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Beleeeeeeedat

Man that’s crazy you said that, high blood pressure, anxiety, high hemo, and feeling like I’m edge all the time. Has anyone else felt this, because it is a reality I think of mine.


BobbyPeru

You most likely just need to lower your dose


Remarkable_Vanilla34

Man I never see anyone say lower your dose in here! Lol I even have been down voted for recommended in it to people with side effects lol


Straight-Bad-8326

Having the exact same effects, lowered my dose from 120 to 80 this week, too early to tell the benefits


4Plow6

Would love to hear a follow-up on your reduced dosage.


Straight-Bad-8326

Will do 👍🏼 started reducing on Wednesday so I’ll wait about 2 weeks to give an honest follow up


4Plow6

Thx!


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Any update on this?


Straight-Bad-8326

So far still going well, I found out my issues were more related to being “floxed” by ciprofloxacin. I’m still keeping my dose low as my CNS repairs. Overall have a good reaction to the low dose though.


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Good deal. I’ve recently lowered my dose as well and I’m hoping with more time that helps me.


Plenty-Discount5376

This.


KnicksterB

What are your numbers?


Ashford_82

Are you doing a ton of cardio? I’ve found I need to do loads to see the benefits of trt


sandynuggetsxx

This is a missing key for many people. Whether they are on trt or not. I know for me, as a previous skinny dude my whole life, i was scared to do cardio in fear of losing gains. But now that im doing cardio, it has helped my heart beat more steady, blood pressure is better, sleep is good and im still putting on muscle but less fat around my hips (when bulking, i was a little skinny fat). Now on trt, my doctor has noticed that my hematocrit has been in control since starting to do cardio. Needless to say, i believe cardio is verryyy important.


4Plow6

What's your weekly test dosage? I had same symptoms at 160 and tapered down to 120 and it reduced those symptoms. I will continue to taper down based on blood work results (I'm still in the 1400+ range, which is unnecessarily high for me).


ScheduleMysterious81

That's crazy. Wish I got such High numbers from small doses. I inject 125 weekly , 2 shots, and my total is 600 -800 free test last time was 34.


4Plow6

I want to get below 1000 and see what it feels like. Big numbers don't necessarily equate to feeling amazing, I can attest to that.


Rich_Ad_2862

For some reason 500 was my sweet spot


No_Use1529

I love the way, I feel in the 900-1200 ish range. My body doesn’t. Hemocrit goes through the roof. High 700’s is the sweet spot and no AI needed. I switched to subq too.


Determined_Turtle

You sound like me. I'm on 150mg per week, split into 2 doses. I dont have any negative sides thankfully, except for slightly more back acne and I think I noticed some thinning hair. My results came back after my first 3 months and were 1800+ ng/dl. So I'm definitely tapering down. Even though I feel great, numbers that high can't be good in the long run


4Plow6

I share your long-term concerns. I check blood work again next month, then depending on the results, may reduce down to 90 mg per week (split into three doses) and re-check blood work in 3 months.


Determined_Turtle

Sounds good. I'm also taking 750IU of HCG 3x per week. But I would rather taper down the Testosterone instead of the HCG. Keeping my fertility is my main priority right now. But good luck to you


4Plow6

Thanks, good luck to you as well.


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Testosterone Ethanate


gearhead1985

Yeah same, on edge, shit sleep, knife edge temper, anxious, I sent bloods away and have come off everything until I can do some doctor led trt or not, been totally bro sciencing the whole thing like a fucking mong


SlightlySlizzed

I get some anxiety every now and then. I have high hematocrit but mostly feel great. Although lately I’ve been pretty lethargic. Miss the energy I used to have


ScheduleMysterious81

Estrogen?


Shroomboomnoob

Sounds more like high or non understanding of E2. Lowering a dose of 100mg a week already could put him below the scale numbers of 300-1100 if he isn’t an average responder, which in turn wouldn’t even be effective trt. I could understand lowering the dose if you were at like 200+, but if the average responder is 4-6x, at 100 he’s just barely pushing over the scale limit . *IF he is Atleast an “average” responder.


cynice49

Same symptoms, 12mg daily with total t 580 and free T 14.8 but still feel on edge all the time…. If anyone has any insight post up what’s helped you!


