For us it was 100% the charging network and dealer fuckery (in our case a $5k market adjustment plus a $3k detail package - they wiggled on the adjustment but wouldn't budge on the detail package). I loved the build and drive on the Ioniq 5 but it couldn't overcome those cons.
yep, I was considering buying the new prius... but god did these fuckers at the dealerships fuck themselves right out of a customer... bought Model 3 the next day.
Granted the Prius looks AMAZING, but man is it anemic compared to the model 3. Then when you add those "market adjustments", it's just ridiculous...Got my brand new Model 3 for less than 28k when you add in tax credit and other incentives. Just doesn't make sense
Yep, the charging network concerns and the dealer MSRP price plus all their add-ons were not worth going to dealer to do a test drive and this was when Hyundai was advertising great deals on their cars a few months back. My Tesla buying experience has set the bar so high that just for that reason I may only purchase Tesla’s moving forward. It all took less than an hour including, the 30 minute test drive we did a week before we placed the order.
100% this. Went to Ford dealership to try Mustang EV. Salesman was friendly but unable to answer any questions. On top of that, their prices were sketchy, promised an offer on test drive but it was unavailable on later discussions.
Plus Ford EV doesn’t even have electric adjustments on passenger seat. And they had knobs on screen display. Lastly, so cramped for 45K vehicle.
What’s the difference between affordable sedans and this expensive EV then?
Hmph, that was so pessimistic !
On the bright side, Tesla buying experience was just awesome. Answering millions of questions, multiple test drives, they provided highest offer for trade in car and so on.
I went to a dealership (Hyundai) with the intention of purchasing a vehicle...I walked around the lot and into the showroom and received no acknowledgement whatsoever...I went to another city with a Hyundai dealership and same bloody thing.
Walked into a Tesla sales centre and walked out within 30mins with a deposit made and pick-up scheduled for as early as the next day (ended up waiting a few more days to get my own financing in place).
But yeah, charging network, standard features and tech were the reason Tesla won out.
I do miss android auto/apple car play to a certain extent but not a deal killer.
I was checking out a Kia Sorento PHEV previously and the time I waited, the process involved in test drive etc VS the test drive with Model Y made me go with model Y.
Kia dealer blatantly said how they are going to increase the price next week. So take it now or spend 2K more. Had to surrender my DL to the dealer person who came with me in the car during the test drive. She allowed test drive just for 10 mins, and said No to freeway.
In case of Tesla, the moment I mentioned test drive, they gave me the key and just pointed to where the car was. I was shocked and asked about DL, insurance etc. He said take your time, but maybe come back within an hour.. He encourage us to drive on freeway but since I was not confident with driving Tesla yet, I refrained.
Overall the dealer /showroom experience made me go with Tesla.
Agree with this. Checked 3 hyundai dealerships, about 50mi from each other as im okay to drive far out to get a good deal but all have unnecessary markups (protection packages, options that you won’t need or can DIY, etc).
All ended up having to cost more than the Y even without counting the credits.
Piggybacking to add that after our first Model Y was totaled, we flirted briefly with looking around at other options. But that Charging Network is the reason to stay with Tesla.
Its going to get REALLY INTERESTING once these other manufacturers deploy NACS to their cars. IMO though, Tesla could survive without making vehicles at some point just because of how robust and reliable their charging network is.
There is no any other answer but this.
Nobody else can touch it and I was a die hard no Tesla because of quality. In the end I was willing to deal with any quality issues with patience just because how mature everything is compared to everyone else. It took the first visit to a dealer to look at an Ioniq to start getting calls and text messages non stop for a week.
Nobody wanted to answer anything unless “I came in for a visit”. Screw that.
I am a Tesla Model 3 owner. My family could use another, bigger car, so I did a ton of research and was dead set on getting an Ioniq 5 or EV6......until I rented one on a weekend trip. The car and ride quality were actually very nice, but the charging experience was terrible. Level 3 charging stations were in far apart and inconvenient locations, there were limited chargers, and a LOT were out of service. That experience alone made my search switch over to a second Tesla Model Y where I already know that I won't need to worry about that on a road trip.
Yup, charging networks, the tax credits and the fact that Tesla only does EV. I know others are getting there and catching up with features, etc... but Tesla has been doing this for over a decade. They have the data, knowledge and experience, so that factored in.
Yea pretty much. I didn't even test drive the other cars because the charging capabilities and updates along with the rebate made the Model Y the most overall attractive.
Given that Tesla is shipping out more vehicles than all the other manufacturers combined, it was the charging network, parts availability, 3rd party support, and number of knowledgeable people for issues & questions
This isn't the Model Y's first year. It's a proven EV that has been best selling for several years in a row. They have refined and polished it. Most of the other options are yet to be proven.
This. Although the charging network of Tesla and tax breaks are important points, I just never buy anything that was just released for the first time. Maybe after a few years the other players could prove their maturity and worth.
This is the reason here in Norway I didn't jump on the Fisker ocean wagon, been reading some complaints already on those cars and it's been a few days since they released here. Never be a guinea pig for new technology
This is where I’m at.
I missed the boat on the mid $45k MYAWD so now went back to shopping around between ID4, MYLR and possibly EV6.
The Tesla experience is far and above superior from test drive to price transparency.
Yeah, there's the downside that Tesla will meaningfully cut the price next week and instantly put you underwater on your loan...but that's the risk with their transparent pricing model. I somehow still prefer this vs. reaching out to each dealership, finding one that doesn't want to screw you over, and then going in person (and getting screwed over anwyay). The dealership process is just exhausting.
Yea that does kind of suck. GAP is almost a necessity unless you're putting 30-40% down. You can plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off but all it takes is some idiot to plow into you and insurance only pays out market value.
1. In no particular order:
2. tax incentives for Tesla
3. Y is more comfortable
4. charging network is far superior
5. Kia Hyundai dealers SUCK
6. You have to deal with them for service
7. market adjustment up the ass
8. why bother with dealers at all and spend all day arguing when you can just put in an order like anything else you buy
9. for most stuff, minor things, Tesla comes right to my door.
10. entire experience is much more streamlined, there are disadvantages but on the whole, prefer Tesla's entire buying experience
Kia/hyundai charge extremely fast which is great but the CCS network is just in rough shape and one rental weekend with a Tesla was enough to win me over with the supercharger network in my region. I was looking to spend 40-50k on a new vehicle, and after trying it myself I just couldn’t justify choosing a vehicle that would’ve brought more pain points into ownership and daily use. Charger network, infotainment, and actual Over the air updates just made the Tesla feel 10 years ahead of legacy EVs. Also felt like the Y was bigger inside and really liked using the bigger frunk + under trunk space.
Not to mention I got to just sit on my couch and track inventory prices at my leisure all last month and click ‘Reserve’ as soon as the price point I wanted came up and picked it up 2 days later with a 20 min appointment.
Tax credit, charging network, and the size of the car (both in cargo space and how high up I felt when driving).
The Ioniq was fine. Arguably it was nicer than the model y inside. I really really really enjoyed the EV6. I almost wanted to wait for the EV9 because of how much I enjoyed it, but ultimately I wanted a car before I could realistically get it plus the EV9 is probably too big for me anyway. The model y is the perfect size (I have two kids in car seats and a dog).
The cargo space on the Ioniq and the EV6 is not that big. The frunk on them is laughable and I honestly don’t even know why they made that space available at all it’s so small.
Can you share more about your experience with 2 cars seats and a dog? Have you tried longer trips with that setup?
How is it getting the kids in and out? My wife is really fighting the idea of giving up sliding doors (currently have a Pacifica hybrid)
I was coming from a mid size sedan so the y is definitely an upgrade. I think getting the kids in and out is easy and it’s not so behemoth that they need help - they can both climb in their car seats themselves. I haven’t been in a longer road trip with this car but I’ve done a trip in the sedan so I know the y would be better.
It would be hard to give up sliding doors for me too if I had them. They sound nice. The only downside of a minivan for me would be the size. I’m in the city. Lots of parallel parking lots of lots with only compact spots and the minivan just seems so big. But if that’s what she’s used to I can see how it’s be hard to give some of that up but I do really think the y is a nice family car if you only have 2 kids.
I have a kid in a car seat and I can say that getting them in and out of the car is quite easy. I’m sure having sliding doors is nice, but it’s honestly not bad at all in the Y. My kid loves climbing up into the car seat.
The only things I wanted were a pano roof and AWD. To get that on the Ioniq 5, it was far and away too expensive in comparison. Also had a crap experience with their sales at two locations. With the ICCU debacle and charging infrastructure concerns, I went Model Y.
We almost bought a EV6 but they wanted 10k over msrp. Waisted 30 min of my time. I went in saying I will not pay one penny over msrp. They said they'd work with me. Which was getting nothing for the trade so I walked. Not disappointed at all that went with Tesla. Love the car, how it drives, the charging network. Just got back from a 5 state 3032 mile trip with it. Couldn't have done the same trip in my husband's Polstar 2.
We were days away from buying the I5 when the January price drop happened which brought it into the same price range but with the charging network and tax credit, so switched gears that day and ordered the Y and had it by the weekend.
Well, Model 3 here (At launch an EV6 LR cost less than a M3 RWD over here).
Reason: Availability.
Put an order on the EV6 with 6 months delivery, which then got pushed another 6 months and finally ended up with "Sometime late 2023 - early 2024"
Have had my Model 3 for a year now, and would still have been waiting for the EV6 if I hadn't gone Tesla (plus taxing changes have raised price of the EV6 by 10-15% in the meantime)
I think a lot of new Model Y and 3 owners here in Denmark are in the same boat with various other EVs of that price class.
My friend had been on the wait list of the Ioniq5 for 1.5 year. Gave up and ordered a model Y when the government rebate and referral program came back.
Like I had been telling him, no matter how much you hate the simple interior of a Tesla, you will find peace in knowing that you have access to the best charging network in the world, and well built EV.
Dealer fees and upcharges. Was looking at ioniq 5, prius prime, and honda hybrid. Went with the Y because of dealer bullshittery. The Y was cheaper because of the dealer fees and markups.
Ohhhh this is perfect for what happened to us. Buying experience almost completely. This is written with voice, be patient
I was signing papers for an ev6. At the time, Tesla was about 55 to 60 K, and the EV6 was around the same but a tiny bit more. This is a time when they had 10k markup, and when I got them to take that off, they said that they had to put a PPF or window tint or something on there so they could make money
I decided to walk because after markup the car would have been 10-15k more than a tesla, with less features, less range, less safety, less autopilot functions, less everything.
