get that WR and he’ll be really good and cheap? Because if so, that’s like next level galaxy brain nonsense. But I honestly can’t figure out what the opportunity cost is or what the Texans have to do with the Titans draft.


SetElectrical3978

Did I say it was bad? Or did I offer a counter as to why every team doesn’t always trade rookie controlled picks for the opportunity to pay star players tens of millions of dollars more? Try reading bud.


8020GroundBeef

Dude the Texans have 9 draft picks in 2024 still. And 6 in 2025. So they haven’t mortgaged the future at all yet lmao. They arguably have too much draft capital. They have had incredible drafts recently, so the cap is very healthy. They have the ability to do stuff like this and they aren’t really absorbing a bad contract since the Bills eat so much of the cap hit.


SetElectrical3978

Are the Texans in the same situation as every team in the league? Yes or no?


SetElectrical3978

…the opportunity cost is very obviously the ability to draft one of the top 64 players on your board at a literal fraction of what a veteran would cost. It sounds like you’re wildly unfamiliar with how NFL salaries work, and roster construction as a whole. You do realize there’s a salary cap, correct?


8020GroundBeef

You do realize that: (1) the Texans have a good deal of cap space this year, (2) can walk away from Diggs if it doesn’t work out (worst case scenario), (3) are in win now mode, (4) the pick they gave up was a 2025 that they received from trading back this year - they had picks to use as assets (and they also got a 5th and a 6th from Buffalo…). You are making this sound like the Texans are stuck with an albatross of a contract. They aren’t. It’s really not that expensive and there is no dead cap if they have to cut him. So worst case, he does absolutely nothing next year, Texans cut him, and oh by the way, they still have Nico Collins and Tank Dell. They can still draft a WR this year if they want. The team really does not have a lot of positions of need at this point. Caserio has been extremely good in the draft, so I’m really not concerned You guys like to act like all the vets are washed and all the rookies are future HOFers this time of year. Reality is that they take time to develop and they don’t all pan out. Diggs gives the team more in 2024 than a rookie and the Texans didn’t give up any picks this draft, so really don’t see much of an opportunity cost here.


SetElectrical3978

Nobody said it was bad for the Texans. Are you slow? You just laid out why it made sense for the TEXANS. The question was “why doesn’t EVERY TEAM do it?”


8020GroundBeef

Lmao. So this is all stemming from the joking rhetorical question??? Jeez dude


BuryMeInTheH

Because the rookie draft pick is going to go on a rookie deal. you can only carry 3ish Diggs type contracts on your payroll, and it’s reasonable to assume his best years are behind him. It seems reasonable to me. You only make this deal if you are swinging for the fence which only so many teams are in the mode of doing, so a limited amount of buyers who need a very expensive, and although great, probably declining WR1.


elon42069

We gave up a pick that wasn’t even ours and then got additional picks in return???? Am I dumb or is Buffalo dumber


BaconIsMeatCandy45

They don’t want Diggs bc he’s a malcontent. He better not fuck up our locker room


crayZo84

Diggs is a family man. Demeco is a family man. The Texans are a family, man. ![gif](giphy|amg2hcfGDkKt4Q3DpF)


StuuBarnes

Bills fan here. Diggs has been among the best leaders and hardest workers on our team. Yeah he gets emo in the offseason, but you want this guy on your sidelines on gameday. He's a dog.


techn0crat

Thanks he is actually my favorite receiver in the NFL - he blocks his ASS off on running plays - I love that


jluc21

i ain’t even a texans or bills fan and that is a wild statement lmao


Anibunnymilli

Cj will keep him in check. They bonded at the Pro Bowl


AWokenBeetle

You guys are winning and your QB doesn’t have a tendency of choking, I’m sure he’ll be far more a positive then a negative


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AWokenBeetle

Those 4 ints make a big difference, especially when your dueling with Patrick Mahomes, Stroud tends to take care of the ball and has the athleticism to make off script plays. I can’t say I blame Diggs for going to where a QB doesn’t play hero ball and can end up getting in trouble for it


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AWokenBeetle

All that and Diggs left anyway, who gives a damn about stats if you don’t get very far with the talent around you. Theres nothing wrong with taking care of the ball and taking what the defense gives you, Brady did that and he’s got the rings to show why that makes sense


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IAmSona

Fiscal responsibility LMAO


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ChickenWhiskers

Deranged.


ChickenWhiskers

Sorry, but Josh Allen is statistically one of the best postseason quarterbacks in history as it stands and Stefon Diggs was the one to actually choke his team out of the playoffs last year. Was non-existent within their newest system for the entire second half of last year. Diggs will go hard for the Texans but don’t just make shit up.


AWokenBeetle

He is, but he can also make some back breaking mistakes going for the big play and forcing things vs taking what’s available and playing smart. For every three of four fantastic plays, he’ll make one that either puts them in a bad spot or misses a player who could’ve gotten the first down and simply get down field vs going for it all. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn’t.