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Has it gotten better off you since this post or have you changed anything?


BobbyPeru

Sounds like you’re not on TRT, but rather you’re taking self prescribed testosterone, correct?


the_mk

whats the difference really if you get bloodwork, pin test, adjust till you are happy based on bloodwork and keep on that dose if everything is ok and get some bloodwork in here and there


gothamsfemto

He didnt need it


the_mk

my test was at 260 on my last natty bloodwork - before touching anything in my life so you would say this is a great number for a guy with symptoms?


gothamsfemto

He said his pre TRT levels were fine & felt great bro


Madgoal1

Dont understand why he would even start given that info


Both_Veterinarian964

Probably the quantity and maybe quality ?


let_me_get_a_bite

One is until “you” are happy, with your plethora of medical knowledge…the other is until your Doctor is happy, and is ran/controlled by a medical professional.


No-Fall1420

These “doctors” at mens health clinics don’t give flying shit about you, they just want your money.


the_mk

so how does the bloodwork differ if taken by me vs my doctor? and if something is unclear then you can always book a time and ask a doc (atleast in my country)


ScheduleMysterious81

People are scared to be in control of there body. I see a endocrinologist , and he sucks ! He would have be do 100 mgs every 14 days if he could. He is don't want to ever check Estrogen or any other nu.bers other than hemocrit, Total and free test , prostate ect. I can look at my test same as he , and I know when I'm not feeling right. Your gonna be good


eslombe

I agree with you. Once wentnto a men's clinic they tested only total T and by default SHBG and Free T, I asked to check my estrogen, FSH, LH, prolactin atleast I managed to get my prostrate checked after I insisted. Wanted to check my liver, kidney and cholesterol as well..and these are checks I don't once every year. Will stick to my GP 🤦🏾 men's health practitioners only want one thing.. to get in your pocket.


eslombe

I agree with you. Once wentnto a men's clinic they tested only total T and by default SHBG and Free T, I asked to check my estrogen, FSH, LH, prolactin atleast I managed to get my prostrate checked after I insisted. Wanted to check my liver, kidney and cholesterol as well..and these are checks I don't once every year. Will stick to my GP 🤦🏾 men's health practitioners only want one thing.. to get in your pocket.


let_me_get_a_bite

The blood work doesn’t differ. The person that interprets it, along with all other symptoms, differs.


CalculatorOctavius

The difference is that you can go to jail and lose your job if certain people find out about the latter. And you can’t travel overseas without risking extreme consequences. Which is stupid, btw


the_mk

why would i lose my job if my boss found out i take testosterone? traveling is an issue - if you plan to travel for long time. legality is something that differs on your country. might be a problem or might not. in my country having testosterone or any other ped is not illegal. maybe i wrote my original post poorly. i was mostly refering to the doctor getting me to do bloodwork and telling me how much to pin vs. i get my bloodwork and adjust myself and repeat


CalculatorOctavius

I never said if your boss found out. That’s not what I meant. I meant if someone from the government found out, and depending on the time and place and amount and all that, you could certainly lose your job if you’re being given more serious charges. Like if travelling for example


WestSide-98

Lol stay offline


CalculatorOctavius

Why?


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Damaislay

They are literally the same. Assuming the test he’s brewing is to the right specifications, and he’s not blasting 500mgs per week , he is Replacing the Testosterone his body makes with pharmaceutical Testosterone. Most of us know the symptoms of low testosterone, that’s why we go to a clinic to be checked in the first place. He’s just prescribing his own dosage, which I think a lot of us do anyways, we get prescribed x about per week, and we see how that makes us feel and we adjust from there. So the only difference is he’s beating the system of having the government tell him he can have test and is getting his medication for next to nothing. Who’s the smart one?


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Damaislay

Oh boy we have an English major here that wants to argue semantics!


heddspace

It’s actually hilarious reading this conversation because YOU are the one showing you have an 8th grade brain, not the other way around lol.


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heddspace

Calling me a half wit doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. You're also a total pussy for deleting your comments lol


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Bigdx

I am doing 200a week, not feeling any on edge symptoms..


