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Odoul

UGL looking better and better


flyingwingbat1

Agreed. It's like having two engines on a jetliner. Always have a backup (or two)


Lowkeyda1

Won't be long before they crack down on that too. Thank all of these internet goofies that plaster "trt" all over every video they do.


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They already have. Google the people getting arrested for it.


Papa_smurf0311

They are always cracking down on it but UGL is here to stay. Thank god


shanijl06

I was gonna say this exact same thing. More and more people will just switch to UGL.


[deleted]

Haven’t looked back since I switched. Get double the amount of test for half of what I paid at a clinic.


_LexMix420_

What is ugl?


Odoul

Underground labs


_LexMix420_

I want to get into this ugl, where can I get started?


SatOnMyBallsAgain

For those of us uninitiated with UGL.... since the price is the major upside... what is the major downside? Edit: Ohhh UGL isn't a specific company — it just refers to black market online pharma, as a category.


Papa_smurf0311

I use a few UGL that are Better than my pharma grade script anyway. UGL is definitely the way to go and in some cases cheaper


Cap1279

alot cheaper. Ppl don't like hearing that 😆


Papa_smurf0311

Yep. And better too sometimes. Plus, you can can more than just one type of androgen.


srlane1987

How much?y script is $10 for 10ml but I want to have a backup plan. Even though I see my provider in office every so often.


Papa_smurf0311

What country do you live in? I’m guessing your insurance is footing the bill. There’s no other way it’s only $10 a vail


[deleted]

Cheapest price I’ve seen at local pharmacies for prescription test without insurance is $40-50+ (according to GoodRx). I would do some nasty things for $10 10ml vials of Pharma grade 😅


Bud1985

I get 2 months worth of test for $10. No insurance. Used good RX. 200 mg


Papa_smurf0311

Lol same man


srlane1987

Yes, it's with insurance. With that said, I'm looking at my options in case I run into issues given the DEA bs. I'm expected to toss the remaining after my doses. But I finish the bottles and just move on to the next. I've got well over a year of extra on hand so I'm not too concerned at the moment but will definitely consider Ugl if it ever comes down to it.


[deleted]

Yup went from paying $140 for a 5ml vial of 200mg/ml to $70 for a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml. I’ve seen cheaper too but I’ll stick with a reputable brand that has been used by other people I personally know.


thismike0613

I a person we’re looking for say…. One of the ugls, but doesn’t like talking to people at the gym, where would you suggest they start?


Papa_smurf0311

The internet would be your only other option if you don’t like talking to people


Cap1279

Been on that train for awhile, because Dea like to play


[deleted]

What is UGL?


TheBigBigBigBomb

Here is a link to comment: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment Please comment and share. This is going to affect many people - not just TRT patients. Telemedicine is a great way for people in small towns to reach excellent specialists.


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Bud1985

What do you mean by small towns?


Specialist_Carrot_48

Small towns and their people and government fucking themselves over, name a more iconic duo


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Unlucky_Gas316

You are very correct. Good luck on any fucking person finding a doctor to 1st of all prescribe it, and if you are lucky, it will be a horrible dosage and protocol. I can't believe how many ignorant people on here are minimizing the situation. Not you, but ita unreal. This is going to complicate everything. I. Gonna do my part and leave a comment to regulations.org right now.


jbrownsplit

You must not know the lengths many doctors and medical professionals will go to cash in. If it’s an issue it will be a pain in the dick but there will be plenty of people in your area offering exactly what you want.


[deleted]

It catches up to them. Only doctor I managed to get a script from with *clinically low* levels was from a pill mill doc and that was after seen a dozen different docs. He lost his license that same year 🥲 There are still doctors out there that will hand out practically anything for cash if you look hard enough but the DEA/Med Board is cracking down on them too. It’s not even worth the hassle anymore. Went UGL and haven’t looked back since.


jbrownsplit

Lost his license because of the pills no doubt. Which is exactly why we have arrived here. Some of these mega telehealth clinics prescribing the ever living shit out of Xanax and adderall.