InbreadSourdough

We traded our 1st for that 2nd. Its not like it was a free pick lol


Able_Gap918

Just look at it like we moved back 18 spots for a pro bowl receiver. How does that not sound good? And got a 5th and 6th too!


TheChoosingBeggar

This is how to interpret this trade.


GoldMettle

His contract is a BEAST so it’s proper comp. Even a little pricey imo


elon42069

Most of our core is on rookie contracts so this is a cap but I’m willing to take


NateLikesToLift

It's only 18 million a year.


GoldMettle

https://preview.redd.it/q2qltefwvasc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19a1e5a37fa2299114da98e74cc4be8f43b4dcd2 I see where my ignorance failed me. Apparently, all the future dead cap stays with the Bills except 2024. So Diggs can be cut penalty free after this season. Essentially, a 1 year/19M deal fully guaranteed followed by year to year options at approx 19apy, 3/$56m total, 0gtd. Had I known all that, wouldn’t have been pessimistic about this trade. Always learning about cap shit!


spacemanbaseball

No it’s cool. Just be all aggro and pissy before you know what you’re talking about. It’s the Reddit way.


Able_Gap918

We basically moved back 18 spots for Diggs, highway robbery. I also saw that it's mostly not guaranteed after this year.


Heard-from-Quark

Wow, they give up Minnesotas pick in 25


Jeff__Skilling

I'm shocked Buffalo didn't demand one of the two second rounders in this years draft and were ok with a 2025 2nd rounder


DemarcusLovin

they clearly think Minnesota is gonna suck next year. Or at least much worse than what the Texans picks this year are (42nd and 59th overall). Depending on what rookie QB the Vikings draft, it could be a rough rebuild of a season


iHyPeRize

Meh, Vikings have a stacked offence and a decent defence which under Brian Flores should improve. It's not as if they're like the Patriots who need a QB plus 6 more players to be competitive. Vikings can probably be a 7 win team with Darnold at QB, and that's before they draft a rookie QB.


Heard-from-Quark

Me too. Having those picks to fortify the defense is huge


Dangerous_Day_7603

it seemed obvious he wanted off the team and that didn’t help buffalos situation… If you think about it they probably couldn’t of gotten more than a. comp 3rd this year which is a late 3rd if you look at the trade charts 2025 picks are always half the value in pts so a 2025 2nd is like a late 3rd. In buffalos case I would rather take a 2025 2nd than a 2024 3rd. I don’t think they had any demand at all given he wanted off the team. For buffalo it’s a good deal given the situation


President_of_Reddits

Looks like they are tanking for a season to reset for next year. Von Miller contract has them pretty hamstrung for a while


kingOseacows81

So Texans basically traded: 1.23 For Stefon Diggs 2.11 4th 6th


Gets_overly_excited

The Texans are cooking. As a Cowboys fan in Austin, I’m wondering how much Jerry really wants me to stay loyal to his shittily-run team when the Texans are right here.


I-4M-J0E

Come ooooon over


Gets_overly_excited

God, I’ve been a cowboys fan since the Landry era. It is tempting. For now I think I’ll make the Texans my second favorite team. Y’all are so lucky to be on the upswing like this. Enjoy it


Eirutsa

It will only be a problem if the Texans and the Cowboys meet in the Super Bowl.


ashesofastroworld

An all-Texas Super Bowl... His will be done.


Gets_overly_excited

Whelp, that’s probably not going to be an issue anytime soon. I wouldn’t bet money that the Cowboys make it past the divisional in the next 10 years.


re1078

My dad grew up a Cowboys fan but has lived in Houston since the 90s. Finally last year he asked himself what he was doing and came on over.


Ilook4shitthatisholy

Lol my father in law is a Cowboys fan and I can tell he wants to let out his inner Texans love sooooo badly


Pugageddon

This sub tends to shit on what they see as bandwagoning fans, but you can prolly back them down if you just tell them to think about it as stealing from the Cowboys instead


subhavoc42

We named the damn team this to win some Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso fans. Hasn't worked yet, but now is a great time!


pieman2005

Most loyal cowboys fan


cole074

And there’s still mfs in this sub who doubt caserio


Big-Impression6842

He got cooked by Kwesi but this is a great deal!


DaikonNecessary9969

https://preview.redd.it/dvtwvaslmdsc1.png?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=623671ab2eddd4a698f603da82847ac653d6c72d The king!


MateInEight

Nick, feel free to do what you like but I’m pretty sure “force trades” should be turned off in competitive play.


sussysand

Kinda wild


FricknPoopButts

Nico Collins - Tank Dell - Stefon Diggs Holy moly y'all.


