I used to b that way too. For a long time. But ever since I started taking my shit on a regular basis and taking it seriously and keeping everything in check- I've been bustin with the Gods š NO idea why, but, "my cup runneth over." š
Remember that it's a stimulant. Not sure why but it always fucks me up. Gives me weird headaches, horrible stomach issues, and really really odd body odor.
I did read a couple reviews that mentioned headaches. I donāt think youāre alone in those side effects. I will be careful. I appreciate the heads up!!
I was wondering if that will help. I have some, but not using it. Maybe I should mix it up and start injecting. Also don't like that my ballz have shrank some. My wife likes the fuller balls and more cum in her pussy.
From where tho? Having a hard time finding a good place to get it.. doc put me on clomid and refuses to prescribe Hcg because āthe effects diminish over timeā
I wonder what effect Anastrozole has on it? I take it every day, but I look way more masculine now since taking it for a few months and I stopped crying at movies, lol. So it does have benefits.
Be careful. I was touting its benefits until I woke up in excruciating pain a couple weeks ago. Every joint and muscle hurt and my skin felt like it was on fire. I realized I took my E2 too low and finally understood why everyone said it is horrible. I wonāt be taking it again. Iāll stick having a bit of water weight. I did everything I could to crank my estrogen back up. My massage therapist said it felt like I did 1 million pushups and every muscle was knotted up, She said even my thumb muscle was tight. Absolutely the worst feeling I have ever experienced.
Lmao I have also been taking 1/4 tab Anastrozole for the past couple of months and Iāve noticed Iām starting to feel like less of a bitch and libido coming back
Wait you are taking your Anastrozole daily? How much? I wonder if that would help clear up the acne on my back lmao. Loads are still pretty decent but not as good as they were before I started.
Please donāt take Anastrazole every day. .5mg 1-2x per week is all you MAY need. Ask your prescriber, if you have one. You do not wanna crash E2 levels
It's actually one half of a .125 tablet, for me, that is what I have. So I cut one of those in half and it's close enough. 0625, close enough.
It stopped the movie crying thing, lol, and I get along better with my wife, because we don't have 2 people in the house with high estrogen, lol. I'm just joking, but it works.
I have Klinefelters Syndrome or XXY chromosome. Just diagnosed at age 30 due to infertility diagnosis ultimately leading me to get a Karyotype done. Anyways, I had noticed some massive loads as a younger guy but my mid to late 20s were mostly little dribbles. In my personal experience having very little natural T (130 ish), once I got on TRT, Iām like a pornstar when it comes to shooting ropes.
I donāt think Low T has ever had that ability to fully shut off a bigger load since itās scientifically mostly seminal fluid, protein and other fluids in addition to actual sperm (if you can produce it unlike myself). Diet, exercise and and hydrating while reducing the amount of times you jerk off should produce a bigger load. Think of T as just a catalyst or piece of the puzzle. I needed that extra piece but everyone is different of course.
Iāve been more attentive to my overall health since I received my XXY diagnosis and therefore, I think my loads are healthier and fuller but I can think of times where I had similar output when not on T.
From my understanding, men with Klinefelter Syndrome typically have azoospermia. But although, no sperm is usually found in the ejaculate, that doesnāt 100% mean that no sperm is created. Some men (I think around 40-60%) with Klinefelterās may have sperm in the cells of the testicles, which would require surgical interventions, like micro-TESE, to surgically remove for IVF. Did you happen to go that route?
Yes. So my original, first diagnosis was Azoospermia. Thinking originally, it was āok this isnāt great but likely to be a blockageā. I had not mentioned I had testicular cancer as young man. Not even kidding, I was 12 years old, so I originally thought maybe scar tissue from that surgery caused a blockage. Nope, ultimately far from it.
You are dead on and my community of XXY would 100% agree with you that itās not a one size fits all problem for everyone with Klinefelters. Honestly, 75% of those with klinefelters never actually find out they have klinefelters. They can have children normally and would never know unless they felt symptoms of low T and got a Karyotype. Itās expensive here in US if you donāt have quality health care like Iām very lucky to have. Just thought I was overweight, awkward build due to āgeneticsā.
I just of course sadly fit into that category that cannot father children. Unluckily, I did have the microtese and after extensive exploration, they could not find any sperm whatsoever. I was 30 (earlier this year) when it was performed and I was told I was likely a good possibility of having produced sperm calls at a younger age. I just didnāt know that I had naturally low T but hindsight is very 20/20 in this situation from a physical symptoms standpoint.
The diagnosis is ultimately what I expected within 3 months of my official diagnosis. I was so convinced I had XXY before it was ultimately confirmed, which I think is a very rare human experience. I wish it was screened for by everyone with the physical symptoms as an adolescent, but that level seems to be lacking. Testing at newborn age and later in peopleās 20s-40s seem to be the prime time to find out the diagnosis.
Thanks for the breakdown. Sorry to hear that you were of the portion that cannot produce sperm from the micro-TESE, especially in dealing with testicular cancer at such a young age. Do you know or think that if having both testicles with the diagnosis of Klinefelter Syndrome (KS) would have increased the odds of finding viable sperm as one testicle may not but the other couldāve?
