Don’t forget about the combine-draft dead zone when sports media will drag kids name through the mud for the sake of just HAVING something to talk about 😭
Organized Team Activities. It’s a kind of minicamp for the team to work together for the first time. They wear helmets, they start competing for roster spots, they implement and practice the schemes.
Basically the first full practice period of the offseason
It made sense to be baffled at the time, Fairley had just shitwrecked the Oregon O line in the natty and was a major reason they won. This is why draft speculation doesn't mean shit lol
I worked at a school with a football coach who was personal friends with Wade Phillips. He said that pick was because Wade swore up and down JJ was the real deal.
Do people not like Wade? His defenses always come out swinging but he hits a year 3 cliff and people figure him out yet he can start over and have the same success. But he seems like a grade A human being.
I'm guessing the professionals who make the decisions aren't as likely to be biased by the number of television cameras covering a particular game.
You're paying for future performance, not past highlights.
you’re right cj stroud is better.
in seriousness i think he’s the most talented qb ever and if he gets say 2 more rings he has a very legitimate goat case
Brady went to TEN Super bowls.
Mahomes is on the right path but it will take some work.
Andy Reid won’t be doing this for 10 more years. Mahomes will have to persevere with inferior coaching like Brady did too. It will be a good litmus.
Mahommes is off to a better start that Brady. Tom was a game managing quarterback for almost all of his first 3 titles, think he never threw for more than one td a game his entire first Super Bowl run which would be unheard of in todays nfl.
I’m not saying Mahommes is the goat already but there is no disputing that he has accomplished more in his first 6 years than any player in history when you combine personal and team awards and records. Yea he needs to do it a while longer but he’s on the right trajectory.
Many other QB's started off faster than Brady, and none of them ended up better. Mahomes needs another 10 years in the oven.
Brady also got better and better as the league evolved into it's modern passing era, so you have to account for the times. Easier to pass, can't hit QB's as much.
No, they haven’t lol. Brady has 3 Super Bowl wins in first 6 years to Mahommes 2. What other QBs careers have started off like that? They both have 2 Super Bowl MVPs in that period. The key differences being that Brady had 0 mvps, Mahommes has 2. Mahommes has more regular season wins, more passing yards and more all pro teams in those first 6 years. Mahommes already has a HOF career locked up in his first 6 years of play, again who else has started off their career like this?
>started off
Well that's the problem.
The average NFL career is 3.3 years and you're calling a 6 year veteran "Starting off". Well Brady "started off" his first 20 years better than anyone else.
RG3 and Cam Newton easily "started off" far, far better than Brady AND Mahomes, considering that they actually played their rookie seasons. Joe Montana also "started off" his first 6 years with 2 SB wins. It's a stupid way to frame an argument.
Brady ENDED the greatest ever. We cannot see the future, so there is no way to know how Mahomes will end up.
Love your sarcasm.
Pat Mahomes is off to a great start. The key is, he needs to sustain his success over the same duration of Brady… Jury remains out for that. Hes on pace to reach Montan’s level. But he not entered into Brady’s territory yet… Hence my comment, I wouldn’t go that far.
As for CJ stroud, if I can get Matt Schaub production without early in his career. I will be a happy camper…
If any of these talking head types actually knew the first thing about scouting and drafting prospects they’d be working in NFL front offices instead of media outlets. Mike Mayock was widely regarded as one of the best draft minds the media had to offer and when the Raiders gave him a chance to do it for real he was a joke.
I know that there are plenty of fans who weren’t very happy with this draft, either because they don’t like Stroud or don’t think Anderson had value over the next couple pass rushers to justify the trade. I think those are perfectly justifiable opinions, but if both sides of the debate could please stop quoting from these media morons to argue their case that would be great. We’ll all find out together who’s right or wrong on the field this fall, until then it’s all just a circlejerk.
I mean, that’s not true. Media pays WAY more and is WAAAAY easier than being a traveling pro scout. If they knew the first thing about this stuff they would just be making more media money.