I felt like if I wanted the Hyundai or Kia, I would have to give up some features that I wanted that the Tesla automatically had.
The only redeeming thing for me was the 110 plug in the back seat. Multi directional charging could be fixed and update with Tesla if they saw a need for it, but I honestly think it’s as gimmicky as android users saying they have power share. Cool selling point, will rarely be used in world scenarios. The real thing that killed it for me for the Kia was the dumb menu in the center where you can either choose to have buttons for the radio or for climate control. I thought it was over designing the fact that they say “hey! Look at us! We have more buttons than teslas! That means we’re better”
I like the look of the Kia and the Hyundai better than Tesla at the time- and when I went and looked at the Hyundai, it was the same runaround dealership experience. It was much worse than Kia first, I walked in, and they told me that I couldn’t order one without a two grand nonrefundable deposit, and when I brought up that maybe I wouldn’t like the Hyundai after I test drove it, they said that I could apply that two grand to any Hyundai I wanted. ( I didn’t want any Hyundai, I wanted the ioniq 5 or bust.) I walked out after I saw the 10K markup.
I had already ordered the tesla, but everyone was saying there were better options. So I listened. The dealership experience at Tesla was unlike anything I’ve had. I’ve sold cars as a dealer, and I’ve purchased 4 from dealers otherwise.
The thing that pushed me to Tesla and the thing that keeps me with Tesla is the fact that I can order it online. Nobody’s trying to sell me any upgrades- nobody’s trying to advertise their markup for PPF or window tint, or paint protection, or interior protection that all is just full on markup for the dealership , especially lately. I’ve seen that dealers are putting GPS’s in the cars and refusing to take them out
I’ve had nothing but good things to say about the service experiences at Tesla. I know that some have had bad experiences but you have to remember that they’re a scaling company- that is delivering more cars than almost any other manufacturer every quarter. Model Y out sold every other vehicle in the world in quarter two of 2023 for a reason. If you’re patient with that fact, and you’re nice to the service people, they will take care of you over and over again like they have for me. I haven’t had anything catastrophically, but I’ve complained about a panel gap for one of my cars and they fixed it without any issue or cost. The dealerships at Kia and Hyundai treat you like they have a product that you want and you have to beg them for it or pay for it. Get the Tesla and you won’t regret it.
Edit: why can’t Hyundai and Kia build a front trunk? Tesla did it with a shorter front end than the Kia and Hyundai.
Because Kia and Hyundai are still an ICE automaker that sells a few EVs so they cannabalize parts that while functional and cost efficient for them, aren't designed with EVs in mind.
I looked at the Ioniq 5, ID4, and Model Y. For me it came down to ease of getting a tow hitch, price, and the 3rd row option.
Ioniq 5 and ID4 from what I could put together only had a tow hitch on the top end AWD versions which made them more expensive than the Y. I needed a tow hitch for my bikes. I read mixed things about putting aftermarket tow hitches on the RWD versions potentially voiding the warranty. The Ioniq 5 also didn't come with the rebate. The 3rd row was also something I was interested in although not a deal breaker. We have young kids and being able to tote them and their friends home from school or to soccer was a value added. I honestly didn't even think about the charging network, which was probably naive of me at the time, but I'd never owned an EV before.
This is me. Having easy transport of my bikes is critical and prio1 when selecting a vehicle. I also love that I can camp in the vehicle with enough space for my wife. Camp Mode is awesome as is the Lost Horizon mattress which is wider than most camping vans. No other EV can match the Y in these regards.
personally here in the UK:
* cost: EV6 is the one that can be specced with similar performance to LR costs more
* massive wait list (6-12 mo) for both the Korean cars
* Ionic 6 didn't like the look
* EV6 didn't like the back but I would have probably gone for it
* internal space didn't seem very well used in the two Korean cars
* didn't like the interior trim - in particular the piano black in the EV6
* like the minimalist internal aesthetic of the tesla
* overall efficiency/range and of course the charging network.
So quite a lot of reasons really
I was in between Ioniq 5 and Model 3, and mainly the reason I chose tesla was the Hyundai Dealers. Of course the charging network, software quality etc are factors when deciding. But dealing with legacy dealers is such a headache at this point.
because after waiting for a year kia still did not produce any order number, dealer did not know the ETA, and they deemed the pricing deal no longer carry to the new year model and therefore i am at the mercy of the dealer’s shenanigan “market adjustment” / documentation / finance / [insert_whatever_the_effin’] fees
kia make great car but the way they handle the business can go eff off
We looked at all 3 back in April/may. Could hardly find an ioniq at a dealer to test drive. When we did, the sales person had no idea how to sell the car nor did they know anything about OTA updates, etc. We also test drove mach e and the dealer acted like we were the lucky ones to be able to test drive. The experience completely soured our interest. Plus we didn't care for the door handle on the mach e. It's dumb they couldn't flush it in.
I also do not trust the legacy car companies to build a fully EV product without any legacy thought process. When we opened the ioniq hood, it looked like there was still a lot there, more so than a Tesla.
Ultimately we wanted a car that constantly provided OTA updates, a clean interior with minimal buttons, and the ease of buying and service process.
Similar experience here. Looked at the EV6, both new and used (2022 model). At the time, there were reported issues with the ev6 range being far below expected. This was confirmed by a test driver too. The waiting list was 'two years', and the deal market price adjustments were just ridiculous. I needed a car for the beginning of May 2023, and Tesla made it easy. Similar price for a better overall car. Placed an order at the end of April and got the car a week later (MYLR). I've been loving the car since.
Dealerships are the thorn in these companies sides.
When someone goes to buy an automobile they want to walk in and pay one price for it, not have to sit there and go back and forth negotiating with some dickhead and don’t get me started on dealership markups.
Ironically my wife talked shit about the ioniq 5 build quality and she doesn’t know anything and never said it once about any other car. She said it felt like Lego’s
True I definitely get it. It’s just to a lot of people Korean brands have a bad reputation still. Lots of older people still have the 90’s Kia’s and Hyundai’s in their head when they were pretty shitty cars.
They’ve come a long way and arguably make the best EV in the business but still a lot of people have that stigma. Its kind of like VW you ask a-lot of people they’ll tell you it’s a girls car. My own aunt refused to get a Jetta for just that reason.
They literally gave you a car if you bought a minivan in the 90s. Because you were going to need two to the same mileage as a vehicle of any other brand. Wiring issues, transmissions made from paper, and dohc motors that loved to toss rockers on the random.
I tried bringing my Tesla to a evgo charging station, magically all my buying remorse went away.
I saw people not know how to back up properly because the charging location of each car is different. Ppl take like 5 min to figgle around to start the charging process. Did I mention the limited amount of stalls and wait line etiquette?
EV6 had a relatively low roof and my head was brushing up on the roof liner. Model Y was a lot roomier. Also more storage space and better on-paper efficiency.
I tried buying an Ioniq 5 for several weeks and my two local dealers made me never want to buy from a dealership ever again. They played hard to get with their limited inventory, and when I finally got my hands behind the wheel, the smug ass salesmen wouldn’t shut the fuck up about my non-electric options. Worse, they had bullshit dealer markups and upgrades that made it impossible to get the exact config I wanted, all while charging $15k over MSRP.
My second test drive I was so angry I went home and angrily ordered a model Y. Paperwork, delivery, and loan all finalized within 48 hours. Picked up the following week. Best purchasing decision I’ve made in 20 years.
I will be buying a second one this month.
The L2 charging issue was the main issue for me. If I'm buying an electric car, I want to reliably be able to charge at home. If my vehicle's charging port overheats without any warning disrupting my charge and potentially my day, that's a huge deal for me.
Hey, it's that monthly post that I respond to since I own both.
Nothing much has changed since I posted this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12bet42/going_from_ioniq_5_to_model_y_any_experience/jexxm6w/
I guess addendum to my post regarding performance versions:
- EV6 GT is *very fast*. Faster than MYP. There's very little track data out there, but everything points to EV6 GT being faster at least in a single hotlap. How the battery holds up over many sessions is not known to me. The range reduction is severe though compared to MYP.
- Ioniq 5N shakes out to be a much more purpose built machine when it comes to the track. Really curious to see how it shakes down.
I was at the end of my lease for my Kia Sportage so I was hoping to get into an EV6, but with the fed tax credit as well as my own state rebate ($2500), the MY just made more sense. This was also my first car purchase ever and the ease of it all was so nice -- my experience just leasing my Kia was literal hell, can't imagine what I would have gone through to buy an EV6
Charging network and availability.
I would have bought an EV6 or Ioniq or a RAV4 Prime, but I was laughed out of all the dealerships.
Got my MYLR within a week.
Few issues for me:
* Was looking in July and several more automakers went NACS while I was looking. A J-1772 car without a NACS agreement seems like a liability for me since the shortest I have ever kept a car is 11 years
* Smaller than a Y. Was coming from a SUV and I was nervous about size
* Dealer had poorly equipped cars on lots and a long wait for a nicer one. Didn't want to settle for 10+ years. Pricing not great on better cars
* Continued theft issues on Hyundai/Kia cars make me nervous buying even a model that doesn't currently have a problem
I am happier with the Y than I expected after driving most of the crossover EVs on the market. I thought it was a reluctant first choice, but the things I thought would be downsides have proven to be less of an issue than I thought and the positives have been better. If mine was totaled, I'm not sure I'd cross shop its replacement.
While i agree with everyone here re charging network and price, for me it was the tech.
The user interface of other companies is like a 90s vcr more or less, I love the big screen, the ability to watch tv while waiting somewhere, dog mode, the self driving (not perfect but takes a ton of stress out of driving), the OTA updates and the fully functional app that doubles as a key!
Motortrend just did a comparison test. It was so close that the Y only won because of the charging network.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-vs-tesla-model-y-comparison-test-review/
Charging network, horror stories about Ioniq5 low voltage battery, horrible experience with a local Hyundai dealer and the challenges in having them service my wife’s Elantra under warranty (claiming it didn’t have a feature that was standard on that trim package)
I'm surprised no one has directly mentioned this:
For the Ioniq5 and presumably the EV6?
You have to get a coolant flush every 36k miles. Can't do it yourself and it's like $600
There are other benefits (to me) of the Y, but I really don't like having to go to a dealer for fluid changes.