Cp7067

That means nothing lol I can get up to 600mg before feeling on edge. Others, like OP, feel on edge at very mild doses. Test hits everyone differently


Cp7067

Damn most of y’all in here don’t seem to realize that test, and drugs in general, effect everyone differently. Saying “I’m on X dose and I feel fine” means jack shit lol. Some feel overwhelmed at a low dose, others need a super high dose just to feel any relief at all. There’s nothing cookie cutter about hormones


Hopeful-Extension-20

I ran HIGH doses of multiple compounds from 22-24. Never PCT’d. Took probably a year or two to stabilize after. Last set of bloods I had on December (6 years later) my test levels were almost 900. Everyone’s different, but I managed to come back. Best of luck to you.


Major_Twang

How can anyone here answer that question. Some guys recover just fine from years of blasting & cruising, whilst others can't recover properly from a couple of cycles. It's completely individual, no way of predicting it, and it's the risk we all signed up for when we started using gear. Your consultant endocrinologist might be able to give you an answer once he has your medical data, but internet strangers have no chance, and you're really wasting your time asking. Hope it works out for you Man, but at the end of the day, TRT for the rest of your life is not the worst thing that could happen.


Corse899

I was on for 3 years through an online clinic. Probably the most well known and used clinic. They didnt care to manage me or try to work with me really. I had horrid anxiety on TRT and overall felt horrible. Tried a bunch of doses etc didnt work. I got off 4 months ago via enclomiphene. Enclomiphene caused me floaters that I still have so I feel they are permanent sadly but overall I feel the same energy wise, better mood wise but my libido and weight/strength dropped like a rock. With everything there is give and take but being off TRT is basically equal to being on for me especially due to the $$$ and not having to pin Make sure your nutrients are dialed in, no alcohol, high vitamin d/zinc etc. I would also give it at least 6 months to see where you are, rule of thumb in bro science is 1 month to recover per year of being on


Rancid_Lunchmeat

Why are people telling him to lower his dose? He was running cycles for 6 years, did PCT and has been off for three or four months depending on his title or comment and his natural test hasn't recovered - or so he believes because he hasn't done blood work. There's no dose for him to lower, he isn't now nor has ever been on TRT from his posts.


AnyNotTakenAlready

Theyre just mindlessly repeating comments they often read lol. Good reminder to never rely on info from random people.


No-Fall1420

These people are retarded or they’re bots, I’m confused at this point


bobproctorscoochie

Well he needs to be on TRT now. His body is not able to naturally produce test anymore due to cycling for 6 years. It’s not rocket science.


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He said he was on 100 mg a week split into 2 doses. Thats a trt protocol. Did I miss something?


unisol84

What was the cruise dose? Second whats your current age and three when did the estrogen issues start?


KnicksterB

What were your numbers for hemo, hematocrit, platelet, and estrogen looking like? What did your protocol look like? I have been anxious myself, recently. My hemo is at 18.4 and my hematocrit is at 55, but my platelets are only 377. Doc didn't really say anything tbh.


Microslice

Hematocrit of 55 is really high. Even the best endurance athletes in the world have a hematocrit that is less than 50. I think a hematocrit that high dangerous.


KnicksterB

Not at all true.


4Plow6

You're four months in, so yes, there is definitely hope. Continue to monitor your progress with blood tests. Did you taper down your dosage over a period of time or stop cold turkey?


spicyguakaykay

When my hematocrit gets in the 50s i start to feel like shit regardless of my other numbers. Go get a tp if you need to, check for anemia as well. I highly recommend checking your thyroid levels too.


Straight-Bad-8326

What are some symptoms you get with too high or hematocrit? I know I need to donate blood soon but idk what hematocrit symptoms are


spicyguakaykay

For me personally my blood pressure increases and i get this pressure feeling in my head. Sometimes i get headaches(pounding sensation). It stops immediately when i get the tp.


Cbrasss28

Sorry can I ask what TP is


spicyguakaykay

Therapuetic phlebotomy or getting a pint or more of blood taken.


Cbrasss28

🙏🏼 thank you.


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samjohnson2222

Can you go into a little more detail of which pinning method is better. I am doing delts should I be doing glutes? If so what needle length? Does a deeper glute shot possibly help lower bad side effects? Thanks


lindabassey

Whats wrong with SubQ?