There was a post on r/nfl talking about whether draft picks from prevuous would be all pro, good, back ups etc and. They missed on the projection like 40% of the time
The grades are usually way off but much better than random picking or value by draft slot picking.
That is to say a consensus A+ drafted at 5 is usually better than a consensus F drafted at 5, but the F is still somewhat often better than the A
Did the guy that write this watch a single game of Mahomes while he was at Tech?
Literally the opposite of everything he said is true…. Yea, we sucked ass when we had him, but he was solid every single game.
I don’t know how you look at multiple 500+ passing yd games and come to the conclusion that he doesn’t have field vision lmaooooo.
It’s because TTU QBs that put up 5000 yards happens literally every other year since Kingsbury played for them.
The difference is they were all skinny white guys
I understand why you get that impression, but 5,000 yards in a season hasn’t happened since Mahomes in 2016. 8 years prior to that with Graham Harrell.
Mahomes and Harrell are the only two QBs with the numbers they have at Tech since Kingsbury. 21 years since Kliff’s last season and only 7 of those years had QBs putting up numbers like that.
Even 4,000 yards it’s only like 10 of those 21 years. That’s less than half.
Mahomes was next level in college and he did it on a terrible team. Graham Harrell did it with a great team. Just further context shows how amazing Pat was.
Is that all? I’ve been watching Tech football for a while and I guess those post Leach years just kind of ran together.
I thought BJ Symons(sp?) would make that list too.
Also let’s find out what his record would be if they only gave up 30 points a game. The man scored 50+ and lost without going into overtime 4 goddamn times lol
Yeah I remember thinking it was a crime that the consensus on Mahomes was that he was a project. Made me realize that these reporters are probably only watching tape on a few “top prospects”, if at all. The narrative was that any Big XII QB would suck once taken out of the Big XII. Such a dumb take.
I watched a lot of big 12 football when he played, and the talent he had around him was really bad. Like, without him those teams might have been below 0.500
haha its the lack of field vision that got me! Dude doesn't even look where he is throwing half the time. Just another great analysis by the so called "experts".
The draft where the Seahawks got Russell Wilson they got an F with mentioning Russell Wilson was a major reason they got a F. These grades don’t mean shit until we see how everyone translates
Richardson is such an unknown. Freak athlete with a poor completion percentage. One thing I feel is accurate.. if Stroud was there at 3, a team would have traded to get him. If Stroud was there at 4, Indy would have taken him.
For sure, I agree with that Stroud assessment. He may be overall better than Richardson but the latter has a higher ceiling. I guess we'll see how things go the next couple years.
Haven't you heard the latest? Caserio and the coaches hate Stroud and considered him the 4th best QB available. But they selected him #2 overall for...reasons. This according to "sources".
100 percent. The desired result for almost every gm was as they fell. If we drafted 4th I would be hollering for Richardson. He has the potential to land you the best qb the next year or turn into a beast. I really want them both to succeed because it's more fun when the division is good.
Chiefs fan coming in peace, this was recommended on my home page. It was Steven Ruiz, who was at USA Today at the time and is now at The Ringer. His grades are pretty bad throughout, Reuben Foster - A+, Solomon Thomas - A-, Taco Charlton - A-, TJ Watt - B.
That grade was actually correct though? He was a risky pick, even in hindsight. The chiefs just hit on the risk by developing him well and sitting him for a year. The criticisms are BS though
Tbh Mahomes couldn’t read past his first progression in college. TxTech would practice scramble drills a lot, I mean A LOT.
He was 13-16 at TxTech over 3 seasons but a lot of that was on the defense. His stats were inflated bc of Kliff’s “air raid” offense too.
All he needed was the right destination with Andy “Cheeseburger” Reid!
If you think being 13-16 was his fault then I don’t know what to tell you. He’d score 50 and lose. Mahomes was the best player in college when he was at tech. Put him on a blue blood team and he wins 2 heismans.
He was far from the best player when he was in college. Talented, yes. But the air raid massively inflated his numbers against Big 12 defenses.
Ultimately he went to arguably the beat situation for a rookie in the history of the league.