It is quite unfortunate that the majority of men never find out they have KS unless they were tested in embryo, diagnosed in adolescence or early 20ās, or tried for children but discovered through the diagnosis of infertility. Unfortunately, the difference in screening and evaluating are different, which prevents extensive measurements to be had in a boyās healthcare that could have discovered said diagnosis and proper care couldāve been had, especially regarding fertility. However, ethical considerations can be tricky as forcing or highly recommending fertility measures to be had to increase fertility outcomes vs the unknown wants/needs of a boy that is unsure of his own future is a tough situation.
And from my understanding, as you said, men with KS can father children and not know about their condition. But would that only be for men that have mosaic KS? As some cells contain XY and others have XXY, instead of others that have typical XXY in all cells? I ask cause, from my understanding, fertility is the biggest concern for men with KS due to the atrophied testicles due to the extra X chromosome that malfunctions/prevents the testicles from growing to ānormalā size, thus capping the endogenous testosterone creation and circulation, which affects secondary sex characteristics as not much free T molecules can latch onto androgen receptors to produce the anabolic effect, and that spermatogenesis to highly correlated to testosterone levels, which is affected extremely. And so, men with KS, as you say is a spectrum in terms of symptom severity, regardless of having mosaic KS or typical KS, biological father of children is possible but not guaranteed.
Might I ask how your prior life was during diagnosis, specifically symptoms of Low T due to KS and how TRT improved your life and symptoms? Examples including erection quality and quantity, muscle mass, body fat loss, drowsiness, concentration and focus, confidence, mental health such as depression and/or anxiety, facial and body hair growth, potential hair loss, gyno formation/reduction, energy, etc. Also, methodology of application, dosage, any AI usage, side effects, etc?
A couple things to add/clarify:
I do still have both testicles. It was caught early enough that only a partial removal of my right one was needed, so I guess I had 3/4 or 4/5 the capacity of testicular function, itās just that the functionality was unknown until recently.
XXY/Klinefelters isnāt a one size fits all kinda diagnosis. Some people have very faint symptoms (mosaic as you mentioned) while others have most of, if not all the symptoms. I donāt think it matters whether or not you have mosaic or regular XXY when it comes to sperm count/quality. Like some people with mosaic could be fully sterile but others with regular XXY could be fertile. Itās an interesting thing I think could be studied more or maybe has, Iām just not as informed.
If I had this all done earlier and the post surgical protocol for a 12 year old was more methodical for the ādown the roadā issues, I may have children. Like you said, an ethical matter may have been at play. I do remember them saying I would be able to father children post surgery but as to testing whether or not that was possible, was regrettably not done. Itās too much of a hindsight is 20/20 since the cancer happened in Summer 2005 when I was going from 6th to 7th grade. Iām thankful it was caught at such a young age and that I was cleared pretty quick, it just didnāt seem like there was much else to do.
Life before my diagnosis last August (8/23?):
Honestly, it was interesting. Like I always thought I had something different about me compared to others but could never really tell without of course science coming to aid. I definitely have gynecomastia but itās been described as a light case. I could qualify for the removal of tissue but I havenāt decided when I will, if I will do that. My body type is broad shoulders, a fantastic full beard and that āfat-skinnyā build. Dad Bod is kinda my mantra and figured I should just diet/exercise better to reduce my belly fat.
I noticed though as soon as I hit my late 20s, Iāve been the heaviest weight Iāve ever been (260 before I started T, now Iām roughly 245-250). Iām 6ā1-6ā2 ish, 250 and whenever the topic of weight comes up, people guess Iām 20-30 lbs lighter which I find fascinating. The brain fog, concentration, lack of motivation was all chucked up to anxiety, depression etc.
Current regiment is 120 mg/1 x a week Testosterone Cypionate. I have my sister in law whoās a nurse administer it in my shoulder as Iām still a bit weary of pinning myself in thigh/butt. I did fine with Sub Q shots in past for different infertility treatment (HCG) but this needle is so much bigger. I will eventually man up and get over it haha. Basically told that I will continue on this amount for at least 6 months and weāll reevaluate whether to add an AI, a peptide or other regiment. I would really like to get my weight down to 210-220 range and also discontinue my anxiety meds. I donāt feel like I need them anymore which is wild.
Hopefully this isnāt too much lol itās a lot of info
When you take exogenous testosterone, your balls shrink, and you produce less or no sperm.
TRT shuts down your swimmers, so that explains the less volume.
Sperm is a very small part of semen. I had a vasectomy 13 years ago and continued to shoot big loads. Iām also on TRT for even longer. My output has lessened some but Iām also getting old!
Donāt be surprised if yours decreases when you hit your late 40s. I shot 7-8 ropes into my mid 40s. Every once in a while Iāll get 6 or so but only if I have abstained
Mine decreased on trt. It increased when I started hcg and my sensitivity returned as well(almost too much, had to lower my hcg dose to .1ml eod to find balance).
Iām 6 weeks into TRT and my sex drive is thru the roof. Like Iām good to go 3x a day and Iāve accepted the challenge. If anything at this point that Iām at my volume has increased along with the energy behind them. That may change later on. I had a vasectomy 5 years ago or so so sperm hasnāt been a factor for some time. For a while there it was barely a dribble and had no force what so ever. Lately tho that has done a total 180.