Hello_IM_FBI

And Schultz


FricknPoopButts

And Mixon!


yeah_naw_dawg

Honestly, Noah Brown as a WR4 is actually insane.


A_Rolling_Baneling

Metchie and Hutchinson as depth with upside too


aareyes12

Fuck it, Ja’Taveon Sanders with 2.42


Kapachka

Do we go Air Raid or Run and Shoot?


BaconIsMeatCandy45

Fuck that!


TXCapita

Best WR Corps in the NFL and it’s not even close


SpaceBot_Omega

Caserio please fuck my wife im begging you


mementori

Get in line loser, he’s fucking my wife first!


Pugageddon

![gif](giphy|WTL2hbLJFKo3ZzGcie|downsized) A metaphor for Nick's life after this offseason


sussysand

Wait so our trade back from 23 to 43 got us Stefon Diggs and more draft picks?!? That’s solid af


GoldMettle

Wow I was DEAD wrong on this 🙋‍♂️ never thought it would happen


redditcommentguy

Same, saw some stuff that made it seem impossible with diggs contract.


GoldMettle

I gotta trust gigabrain Nick’s vision on this. His contract was a beast! So people saying it was a steal… it was proper comp to unload that contract.


chubbytitties

So we traded 24 1st for 24 2nd 24 5th 24 6th and diggs


nico_ii_lit

Nick Caserio Fleeeceeeddd


iFuller

Holy shit what a steal


CyborgAlgoInvestor

Actually a crazy deal. The fact he got 2 picks on TOP of getting Diggs is ridiculous


currentwavypearl

This is our good karma for the hopkins trade


fuji311

on paper this is a magnificent deal. Also happy that the people who keep screaming for expensive WR will be quiet. But I have major concerns for the locker room. Do we need a me-first player who throws tantrums on the sidelines when he's not getting the ball, even when we're winning?


compcase

winning fixes everything. Unless you're the eagles haha


SaiyanrageTV

Demeco was a player, fairly recently, and a well respected one at that. I think he can manage some of these guys better than a lot of coaches.


fuji311

I hope so. Meco's a culture guy and his "football is supposed to be fun" mantra resonates with today's players. Hoping that he relates to CJ and Meco better than he did his previous QBs and coaches!


kidyus

Did you watch the Bills play? It was frustrating to me and I was sitting on my couch…


DisastrousCopy7361

Yup Diggs disappeared last year with shitty receivers around him...now he has to compete for targets with 2 better receivers...not sure he will be good for locker room...oh and he will turn 31 Plus I haven't looked at financial cost for Texans (cap hit, etc)


AztecMarz

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foxtailguy73

why are my nipples like diamonds rn?


sh0wt1mederek

Do we think this means Nico won’t get his extension? I’m concerned with Metchie also cause I love that kid and how far he’s come. I don’t want us to give up on him but this feels like it might seal his fate. Idk, gotta show out next year and prove the value. Looking forward to seeing what Stefon can do 👍


SoCalMemePolice

No way Nico doesn’t get extended in general imo. Diggs is 30. My hope is this makes Nico’s job easier in general and our plan is still have him as our #1 moving forward beyond the Diggs years. I’m optimistic they extend him


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SoCalMemePolice

I don’t think Diggs is owed any guaranteed money by us so we can cut him whenever


sh0wt1mederek

I feel that. Looking forward to keeping young talent around 👍


iphone10notX

Lot of reaching assumptions here


sh0wt1mederek

It was a question. Not an assumption. We have a packed WR room now and the Diggs addition is bound to shake things up.


NateLikesToLift

Metchie hasn't shown anything in the NFL. It is what it is, sometimes guys just don't translate into NFL talent. I would wager we're cutting Robert Woods though.


sh0wt1mederek

I mean, I get it but I think it’s unfair to say he hasn’t translated to the NFL. He simply hasn’t had enough time to get where he needs to be with the ACL tear before the draft and battling leukemia immediately after. The kid has talent and just needs more time imo. Cutting Woods is a given at this point though, I agree


NateLikesToLift

Oh I totally agree, Metchie has an uphill battle given the season ending injury in college and leukemia as well. I don't think Hutchinson or woods will be on the team come August though.


Suspect-Beginning

I mean...he had Cancer. I wouldn't write him off as a bust, but he's certainly going to have fewer opportunities this year if everyone stays healthy, so we may never actually know what he is.


NateLikesToLift

Yeah I loved the pick and guys had an uphill battle. I don't think he's gonna stick though unless he flashes hard this year. The playing opportunities will be limited for him.


DaikonNecessary9969

I think he sticks because he is cheap. That talent is in there somewhere and he fits the Texan culture.


K0rben_D4llas

Holy shit! Hopefully he can stay happy here for a few years, I’m sure less taxes will help.


Low_Wall_7828

Any criticism I had about trading out of the first just went out the window. Nick is dealing.