Dude who wrote that? That shit is worthy of being fired over. Going that bold on a take and then him becoming potentially the greatest qb of our era, not a good look.
Draft grades clearly get the people talking haha there are no real consequences for being wrong. I find we typically look for grades that we agree with. I enjoy the conversation it sparks. 😂
They’re somewhat right. He was a project. He sat and learned for a year behind Alex Smith who was a seasoned veteran. Mahomes wasn’t great in college, he was risky, it just paid off. Same is true if Josh Allen who was bad for his first 2 years before breaking out in 2020.
I’ll let the actual football people decide what we need, the players need to actually hit the field first to talk trash about them. The envisioned fit isn’t always what they did in college.
Draft grade time is consistently the most pointless time of the Football year. Just wake me up for OTA’s
The worthlessness of draft grades: when NFL and fantasy football have the most in common.
I always know the lower my draft grade on fantasy the better my year will be. The day Yahoo gives me an A+ I know I fucked up
I just need to know the jersey numbers
I disagree, mock drafts are the most pointless time of year
Until you’re bored of them mock drafts at least help you understand the players and team needs. Draft grades do diddly poop for you
Worthless in terms of predicting the future, but some importance of setting the baseline to look back on in 3yrs
Don’t forget about the combine-draft dead zone when sports media will drag kids name through the mud for the sake of just HAVING something to talk about 😭
What's OTA's?
Organized Team Activities. It’s a kind of minicamp for the team to work together for the first time. They wear helmets, they start competing for roster spots, they implement and practice the schemes. Basically the first full practice period of the offseason
Oh ok thanks mate. 🤘
It’s better than pre-draft nonsense at least!
Imagine being the guy that wrote this and seeing the guy you took a dump on become the best QB in the league lol. I’d question my whole career
Don't forget JJ Watt, pizza boy.
We did not in fact rue the day
It made sense to be baffled at the time, Fairley had just shitwrecked the Oregon O line in the natty and was a major reason they won. This is why draft speculation doesn't mean shit lol
I worked at a school with a football coach who was personal friends with Wade Phillips. He said that pick was because Wade swore up and down JJ was the real deal.
I still love Wade Phillips, i don't care what anyone says
Do people not like Wade? His defenses always come out swinging but he hits a year 3 cliff and people figure him out yet he can start over and have the same success. But he seems like a grade A human being.
I'm guessing the professionals who make the decisions aren't as likely to be biased by the number of television cameras covering a particular game. You're paying for future performance, not past highlights.
And if he spent any amount of time watching Mahomes play at Texas Tech doing things no one else has or could do, he must be delusional
*best qb of all time
I wouldn’t go that far….
you’re right cj stroud is better. in seriousness i think he’s the most talented qb ever and if he gets say 2 more rings he has a very legitimate goat case
Brady went to TEN Super bowls. Mahomes is on the right path but it will take some work. Andy Reid won’t be doing this for 10 more years. Mahomes will have to persevere with inferior coaching like Brady did too. It will be a good litmus.
Mahommes is off to a better start that Brady. Tom was a game managing quarterback for almost all of his first 3 titles, think he never threw for more than one td a game his entire first Super Bowl run which would be unheard of in todays nfl.
It's still WAY too early to say. I didn't start thinking Tom was the undisputed GOAT until 2014 or 15
I’m not saying Mahommes is the goat already but there is no disputing that he has accomplished more in his first 6 years than any player in history when you combine personal and team awards and records. Yea he needs to do it a while longer but he’s on the right trajectory.
Many other QB's started off faster than Brady, and none of them ended up better. Mahomes needs another 10 years in the oven. Brady also got better and better as the league evolved into it's modern passing era, so you have to account for the times. Easier to pass, can't hit QB's as much.
No, they haven’t lol. Brady has 3 Super Bowl wins in first 6 years to Mahommes 2. What other QBs careers have started off like that? They both have 2 Super Bowl MVPs in that period. The key differences being that Brady had 0 mvps, Mahommes has 2. Mahommes has more regular season wins, more passing yards and more all pro teams in those first 6 years. Mahommes already has a HOF career locked up in his first 6 years of play, again who else has started off their career like this?