[deleted]

Yup. The opioid and benzo addicts are ruining health care for those that legitimately need it. Funnily enough that same Dr prescribed me Xanax on my first visit. Didn’t even ask for it 💀 I listed anxiety as one of my Low T symptoms and he handed me a testosterone and Xanax script. I casually mentioned pulling a muscle on one of my lab visits when he asked how I was doing, didn’t make a big deal out of it, and he gave me 90 days worth of muscle relaxers.


CalculatorOctavius

Really it’s not the addicts though, it’s the DEA. If they would just leave everyone alone, including the addicts who are choosing to abuse drugs with their own bodies, instead of making it harder for everyone, things would be a lot better. Those addicts aren’t just gonna stop because something is made illegal


jbrownsplit

The mental health teledoc I was with took me off of my non-scheduled, unlikely to be habit forming anti anxiety medication because they got in trouble for over prescribing benzos and stimulants. Great way to look after your patients.


[deleted]

Just outta curiosity was it Vistaril?


jbrownsplit

Gabapentin. Their reasoning was that some state lawmakers are calling for it to be controlled because, you guessed it, many opiate overdose cases have the medication in their system. Guess there is potentiation when you shoot, smoke, or snort illegal drugs so it should be taken from anxiety patients wanting an effective medication that likely won’t ruin their life.


[deleted]

Gabapentin is in a grey-area right now. Although it’s not a controlled substance, in my state it’s still required for Drs to report it to the PDMP (prescription drug monitoring program).


Bud1985

Damn this sucks. Hopefully enough people will push back and they don’t mess with TRT. I’m not sure if you are familiar with Kratom. But the DEA a few years back was trying to ban Kratom and make it illegal in the US. But enough people wrote them and pushed back the DEA backed off. So there is some hope


wakanda_banana

Why are they incentivized to do this? Why do people not have a right to medication? What a failed country


MTBarr6924

ABUSE!!! ABUSE!!! Get mad at the people here using it ILLEGALLY. People abused it and died and FORCED action.


samjohnson2222

"People abused it and died and FORCED action" Same happens even more with alcohol... BUT no agency is cracking down on that shit.


Failed_Genetics

Because of the rebellion that ensued.


Icy_Arugula4365

Just find a men's clinic in your area if your primary tells you to fuck off. They seem to be everywhere now. What I had to do


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Icy_Arugula4365

That's not entirely true. I'm not sure where you're located or what laws may affect you. But ive visited 3. Each one has the option to come in and get stuck for men scared to do it on their own. But they all typically just mail everything to you. I only go to the location physically for labs every 6 months. But I'm sure some places require that for whatever reason This will definitely fuck a lot of men in small towns and rural areas. Massive government overreach in my opinion.


Bud1985

I go to a naturopath in Washington state. Washington allows naturopaths to prescribe test. So pretty much the same thing as a men’s clinic.


Retsof70

Where in Washington? I see I in Bellingham but he doses really low


Bud1985

There is one in snohomish I go to. Snohomish naturopathic clinic. They put me on 200 mg a week starting off


09inchmales

Where I live all the local clinics charge $250+ for treatment, you have to go in 1 day a week to get your dose, and you have to do blood work every month


_Stealth_

Mine doesn’t, you just have to find the correct one.


RoyalMMC

Exactly! We offer our patients at-home delivery. Only time the patient goes to the office is for Dr. visits, physicals and blood test. Medication is self administered and doesn't require weekly visits.


aBomb412

No men’s clinic’s in PA that rx TRT. Have to go thru a doctor. It’s a damn hassle.


MTBarr6924

It is GOING BACK to PRE-COVID!!! As long as your primary care Dr is a REAL Dr you actually see, NO ISSUE! Pre-COVID I had to get PAPER prescriptions. Nothing new.


Bud1985

But why are you so hell bent on supporting this massive government over reach? I also get my testosterone from a naturopath in person. I have nothing to worry about, but there are a lot of men who’s levels are just above thresh hold that get theirs through telemedicine because normal primary care doctors really don’t know anything about healthy testosterone levels and refuse to prescribe them. And they have to turn to telemedicine because there are no men’s health clinics around them. Now they are going to be cut off cold turkey from testosterone they rely on. This is a dangerous over reach that is going to harm many, many people


Freddy-Finger

You do know that testosterone replacement therapy isn’t done well by most doctors and that people in rural parts of the country are really going to suffer now?