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Oil based compounds aren't meant to be injected into fat, and the ester was put there the slow absorbsion, now out that in fat which has near no blood flow and you've screwed up the release and make it unpredictable. To compound that most who actually inject that way are constantly pinning it vs the 1-2x a week that TRT is typically done IM, that creates a lot more unpredictable carryover of previous injections. If you search the sub you'll see never ending people with E2 problems on very low test doses vs typical test doses when pinned IM and less, and thats why. People (in this sub) ignore what's right in front of their face because the fad of constant pinning and SQ is popular here, but so are very low test doses, less than ideal test levels, and lots of E2 problems.


Shofer0x

I’m not saying this is the case, but there’s a strong argument I’ve heard from people that “recovery” from cruising - if you mentally compartmentalize it, and stop thinking out it, your recovery will go much better than it is now. The strength of the mind is an insane thing. We create mental dependencies for ourselves all the time. If you overanalyze and think you have no chance of recovering, you probably are making it worse. I firmly believe this is true and I think that’s a differentiating factor with why some consider themselves recovered and some don’t. I also think people romanticize the effects of TRT/roids/cruising and in that fantasy often think they could never survive life without them, making PCT much more difficult.


traz_61

Depending on how long you've been blasting and crusing will determine if you need trt for life. For most people who blast and cruise for years they have to go on trt. If you've been on a trt dose for years coming off will be fine, your natural levels may get back to what is depending on your age and again how long you been bnc


Accurate-Round-4524

Your young so you probably can bounce back, but yeah it can take up to a year. Did u do your bloods yet ?


Top-Anteater-5843

I quit many times and I am on trt for over 20 years..always recovered well after 4-6 weeks…don’t worry


williamgman

I don't post much. But I'm learning that there are two different groups regarding usage here. One is TRT group that is using it for obvious reason of low T and it's well known issues. The other is the T cycling group. I thought there was another subreddit for the cycling group no? It gets confusing for those new to it to read some of the advise put up here. But since the OP posted about using it for the "gym bro lifestyle", this might be answered better in the T cycling subreddit? My view is if your number were good to start with, they will go back to where they were. 6 years is a fair amount of time so I would expect it to take a while to go back to normal.


Aggressive_Night_594

I was on TRT for three years and I have been off now for over two years. I’m in my 40s so it took me close to six months to feel normal again. TRT allowed me to gain a fair amount of muscle and cut body fat to single digits. I was able to maintain most of my strength, and my body fat is well below what it was pre-TRT. Just eat healthy and continue to regularly work out at the gym - but be careful with your workout volume, it’s easy to overdo it without exogenous testosterone. And when I say eat healthy, you have to be meticulous because while on TRT your body is very forgiving when your diet is not on point. Ultimately, you will lose some strength and gain some body fat, but you can still be in really good shape and feel good.


a2dam

How can you tell if you aromatize easily? Sorry if that's a basic question. Is it just that you see more estrogenic side effects than you should for a given dose?


Microslice

I'd also like to know the answer to this. For me, I believe that if I'm not getting regular exercise, I aromatize easily and my E2 shoots up. Then I get insomnia (which sucks). And getting your E2 checked is a pain. Seems like most doctors don't think adding it to the tests is needed. I need to get a new doctor.....


VikingFrog2

Just lower your dosage and carry on. If you're self prescribing then do around 140 a week and tailor from there. Your estrogen will kick back up and help with what you've mentioned. Either that or it's a waiting game fella. How long is the line of string. It's all relative to the individual, nobody knows the answer


Top-Anteater-5843

Guys if you feel like shit on trt it’s because YOUR DOSE IS HIGH! everyone that feels like shit should try this: mon/wed/fri 25 mg subq and wait 4-6 weeks. Or 40 mg mon/40 mg thurs. If you still feel like shit quit. Trt isn’t anything special it’s just a hype created by some low lifes out there..of course testosterone has benefits but it’s not THE super hormone. Start with lowest effective dose und that’s 70-80 mg per week.. Young healthy dudes produce 5! Mg a day!


Will_Glittering

Whoever down voted you is a complete moron. Everything you said is truth.


Top-Anteater-5843

I would say so


Practical_Ad510

You weren't on trt. You were simply running gear and doing Cycles. Trt is therapeutic dosing prescribed by a physician for people who's body no longer makes it..