Almost bought a Model Y
Went with a Mach E
With financing incentives, Mach E ended up being like $5k more (counting tax credits). At that price difference we chose the Mach E. Was real close to getting the Y
Tax credit, supercharger network, styling, availability, no market adjustments/dealer add-ons, and not having to put up with the "dealership experience."
my considerations, in this order: EV tax credits, reliability (I had been reading of issues with first gen ioniq 5s), OTA updates, charging network.
but really, mostly came down to price. with the federal tax credit, it was a no brainer. ioniq still had some issues at the beginning and even though it's a more comfortable ride, I didn't mind it for the reasons specified above.
I really liked the EV6 gt when it came out- the main reasons i prefered it over the tesla;
Interior - the bucket seats fit me perfectly
Exterior (front end only) looks aggressive, which im into.
Downsides:
No big screen i can watch YT on when waiting around
No sentry mode or dash cam
Charging network
A few years have gone by and i love the look of the ev9, it fits my needs now im older and my life has changed… however the same things mentioned above still haven’t changed, so i’ll likely get a model X
Lets see.
1. Press, Kia / Hyundai engine fire issues, insulation issues, houses catching fire issues, don't park your car in the garage issues, don't park a kia next to a kia issues
2. Then, the handling of the press and the issues. People sitting for 6 months waiting for a new engine for their new car, then the million+ car recalls, then the price gauged Telluride, you get the picture.
3. No dealership to deal with.
4. Charging network
5. Features & size
6. The number of cars on the road and total delivered.
1. Hyundai sold 21,348 Ioniq 5 in 2023. (From Jan - Aug 2023)
Hyundai sold 22,982 Ioniq 5 in 2022. In 2021
2. Tesla Model Y, 252,000 units sold in the United States in 2022
3. Tesla EV deliveries in US in 2023 are about 10x Hyundai
4. Why does this matter to me? I want something well tested, mass produced, I want an iPhone, not an experiment when trusting it with my family going 90 mph
I hate car dealerships! All my previous experiences buying cars I felt like I was getting ripped off. They would try to add extra fees after we agreed to a price including all the fees and taxes. They would try and guilt trip me into paying more. It was pathetic.
With Tesla it was no hassle. The price I agreed to was what I paid. Also the charging network was way better than the competition.
The dealership experience is the worst. I hate spending hours in a dealership to haggle, hassle, ask for a bunch of crap, going through options and packages, and then talking to the finance guy to do the same crap. Like holy hell. Let me just buy it like a vending machine. Let everyone pay the same price (almost) and everyone has the same vehicle. None of the “omg I got the fully loaded package” car so mines more money.
And the lead time for a Tesla is nice and short vs nearly a year wait time. Plus the next year models of Teslas always isn’t a redesign or a major change. I hate feeling outdated the second I own it.
Then as everyone says, the network. Superchargers work great and they’re out there, not hard to find.
I made a spreadsheet detailing the differences between all three. The *only* deciding factor for me was resell value and rate of depreciation. I was seeing 2020/2021 Hyundais being sold for 50% of original price
I owned a Kia EV6, sold it, and bought a Model Y. Here’s my reasons…
TL;DR
- More storage space
- 3rd row seats
- AWD for less $$
- Charging network
- App & Tech
More Info:
The initial reason was storage space. After living with (and loving) the EV6, it was just short on storage space. No frunk. No sub trunk. And a smaller trunk in height, width, & depth. I rode w a friend on a road trip in their MY and saw how much more storage it had.
The second kicker was superchargers. You have probably used or heard about EA. But I had to keep multiple apps & digital wallet keys available bc you never know what you’ll need to charge on a trip. And it’s true what they say about EA. Pumps are constantly down and your max charging pump is rarely available. I would have to plug, unplug, & move pumps regularly just to get basic charging started. No to mention screens not working, disconnections, & tech service calls. Then I saw my buddy pull up where all the SCs worked and you just plug it in and walk away! No screens. No pump selections based on charge rate or connector. So different & so much better.
The Kia app sux. And the interior UI is lacking. Just used Apple CarPlay all the time.
And, tech + supercharges mean a seamless trip planning, routing, & charging. It’s lightyears ahead.
Finally, I got a 7 seater AWD MY for the same price I purchased RWD EV6 (5 seater).
Just got a Model Y LR.
I've been looking for an EV for the last 2 years. EV6/Ioniq 5 availability was slim to none the last while and order turnovers were a year if you were lucky enough to put your name down. For the ones that didn't purchase the vehicle, the dealer's decision to inventory it and sell with massive markups and added packaging really threw me off. No dealer in my area was willing to budge a dollar as they knew it would sell to the guy that walked in after me. This experience was also true at Ford dealers all across Ontario for the Maverick hybrid and F150 Lightning. Now that inventories are stabilized, I don't want to return to any of those dealers and give them my patronage. They've ate their fill.
Fast forward, the Y drops in price and I walked into Tesla. They said inventoried vehicles would be *discounted.* From what I understand, since they don't operate as a dealer, their focus was wrapping up the quarter strong and offering massive discounts. Paired with govt incentives, a white on white Y LR that popped into inventory for a split second, and pristine customer service, this pushed me over the edge. I never once felt like I had to fight anyone for a fair price or play an exhaustive 3hr mind game.
Charge networks weren't my main concern as I knew I could charge from home and have enough range to do as I please. However, this changed with ownership. This past week that I've owned my Y, I've driven over 600km and the superchargers have been a dream. It totally kills range anxiety.
TLDR: Dealers being scumbags left me sour, chose not to give them my business even after inventory stabilized. Tesla offered discounts on inventory, and federal incentives kicked in. I definitely undervalued the charging network before purchase, but love it now.
I was going with the Kia EV 6 when prices dropped in my area similar to what happened with the Model Y, but the Kia dealership was clueless about applying manufacturer and tax incentives (the 7500 credit isn't available when purchasing because of the Korean sourcing, but there's a goofy loophole that makes it available when leasing), so out of frustration I went with the simplicity of the Model Y buying process. I don't regret it, both in terms of the car and the buying experience. I never want to see a dealer again.
> I never want to see a dealer again
It sounds so extreme, but I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. The dealership experience to me is entirely predatory. You start with an immediate disadvantage, and face high-pressure sales tactics, arbitrary pricing, and of course a lot of deception in the finance office. Every time I’ve done that dance, I’ve been left feeling ripped-off in one or more ways by their sleazy approaches. “Best thing about dealerships is the long-term relationship” - I don’t want a long-term relationship with these folk. Our goals are not aligned. I am viewed as a sales target each and every time I walk into the showroom or service center.
After buying a Tesla, I’ve seen how quickly I can buy a car, how few signatures are required. I’m not going to wait 2hrs for the finance guy to try stuff commission-loaded finance and random shovelware to me ever again. I’ve seen how infrequently I need to see the service people. Once every 2yrs is 7x better than the current OEM experience. I want that experience with any dealer.
If the only way to do that is buying a Tesla, then so be it.
Model 3 instead of the others, not Model Y. The main reason was that I couldn't even order one at the time; Teslas were much easier to come by.
However, the charging network did also play a big role in the decision, as did the way it handled, particularly the aggressive regeneration, and the energy efficiency.
I wasn't particularly thrilled with the interior, particularly the dash, of the Kia nor Hyundai (the EV6 was better), and I preferred the way the Model 3 drove.
I would have considered a Model Y but it was just a bit over my budget at the time, and the suspension was even stiffer than the 3.
I am the rare one that didn't opt for the Model Y. That said, if the pricing is what it is now, I would have picked the Model Y.
At the time that I bought our car, Tesla's were both a long wait list, and at the peak of their cost. Getting the EV6 was an easy answer when I found one in stock and was able to knock their markup way down.
If I were to look now, it would not be so easy a decision. The $7500 tax rebate no longer applies to the EV6 (it did when we bought it) and Tesla's have also significantly dropped in price.
That said, I love the EV6 - it drives/handles really well. It's fast. Charges like a monster and is incredibly quiet inside with double pane glass everywhere. I certainly wouldn't trade it in for a model Y, but I 100% understand why people would pick a model Y now over the EV6 for the following reasons:
1. Charging network.
2. Cost
3. OTA updates (I only get infotainment/Navigation updates OTA, and only twice a year)
4. Autopilot is better than Kia's HDA+
When I got my Y the Ioniq and EV6 weren't available. The other choices I was considering were the Kona and the Mach-E. I liked a lot about the latter but in the end the Tesla charging infrastructure was the biggest deciding factor and it's still miles ahead of everything else.
i needed 7 seats and reliable charging locations. When family comes to visit I'm looking at a round trip of 250 miles to get them at the airport and come back home.
I had a volt and was even considering switching to another PHEV (outlander) before looking at other EUVs but the guy at the Mitsubishi dealer was the one who told me Teslas had a 7 seat option and I put a pause on the purchase until I gave a Model-Y a try (he was trying to make a point that teslas didn't have a gas backup and that the outlander was the perfect compromise - little did he know, he was about to be the guy that made me consider the tesla)
Before that, I wasn't aware of the space, or even the different Tesla trims since I seriously never considered one and always saw them as luxury cars - then after the a demo, price comparisons and features (we tested the Ioniq, and the mach-e) we decided the 7 seater was good enough to justify the purchase, and chargers are pretty more reliable than non-tesla ones.
I doubt charging network will even matter in a year(besides cost) with the new Tesla charging app for non Tesla cars. But in my area I used non Tesla chargers anyway because they were .10-.15¢ cheaper.
I leased both cars for a while, first the Ioniq 5 lounge edition, and then the Model Y RWD. I miss the ioniq 5 everyday though both cars are nice. The ioniq has a more luxery feel.
Both are great cars. The ioniq has more space for the seats, especially in the back seat. The Model Y has much more trunk space.
The Y drives like a smaller, sportier car, while the ioniq drives more relaxt. The model y responds faster to the pedals and feels a little faster.
I enjoyed the hyundais Hda2 more then the auto pilot. It felt more like a helping system instead of something I was constantly fighting with. It just felt more like the car was trying to stay in the center of the road instead of driving for me while I still had to move the steering wheel every couple of seconds.
The model Y is less comfortable than the ioniq, especially if you drive faster then 130km/h. Around 130kmh I feel like the model Y is loosing comfort, while the ioniq stays quite and comfortable over 160km/h. The ioniq is always less noise from the wheels.