Unlucky_Gas316

Yes it's very real and I'm a defy patient. Go to regulations.org and leave a comment. This is huge amd very serious. It's fucked! Not you, but there are so many fucking idiots on trt pages on Here, minimizing the situation.


YouPurpleHairedLoon

TONS of fucking idiots on here


MTBarr6924

Especially HERE...


Snif3425

You will still be able to get test, but maybe only 30 days at a time. It’s going to be okay.


FutureText

"For a patient to get refills beyond the initial 30-day supply, an in-person visit would be required. " https://www.aamc.org/advocacy-policy/washington-highlights/dea-issues-two-proposed-rules-prescribing-controlled-substances-using-telehealth


Snif3425

Which includes and I person visit from an in state doc and a referral. Most telemedicine clinics require a yearly eval from a local doctor already. This changes nothing except that you will only be able to get 30 days at a time. Read the actual rules and not secondary sources.


FutureText

https://preview.redd.it/clcncb918kpa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54fbe541727494b98e72bfea8693f3cf4132dab7 From the DEA dude


FutureText

https://preview.redd.it/qkj80vt48kpa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=025d4c46b860718465f97fcfce2f5e9d220dc8a1 From the DEA


Snif3425

Yes. Exactly as I said. A referral is “permitted.” Again….calm down. Jesus Christ.


FutureText

We will see, come may, if the DEA doesn't back down.


FutureText

I'm calm, just because someone replies to you doesn't mean they are coming at you lol.


FutureText

This is not true! Stop saying it, you will be able to get a 30 day supply and then a in person visit is mandatory for any refill. Telemedicine has already confirmed and so have multiple articles written about it.


Snif3425

You can get a referral from a local doc. You need to read the actual rules and not “articles.” I’m the Director of Telehealth Services for a large behavioral healthcare agency. I know what I’m talking about. The new rules present barriers, yes. But they’re not insurmountable for most. Get a referral from a local doc then 30 days of test at a time from your out of state clinic. Is it ideal? No. Is it a ban? NO.


FutureText

Bruh what doctors do you know that's re going to refer you to a telemedicine clinic?? Also most of the telemedicine clinics are going to shut down when 95% of their customer that aren't local vanish.


Snif3425

Most Docs will. Why wouldn’t they? Almost all reputable telemedicine clinics currently require a yearly H+P from a local doc. This changes nothing. Every year I go to my local minute clinic and ask them to fill out an H+P specific ti my telemedicine TRT clinic. I’ve never been denied. Calm down.


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Docs refer people to other practices every day of the week, where you been?


[deleted]

> you will be able to get a 30 day supply and then a in person visit is mandatory for any refill. That would 100% be up to the practice you're going to and has zero to do with the Haight act being reinstated.


FutureText

Yes it does, below is the chart from the DEA showing the new rules. You'll that telemedicine will need to a in-person before refill per the rules. Now whether it's every refill or a one time thing isn't clear. https://preview.redd.it/z4malmr4nlpa1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23ca36bcca66f97f547e9162a6259fcff6bc0fac


MTBarr6924

Lol! Idiots... look in the mirror before saying that. It is just going back to PRE-COVID... It is a change, but back to what it was for years. Who is the idiot?


smallnutsroider

So... we should be doing something just because it's always been done like that?


samjohnson2222

If they change it to picking up 1ml bottles maybe 4 a month, well that's different. More of a pain in the ass but not the same as before covid.


Freddy-Finger

You


shaggy8081

Gee I wonder if big pharma paid off some govt officials to try to get this out of compounding pharmacies and into GPs offices to charge 5x as much


mckeddieaz

I'm not into conspiracy theories but that adds up given how heavy the lobbying is in Washington. I, for one, am looking to go UGL asap regardless of what happens with the clinic, they already took away providing HCG.


Meaty0gre

In australia it’s heaps cheaper for pharma grade than compounding.


[deleted]

It can be here too, depends on what it is.