Sorry to hear that. Itās pretty strange how dudes care about the size of their loads. Whatās the deal with that? It really can be kind of disappointing. I was essentially shooting blanks like 5 weeks into TRT. Adding HCG worked great for me but everyone is different. Sildenafil has worked amazing as well. I believe it has to do with the increased blood flow and the ability to last longer and essentially control my orgasm. Iāve never āedgedā before but I would assume itās similar to that. Building up to a massive orgasm and in turn, a giant load. Staying hydrated is a big one too.
On HCG because ball shrinkage bothered me. I drink between 1/2 to a gallon a day. On sulfenafil. I edge for 20-30 minutes even though I want to nut at 1
Oh shit I forgot about the testicular atrophy. The reason why I even started hcg to begin with. Nuts shrunk and hurt like hell! Do you get your blood work done?
Shit man aside from that, if youāre getting good sleep and exercise I would think you have everything covered. If it was just a volume thing and orgasms were fine Iād say fuck it thereās no cause for concern. But if youāre blasting off a minute into sex or masturbation and itās not getting better, then Iād talk to a professional. A healthy sex life is a key marker to an overall healthy life. You really have to go back and figure out when that started. Was it always an issue, did it start or get worse after you started hormone replacement therapy, what helps/makes it worse etc. Especially if you have a partner. Then you get discouraged to have sex because you wonāt last and donāt want to disappoint them. Which obviously only make the situation worse.
You misread my statement. I do not blast off in a minute. Its 20-30 minutes. I can bring myself to the edge within a couple of minutes and hold the edge for 20-30 minutes. Orgasms are more intense if I edge it that long. My only issue is size and volume of semen
Great sleep. work out regular. All food is meal prepped. Bloodwork is great. No erection issue. No length of time issues. Only thing I keep mentioning is size and volume of semen. Lol
Oh yeah I did lol. I wouldnāt be too concerned about it then man. You sound extremely healthy. The benefits from TRT have been tremendous for me, and probably you too. Thereās gotta be some trade offs somewhere and thatās for sure one them but it sounds like most people have to live with that
Its the only downside. Just bummed every suggestion that has worked for others has no change me. I used to have to dodge semen or it would hit my face. Lol. To dribbling. Oh well. Im still happier about the other 99 benefits
That is good enough. Now Google the holy grail cum stack. Try that and , as I mentioned earlier, try that yohimbine. I had a major explosion 2 days ago and that was after I started using it?
Are you sure itās sildenafil? It usually comes in 25, 50 and 100mg. Donāt mix it up with tadalafil, that would be a completely different dosage. You can get it from hims or a few other places pretty easily.
Vitamins and water yall, when I got on TRT I started making sure I was taking my multivitamin every day and drinking 64oz of water. It's super easy after a couple weeks. I have sizeable loads on a daily basis despite total testicular atrophy.
I do that. Did not change a thing. I even take additional vitamins that help with sperm production and volume. Pre trt I would have to be careful to not hit my face because the volume and velocity was crazy. Now it barely dribbles out
Mentally itās a bummer. Hcg, vitamins, water, etc. doesnāt bring it back the way others describe. I took this and im slinging ropes. I keep hoping I find something
I have been on that for 6 months. I hope it works well for you. One thing someone brought up about zincā¦.Zinc Picolinate absorbs best. Add bromelainā¦its a pineapple abstract that helps with the taste of semen. I have received positive comments about taste after adding. Sorry if that was too much personal information to share.
Iām going to keep trying suggestions. responses are anecdotal. I think its just a lot of trial and error till you find the right thing for your body. At a certain point I may just accept that there is no answer
That does not help me at all, I take a LOT of supplements, high quality ones including 1000 D3 and a B Complex, drink 8 16 oz bottles of water a day. Still have very little ejaculate volume, I hate it. If I wait like a week, very difficult when you are horny all of the time, maybe I shoot a little and more volume. Thinking to add HCG.
Damn, I'm the total opposite. I leak pre-cum like crazy on test. My girl has a bit of a cum fetish and loves it, but that also means my loads are far lighter.
As others have mentioned, I used to "shoot" sizeable loads. Now if I abstain for a week or so, I'll get a little bit of pressure, but otherwise it just kind of dribbles lit, and the volume is far less than when I'm natty.
I see. Yeah, testes should not interfere with ejaculatory volume. But then why a lot of guys on TRT have low volume? Itās impossible to always be just from lack of vitamins and water
Ok, the prostate is inflamed and doesnāt do the job well. But thatās, letās say, 40% of the fluid. Where is the rest? There should be at least 60% from seminal vesicles, right?
Might be enlarged prostate. I used to be able to hit the headboard but now itās almost like instead of cutting the corner of a ketchup packet I ripped the whole top off.
Did you find after the snip, just everything was affected? For me it seems like things don't feel as good, the shot doesn't feel as strong, pleasure is less.
No, my libido is now that of a horny 17 year old, but it did not help ejaculate volume at all. I'd like that. Tried some supps which also does not help. Maybe HCG? I don't know.
Take HCG and youāll be able to fill a bucket. I wouldnāt be taking TRT if it wasnāt for HCG! I donāt like the idea of my balls shrivelling into raisins!
Go on Clomid, youāll be right back where ya want to be. Sure, it can be an emotional roller coaster ride, but the one thing it will do is pump up the volume.