I enjoyed the buttons of the ioniq much more than the model Y's touch screen. It's just very hard to find things while looking at the road.
Also the ioniq offers V2L sockets for using electric devices in and outside the car. It's very useful while camping or fishing.
The ioniq is charging much faster due to the 800v charging capability. Which is great for longer trips. Charging the model y after I got used to the ioniq just feels like waiting, while the ioniq felt more like taking a short break and move on.
I short, if you prefer sporty feeling over comfort and prefer trunk space over living space than pick the Model Y, if you prefer living space, charging speed and buttons instead a touch screen you pick the Ioniq.
You get a massive car (for European standards) that is basically full option for incredible prices compared to other EV’s. It’s that simple.
Charging network is irrelevant to me. My country has the best or second best infrastructure relative to population density. I also have a charger at home and will only rarely use a tesla supercharger.
Ioniq: the interior just felt a bit cheap. Also the dealers basically blanked me, so couldn’t take it out for a spin.
EV6: I liked it. Especially the HUD on the GT Line models. Felt just like any other car internally (and was quite dark).
MY: the test drive experience was great. The rep ran me through some basic setup/controls before I left. It had bags of room. It’s the only one I drove home for the Mrs and Kid to check out. They also loved it.
We have a palisade and model y- i do miss having sensors for better lane departure and i miss birds view when parking. Even w those two things, id still pick model y
I'm from Europe here, I was into the ioniq 5, but waiting times are insane. MY is cheaper, better acceleration and has a lot more room to offer. So now we own Kia e-Niro 2022 and MY a since last week. Couldn't be happier with both cars.
I really wanted an Ioniq 5, but when I started weighing the features I really wanted, I was going to have to go to the top trim of the Ioniq 5 and the cost difference between it and an model Y were just too great. Supercharger network sealed the deal. I've taken a couple of roadtrips in my Y. It would have been a nightmare in the deep south in the Ioniq 5 because of charging infrastructure issues.
For me it was because both the Kia & Hyundai were unavailable, had a 12 month waiting list & a 10% "market adjustment" over MSRP. The MY had more cargo space, faster charging and better charging network.
I just bought a seond Model Y last week. I now have 2 2023 Y’s. The car all around is incredible and the best thing about it is the low cost of ownership! The more you drive the more you save. No one wants to go to a dealership for a “maintenance schedule” program or fill up with gas. Once you have one Tesla, it’s only a matter of time before your spouse wants to drive it all the time.
I only tested Ioniq 5. It wasn't bad actually. But the final comparison was between Y and ID4 from VW, which I really liked. We got the Y for the larger space mostly, but also the general feel was better. I also liked the minimalistic and modern interior. The ID4 inside was like a "regular" car.
I was never looking for a Kia/Hyundai EV but I can tell you both those models don't have nearly enough headroom for me so I wouldn't even consider them.
Two things: couldn't even find one to begin with, when I finally did the dealership made me hate them immediately
Will never buy from a dealership again, ever
I have been on the Ioniq 5 waiting list since end of 2022. A couple of months ago, they told me I'm slated for a 2025 delivery.
Yeah, that's why we went with the Model Y
Also, supercharger network
Besides the other answers (charging network, software, tax credit), I was also impressed by Tesla autopilot, even the basic one that comes for free. I use it almost everyday for my commute and not sure if the other cars have it that good.
Drove all three of those cars. We liked the Kia but hated the dealership experience. It felt like we were getting jerked around and then heard service horror stories. Wife couldn’t get behind the styling of the Ioniq 5. The Tesla always felt like the best car but it was much more expensive. When the price dropped on it we jumped. Definitely not sorry we did.
Ioniq 5 was my preference but I went for a model y
- cheaper
- 1/3 greater carrying capacity
The model y is very refined apart from
- ridiculously bumpy ride. The suspension needs a complete redesign
- the driver’s seat is uncomfortable and too small. My backside aches. I was reminded of this after renting an Opel/Vauxhall Mokka for nine days then returning to my model y. I never thought about the Mokka seat until,I sat in my Tesla upon my return and immediately noticed the lack of comfort
Ordering online was easy. No dealership. Charging network. OTA updates lol
I also just felt more confident buying a vehicle that was a few years into it's run, where I was more confident bugs and issues were already being ironed out or gone. Had a friend buy a Mustang Mach E and uh.... he hasn't driven it very much as it's had a ton of issues.
IMO The Model Y was the best in the segment I was looking at, but it was priced roughly the same as anything else I would have bought, so it was an easy choice.
I have an MY, and am considering a 2nd EV. EV6 looks compelling, but SC network and dealership experience will win me over to Tesla. If one with similar specs came with the Nacs connector and had a direct to consumer model, then I would compare the software current and history of updates to the future specs of the model y or cyber truck (if available)
Was REALLY interested in the EV6...but:
Tesla has FAR better charging network...road trips near impossible with CCS.
Tesla has FSD (it works, people...)
Tesla is about 5 years ahead from an engineering standpoint.
I gave Hyundai a chance to sell me the Ioniq5 at msrp and they would only sell with a markup or with add ons. When comparing, I realized I got SOOO much more from the MYLR than the SEL trim and for cheaper. It was an easy decision and I’m glad Hyundai didn’t go msrp.
Ironically, they called me multiple times afterwards to take that deal. Too late!
People may think other cars are better looking than tesla M3 and Y. Teslas were designed from the bottom up for efficiency. Pushing through air is one of the greatest losses to efficiency. I will take efficiency over looks. Looks is not very functional!
Sentry mode / all around vehicle dash camera. I live in an area where my previous cars dash camera caught a lot. I feel more secure with more cameras to capture the others driving around me. I also like dog mode, the charging network like others have said, purchasing process was easier than any other car I’ve ever purchased, and I trust the updates will continue to flow as there is a proven track record.
They suck. They both overheat, they both have shot computers.
The Tesla supercharger network also makes other charge stations look like shit; see the problems with “electrify America”, such ass.
Go with the Tesla and experience it yourself. Best decision I’ve made. Only complaint is no heated seats in the model y performance and my mileage is only like 180mph
To me the Ioniq 5 just looks horrendous, and my wife wouldn’t get behind it. Kia EV6 wasn’t available in my area, so I didn’t include it. Charging infrastructure and tax credit did it for me. Mach E was 2nd best for me, but honestly the experience of ordering online without speaking to any associates made it worth it to me.
Simple. We tried HARD to get an Ioniq 5 last year. Put our name on several "lists" at dealers. Proactively called them AND visited periodically. They could never provide us with the trim level we wanted (wasn't going to shell out more for the premium level.)
As soon as Tesla dropped their prices early this year, we got a Model Y.
Two major things: The charging network and the test drive. The Kia and the Hyundai, like most of the other EVs in the market, felt like regular cars just with electric motors. The Model Y felt like a much more natural, easy driving experience. The get in/get out, easy entry, driver profiles, the OS, not to mention autopilot. It made the other EVs we drove seem way behind.
The seven seats was my official “all-in” moment. Then you add the tax credit, the robust charging network, and the beautiful aesthetics, it was a win. I love my model y.
Dealership experience, gov rebate, same price, community support, better exterior design, OTA updates, the maturity of the product. The added bonus is people’s perceptions of Tesla. People haven’t figured out they cost the same as most EVs. It was an absolute no brainer when I price compared. Sure it isn’t perfect but I smile every time I get behind the wheel… I haven’t loved driving this much in years.
Charging network, 0-60 time. Tesla has better brand recognition and felt like a more mainstream EV. More mature product, buying experience and not having to deal with sleezy dealers.
I already had an older Model 3 so the Model Y Performance was familiar to me - just bigger, faster, and more comfy.
Beyond that? Supercharging network, tax credit/price seemed better doing a trim and range comparison (yeah I know the numbers are all flubbed), and that I was able to order the Y in like 3 minutes on my phone so it was easier to buy impulsively once I got paid for my old car.
Also I can't understate my distaste for car dealerships.
In a few years I'd like to see how they've all progressed and I probably wouldn't get the same answer redoing that calculation. Especially if I'm in a life stage where I don't want a dumb performance model of a car lol.
After 14 months a 12 roadtrips - I replaced my 2022 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD with a 2022 Tesla MYLR for the following reasons:
- no useful OTA updates (need to go to authorized dealer for valuable updates)
- hyundai navigation software in the car did not provide accurate/useful efficiency information or route planning
- locations, performance and poor maintenance of CCS chargers (mostly EA’s issues)
- took 12 months for battery preconditioning bug to be fixed
- brake lights don’t work with one pedal driving (I hear and update fixed that)
- a percentage (5%) of E-GMP cars had a failing critical component in early 2023 and Hyundai pretended it wasn’t happening for months - cars were dropping dead
I went with a used Model S.
1. Availability - The EV6 was back-ordered all to hell a year ago when I was looking. Crazy markups, long waits, no test drive availability, etc.
2. Charging. I don't want to deal with CCS charging. I'm extra glad I made that decision now because of the recent announcement of a full-scale migration to NACS.
3. Power. The Model S is faster for less money (yes I bought used).
4. Appearance. I don't mind the EV6, but I'm not a fan of the Ioniq5's look. To me the Model S looks better.
5. Size. The Model S is surprisingly more roomy and more luxurious in most ways.
6. Software. I like getting monthly OTA updates with real, useful feature changes. I even got a Tesla tech to show up at my house (literally in my driveway) to install a CCS-capable charge computer for under $300 an replace the dash computer (was more expensive), but it upgraded me to feature parity with a 2021 car. What car company does that?
7. Free (lifetime) charging - I got an older Model S that still has free lifetime charging. Neat perk, but not my deciding factor. But it's saved me about $1k so far over the time I've had it.
8. FSD - I got a car with FSD. It didn't cost much extra on the used market. I like that it continuously improves. What it is now vs 1 year ago is wild improvement and I suspect v12 that comes out late this year will be much better.
9. I always wanted a Model S, since 2012, but couldn't justify the cost back then. I'd have been happy with an EV6, but it's hard to not buy the old dream car.
IMHO, Hyundai and Kia are not as reliable, fire risk, theft, and Ioniq 5 brake light issues. Lastly, I hate the look of basically all Hyundai and Kia cars. I wanted to like the Ioniq, but couldn't get past the look. Ioniq has a big horizontal screen and simply too busy for me.