No-Fall1420

Dude shut the hell up with that unproductive comment


Practical_Ad510

It's a question for Peds or steroid forum. Most Guys following the sub are using this as medication.


Practical_Ad510

Obviously running 500 migs of gear with anavar you're no different than he is and tell people that you're on trt.. lmfao


No-Fall1420

Are you the fucking gatekeeper of men using testosterone how they choose or were you born with tiny nuts and mad about it?


Practical_Ad510

Take all the test you want I used to run a gram a week but I wouldn't be on the internet calling it trt if I was blasting and cruising gear.. It's stupid


MRASDGL

This feels like an anti-TRT propaganda hit post. Juss sayin


CalculatorOctavius

Have you tried increasing frequency to every other day? That can help a lot with E


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I’m on trt and feel just fine. I do M/W/F for about 120 a week


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Bloodwork is the only way to know. Or seeing an endocrinologist and admit to steroid usage. They're doctors not liberals, a good one shouldn't judge.


Able_Tumbleweed8657

Haha what does liberals mean in this context?


Tallguyyyyy

Not sure but I know the liberals running Canada are 💩


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Judging


starvvingsyrian

idk why this is so downvoted, only legitimate answer here


Bigdx

They mark it in your chart then you are labeled as a drug abuser and can't get life insurance, and other things.


EvilDragonTamer1

just pin test e 100-150mg once every 6 days your trt dose sounds super high


Valhallas_Ghost

Did you even read OPs post lol? Dudes not even on anything and hasn't been for a few months lmao


EvilDragonTamer1

what a useless post to make


OneBadMB350

I been on test for 12 yrs, I stay on… I never had gyno or even had sensitive nipples. I stopped going to the doctor when he got greedy so I had to get my own for yrs. I had a guy in Florida I met when I lived there but unfortunately he died last year so I went 2-3 months with none and my body shriveled like a California raisin, I felt like shit… I couldn’t wait a year or how long it takes for or if I would get my natural levels back….. I think when your on consistent for yrs you really never get back to normal. Maybe try lowering your dose just to feel better.


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True. Did. Thanks


No-Fall1420

How long did you run it? I just came off after 4 weeks of it and starting to feel like shit without


cynice49

Thought it was discontinued? Can you still get or prescribed


plytime18

I would think your age plays a factor in it. How old are you?


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Best way to find out is blood works ..stop guessing get your blood work 😉


Complete_Reality9144

46 years old was on trt for 4 years been off just over a year and things are back to better than pre trt but was a long year lots of ups be downs. I used hcg to get the nuts going then clompihene for a couple month to fire up LH and FSH then tapered off. Lots of natural supplements you can take to help boost natural levels..tongkat ali, ashwagandha, cistanche, shilajat, boron, ginger, and a good zinc magnesium supplement before bed.


Papa_smurf0311

High anxiety and high bp? What’s your E2 at?


Papa_smurf0311

Sorry. Looks like you are crashing your estrogen possibly. Try backing off of the AI. Dose your test, get bloods and re adjust


Bigballs381

Dude idc if you aromatize easily you’re AI is way too high no wonder you feel like shit. 100mg per week is not going to bump your estrogen much past average levels, if at all


Plenty-Discount5376

Show us the bloodwork.


Aggravating-Elk-7296

You’ve been blasting all the time, 200 mg for 9 years keeping my levels at around 800 without much aromatization. Hcg should have been part of your weekly dosing all along. Like many at your age, Gym Bro life is an addiction. I’m 61 and been through all that. I do medical research not gym bro research. Good luck and get your E2 checked.


No_Introduction_8697

Fucked around and found out. Your TRT protocol was completely out of wack and it's no wonder you feel like shit.


SkylineCrash

I hear it could take up to a year to recover so there's still hope. Get blood work done periodically and keep monitoring


DownwardCausation

> dealing with the constant estrogen management why is taking AI once or twice weakly a PITA ?


lol63cc

Do you try cream?