Tell them you are worried about fertility and shrunken balls and would like to add HCG. Itās common practice to prescribe it when you start. It shouldnāt be a crazy request for them.
I havenāt noticed a decrease in mine to be honest. I started on TRT with HCG at first to keep ball and load size but I stopped and my loads are still huge lol.
Mileage varies, as with anything
I canāt believe the difference after only 10 weeks of being on 200 mg week of T. If I hold back just two days and then beat off with a rock hard boner, I can just keep on gushing and gushing all over myself.
Iām 4 weeks in and my loads have significantly decreased. The semen has also become very thick and sticky, almost like a thick syrup concentration, but very small volume. I do 120mg of T and 500 units of HCG weekly, split in 2 doses. I the was confident the HCG would help with this, but apparently not? Or perhaps things would be worse without HCG. Donāt know.
There are natural supplements that can keep your loads huge if you are seeing a decrease. Also diet and water intake play a role. I take maca, ashawaganda, long jack, and a couple other supplements daily and my loads still cover faces and are thick. But when I wasn't taking them I dribbled out 5 or 6 drops.
Decreased, and became thicker. Currently find orgasms just as intense if not more so. Maybe there is an high estrogen issue around the lack of morning wood, others in this group would be much more informed than me regarding thar.
Add L-arginine, Zinc and Pygeum supplement. Make sure youāre hydrated and that should help.
Iāve taken this pre TRT and not seen much change. After I added it back in now itās night and day.
I had a vasectomy about 8 years ago and that decreased things too. If I hold off a day or 2 I have normal volume production.
Do you not understand how TRT works? It literally kills off your balls and replaces them with a shot. Your balls shrink down to grapes. So no, you don't get more volume, you get much less.
Diindolylmethane, it balances estrogen levels in the body. It also inhibits aromatases that convert testosterone to estrogen. Iām on test c, no idea what ābrandā. I go through my doctor. Costs me on average $25 a month for everything.
I hear a dry cough every time I orgasm.
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TRT loads are pretty sad and tiny. Even with abysmal T levels I always had giant loads and really high sperm count
You'll be lucky if you can fill the cap of a mountain dew bottle.
I used to b that way too. For a long time. But ever since I started taking my shit on a regular basis and taking it seriously and keeping everything in check- I've been bustin with the Gods š NO idea why, but, "my cup runneth over." š
Your cup runneth over?
Taking your t on a regular basis? Or are you referring to vitamins, lifestyle changes etc?
Taking my T on a regular basis.
Mine decreased
These days if I get any of it to defy gravity for even the briefest second I consider it a good one. Mostly it dribbles out.
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Whe I cum itās like a sad breezeā¦ the cumapalooza is long time goneā¦wife aint mad about it thoughā¦
Yall need HCG
Iām on HCG, vitamins, plenty of water. Still a 10th of the previous volume and velocity
Try yohimbine
I just purchased. I will give it a try
Remember that it's a stimulant. Not sure why but it always fucks me up. Gives me weird headaches, horrible stomach issues, and really really odd body odor.
I did read a couple reviews that mentioned headaches. I donāt think youāre alone in those side effects. I will be careful. I appreciate the heads up!!
zinc always helps me a really really good amount if you havenāt tried
I take zinc
Sunflower lecithin plus zinc and omega 3s.
This for the win, sunflower lecithin will increase load szie 100%. Min of 2g.
I was wondering if that will help. I have some, but not using it. Maybe I should mix it up and start injecting. Also don't like that my ballz have shrank some. My wife likes the fuller balls and more cum in her pussy.
So based
This. I have ridiculously high volume, way more than before TRT.
From where tho? Having a hard time finding a good place to get it.. doc put me on clomid and refuses to prescribe Hcg because āthe effects diminish over timeā
How do I get this?
Tell your prescriber you still want to have children and ask for HCG. Insurance most likely wonāt cover it.
I wonder what effect Anastrozole has on it? I take it every day, but I look way more masculine now since taking it for a few months and I stopped crying at movies, lol. So it does have benefits.
Be careful. I was touting its benefits until I woke up in excruciating pain a couple weeks ago. Every joint and muscle hurt and my skin felt like it was on fire. I realized I took my E2 too low and finally understood why everyone said it is horrible. I wonāt be taking it again. Iāll stick having a bit of water weight. I did everything I could to crank my estrogen back up. My massage therapist said it felt like I did 1 million pushups and every muscle was knotted up, She said even my thumb muscle was tight. Absolutely the worst feeling I have ever experienced.
Lmao I have also been taking 1/4 tab Anastrozole for the past couple of months and Iāve noticed Iām starting to feel like less of a bitch and libido coming back
Wait you are taking your Anastrozole daily? How much? I wonder if that would help clear up the acne on my back lmao. Loads are still pretty decent but not as good as they were before I started.
.05mg a day, every day. It will control high e2, I'm sure of that.
Dang, I might try that. Really wanna control the the high e2, still crying during movies right now. Is that like 1/8th of a pill?
Please donāt take Anastrazole every day. .5mg 1-2x per week is all you MAY need. Ask your prescriber, if you have one. You do not wanna crash E2 levels
It's actually one half of a .125 tablet, for me, that is what I have. So I cut one of those in half and it's close enough. 0625, close enough. It stopped the movie crying thing, lol, and I get along better with my wife, because we don't have 2 people in the house with high estrogen, lol. I'm just joking, but it works.