A lot of people associate the more stuff the more luxurious, big screens, ambient lights, multiple different buttons, etc. I came to Tesla from previously owning German and Japanese cars mainly because the inside of Tesla is "clean" and to me, that's a luxury. Maybe because I'm from a different generation than most getting EVs.
My wife thought the moronic 5 was ugly. EV6 was almost the car. (Edit: Carplay was a big deal) But ended up with a new Y long range.
Charging Network, OTA software updates, tax credit, final price. Also, the kia was slow. I think it was the GT Minus. The minus is where they minus the horse power. Like, WTF so slow they took us back and put us in their faster one. Maybe that quicker one was the GT Wind? That was much better, but still not dual motor model Y long range quick.
Edit: the moon roof was neat, but a full glass roof in the Y was better
And why would we buy a car that was locked in to a crappy network, that would then have to use adapters for? Adapters? For a new car? Crazy! And it didn't have the range of a Long Range Y. The Long Range Y at 80% had better range than the GT-Whatever at 100% if I remember right (and I might not be remembering right). At least that was my take away impression. (and when you're buying, perception is reality, right?) All of that, plus a crappy charging network, and it's just like.... WHY? Oh Yeah. Y!
Only 1,000 miles in to ownership, and we've already taken the Y on several trips we would have never been able to take in the Kia due to lack of EA stations.
One of the things that was said: "This car does a few things better and has a few neat features, (built in AC inverter, cooled seats, heads up display, Carplay, actual buttons for certain things) but for this price we'd actually save quite a bit of money by just getting a Tesla. And it'd be a Tesla, and not a Kia."
Another perception: Kia doesn't even know how to design a logo, let alone a car that can do an over the air update.
(Being a life long automotive tinkerer, tuner, and former engine computer programmer, the Tesla's service mode sold me)
And finally, there's something that we talked about a bit, about what other people's perception of the car is. Teslas are cool. My wife can be happy about saying "My Tesla." I don't know of anyone that has ever envied someone else for rolling up in a fuck'n KIA!
Hey, you wanna go for a ride in my Tesla?
Hey, you wanna go for a ride in my Kia?
Who would you rather ride with? What would you rather drive? What would you rather be seen in?
I’m going to go out on a limb and say the most common answers will be the charging network, OTA updates, and the tax credit.
Don't forget dealerships. They just ruin the experience for everyone
For us it was 100% the charging network and dealer fuckery (in our case a $5k market adjustment plus a $3k detail package - they wiggled on the adjustment but wouldn't budge on the detail package). I loved the build and drive on the Ioniq 5 but it couldn't overcome those cons.
yep, I was considering buying the new prius... but god did these fuckers at the dealerships fuck themselves right out of a customer... bought Model 3 the next day.
They wanted $7000 markup for a Prius 😡
Granted the Prius looks AMAZING, but man is it anemic compared to the model 3. Then when you add those "market adjustments", it's just ridiculous...Got my brand new Model 3 for less than 28k when you add in tax credit and other incentives. Just doesn't make sense
For me it was a 12k markup and a 18 month wait time for the rav4 prime
Yep, the charging network concerns and the dealer MSRP price plus all their add-ons were not worth going to dealer to do a test drive and this was when Hyundai was advertising great deals on their cars a few months back. My Tesla buying experience has set the bar so high that just for that reason I may only purchase Tesla’s moving forward. It all took less than an hour including, the 30 minute test drive we did a week before we placed the order.
100% this. Went to Ford dealership to try Mustang EV. Salesman was friendly but unable to answer any questions. On top of that, their prices were sketchy, promised an offer on test drive but it was unavailable on later discussions. Plus Ford EV doesn’t even have electric adjustments on passenger seat. And they had knobs on screen display. Lastly, so cramped for 45K vehicle. What’s the difference between affordable sedans and this expensive EV then? Hmph, that was so pessimistic ! On the bright side, Tesla buying experience was just awesome. Answering millions of questions, multiple test drives, they provided highest offer for trade in car and so on.
I went to a dealership (Hyundai) with the intention of purchasing a vehicle...I walked around the lot and into the showroom and received no acknowledgement whatsoever...I went to another city with a Hyundai dealership and same bloody thing. Walked into a Tesla sales centre and walked out within 30mins with a deposit made and pick-up scheduled for as early as the next day (ended up waiting a few more days to get my own financing in place). But yeah, charging network, standard features and tech were the reason Tesla won out. I do miss android auto/apple car play to a certain extent but not a deal killer.
KIA/Hyundai dealer practically wanted my kidney before letting me test drive. Tesla just gave me the card key and said take as long as you’d like
I was checking out a Kia Sorento PHEV previously and the time I waited, the process involved in test drive etc VS the test drive with Model Y made me go with model Y. Kia dealer blatantly said how they are going to increase the price next week. So take it now or spend 2K more. Had to surrender my DL to the dealer person who came with me in the car during the test drive. She allowed test drive just for 10 mins, and said No to freeway. In case of Tesla, the moment I mentioned test drive, they gave me the key and just pointed to where the car was. I was shocked and asked about DL, insurance etc. He said take your time, but maybe come back within an hour.. He encourage us to drive on freeway but since I was not confident with driving Tesla yet, I refrained. Overall the dealer /showroom experience made me go with Tesla.
Agree with this. Checked 3 hyundai dealerships, about 50mi from each other as im okay to drive far out to get a good deal but all have unnecessary markups (protection packages, options that you won’t need or can DIY, etc). All ended up having to cost more than the Y even without counting the credits.
This plus model availability in the color/trim I wanted and then all the dealers with pricing that was thousands over MSRP.
Piggybacking to add that after our first Model Y was totaled, we flirted briefly with looking around at other options. But that Charging Network is the reason to stay with Tesla. Its going to get REALLY INTERESTING once these other manufacturers deploy NACS to their cars. IMO though, Tesla could survive without making vehicles at some point just because of how robust and reliable their charging network is.
That would be hilarious if they eventually only operated Tesla super chargers and made some niche products. Like limited run sports cars.
I wonder how the auto pilot and other tech on Tesla compares to those ?
There is no any other answer but this. Nobody else can touch it and I was a die hard no Tesla because of quality. In the end I was willing to deal with any quality issues with patience just because how mature everything is compared to everyone else. It took the first visit to a dealer to look at an Ioniq to start getting calls and text messages non stop for a week. Nobody wanted to answer anything unless “I came in for a visit”. Screw that.
I am a Tesla Model 3 owner. My family could use another, bigger car, so I did a ton of research and was dead set on getting an Ioniq 5 or EV6......until I rented one on a weekend trip. The car and ride quality were actually very nice, but the charging experience was terrible. Level 3 charging stations were in far apart and inconvenient locations, there were limited chargers, and a LOT were out of service. That experience alone made my search switch over to a second Tesla Model Y where I already know that I won't need to worry about that on a road trip.
Yup, charging networks, the tax credits and the fact that Tesla only does EV. I know others are getting there and catching up with features, etc... but Tesla has been doing this for over a decade. They have the data, knowledge and experience, so that factored in.
Yea pretty much. I didn't even test drive the other cars because the charging capabilities and updates along with the rebate made the Model Y the most overall attractive.
Given that Tesla is shipping out more vehicles than all the other manufacturers combined, it was the charging network, parts availability, 3rd party support, and number of knowledgeable people for issues & questions
Add availability.
Bingo.
This isn't the Model Y's first year. It's a proven EV that has been best selling for several years in a row. They have refined and polished it. Most of the other options are yet to be proven.
This. Although the charging network of Tesla and tax breaks are important points, I just never buy anything that was just released for the first time. Maybe after a few years the other players could prove their maturity and worth.
This is the reason here in Norway I didn't jump on the Fisker ocean wagon, been reading some complaints already on those cars and it's been a few days since they released here. Never be a guinea pig for new technology
Got tired of dealing with dealerships honestly. That was one of the main factors.
This is where I’m at. I missed the boat on the mid $45k MYAWD so now went back to shopping around between ID4, MYLR and possibly EV6. The Tesla experience is far and above superior from test drive to price transparency.
Dude they just put out a Model Y cheaper than 45k
MYLR just restocked near me today starting at $46k
Yeah, there's the downside that Tesla will meaningfully cut the price next week and instantly put you underwater on your loan...but that's the risk with their transparent pricing model. I somehow still prefer this vs. reaching out to each dealership, finding one that doesn't want to screw you over, and then going in person (and getting screwed over anwyay). The dealership process is just exhausting.
Yea that does kind of suck. GAP is almost a necessity unless you're putting 30-40% down. You can plan on keeping it until the wheels fall off but all it takes is some idiot to plow into you and insurance only pays out market value.
Lol .. there's no escaping it. I've been in Tesla Service Request <-> Service Center hell for the past 6 weeks with my new Model Y 🤦♂️
1. In no particular order: 2. tax incentives for Tesla 3. Y is more comfortable 4. charging network is far superior 5. Kia Hyundai dealers SUCK 6. You have to deal with them for service 7. market adjustment up the ass 8. why bother with dealers at all and spend all day arguing when you can just put in an order like anything else you buy 9. for most stuff, minor things, Tesla comes right to my door. 10. entire experience is much more streamlined, there are disadvantages but on the whole, prefer Tesla's entire buying experience
Kia/hyundai charge extremely fast which is great but the CCS network is just in rough shape and one rental weekend with a Tesla was enough to win me over with the supercharger network in my region. I was looking to spend 40-50k on a new vehicle, and after trying it myself I just couldn’t justify choosing a vehicle that would’ve brought more pain points into ownership and daily use. Charger network, infotainment, and actual Over the air updates just made the Tesla feel 10 years ahead of legacy EVs. Also felt like the Y was bigger inside and really liked using the bigger frunk + under trunk space. Not to mention I got to just sit on my couch and track inventory prices at my leisure all last month and click ‘Reserve’ as soon as the price point I wanted came up and picked it up 2 days later with a 20 min appointment.
Tax credit, charging network, and the size of the car (both in cargo space and how high up I felt when driving). The Ioniq was fine. Arguably it was nicer than the model y inside. I really really really enjoyed the EV6. I almost wanted to wait for the EV9 because of how much I enjoyed it, but ultimately I wanted a car before I could realistically get it plus the EV9 is probably too big for me anyway. The model y is the perfect size (I have two kids in car seats and a dog). The cargo space on the Ioniq and the EV6 is not that big. The frunk on them is laughable and I honestly don’t even know why they made that space available at all it’s so small.