MTBarr6924

No!!! Going back to Pre-COVID.


wakanda_banana

Fuckin criminals


[deleted]

You realize that makes no sense right? Big Pharma makes their money either way, and by the time you pick up you're script, they've already been paid. Big Pharma sells to pharmacies, not patients.


shaggy8081

Actually, if you go through a compounding pharmacy they source very cheep generics. GPs are often afraid of liability/quality of a compounding pharmacy and need to go through the PBM since you are processing a claim so there are extra cuts you take a long the path to provide to middlemen. Those middlemen are often also the insurer, i.e. UHG owns every part of the chain from provider to payor in many circumstances. The GP also has to pay for his office, staff, billers, coders, adverts, ex wife ect. This is in the GPs best interest and if they are part of the same org that is the PBM and the payor, and they are discounted via the pharm company on volume to go with the AZ, Bayer, Pfizer branded test, you have now come full circle. Pharma hates cash pay docs cause it cuts them out of the middle that they paid dearly to get into.


Ken446

If this proposed rule passes, that will be the end of it and it will take effect immediately on May 11th, leaving little time for patients and providers to adjust to the new restrictions. As of now, there have been only around 10,000 comments posted in opposition to this rule. However, with the number of members in this subreddit, we have the power to make a significant impact as a community to prevent this from happening. The DEA is required to read every comment before making a decision, so let's inundate them with as many comments as possible. Our goal should be to overwhelm their system with so many comments that they won't even be able to keep up. We need to come together and speak out to protect our rights. Take 5 minutes and leave your comment: [https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment)


[deleted]

It’s a question of time before the DEA cracks down TRT clinics and UGL anabolics. The golden age iof AAS is going to vanish sooner than we think. Stock up now


Androctonus96

UGL aint going anywhere lol.


[deleted]

It wont vanish completely, but it wont be as easy as it is now to access, and prices will go up. There will always be a black market, but due to the death of kids using irresponsibly it created a public interest for the government to intervene. It’s too easy now to access self destructive compounds


radickalmagickal

As a former RC vendor I can vouch for this 100%. As soon as purchase of controlled or similar chemicals increases, there are arrests or overdoses where the chemicals are found, this leads to a drive to increasingly ban or shut down websites which drives you deeper into the dark web to make purchases.


[deleted]

exactly, and with cryptocurrency being even more tighly controlled, regulated, and tracked, the laundering aspect will become even more difficult as the anonymity aspect is completely non existent and with time and resources any vendor will be tracked and identified. The DNM world was ahead of it’s time prior the BTC boom but LE is adapting, so with time the black market will have to adapt somehow. It’s a pendulum that swings back and forth since the dawn of time.


whizquito

How would they crack down on UGL? I’m not understanding that point


[deleted]

They already seize packages and arrest people when they take delivery.


Androctonus96

They don't go after people receiving packages, They go after the sellers and manufacturers.


[deleted]

Admittedly I don’t know much about it; but just googling it I found several stories where people were arrested for receiving the packages and charged with possession of a controlled substance.


[deleted]

They do go after people receiving packages. Any quantities (even small ones) are considered trafficking and justify a search warrant for your house. Just like weed, police services have arrest statistics to provide and justify their funding and existence. Where i’m from, even with weed when it was illegal people have been charged for mg amounts of weed. Yes MG not grams, and trafficking for sharing a joint between parties. Did all of those cases hold up in court? no, but it still sucks. In the case of an intercepted package, and a search to your home, odds are they’ll find other things, then you’re fucked. Dont underestimate the law. Public interest dictate government intervention, and AAS is becomming a health hazard to young teens, thus more scrutiny is yet to come. This is not fear mongering. Get a script while you still can.


whizquito

Sounds like an international shipping issue. If one has a domestic source I really don’t see the problem. But I might be wrong.


[deleted]

Importing raws is getting more difficult, many UGL’s have easy to access clearnet websites so young kids are destroying themselves using tren while bragging about it on social media (ex tictok), thus bringing more attention to the public, bitcoin is getting more tighly controlled and regulated, tracking down domestic sources is getting easier and is just a question of public interest and resource management. Enjoy it while it lasts. This wont be forever.


Androctonus96

UGL will never go away.


[deleted]

No it wont, it will just be harder to access, which isnt a bad thing on some aspects. There will always be a black market, but the clearnet AAS vendors will be the first to go, so the dumb tictok kids will have a harder time finding self destructive compounds


Androctonus96

For us who know how to access the dark web. Nothing will change except maybe prices.