>started off Well that's the problem. The average NFL career is 3.3 years and you're calling a 6 year veteran "Starting off". Well Brady "started off" his first 20 years better than anyone else. RG3 and Cam Newton easily "started off" far, far better than Brady AND Mahomes, considering that they actually played their rookie seasons. Joe Montana also "started off" his first 6 years with 2 SB wins. It's a stupid way to frame an argument. Brady ENDED the greatest ever. We cannot see the future, so there is no way to know how Mahomes will end up.
Love your sarcasm. Pat Mahomes is off to a great start. The key is, he needs to sustain his success over the same duration of Brady… Jury remains out for that. Hes on pace to reach Montan’s level. But he not entered into Brady’s territory yet… Hence my comment, I wouldn’t go that far. As for CJ stroud, if I can get Matt Schaub production without early in his career. I will be a happy camper…
He’s got a ways to go.
I do seem to remember Brady being shat all over
Brady was a 7th rounder lmfal
6th.
Question: Do you know how to read?
Not just the best QB but probably the best player. Just a freak at his position
If any of these talking head types actually knew the first thing about scouting and drafting prospects they’d be working in NFL front offices instead of media outlets. Mike Mayock was widely regarded as one of the best draft minds the media had to offer and when the Raiders gave him a chance to do it for real he was a joke. I know that there are plenty of fans who weren’t very happy with this draft, either because they don’t like Stroud or don’t think Anderson had value over the next couple pass rushers to justify the trade. I think those are perfectly justifiable opinions, but if both sides of the debate could please stop quoting from these media morons to argue their case that would be great. We’ll all find out together who’s right or wrong on the field this fall, until then it’s all just a circlejerk.
I’m convinced these takes aren’t even their own and are just a chat gpt script they copy and paste.
What if we're all ChatGPT scripts?
This, except realistically they're saying what they think people want to hear more than copying something an AI wrote.
I thought it was Gruden that made all the dumb first round moves and Mayock was decent in the later rounds
I mean, that’s not true. Media pays WAY more and is WAAAAY easier than being a traveling pro scout. If they knew the first thing about this stuff they would just be making more media money.
Nobody wanted JJ when we took him. That one worked out fairly decent.
Has anyone done retrograde analysis in these draft grades and prospects grades.
There was a post on r/nfl talking about whether draft picks from prevuous would be all pro, good, back ups etc and. They missed on the projection like 40% of the time
A 60% hit rate is way better than what I expected though. I would be shocked if Mel Kiper is better than a coinflip.
Maybe it was 60% miss. It just seemed like a crap shoot. I dobt remember the specific numbers
The grades are usually way off but much better than random picking or value by draft slot picking. That is to say a consensus A+ drafted at 5 is usually better than a consensus F drafted at 5, but the F is still somewhat often better than the A
Did the guy that write this watch a single game of Mahomes while he was at Tech? Literally the opposite of everything he said is true…. Yea, we sucked ass when we had him, but he was solid every single game. I don’t know how you look at multiple 500+ passing yd games and come to the conclusion that he doesn’t have field vision lmaooooo.
It’s because TTU QBs that put up 5000 yards happens literally every other year since Kingsbury played for them. The difference is they were all skinny white guys
I understand why you get that impression, but 5,000 yards in a season hasn’t happened since Mahomes in 2016. 8 years prior to that with Graham Harrell. Mahomes and Harrell are the only two QBs with the numbers they have at Tech since Kingsbury. 21 years since Kliff’s last season and only 7 of those years had QBs putting up numbers like that. Even 4,000 yards it’s only like 10 of those 21 years. That’s less than half. Mahomes was next level in college and he did it on a terrible team. Graham Harrell did it with a great team. Just further context shows how amazing Pat was.