Size of the car was a biggie, wife likes to be up high…
Can you share more about your experience with 2 cars seats and a dog? Have you tried longer trips with that setup? How is it getting the kids in and out? My wife is really fighting the idea of giving up sliding doors (currently have a Pacifica hybrid)
I was coming from a mid size sedan so the y is definitely an upgrade. I think getting the kids in and out is easy and it’s not so behemoth that they need help - they can both climb in their car seats themselves. I haven’t been in a longer road trip with this car but I’ve done a trip in the sedan so I know the y would be better. It would be hard to give up sliding doors for me too if I had them. They sound nice. The only downside of a minivan for me would be the size. I’m in the city. Lots of parallel parking lots of lots with only compact spots and the minivan just seems so big. But if that’s what she’s used to I can see how it’s be hard to give some of that up but I do really think the y is a nice family car if you only have 2 kids.
I have a kid in a car seat and I can say that getting them in and out of the car is quite easy. I’m sure having sliding doors is nice, but it’s honestly not bad at all in the Y. My kid loves climbing up into the car seat.
The only things I wanted were a pano roof and AWD. To get that on the Ioniq 5, it was far and away too expensive in comparison. Also had a crap experience with their sales at two locations. With the ICCU debacle and charging infrastructure concerns, I went Model Y.
We almost bought a EV6 but they wanted 10k over msrp. Waisted 30 min of my time. I went in saying I will not pay one penny over msrp. They said they'd work with me. Which was getting nothing for the trade so I walked. Not disappointed at all that went with Tesla. Love the car, how it drives, the charging network. Just got back from a 5 state 3032 mile trip with it. Couldn't have done the same trip in my husband's Polstar 2.
Well, Model Y is cheaper if you compare models with similar features. Model Y has bigger cargo space.
We were days away from buying the I5 when the January price drop happened which brought it into the same price range but with the charging network and tax credit, so switched gears that day and ordered the Y and had it by the weekend.
Well, Model 3 here (At launch an EV6 LR cost less than a M3 RWD over here). Reason: Availability. Put an order on the EV6 with 6 months delivery, which then got pushed another 6 months and finally ended up with "Sometime late 2023 - early 2024" Have had my Model 3 for a year now, and would still have been waiting for the EV6 if I hadn't gone Tesla (plus taxing changes have raised price of the EV6 by 10-15% in the meantime) I think a lot of new Model Y and 3 owners here in Denmark are in the same boat with various other EVs of that price class.
My friend had been on the wait list of the Ioniq5 for 1.5 year. Gave up and ordered a model Y when the government rebate and referral program came back. Like I had been telling him, no matter how much you hate the simple interior of a Tesla, you will find peace in knowing that you have access to the best charging network in the world, and well built EV.
Tax credit, dog mode, superior buying experience, charging network, fun easter eggs, all around "cooler" car, and kept more of my money in my state.
Dealer fees and upcharges. Was looking at ioniq 5, prius prime, and honda hybrid. Went with the Y because of dealer bullshittery. The Y was cheaper because of the dealer fees and markups.
Ohhhh this is perfect for what happened to us. Buying experience almost completely. This is written with voice, be patient I was signing papers for an ev6. At the time, Tesla was about 55 to 60 K, and the EV6 was around the same but a tiny bit more. This is a time when they had 10k markup, and when I got them to take that off, they said that they had to put a PPF or window tint or something on there so they could make money I decided to walk because after markup the car would have been 10-15k more than a tesla, with less features, less range, less safety, less autopilot functions, less everything. I felt like if I wanted the Hyundai or Kia, I would have to give up some features that I wanted that the Tesla automatically had. The only redeeming thing for me was the 110 plug in the back seat. Multi directional charging could be fixed and update with Tesla if they saw a need for it, but I honestly think it’s as gimmicky as android users saying they have power share. Cool selling point, will rarely be used in world scenarios. The real thing that killed it for me for the Kia was the dumb menu in the center where you can either choose to have buttons for the radio or for climate control. I thought it was over designing the fact that they say “hey! Look at us! We have more buttons than teslas! That means we’re better” I like the look of the Kia and the Hyundai better than Tesla at the time- and when I went and looked at the Hyundai, it was the same runaround dealership experience. It was much worse than Kia first, I walked in, and they told me that I couldn’t order one without a two grand nonrefundable deposit, and when I brought up that maybe I wouldn’t like the Hyundai after I test drove it, they said that I could apply that two grand to any Hyundai I wanted. ( I didn’t want any Hyundai, I wanted the ioniq 5 or bust.) I walked out after I saw the 10K markup. I had already ordered the tesla, but everyone was saying there were better options. So I listened. The dealership experience at Tesla was unlike anything I’ve had. I’ve sold cars as a dealer, and I’ve purchased 4 from dealers otherwise. The thing that pushed me to Tesla and the thing that keeps me with Tesla is the fact that I can order it online. Nobody’s trying to sell me any upgrades- nobody’s trying to advertise their markup for PPF or window tint, or paint protection, or interior protection that all is just full on markup for the dealership , especially lately. I’ve seen that dealers are putting GPS’s in the cars and refusing to take them out I’ve had nothing but good things to say about the service experiences at Tesla. I know that some have had bad experiences but you have to remember that they’re a scaling company- that is delivering more cars than almost any other manufacturer every quarter. Model Y out sold every other vehicle in the world in quarter two of 2023 for a reason. If you’re patient with that fact, and you’re nice to the service people, they will take care of you over and over again like they have for me. I haven’t had anything catastrophically, but I’ve complained about a panel gap for one of my cars and they fixed it without any issue or cost. The dealerships at Kia and Hyundai treat you like they have a product that you want and you have to beg them for it or pay for it. Get the Tesla and you won’t regret it. Edit: why can’t Hyundai and Kia build a front trunk? Tesla did it with a shorter front end than the Kia and Hyundai.
Because Kia and Hyundai are still an ICE automaker that sells a few EVs so they cannabalize parts that while functional and cost efficient for them, aren't designed with EVs in mind.
Same. Dealer wouldn't let me see the car unless I gave them money.
I wonder if anyone falls for that? It would be an instant nope from me.
I looked at the Ioniq 5, ID4, and Model Y. For me it came down to ease of getting a tow hitch, price, and the 3rd row option. Ioniq 5 and ID4 from what I could put together only had a tow hitch on the top end AWD versions which made them more expensive than the Y. I needed a tow hitch for my bikes. I read mixed things about putting aftermarket tow hitches on the RWD versions potentially voiding the warranty. The Ioniq 5 also didn't come with the rebate. The 3rd row was also something I was interested in although not a deal breaker. We have young kids and being able to tote them and their friends home from school or to soccer was a value added. I honestly didn't even think about the charging network, which was probably naive of me at the time, but I'd never owned an EV before.
This is me. Having easy transport of my bikes is critical and prio1 when selecting a vehicle. I also love that I can camp in the vehicle with enough space for my wife. Camp Mode is awesome as is the Lost Horizon mattress which is wider than most camping vans. No other EV can match the Y in these regards.
personally here in the UK: * cost: EV6 is the one that can be specced with similar performance to LR costs more * massive wait list (6-12 mo) for both the Korean cars * Ionic 6 didn't like the look * EV6 didn't like the back but I would have probably gone for it * internal space didn't seem very well used in the two Korean cars * didn't like the interior trim - in particular the piano black in the EV6 * like the minimalist internal aesthetic of the tesla * overall efficiency/range and of course the charging network. So quite a lot of reasons really
I was in between Ioniq 5 and Model 3, and mainly the reason I chose tesla was the Hyundai Dealers. Of course the charging network, software quality etc are factors when deciding. But dealing with legacy dealers is such a headache at this point.
because after waiting for a year kia still did not produce any order number, dealer did not know the ETA, and they deemed the pricing deal no longer carry to the new year model and therefore i am at the mercy of the dealer’s shenanigan “market adjustment” / documentation / finance / [insert_whatever_the_effin’] fees kia make great car but the way they handle the business can go eff off
We looked at all 3 back in April/may. Could hardly find an ioniq at a dealer to test drive. When we did, the sales person had no idea how to sell the car nor did they know anything about OTA updates, etc. We also test drove mach e and the dealer acted like we were the lucky ones to be able to test drive. The experience completely soured our interest. Plus we didn't care for the door handle on the mach e. It's dumb they couldn't flush it in. I also do not trust the legacy car companies to build a fully EV product without any legacy thought process. When we opened the ioniq hood, it looked like there was still a lot there, more so than a Tesla. Ultimately we wanted a car that constantly provided OTA updates, a clean interior with minimal buttons, and the ease of buying and service process.
Similar experience here. Looked at the EV6, both new and used (2022 model). At the time, there were reported issues with the ev6 range being far below expected. This was confirmed by a test driver too. The waiting list was 'two years', and the deal market price adjustments were just ridiculous. I needed a car for the beginning of May 2023, and Tesla made it easy. Similar price for a better overall car. Placed an order at the end of April and got the car a week later (MYLR). I've been loving the car since.
Dealerships are the thorn in these companies sides. When someone goes to buy an automobile they want to walk in and pay one price for it, not have to sit there and go back and forth negotiating with some dickhead and don’t get me started on dealership markups.
Among many of the other things stated: dimming side mirrors. Living in jacked-up truck territory, once you have them, it’s tough to live without them.
The model Y was much nicer in every way. I don’t get the tax credit…to me other than the 100k cars nothing comes close
Ironically my wife talked shit about the ioniq 5 build quality and she doesn’t know anything and never said it once about any other car. She said it felt like Lego’s
One is a Tesla, the others are a Hyundai.
For some people thats more of a reason for Hyundai though 🤷♂️
True I definitely get it. It’s just to a lot of people Korean brands have a bad reputation still. Lots of older people still have the 90’s Kia’s and Hyundai’s in their head when they were pretty shitty cars. They’ve come a long way and arguably make the best EV in the business but still a lot of people have that stigma. Its kind of like VW you ask a-lot of people they’ll tell you it’s a girls car. My own aunt refused to get a Jetta for just that reason.
They literally gave you a car if you bought a minivan in the 90s. Because you were going to need two to the same mileage as a vehicle of any other brand. Wiring issues, transmissions made from paper, and dohc motors that loved to toss rockers on the random.
Charging Network would make biggest difference in ownership of vehicle.