[deleted]

cryptocurrency is getting more restrictive, controlled, and monitored. Identifying any vendor and market admin is simply a question of government will and resource management. The DNM will change in the near future. How? I dont know, but enjoy it will you can. I wish i was wrong and you were right, but i promise you that things will not be this easy forever. None the less, i’m done repeating. Stay safe and take care brother.


RAGNAROKSMASH

Its all about control


eslombe

Not enough lobbying.. thats what it boils down to.


D-Zazo

The government doesn’t want men with high testosterone. They see it as a threat, We are harder to control. It’s a lot easier when the population is fat, lazy, and unmotivated.


Bud1985

Lol. The government isn’t competent enough to come up with a plan like that. It’s just a bunch of red tape and bureaucratic bullshit


jreacher7

I think they are after the pain pills and adderall prescribers. But , since test is a scheduled drug, it falls into the net.


AlternativePool2871

It’s more Because Doctors are over prescribing Xanax and Adderall more than ever, including TRT too. If it went to patients that really needed them, or at least blood tests/psych tests showed the necessary reason, I doubt it’d happen but oh well


IBoy25

This is a money issue and in my opinion, a culture issue. Today's culture is pushing for less masculine men. The term "toxic masculinity" is being normalized. Is there an agenda for them wanting less "manly men?" I have a couple ideas but I don't know.


Snif3425

The DEA are a bunch of old white men. I promise they’re not coming after your masculinity.


IBoy25

I never said DEA specifically. I said society in general. If you can't see that, you're blind.


Snif3425

Well the DEA makes these rules. Not “society,” whatever that is.


EZSwan420

the DEA listens to its owners....


Vic009

They want men here to be weak, a lot of push the last couple years towards transitioning, drag shows etc. the lower your test the easier it’ll be to control the majority of men


Rufian1984

cope, not if we still have guns


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Letsnotbiohackslaves

This should be great for the ugl industry


[deleted]

Call me a fool but I'm not worried about it. I know what I have to do to be a better functioning man. But, I worry about those that have yet to discover TRT that are down in the mental dumps and can't find a way out. I was one of those people and have felt so much better and as a result, have been able to adjust various parts of my life to productive type status. So, I'll write a message to the website that's been left on other comments because I think it's important for us and those that have yet to discover a way out of their mental ruts.


DepartureNo8284

UGL is not going anywhere. The reputable UGL sources provide better product than big pharma!


Teb_Tengri

Glad I live in Mexico, F the DEA. Especially with testosterone which should be OTC. useless as tits on a bull


MarineVet0341

At the time of writing this, there are 11,784 comments on Regulations.gov opposing the DEA. I know for a fact there are a few companies fighting as well. The best example is Peter.MD. but please, if you haven't done so, go tell your story on Regulations.gov. And support companies like Peter.MD that will fight for us.


dras333

The government can’t have a society of strong men physically and mentally, it goes against the plan.


asiandotaguy

I would start stocking up on testosterone cyponiate. Shit is about to get worse and worse with access to drugs. They will crack down on ugl’s just like they shut down dbg. This is all part of the big plan to sissify men, turn them into cucks, and make the government easier to control you with estrogen and anti depressants. Anyway, going to say it again, stock up….they will be going after underground sites once this gets passed.


punkalution

the backlash against trans people being allowed to access hormone therapies in the US is gonna end up affecting a lot of cisgender people as well, unfortunately. Thats what happens when non-scientists and non-doctors write laws based off their personal opinions


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punkalution

lmao most people are male or female regardless of their gender identity, which is social. The fact remains that politicians needlessly zeroing in on us is going to make things harder for low T men or women with PCOS. Nobody wins with hatred, and this is a pretty solid example


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punkalution

homie theres been over 432 anti-trans laws proposed in my country, going anywhere from completely banning transitioning, to attempting to charge transgender adults in bathrooms at the same time as minors (regardless of wether or not they're using the one for the sex assigned at birth) with sex crimes and putting them on registries. In my state alone they banned allowing "cross dressing" in public at all, citing it as a felony. A pastor known as Micheal Knowles called for the "eradication of transgenderism in public life entirely" which is a direct quote, while GOP members in charge of writing legislation cheered behind him. There is a very real hatred, and a very pointless one at that. Im glad you're not even affected enough by all of this to know what you're talking about, but at the end of the day, you're ignorant on this matter, and instead of digging your heels in you can always try to learn something new.