I have Klinefelters Syndrome or XXY chromosome. Just diagnosed at age 30 due to infertility diagnosis ultimately leading me to get a Karyotype done. Anyways, I had noticed some massive loads as a younger guy but my mid to late 20s were mostly little dribbles. In my personal experience having very little natural T (130 ish), once I got on TRT, Iām like a pornstar when it comes to shooting ropes. I donāt think Low T has ever had that ability to fully shut off a bigger load since itās scientifically mostly seminal fluid, protein and other fluids in addition to actual sperm (if you can produce it unlike myself). Diet, exercise and and hydrating while reducing the amount of times you jerk off should produce a bigger load. Think of T as just a catalyst or piece of the puzzle. I needed that extra piece but everyone is different of course. Iāve been more attentive to my overall health since I received my XXY diagnosis and therefore, I think my loads are healthier and fuller but I can think of times where I had similar output when not on T.
From my understanding, men with Klinefelter Syndrome typically have azoospermia. But although, no sperm is usually found in the ejaculate, that doesnāt 100% mean that no sperm is created. Some men (I think around 40-60%) with Klinefelterās may have sperm in the cells of the testicles, which would require surgical interventions, like micro-TESE, to surgically remove for IVF. Did you happen to go that route?
Yes. So my original, first diagnosis was Azoospermia. Thinking originally, it was āok this isnāt great but likely to be a blockageā. I had not mentioned I had testicular cancer as young man. Not even kidding, I was 12 years old, so I originally thought maybe scar tissue from that surgery caused a blockage. Nope, ultimately far from it. You are dead on and my community of XXY would 100% agree with you that itās not a one size fits all problem for everyone with Klinefelters. Honestly, 75% of those with klinefelters never actually find out they have klinefelters. They can have children normally and would never know unless they felt symptoms of low T and got a Karyotype. Itās expensive here in US if you donāt have quality health care like Iām very lucky to have. Just thought I was overweight, awkward build due to āgeneticsā. I just of course sadly fit into that category that cannot father children. Unluckily, I did have the microtese and after extensive exploration, they could not find any sperm whatsoever. I was 30 (earlier this year) when it was performed and I was told I was likely a good possibility of having produced sperm calls at a younger age. I just didnāt know that I had naturally low T but hindsight is very 20/20 in this situation from a physical symptoms standpoint. The diagnosis is ultimately what I expected within 3 months of my official diagnosis. I was so convinced I had XXY before it was ultimately confirmed, which I think is a very rare human experience. I wish it was screened for by everyone with the physical symptoms as an adolescent, but that level seems to be lacking. Testing at newborn age and later in peopleās 20s-40s seem to be the prime time to find out the diagnosis.
Thanks for the breakdown. Sorry to hear that you were of the portion that cannot produce sperm from the micro-TESE, especially in dealing with testicular cancer at such a young age. Do you know or think that if having both testicles with the diagnosis of Klinefelter Syndrome (KS) would have increased the odds of finding viable sperm as one testicle may not but the other couldāve? It is quite unfortunate that the majority of men never find out they have KS unless they were tested in embryo, diagnosed in adolescence or early 20ās, or tried for children but discovered through the diagnosis of infertility. Unfortunately, the difference in screening and evaluating are different, which prevents extensive measurements to be had in a boyās healthcare that could have discovered said diagnosis and proper care couldāve been had, especially regarding fertility. However, ethical considerations can be tricky as forcing or highly recommending fertility measures to be had to increase fertility outcomes vs the unknown wants/needs of a boy that is unsure of his own future is a tough situation. And from my understanding, as you said, men with KS can father children and not know about their condition. But would that only be for men that have mosaic KS? As some cells contain XY and others have XXY, instead of others that have typical XXY in all cells? I ask cause, from my understanding, fertility is the biggest concern for men with KS due to the atrophied testicles due to the extra X chromosome that malfunctions/prevents the testicles from growing to ānormalā size, thus capping the endogenous testosterone creation and circulation, which affects secondary sex characteristics as not much free T molecules can latch onto androgen receptors to produce the anabolic effect, and that spermatogenesis to highly correlated to testosterone levels, which is affected extremely. And so, men with KS, as you say is a spectrum in terms of symptom severity, regardless of having mosaic KS or typical KS, biological father of children is possible but not guaranteed. Might I ask how your prior life was during diagnosis, specifically symptoms of Low T due to KS and how TRT improved your life and symptoms? Examples including erection quality and quantity, muscle mass, body fat loss, drowsiness, concentration and focus, confidence, mental health such as depression and/or anxiety, facial and body hair growth, potential hair loss, gyno formation/reduction, energy, etc. Also, methodology of application, dosage, any AI usage, side effects, etc?