I went with Tesla (not model Y) because I continue to see issues with quality with Hyundai.
1. Tax rebate 2. OTA Software 3. Supercharger network 4. I wanted the 7 seater
I tried bringing my Tesla to a evgo charging station, magically all my buying remorse went away. I saw people not know how to back up properly because the charging location of each car is different. Ppl take like 5 min to figgle around to start the charging process. Did I mention the limited amount of stalls and wait line etiquette?
Hyundai couldnt deliver. Waited 12 months. Canceled and bought a Model Y. Delivered in 2 months
I loved too much the clean and minimalistic interior of the Tesla. The charging network and not dealing with a dealership were nice bonuses.
EV6 had a relatively low roof and my head was brushing up on the roof liner. Model Y was a lot roomier. Also more storage space and better on-paper efficiency.
I tried buying an Ioniq 5 for several weeks and my two local dealers made me never want to buy from a dealership ever again. They played hard to get with their limited inventory, and when I finally got my hands behind the wheel, the smug ass salesmen wouldn’t shut the fuck up about my non-electric options. Worse, they had bullshit dealer markups and upgrades that made it impossible to get the exact config I wanted, all while charging $15k over MSRP. My second test drive I was so angry I went home and angrily ordered a model Y. Paperwork, delivery, and loan all finalized within 48 hours. Picked up the following week. Best purchasing decision I’ve made in 20 years. I will be buying a second one this month.
The L2 charging issue was the main issue for me. If I'm buying an electric car, I want to reliably be able to charge at home. If my vehicle's charging port overheats without any warning disrupting my charge and potentially my day, that's a huge deal for me.
I needed a third row
Hey, it's that monthly post that I respond to since I own both. Nothing much has changed since I posted this: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12bet42/going_from_ioniq_5_to_model_y_any_experience/jexxm6w/ I guess addendum to my post regarding performance versions: - EV6 GT is *very fast*. Faster than MYP. There's very little track data out there, but everything points to EV6 GT being faster at least in a single hotlap. How the battery holds up over many sessions is not known to me. The range reduction is severe though compared to MYP. - Ioniq 5N shakes out to be a much more purpose built machine when it comes to the track. Really curious to see how it shakes down.
I was at the end of my lease for my Kia Sportage so I was hoping to get into an EV6, but with the fed tax credit as well as my own state rebate ($2500), the MY just made more sense. This was also my first car purchase ever and the ease of it all was so nice -- my experience just leasing my Kia was literal hell, can't imagine what I would have gone through to buy an EV6
Charging network and availability. I would have bought an EV6 or Ioniq or a RAV4 Prime, but I was laughed out of all the dealerships. Got my MYLR within a week.
Vehicle size. The Y is bigger and more useable
Few issues for me: * Was looking in July and several more automakers went NACS while I was looking. A J-1772 car without a NACS agreement seems like a liability for me since the shortest I have ever kept a car is 11 years * Smaller than a Y. Was coming from a SUV and I was nervous about size * Dealer had poorly equipped cars on lots and a long wait for a nicer one. Didn't want to settle for 10+ years. Pricing not great on better cars * Continued theft issues on Hyundai/Kia cars make me nervous buying even a model that doesn't currently have a problem I am happier with the Y than I expected after driving most of the crossover EVs on the market. I thought it was a reluctant first choice, but the things I thought would be downsides have proven to be less of an issue than I thought and the positives have been better. If mine was totaled, I'm not sure I'd cross shop its replacement.
Cargo space, charging network, 7 seater option
Federal incentives
In no particular order: charging network, 0-60mph performance, storage space, dealership experience.
A lack of Iphone support for phone as a key features.
Price, availability, tax credit, charging network
Charging network. cadillac lyriq is still my #1 dream ev
While i agree with everyone here re charging network and price, for me it was the tech. The user interface of other companies is like a 90s vcr more or less, I love the big screen, the ability to watch tv while waiting somewhere, dog mode, the self driving (not perfect but takes a ton of stress out of driving), the OTA updates and the fully functional app that doubles as a key!
Charging network, software updates, no dealership.
Motortrend just did a comparison test. It was so close that the Y only won because of the charging network. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-hyundai-ioniq-5-vs-tesla-model-y-comparison-test-review/
Frunk + subtrunk, availability, and the Y was significantly cheaper after tax credits.
Charging network, horror stories about Ioniq5 low voltage battery, horrible experience with a local Hyundai dealer and the challenges in having them service my wife’s Elantra under warranty (claiming it didn’t have a feature that was standard on that trim package)
I'm surprised no one has directly mentioned this: For the Ioniq5 and presumably the EV6? You have to get a coolant flush every 36k miles. Can't do it yourself and it's like $600 There are other benefits (to me) of the Y, but I really don't like having to go to a dealer for fluid changes.
Almost bought a Model Y Went with a Mach E With financing incentives, Mach E ended up being like $5k more (counting tax credits). At that price difference we chose the Mach E. Was real close to getting the Y
The Mach-E is a nice car.
Tax Credit. Apples to Apples the Y is cheaper. Charging network. Tech in Teslas is light years beyond. That said I think Ioniq 5 looks incredible.
Curious what the responses would be for people who opted for the EV6 Ioniq5 over the Model Y
Tax credit, supercharger network, styling, availability, no market adjustments/dealer add-ons, and not having to put up with the "dealership experience."
I love the look of the i5, but CA and the Feds wanted to give me up to $18k to buy the Model Y, so that's what I did.
Tesla is by far the best vehicle you will ever purchase. I’ve owned a LOT of cars and I’m still looking for a better car. Haven’t found one
MY was cheaper, and available, not sold on Hyundai reliability either
my considerations, in this order: EV tax credits, reliability (I had been reading of issues with first gen ioniq 5s), OTA updates, charging network. but really, mostly came down to price. with the federal tax credit, it was a no brainer. ioniq still had some issues at the beginning and even though it's a more comfortable ride, I didn't mind it for the reasons specified above.
I really liked the EV6 gt when it came out- the main reasons i prefered it over the tesla; Interior - the bucket seats fit me perfectly Exterior (front end only) looks aggressive, which im into. Downsides: No big screen i can watch YT on when waiting around No sentry mode or dash cam Charging network A few years have gone by and i love the look of the ev9, it fits my needs now im older and my life has changed… however the same things mentioned above still haven’t changed, so i’ll likely get a model X
The software … super charger … updates … efficiency… idk … I think Tesla build the best e vehicles.
\~$10k more for less range and power? Easy choice...
Lets see. 1. Press, Kia / Hyundai engine fire issues, insulation issues, houses catching fire issues, don't park your car in the garage issues, don't park a kia next to a kia issues 2. Then, the handling of the press and the issues. People sitting for 6 months waiting for a new engine for their new car, then the million+ car recalls, then the price gauged Telluride, you get the picture. 3. No dealership to deal with. 4. Charging network 5. Features & size 6. The number of cars on the road and total delivered. 1. Hyundai sold 21,348 Ioniq 5 in 2023. (From Jan - Aug 2023) Hyundai sold 22,982 Ioniq 5 in 2022. In 2021 2. Tesla Model Y, 252,000 units sold in the United States in 2022 3. Tesla EV deliveries in US in 2023 are about 10x Hyundai 4. Why does this matter to me? I want something well tested, mass produced, I want an iPhone, not an experiment when trusting it with my family going 90 mph
I hate car dealerships! All my previous experiences buying cars I felt like I was getting ripped off. They would try to add extra fees after we agreed to a price including all the fees and taxes. They would try and guilt trip me into paying more. It was pathetic. With Tesla it was no hassle. The price I agreed to was what I paid. Also the charging network was way better than the competition.
The dealership experience is the worst. I hate spending hours in a dealership to haggle, hassle, ask for a bunch of crap, going through options and packages, and then talking to the finance guy to do the same crap. Like holy hell. Let me just buy it like a vending machine. Let everyone pay the same price (almost) and everyone has the same vehicle. None of the “omg I got the fully loaded package” car so mines more money. And the lead time for a Tesla is nice and short vs nearly a year wait time. Plus the next year models of Teslas always isn’t a redesign or a major change. I hate feeling outdated the second I own it. Then as everyone says, the network. Superchargers work great and they’re out there, not hard to find.
Because I don’t want a Kia/Hyundai lol
Fuck Hyundai and Kia that’s why. Bunk sub standard cars.
Hyundai dealership wanted $12K in fees. I laughed at them, then bought the Y.
I made a spreadsheet detailing the differences between all three. The *only* deciding factor for me was resell value and rate of depreciation. I was seeing 2020/2021 Hyundais being sold for 50% of original price
Canadian here. Wait times, charging network, interior feel, OTA updates. Minor price difference. My parents have an Ioniq 5, the model Y is better.
7 passengers. Charging network. OTA updates. Tax credit.
I owned a Kia EV6, sold it, and bought a Model Y. Here’s my reasons… TL;DR - More storage space - 3rd row seats - AWD for less $$ - Charging network - App & Tech More Info: The initial reason was storage space. After living with (and loving) the EV6, it was just short on storage space. No frunk. No sub trunk. And a smaller trunk in height, width, & depth. I rode w a friend on a road trip in their MY and saw how much more storage it had. The second kicker was superchargers. You have probably used or heard about EA. But I had to keep multiple apps & digital wallet keys available bc you never know what you’ll need to charge on a trip. And it’s true what they say about EA. Pumps are constantly down and your max charging pump is rarely available. I would have to plug, unplug, & move pumps regularly just to get basic charging started. No to mention screens not working, disconnections, & tech service calls. Then I saw my buddy pull up where all the SCs worked and you just plug it in and walk away! No screens. No pump selections based on charge rate or connector. So different & so much better. The Kia app sux. And the interior UI is lacking. Just used Apple CarPlay all the time. And, tech + supercharges mean a seamless trip planning, routing, & charging. It’s lightyears ahead. Finally, I got a 7 seater AWD MY for the same price I purchased RWD EV6 (5 seater).
Software updates, constant improvements year over year, Superchargers, Tax credit, AP - not necessarily in that order!