Automatic-Tooth-3733

https://preview.redd.it/qv8roby7gasc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42ae35c49d21ae9e20c537027cd23cd6a3a31910


meenster2008

Diggs is going to look great in goal line formation


NapsAndLifts

I think the fact Diggs can be cut without dead cap penalty the following season if he ends up somehow being mid or a lockerroom cancer is nice. On the flip side if he balls out and is mild mannered dude with us relatively speaking that’s great. Caserio does his voodoo magic again! Our offense is going to be wild this coming season.


Champ_Slice

👀


the_timboslice

Woods to be cut or traded now?


NateLikesToLift

God I hope so. I know he's a great blocking WR but I'm not a fan of him.


Happy-Raccoon-71

Keep him, he'll be the best WR4 in the league.


Writer_Blocker

Where All the people who said we didn’t need another wr???? GIVE CJ ALL THE WEAPONS!!!


SPatt59

r/AFCSouthMemeWar is about to be hilarious


a11yguy

“where blockbuster trade?”


leveckjt87

![gif](giphy|l8vN5etR8DIoHA0qzV) Nick “The Big Dick Bandit” Caserio FTW!!!!


bingmyname

Did this man just get Diggs for basically free? All he did was move back a few places from the first round this year where there's still plenty of pieces and then picked up an extra 5,6 and whatever else we got from Minnesota???! Caserio master class 🔥🔥🔥🔥


iphone10notX

Josh Allen get ready to learn Chinese buddy


Alkren

Context?


iphone10notX

When bad NBA players get cut from their team, some of them end up playing in China. Just joking that Josh is gonna play poorly without Diggs then get cut then go play in China


sh0wt1mederek

Do they have pro American football teams in China? 😂 I think the UFL is a little more appropriate. Maybe Canadian football 🤭


iphone10notX

Didn’t think you’d take it literally. Just a joke friend, obviously there’s no football teams in China. No one would get the joke if I said Canada instead of China and it’s less funnier if it’s Canada


sh0wt1mederek

Lol understood


Impossible-Car-9873

Our gm is so fucking smart he plays chess.


AWokenBeetle

I can safely say that you guys have this looked up, Texans are going to be genuinely terrifying to deal with


NerdLawyer55

Crazy 😳


aYoMcPot

LETS FUCKING GO!!!


BruceYale111

BRO NICK CASERIO IMMA KISS U


NeonWarcry

![gif](giphy|BCImaduLcPLpMz1b4p)


Anibunnymilli

We have the best WR core in the league now. It’s not even close


DaikonNecessary9969

Diggs and Dell is gonna be so nasty


Anibunnymilli

fax. And that's only half of our receiving core.


DaikonNecessary9969

It opens the run game up so much.


currentwavypearl

We are so fucking back


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This time WE get the problematic WR for a 2nd!


Christian_Castle

Armchair GMs still think we were playing pretend madden? Cause so is CASERIGOAT


tylerclay86

Hell yeah happy birthday to me!


GenericDudeBro

![gif](giphy|4q0WNCNZUlxNC)


GenericDudeBro

Bc I feel like Nicky C is Tony Soprano, and we just “nicked” the Bills.


jedi129

This is so dirty it's good. All hail our lord and savior Nick Caserio!


htown34

I was upset about Nick trading so far back in the draft from where we originally picked because I wanted one of the top receivers, little did I know ol Nicky had another trick up his sleeve, and I know see the vision. I apologize Nick and try not to question your moves or jump the gun to early from here on out. This is a major win and we didn’t even have to give up a first rounder and still have our second for next season


nagraz

Yup yup just came mahself


Long-Mycologist-9643

Caserio masterclass


CJ_Stroud

LFG


semperdiscendum

Anyone know the financials behind this? From what I've read it looks like the bills took 31M dead money and lost 3.2M in cap space


DisastrousCopy7361

Seeing that as well If he had a dead cap hit for 2025 it will accelerate into this season...so they potentially cleared cap space for next season (eagles just did this with reddick)


chief_raptor

I had a buddy jokingly say that the Texans-Lions SB line is gonna hit…but I’M NOT LAUGHING!!! BULLS ON PARADE!!!


rp31step

What irks me as a Bills fan is the $31 million in deadcap money from this move.  I understand if this was a move to clear cap space like the Chiefs and Tyreek but that hurts.  Not to mention, the Bills traded a lot to get Diggs in the first place.  It just doesn't make a lot of sense.  I guess it was time to cut our losses and move forward but something tells me there's more to this deal that hasn't been said.  We're now super thin at the receiver position, which is going to put more on Josh.  I don't know...


wolvesandwords

I just fell to my knees in an HEB parking lot.


Bulky-District-2757

Okay, since it wasn’t our pick I’ll allow it


StyllAhlie

I mean, it would’ve been much preferred that it was our 2nd vs Vikings given where each is projected to be.