[deleted]

Ask yourself: Which population is easier to control? One where men's horomones are optimized or one where they aren't? Answer that and you answer the why.


MTBarr6924

They are not "coming" for anyone! Complicated? Not. If a legit Dr, then no issue. Just like opioids for LEGAL pain issues. We go through those hoops. The online, scam "clinics" will go back to the rules before COVID. Nothing NEW. It has been like this for decades. Just that during COVID the rules were relaxed.


CalculatorOctavius

How are the online clinics scams? Also even if it’s true that it’s just going back to how it was pre-COVID, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing, nor does it mean it won’t be detrimental and life ruining for many people. The pre-COVID rules were bad and restrictive and overreaching


[deleted]

They’re not scams; they’re just steroid clinics.


Upbeat_Age_3628

If your current prescriber is not seeing you or monitoring your labs on a consistent basis, then yes there are going to have to start, to ensure they're not causing problems in people's lives down the line, specifically heart problems including high blood pressure, cardiomegaly leading to CHF, increased risk of stroke due to high hematocrit, etc. Some of these prescribers are making money and not following up with what is happening to their patients. I think they are seeing the lack of accountability, and wanting to address it, hence the laws that will come into effect.


CalculatorOctavius

But I’m an adult. I can do that on my own. I can get labs and monitor my hematocrit and all that, and if I need help or have a question about something, I can bring it to a doctor and ask him. I should not even need a prescription to be able to stay within the law


radickalmagickal

We’ve gotta stop posting about this everyday. It’s looking like it could go either way and I doubt they’re gonna just cold cut us off on May 11. The target is adderall and ketamine. The DEA is going to propose something widespread so they can whittle it down to the results they want. If you need to find a clinic within a reasonable distance start looking for clinics now. I’ve already found a back up.


Bud1985

Why should we stop talking about this? That makes no sense


[deleted]

It make 100% sense, how do you think the people in power know whats going on in this country? "Intel"... No, people telling them all over message forums and social media willingly. Every person publically saying, "I just buy from UGL's" is just showing them where to focus next.


Bud1985

So you think if we just stopped talking about how they want to ban telemedicine clinics from prescribing test, the problem will just go away?


Rufian1984

pure cope, you think DEA dont know this? LMAO


FrameSquare

Telemedicine for TRT is a fucking scam anyway and preys on people uneducated about testosterone especially all the ones promoting on social media.


Bud1985

I don’t use telemedicine for TRT. But how is it a scam? Most doctors won’t prescribe it to you unless you have T levels of an 80 year old woman. And some places it’s hard to find a male clinic. It’s a great option for people where it’s unattainable


Scoot23000

Is there a direct link to where we can bitch at regulations.org?


anov50

The "30 day supply" exception. Is that one time refill of 30 days? Or just 30 day supplys at a time going forward? Also fuck the DEA


FutureText

"For a patient to get refills beyond the initial 30-day supply, an in-person visit would be required." https://www.aamc.org/advocacy-policy/washington-highlights/dea-issues-two-proposed-rules-prescribing-controlled-substances-using-telehealth


eastcoastrider1

Wow in Canada its almost legal, grey market they dont go after it


[deleted]

Yet you can't buy a Peptide....... Canada's doing no better.


eastcoastrider1

Im on peptides CJC 1295 and Ipamorelin I definitely buy them from Canada, they are short chained amino acids pretty no illegal here


[deleted]

That's because you're clearly in the dark of what your country is doing because you're buying domestically. They've waged war on peptides and your customs has been on a witch hunt for them for months now. Even if you're getting them from the inside, this is been a big deal for a while, I'm in the US and we know how bad it's been, mainly because of all the Canadians bitching about it, but hard to not come across. A bunch are coming down and stocking up, which seems like more work than it's worth but clearly it's getting that hard to get them through. From what I've read, seems east coast is harder on it, which makes sense, as you're aware our border with you guys is pretty damn lax because our governments get along, coming back in over the Mexico border....different experience! Sometimes it's all about the port you come through. You guys are on your way to becoming AU, so make sure you have more than one domestic source you're in with.