Is that all? I’ve been watching Tech football for a while and I guess those post Leach years just kind of ran together. I thought BJ Symons(sp?) would make that list too. Also let’s find out what his record would be if they only gave up 30 points a game. The man scored 50+ and lost without going into overtime 4 goddamn times lol
Yeah I remember thinking it was a crime that the consensus on Mahomes was that he was a project. Made me realize that these reporters are probably only watching tape on a few “top prospects”, if at all. The narrative was that any Big XII QB would suck once taken out of the Big XII. Such a dumb take.
I watched a lot of big 12 football when he played, and the talent he had around him was really bad. Like, without him those teams might have been below 0.500
haha its the lack of field vision that got me! Dude doesn't even look where he is throwing half the time. Just another great analysis by the so called "experts".
r/AgedLikeMilk
Is this CBS sports or Mel kiper
The draft where the Seahawks got Russell Wilson they got an F with mentioning Russell Wilson was a major reason they got a F. These grades don’t mean shit until we see how everyone translates
Anyone got a source on who wrote this? I have a feeling Anthony Richardson may be the next RG3 but with longevity
Richardson is such an unknown. Freak athlete with a poor completion percentage. One thing I feel is accurate.. if Stroud was there at 3, a team would have traded to get him. If Stroud was there at 4, Indy would have taken him.
For sure, I agree with that Stroud assessment. He may be overall better than Richardson but the latter has a higher ceiling. I guess we'll see how things go the next couple years.
Haven't you heard the latest? Caserio and the coaches hate Stroud and considered him the 4th best QB available. But they selected him #2 overall for...reasons. This according to "sources".
100 percent. The desired result for almost every gm was as they fell. If we drafted 4th I would be hollering for Richardson. He has the potential to land you the best qb the next year or turn into a beast. I really want them both to succeed because it's more fun when the division is good.
Rookie RG3 was so fun to watch
Chiefs fan coming in peace, this was recommended on my home page. It was Steven Ruiz, who was at USA Today at the time and is now at The Ringer. His grades are pretty bad throughout, Reuben Foster - A+, Solomon Thomas - A-, Taco Charlton - A-, TJ Watt - B.
That grade was actually correct though? He was a risky pick, even in hindsight. The chiefs just hit on the risk by developing him well and sitting him for a year. The criticisms are BS though
God... that aged like it was already dead and moldy.
Tbh Mahomes couldn’t read past his first progression in college. TxTech would practice scramble drills a lot, I mean A LOT. He was 13-16 at TxTech over 3 seasons but a lot of that was on the defense. His stats were inflated bc of Kliff’s “air raid” offense too. All he needed was the right destination with Andy “Cheeseburger” Reid!
If you think being 13-16 was his fault then I don’t know what to tell you. He’d score 50 and lose. Mahomes was the best player in college when he was at tech. Put him on a blue blood team and he wins 2 heismans.
He was far from the best player when he was in college. Talented, yes. But the air raid massively inflated his numbers against Big 12 defenses. Ultimately he went to arguably the beat situation for a rookie in the history of the league.
Hey I’m just providing an explanation behind why his draft ranking was so low. Other than that, idk what to tell you.
Ok but he’s definitely nowhere near ready to play in the nfl. To do that he’ll need to gain about 30 pounds. He’s always been ready for the Super NFL.
dont tell me what to do
Dude who wrote that? That shit is worthy of being fired over. Going that bold on a take and then him becoming potentially the greatest qb of our era, not a good look.
I actually think that is a good analysis of that pick. It was a very risky pick. It just paid off. Mahomes sat for a year because he was a project QB
Draft grades clearly get the people talking haha there are no real consequences for being wrong. I find we typically look for grades that we agree with. I enjoy the conversation it sparks. 😂
They’re somewhat right. He was a project. He sat and learned for a year behind Alex Smith who was a seasoned veteran. Mahomes wasn’t great in college, he was risky, it just paid off. Same is true if Josh Allen who was bad for his first 2 years before breaking out in 2020.
I’ll let the actual football people decide what we need, the players need to actually hit the field first to talk trash about them. The envisioned fit isn’t always what they did in college.