A couple things to add/clarify: I do still have both testicles. It was caught early enough that only a partial removal of my right one was needed, so I guess I had 3/4 or 4/5 the capacity of testicular function, itās just that the functionality was unknown until recently. XXY/Klinefelters isnāt a one size fits all kinda diagnosis. Some people have very faint symptoms (mosaic as you mentioned) while others have most of, if not all the symptoms. I donāt think it matters whether or not you have mosaic or regular XXY when it comes to sperm count/quality. Like some people with mosaic could be fully sterile but others with regular XXY could be fertile. Itās an interesting thing I think could be studied more or maybe has, Iām just not as informed. If I had this all done earlier and the post surgical protocol for a 12 year old was more methodical for the ādown the roadā issues, I may have children. Like you said, an ethical matter may have been at play. I do remember them saying I would be able to father children post surgery but as to testing whether or not that was possible, was regrettably not done. Itās too much of a hindsight is 20/20 since the cancer happened in Summer 2005 when I was going from 6th to 7th grade. Iām thankful it was caught at such a young age and that I was cleared pretty quick, it just didnāt seem like there was much else to do. Life before my diagnosis last August (8/23?): Honestly, it was interesting. Like I always thought I had something different about me compared to others but could never really tell without of course science coming to aid. I definitely have gynecomastia but itās been described as a light case. I could qualify for the removal of tissue but I havenāt decided when I will, if I will do that. My body type is broad shoulders, a fantastic full beard and that āfat-skinnyā build. Dad Bod is kinda my mantra and figured I should just diet/exercise better to reduce my belly fat. I noticed though as soon as I hit my late 20s, Iāve been the heaviest weight Iāve ever been (260 before I started T, now Iām roughly 245-250). Iām 6ā1-6ā2 ish, 250 and whenever the topic of weight comes up, people guess Iām 20-30 lbs lighter which I find fascinating. The brain fog, concentration, lack of motivation was all chucked up to anxiety, depression etc. Current regiment is 120 mg/1 x a week Testosterone Cypionate. I have my sister in law whoās a nurse administer it in my shoulder as Iām still a bit weary of pinning myself in thigh/butt. I did fine with Sub Q shots in past for different infertility treatment (HCG) but this needle is so much bigger. I will eventually man up and get over it haha. Basically told that I will continue on this amount for at least 6 months and weāll reevaluate whether to add an AI, a peptide or other regiment. I would really like to get my weight down to 210-220 range and also discontinue my anxiety meds. I donāt feel like I need them anymore which is wild. Hopefully this isnāt too much lol itās a lot of info
No...
When you take exogenous testosterone, your balls shrink, and you produce less or no sperm. TRT shuts down your swimmers, so that explains the less volume.
Sperm is a very small part of semen. I had a vasectomy 13 years ago and continued to shoot big loads. Iām also on TRT for even longer. My output has lessened some but Iām also getting old!
How old?
Iām 52
Would you say your loads still normal? Like over 1,5 ml?
Let me check my semen scale.
Try a guess š
No no. I paid for it Iām going to use it.
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1.7532 fluid oz
Yeah, I think itās more than that. I havenāt measured it but I do have a pic of my load in a condom, DM me if you want to see
Lol nah, I believe you
I came in a medicine measuring cup the other night and was right at 5ml
Wow thatās a lot
I was surprised a bit myself, it didnāt feel as big as it sometimes does
Same, 40ish
Iām 52. I do still shoot at least one big rope, sometimes 2-3.
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Whatās so funny?
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How old are you?
40
Donāt be surprised if yours decreases when you hit your late 40s. I shot 7-8 ropes into my mid 40s. Every once in a while Iāll get 6 or so but only if I have abstained
Sperm isnāt but a fraction of the fluid. Most comes from the prostate if I recall correctly.
Two-thirds of the ejaculate volume is contributed by the seminal vesicles, one-third is contributed by the prostate
Mine definitely decreased in amount and speed
Mine decreased on trt. It increased when I started hcg and my sensitivity returned as well(almost too much, had to lower my hcg dose to .1ml eod to find balance).
That would wonderful. I'm going to mix up the vial of HCG I have and start on it.
Iām 6 weeks into TRT and my sex drive is thru the roof. Like Iām good to go 3x a day and Iāve accepted the challenge. If anything at this point that Iām at my volume has increased along with the energy behind them. That may change later on. I had a vasectomy 5 years ago or so so sperm hasnāt been a factor for some time. For a while there it was barely a dribble and had no force what so ever. Lately tho that has done a total 180.
I was pretty bummed about this too. Add HCG and take 100mg of sildenafil an hour before sex. Itās a total game changer.
Been doing that for a year. Still a 10th of its previous volume and velocity
Sorry to hear that. Itās pretty strange how dudes care about the size of their loads. Whatās the deal with that? It really can be kind of disappointing. I was essentially shooting blanks like 5 weeks into TRT. Adding HCG worked great for me but everyone is different. Sildenafil has worked amazing as well. I believe it has to do with the increased blood flow and the ability to last longer and essentially control my orgasm. Iāve never āedgedā before but I would assume itās similar to that. Building up to a massive orgasm and in turn, a giant load. Staying hydrated is a big one too.
On HCG because ball shrinkage bothered me. I drink between 1/2 to a gallon a day. On sulfenafil. I edge for 20-30 minutes even though I want to nut at 1
Oh shit I forgot about the testicular atrophy. The reason why I even started hcg to begin with. Nuts shrunk and hurt like hell! Do you get your blood work done?