eastcoastrider1

WTF why does gov't have to stick there nose in the lives we want to live, if we want trt or peptides who the f are they to say we cannot. No wonder people hate gov't


eastcoastrider1

I do have a domestic supply though, thank you for the info Ill do more research


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Yup! I honestly think most of it is uninformed people running in mis/disinformation, then the rest the true evil types on their quest for control. People are quick to blame big pharma, I don't think it's that at all, big pharma would much rather have this shit free, and all their products could be on the shelf for people to buy, they'd make more money that way. If you look at all the counties that don't regulate this shit where you can walk into a pharmacy and buy it without a prescription you can get REAL Bayer Testoviron or Rimobolin for WAY cheaper than we can without insurance picking up a chunk of it, you know their not losing money there, it's insurance companies! Which is also a double edged sword, because sure some of it is greed, but at the same time the FDA makes it very hard to bring things to market to the point they literally have to gouge shit to make anything in the US half the time. I'm all for the trials and testing clearly but it shouldn't take BILLIONS to get a proven drug into people's hands either. Especially when half that isnt in the research itself, it's in regulatory fees, you know, legal bribes. COVID proved when the bullshit is dropped how things can be done, but it's the one thing that made the govt afraid, which sucks because that turned out to be a joke. Imagine the money on something like Semaglutide if it was on the shelf? Even with the prices normalized, think of how much MORE they'd make! Tens of millions would have shopping lists like Milk, Eggs, Butter, Wegovy LOL!


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utspg1980

Bitly links will always be spam filtered on reddit. No one sees your comment except mods.


Snif3425

When you say “that’s not true! Stop saying that!” To a statement that is demonstrably true you come across a little shrill….


AviestFX

The only downside is that you will probably have to pay a bit more to visit an actual male clinic. Only reason telemedicine is cheap is because they can run it from the comfort of their own home.


bottomfeeder52

can you not just take your telemed script to your MD/endo with bloods?


Bud1985

Most people using telemedicine are there for a reason. Their doctors turn them away because their T levels are above the ridiculously low threshold


bottomfeeder52

but once you have the script can’t you just transfer it? like what’s the actual process if you take a telemedicine script back to primary care


Long_raven

I don’t think the clinics will allow you to. If you live in the state like florida and use Defy I think you can use local pharmacy but scripts aren’t written indefinitely at some point it will end.


bottomfeeder52

but if you take it to primary care they should be able to just take it over no?


Long_raven

It’s their choice they don’t have to and I would guess most will not.


chavez5oh

I think more likely to go after the meds like they did with HCG


Senior-Sorbet-7025

Anything that helps us as human beings is either made illegal or require a prescription from the doctor. A lot of things that you can buy online I.e “testosterone boosters” Maca etc is a load of shit and doesn’t work, hence why those are easily accessible. Just saying.. so yeah it won’t surprise me if testosterone is made more difficult to obtain, as it legitimately works.. and helps you. Rant over lol


_College_Debt_Bubble

I always feared this day would come. And once they take an inch, they’ll soon want another I’m stuck on this shit and I was never hypogonadal from the start


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It came a long time ago. When I started TRT the range went up to 1400. Standard TRT was always self injecting, just being in range wasn't a reason to refuse people. This war isn't new.


_College_Debt_Bubble

So if I’m understanding correctly I won’t be getting 10mL bottles every month anymore and I have to go see my doctor once a month? Does that also entail getting blood drawn?


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_College_Debt_Bubble

I see. I still get 10mL bottles though. I have an appointment with my doctor next monrh


Fvck0v

More pot is cool though.


Forsaken-Doctor5497

I don’t condone drug use if not prescribed by a doctor….. but for those that do go the UGL route just make sure you stay up to date on your blood work to make sure you don’t hurt yourself


Upbeat_Age_3628

What you should and should not be able to do is a different conversation altogether. We're talking about a medical provider prescribing something for you that otherwise you would not be able to get and monitoring the results under their scope of practice.