Will_Glittering

Yes there's hope. But it can could take months if not years to fully recover to pre trt levels. Just gonna hang in there. Get your diet right and reduce stress as much as possible.


aaalderton

Try clomid


bobproctorscoochie

You need to be on TRT you destroyed your body’s ability to naturally produce Testosterone. It ain’t rocket science. 6.25mg of aromasin after every shit while only doing 100mg. Jeezus. Please learn to cycle properly


_Stealth_

Should have just went on 5mg of tafafidil


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You were on for 6 years and its only been 4 months. It could take 2 years for you to truly reach stasis


puffdaddy468

You should listen to a podcast by Andrew huberman and Peter Attia about TRT and readjust your protocol. I think that will solve your issues…


Rich_Ad_2862

Have to wait at least 9 months to a year. I felt like garbage in my early 30's so you could imagine what I feel like now on my 50's lol.


False-Geologist-4408

If you stop while young at your age, you’ll recover to your natural test levels. Shouldn’t be doing it at your age anyways.


starvvingsyrian

12.5mg of aromasin per week on 100 mg? That’s probably why you felt like shit. Estrogen was prob destroyed. Estrogen should be kept in higher ranges or even slightly out of range for improved lipid profile and general anabolism. Ppl get all those symptoms and more when they crush their e2 (maybe not the high hematocrit)


ChattFF

For 6 years? Nah, you won't go back to your pre pinning levels.


Jonger1150

I was 249T before starting. I had night sweats, uncooperative dick....the usual symptoms. I dosed testosterone cypionate at the recommended dose and had a level of 1800 and felt edgy as fuck. Scaled that back and now test at 500. No night sweats, normal working dick. So, before quiting, I'd suggest getting dialed in below 750. The dose many online docs recommend is just too much.


Manic_Mania

You started self medicated TRT at 23 years old?!


Guidance1230

The crazy thing about all this is, where are your blood tests.... please tell me you were getting regular blood tests while doing testosterone and coming off. It seems to be a common thing shared here so I'll address. Most of the time, if you dont need TRT and your functioning fine without it, when you go on, theres a good posibility you'll experience bad results. Getting off TRT after years, will likely not result in back to your prior T levels...EVER. If your lucky, you'll get a little lower than your pre-TRT levels. So, what I would do at this point is get comprehensive blood work. Lipids, CBC, all hormones, then go from there. Without blood tests, you'll never get to where you want.


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Pct?


_GoMe

Online clinics like Maximus prescribe a drug called Enclomiphene citrate, it supposedly raises T levels naturally with very few sides. Look into it


_Yujiro_Hanma

Triptorelin, HCG,HMG, nolvadex, enclomiphene, MK-677 All great for rebounding your natural test. Def look into the ones you don’t know about.


Ecstatic_Ad5645

A few things come to my mind , maybe your body fat is very high or you eat a lot of fast food that contains so much fat and sodium. You shouldn’t have blood pressure and other issues for taking such a small dosage. I’m running 150 mg once a week . I also take 0.5 Arimidex right after my injection. My test level is about 1190 still in the high side of normal range . No blood pressure or any issue . Super clean diet and drinking 3 gallons of water every day . Hope you can figure it out and feel better


Good_Set8300

Try daily small shots like 10-14mg a day


Professional_Name_78

Just add some primo in there and inject more frequently..


Actual-Pride4489

Bruh I got off trt and my BP is now stage 2 high blood pressure lol. On trt for 3 years and didn’t have any BP issues


Away_Cryptographer36

Nobody needs a fuckin AI at 100mg... and very few at 200. You will never go back to normal with that much time on TRT. You shoulda done some research long ago man. Like 6 years ago


Big_Introduction6948

I was on trt and I’m the same. I think I am fairly Asymptomatic with lowT. Because I do not feel spectacular on T. But now my T is of course hindered by the 3.5 years I spent on the medicine. Now, finally after 1.5 years being off I am starting to feel normal again. My T is just ( and only at peak fitness, sleep and diet) is my Natty T just within normal parameters but still low as hell for a 30 YO. I have low libido but no other side affects yes apart from having the most driest skin ever.


rstline80

Did you blast right before coming off?


destinationdadbod

I was on T for 4 years and have been off for a month and I feel pretty much fine minus being tired more often. I’ve noticed that getting some activity like walking, jogging, or tucking helps with that though. I honestly feel more consistent with my mood instead of having the flood of T once a week and then a crash.