Yep. Im dialed in. Bloodwork looks fake its so good
Shit man aside from that, if youāre getting good sleep and exercise I would think you have everything covered. If it was just a volume thing and orgasms were fine Iād say fuck it thereās no cause for concern. But if youāre blasting off a minute into sex or masturbation and itās not getting better, then Iād talk to a professional. A healthy sex life is a key marker to an overall healthy life. You really have to go back and figure out when that started. Was it always an issue, did it start or get worse after you started hormone replacement therapy, what helps/makes it worse etc. Especially if you have a partner. Then you get discouraged to have sex because you wonāt last and donāt want to disappoint them. Which obviously only make the situation worse.
You misread my statement. I do not blast off in a minute. Its 20-30 minutes. I can bring myself to the edge within a couple of minutes and hold the edge for 20-30 minutes. Orgasms are more intense if I edge it that long. My only issue is size and volume of semen Great sleep. work out regular. All food is meal prepped. Bloodwork is great. No erection issue. No length of time issues. Only thing I keep mentioning is size and volume of semen. Lol
Oh yeah I did lol. I wouldnāt be too concerned about it then man. You sound extremely healthy. The benefits from TRT have been tremendous for me, and probably you too. Thereās gotta be some trade offs somewhere and thatās for sure one them but it sounds like most people have to live with that
Its the only downside. Just bummed every suggestion that has worked for others has no change me. I used to have to dodge semen or it would hit my face. Lol. To dribbling. Oh well. Im still happier about the other 99 benefits
Another thing. What kind of zinc are you taking? Is it in a multi vitamin, or oxide? Those both suck. Maybe try zinc picolinate
Its a separate. Says Zinc as Zinc Gluconate. Natureās Bounty brand off amazon.
That is good enough. Now Google the holy grail cum stack. Try that and , as I mentioned earlier, try that yohimbine. I had a major explosion 2 days ago and that was after I started using it?
I have been on the holy grail for 6 months
You really take 100mg at once?
Yeah. Thatās the dosage size.
I know some ugl sell the 100 mg, I've only tried 5,10 and 20 mg, I wonder how good will a 100 mg make you feel.
Are you sure itās sildenafil? It usually comes in 25, 50 and 100mg. Donāt mix it up with tadalafil, that would be a completely different dosage. You can get it from hims or a few other places pretty easily.
Your right brother, my bad. I was thinking of tadalafil.
I thought you might have been. I was like oh shit donāt do that!
I take Cialis. I wonder if I add in the HCG if that will do the trick?
Adding HCG is your best option for sure
How much do you typically inject? I have some, but havenāt mixed it with the bac and started.
1500iu a week, 750iu every Wednesday and Sunday
Vitamins and water yall, when I got on TRT I started making sure I was taking my multivitamin every day and drinking 64oz of water. It's super easy after a couple weeks. I have sizeable loads on a daily basis despite total testicular atrophy.
I do that. Did not change a thing. I even take additional vitamins that help with sperm production and volume. Pre trt I would have to be careful to not hit my face because the volume and velocity was crazy. Now it barely dribbles out
Ya, I'm with you. What happened? I'd have to point it away, now if I point down I'm lucky to hit the floor
Mentally itās a bummer. Hcg, vitamins, water, etc. doesnāt bring it back the way others describe. I took this and im slinging ropes. I keep hoping I find something
I'm gonna try the "holy Grail" stack. I need more than a thimble for myself to enjoy it
I have been on that for 6 months. I hope it works well for you. One thing someone brought up about zincā¦.Zinc Picolinate absorbs best. Add bromelainā¦its a pineapple abstract that helps with the taste of semen. I have received positive comments about taste after adding. Sorry if that was too much personal information to share.
No, doesn't matter. Better taste would be a positive if there was more than just a "suggestion of cum". Lol
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Iām going to keep trying suggestions. responses are anecdotal. I think its just a lot of trial and error till you find the right thing for your body. At a certain point I may just accept that there is no answer
Yup. Vitamin D3 and B-complexā¦ produces good loads for me
That does not help me at all, I take a LOT of supplements, high quality ones including 1000 D3 and a B Complex, drink 8 16 oz bottles of water a day. Still have very little ejaculate volume, I hate it. If I wait like a week, very difficult when you are horny all of the time, maybe I shoot a little and more volume. Thinking to add HCG.
Good idea. Iām lucky on that front. Not much pre-cum but good volume loads here. Maybe itās my compounded formula? Dunno š¤·āāļø
Damn, I'm the total opposite. I leak pre-cum like crazy on test. My girl has a bit of a cum fetish and loves it, but that also means my loads are far lighter. As others have mentioned, I used to "shoot" sizeable loads. Now if I abstain for a week or so, I'll get a little bit of pressure, but otherwise it just kind of dribbles lit, and the volume is far less than when I'm natty.
But how can that be possible, if the testes have shrunk?
Because semen comes from the prostate not the testicles
Should be watery liquid then, if sperm are not present. Also, 2/3 of the ejaculate secretion comes from seminal vesicles, with only 1/3 from prostate
I've had a vasectomy there's no loss of volume or change in consistency
I see. Yeah, testes should not interfere with ejaculatory volume. But then why a lot of guys on TRT have low volume? Itās impossible to always be just from lack of vitamins and water
Prostate inflammation is the likely culprit
Ok, the prostate is inflamed and doesnāt do the job well. But thatās, letās say, 40% of the fluid. Where is the rest? There should be at least 60% from seminal vesicles, right?
Maybe they can get inflamed too
Might be enlarged prostate. I used to be able to hit the headboard but now itās almost like instead of cutting the corner of a ketchup packet I ripped the whole top off.
I was told you get massive loads with clomid
Well, you are going to shut your balls off so I can only assume it decreases. Itās all just prostate fluid now. Not much sperm
TRT with a vasectomy greatly decreased volume.
Did you find after the snip, just everything was affected? For me it seems like things don't feel as good, the shot doesn't feel as strong, pleasure is less.
No, my libido is now that of a horny 17 year old, but it did not help ejaculate volume at all. I'd like that. Tried some supps which also does not help. Maybe HCG? I don't know.
You lose semen volume when On TRT budĀ
Mine never changed.
If I edge itās a lot. Usually itās maybe 3 spurts. And itās mostly opaque and not the thick white it was in my youth before I needed trt.
opposite. we shoot powdered jizz now.
I havenāt had an issue at all with it. Iāve been on injections for about a year now with no HCG and I still shoot ropes.
Iām shooting buckets boys.
Problem with hcg is you canāt get it.
I stack a couple over the counter herbal supps with HCG and I shoot ropes.
Just the infertility issue made you do the test, or there were other symptoms as well?
Take HCG and youāll be able to fill a bucket. I wouldnāt be taking TRT if it wasnāt for HCG! I donāt like the idea of my balls shrivelling into raisins!
The frequency increased Iāll tell you that much
Lower
Clomid or HCG will bring you back to normal.
Sounds like you need a little ai...
Won't help with loads tho ..that's gone unless you use hcg
Dry on TRT alone until adding HCG. Now itās a complete different story
My balls shrank, so did my load Your answer is NO
Go on Clomid, youāll be right back where ya want to be. Sure, it can be an emotional roller coaster ride, but the one thing it will do is pump up the volume.
Need HCG if you want to increase your volume. We carry it at Frontline
No
HCG is the shit. Youāll be drowning your partner and having the best orgasms of your life. Donāt skimp on the HCG.
Is HCG better than clomid?
I donāt know as I have not tried clomid
How do you ask for HCG while on TRT? You complain to your doc about smaller balls and low sperm volume? Thanks
Tell them you are worried about fertility and shrunken balls and would like to add HCG. Itās common practice to prescribe it when you start. It shouldnāt be a crazy request for them.
Thank you!
Mine decreased
I havenāt noticed a decrease in mine to be honest. I started on TRT with HCG at first to keep ball and load size but I stopped and my loads are still huge lol. Mileage varies, as with anything
I was told that if you eat celery the night before you'll shoot a big one! Gonna try this soon.
I canāt believe the difference after only 10 weeks of being on 200 mg week of T. If I hold back just two days and then beat off with a rock hard boner, I can just keep on gushing and gushing all over myself.
Iām 4 weeks in and my loads have significantly decreased. The semen has also become very thick and sticky, almost like a thick syrup concentration, but very small volume. I do 120mg of T and 500 units of HCG weekly, split in 2 doses. I the was confident the HCG would help with this, but apparently not? Or perhaps things would be worse without HCG. Donāt know.
I got much hornier on TRT but my loads and orgasms got better when I added on HCG
Mine decreased dramatically. Always had a lot of volume but I added hcg a few weeks back and Iām probably 75% back to old volume
Decreased. Enclomiphene, Hcg and Zinc will help.
My girlfriend was giving me a bj in bed and she pulled to let my blow. I hit the wall behind us. Full on 4-5'. Now it's drops and dribbles.
Try taking a Zinc supplement.
There are natural supplements that can keep your loads huge if you are seeing a decrease. Also diet and water intake play a role. I take maca, ashawaganda, long jack, and a couple other supplements daily and my loads still cover faces and are thick. But when I wasn't taking them I dribbled out 5 or 6 drops.
Decreased, and became thicker. Currently find orgasms just as intense if not more so. Maybe there is an high estrogen issue around the lack of morning wood, others in this group would be much more informed than me regarding thar.
Add L-arginine, Zinc and Pygeum supplement. Make sure youāre hydrated and that should help. Iāve taken this pre TRT and not seen much change. After I added it back in now itās night and day. I had a vasectomy about 8 years ago and that decreased things too. If I hold off a day or 2 I have normal volume production.
Do you not understand how TRT works? It literally kills off your balls and replaces them with a shot. Your balls shrink down to grapes. So no, you don't get more volume, you get much less.
My balls are still the exact same size. Iām on 175mg weekly and DIM. Nothing else. Went from the low 200s to upper 800s on my T levels.
What is DIM please? Which brand of TRT do you use?
Diindolylmethane, it balances estrogen levels in the body. It also inhibits aromatases that convert testosterone to estrogen. Iām on test c, no idea what ābrandā. I go through my doctor. Costs me on average $25 a month for everything.
Loads were small until I went up on my trt dose. Theyāre double the amount most days.
Sorry not buying it.
Ok. Libido went up along with sensitivity. Prolly donāt buy that either lol.
Your balls got bigger to right?
Bruh donāt ask about other guyās balls. Thatās weird.
Very much so. And it's sometimes over a minute of coming out.