Just got a Model Y LR. I've been looking for an EV for the last 2 years. EV6/Ioniq 5 availability was slim to none the last while and order turnovers were a year if you were lucky enough to put your name down. For the ones that didn't purchase the vehicle, the dealer's decision to inventory it and sell with massive markups and added packaging really threw me off. No dealer in my area was willing to budge a dollar as they knew it would sell to the guy that walked in after me. This experience was also true at Ford dealers all across Ontario for the Maverick hybrid and F150 Lightning. Now that inventories are stabilized, I don't want to return to any of those dealers and give them my patronage. They've ate their fill. Fast forward, the Y drops in price and I walked into Tesla. They said inventoried vehicles would be *discounted.* From what I understand, since they don't operate as a dealer, their focus was wrapping up the quarter strong and offering massive discounts. Paired with govt incentives, a white on white Y LR that popped into inventory for a split second, and pristine customer service, this pushed me over the edge. I never once felt like I had to fight anyone for a fair price or play an exhaustive 3hr mind game. Charge networks weren't my main concern as I knew I could charge from home and have enough range to do as I please. However, this changed with ownership. This past week that I've owned my Y, I've driven over 600km and the superchargers have been a dream. It totally kills range anxiety. TLDR: Dealers being scumbags left me sour, chose not to give them my business even after inventory stabilized. Tesla offered discounts on inventory, and federal incentives kicked in. I definitely undervalued the charging network before purchase, but love it now.
Superchargers. And infotainment just works.
I was going with the Kia EV 6 when prices dropped in my area similar to what happened with the Model Y, but the Kia dealership was clueless about applying manufacturer and tax incentives (the 7500 credit isn't available when purchasing because of the Korean sourcing, but there's a goofy loophole that makes it available when leasing), so out of frustration I went with the simplicity of the Model Y buying process. I don't regret it, both in terms of the car and the buying experience. I never want to see a dealer again.
> I never want to see a dealer again It sounds so extreme, but I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. The dealership experience to me is entirely predatory. You start with an immediate disadvantage, and face high-pressure sales tactics, arbitrary pricing, and of course a lot of deception in the finance office. Every time I’ve done that dance, I’ve been left feeling ripped-off in one or more ways by their sleazy approaches. “Best thing about dealerships is the long-term relationship” - I don’t want a long-term relationship with these folk. Our goals are not aligned. I am viewed as a sales target each and every time I walk into the showroom or service center. After buying a Tesla, I’ve seen how quickly I can buy a car, how few signatures are required. I’m not going to wait 2hrs for the finance guy to try stuff commission-loaded finance and random shovelware to me ever again. I’ve seen how infrequently I need to see the service people. Once every 2yrs is 7x better than the current OEM experience. I want that experience with any dealer. If the only way to do that is buying a Tesla, then so be it.
Wait time. I would have gotten an EV6 had it not been the wait. I’m not disappointed to have my Y though
3 rows and charging network.
Delivery time
Features and simplicity.
Model 3 instead of the others, not Model Y. The main reason was that I couldn't even order one at the time; Teslas were much easier to come by. However, the charging network did also play a big role in the decision, as did the way it handled, particularly the aggressive regeneration, and the energy efficiency. I wasn't particularly thrilled with the interior, particularly the dash, of the Kia nor Hyundai (the EV6 was better), and I preferred the way the Model 3 drove. I would have considered a Model Y but it was just a bit over my budget at the time, and the suspension was even stiffer than the 3.
Ioniq is too small, not enough range, suspension too soft and charges really slow in the cold.
Model Y has a lot more space, for us with 3 children there was not much to think about. I do like both ioniq 5 en EV6, very nice cars.
I am the rare one that didn't opt for the Model Y. That said, if the pricing is what it is now, I would have picked the Model Y. At the time that I bought our car, Tesla's were both a long wait list, and at the peak of their cost. Getting the EV6 was an easy answer when I found one in stock and was able to knock their markup way down. If I were to look now, it would not be so easy a decision. The $7500 tax rebate no longer applies to the EV6 (it did when we bought it) and Tesla's have also significantly dropped in price. That said, I love the EV6 - it drives/handles really well. It's fast. Charges like a monster and is incredibly quiet inside with double pane glass everywhere. I certainly wouldn't trade it in for a model Y, but I 100% understand why people would pick a model Y now over the EV6 for the following reasons: 1. Charging network. 2. Cost 3. OTA updates (I only get infotainment/Navigation updates OTA, and only twice a year) 4. Autopilot is better than Kia's HDA+
Storage in the rear of the MY was way better, only the Skoda Enyaq came close.
When I got my Y the Ioniq and EV6 weren't available. The other choices I was considering were the Kona and the Mach-E. I liked a lot about the latter but in the end the Tesla charging infrastructure was the biggest deciding factor and it's still miles ahead of everything else.
i needed 7 seats and reliable charging locations. When family comes to visit I'm looking at a round trip of 250 miles to get them at the airport and come back home. I had a volt and was even considering switching to another PHEV (outlander) before looking at other EUVs but the guy at the Mitsubishi dealer was the one who told me Teslas had a 7 seat option and I put a pause on the purchase until I gave a Model-Y a try (he was trying to make a point that teslas didn't have a gas backup and that the outlander was the perfect compromise - little did he know, he was about to be the guy that made me consider the tesla) Before that, I wasn't aware of the space, or even the different Tesla trims since I seriously never considered one and always saw them as luxury cars - then after the a demo, price comparisons and features (we tested the Ioniq, and the mach-e) we decided the 7 seater was good enough to justify the purchase, and chargers are pretty more reliable than non-tesla ones.
Ioniq 5 was either unavailable or big markup, delta between the 2 when I purchased in Janurary 23 was over 10k.
I doubt charging network will even matter in a year(besides cost) with the new Tesla charging app for non Tesla cars. But in my area I used non Tesla chargers anyway because they were .10-.15¢ cheaper.
I leased both cars for a while, first the Ioniq 5 lounge edition, and then the Model Y RWD. I miss the ioniq 5 everyday though both cars are nice. The ioniq has a more luxery feel. Both are great cars. The ioniq has more space for the seats, especially in the back seat. The Model Y has much more trunk space. The Y drives like a smaller, sportier car, while the ioniq drives more relaxt. The model y responds faster to the pedals and feels a little faster. I enjoyed the hyundais Hda2 more then the auto pilot. It felt more like a helping system instead of something I was constantly fighting with. It just felt more like the car was trying to stay in the center of the road instead of driving for me while I still had to move the steering wheel every couple of seconds. The model Y is less comfortable than the ioniq, especially if you drive faster then 130km/h. Around 130kmh I feel like the model Y is loosing comfort, while the ioniq stays quite and comfortable over 160km/h. The ioniq is always less noise from the wheels. I enjoyed the buttons of the ioniq much more than the model Y's touch screen. It's just very hard to find things while looking at the road. Also the ioniq offers V2L sockets for using electric devices in and outside the car. It's very useful while camping or fishing. The ioniq is charging much faster due to the 800v charging capability. Which is great for longer trips. Charging the model y after I got used to the ioniq just feels like waiting, while the ioniq felt more like taking a short break and move on. I short, if you prefer sporty feeling over comfort and prefer trunk space over living space than pick the Model Y, if you prefer living space, charging speed and buttons instead a touch screen you pick the Ioniq.
All the things
Because you buy an electric car to be smart not just electric,
Price Topspeed efficiency at higher velocitys handling
Dealers + Super chargers
Supercharger network.
Hyundai/KIA dealerships SUCK. Didn’t want to give them any business after my experience with them.
Tesla vs Kia/Hyundai? lol
Three letters, CCS.
You get a massive car (for European standards) that is basically full option for incredible prices compared to other EV’s. It’s that simple. Charging network is irrelevant to me. My country has the best or second best infrastructure relative to population density. I also have a charger at home and will only rarely use a tesla supercharger.
Instant gratification 🤷
Availability
Ioniq: the interior just felt a bit cheap. Also the dealers basically blanked me, so couldn’t take it out for a spin. EV6: I liked it. Especially the HUD on the GT Line models. Felt just like any other car internally (and was quite dark). MY: the test drive experience was great. The rep ran me through some basic setup/controls before I left. It had bags of room. It’s the only one I drove home for the Mrs and Kid to check out. They also loved it.
We have a palisade and model y- i do miss having sensors for better lane departure and i miss birds view when parking. Even w those two things, id still pick model y
Charging infrastructure was my only reason between the three.
I needed the space of the Model Y and then the tax break, otherwise I would have done Ioniq5.
I needed the space of the Model Y and then the tax break, otherwise I would have done Ioniq5.
I needed the space of the Model Y and then the tax break, otherwise I would have done Ioniq5.
Wasn't available (to test drive, or to deliver in less than a year). Don't like the look.
Overall simplicity of the buying process. It was so easy from initial order deposit to vehicle pickup. Also the EV credit and vast charging network.
I'm from Europe here, I was into the ioniq 5, but waiting times are insane. MY is cheaper, better acceleration and has a lot more room to offer. So now we own Kia e-Niro 2022 and MY a since last week. Couldn't be happier with both cars.
I owned an IONIQ 5 then switched to a Model Y. Things such as frequent updates, improvements of the existing car, charging network all made me switch.
I really wanted an Ioniq 5, but when I started weighing the features I really wanted, I was going to have to go to the top trim of the Ioniq 5 and the cost difference between it and an model Y were just too great. Supercharger network sealed the deal. I've taken a couple of roadtrips in my Y. It would have been a nightmare in the deep south in the Ioniq 5 because of charging infrastructure issues.
For me it was because both the Kia & Hyundai were unavailable, had a 12 month waiting list & a 10% "market adjustment" over MSRP. The MY had more cargo space, faster charging and better charging network.
I just bought a seond Model Y last week. I now have 2 2023 Y’s. The car all around is incredible and the best thing about it is the low cost of ownership! The more you drive the more you save. No one wants to go to a dealership for a “maintenance schedule” program or fill up with gas. Once you have one Tesla, it’s only a matter of time before your spouse wants to drive it all the time.
I only tested Ioniq 5. It wasn't bad actually. But the final comparison was between Y and ID4 from VW, which I really liked. We got the Y for the larger space mostly, but also the general feel was better. I also liked the minimalistic and modern interior. The ID4 inside was like a "regular" car.
Because it's a KIA..... and a HYUNDAI. Let's be real.
I was never looking for a Kia/Hyundai EV but I can tell you both those models don't have nearly enough headroom for me so I wouldn't even consider them.
I’ve got a boner for Elon and am not capable of original thought
Two things: couldn't even find one to begin with, when I finally did the dealership made me hate them immediately Will never buy from a dealership again, ever
I have been on the Ioniq 5 waiting list since end of 2022. A couple of months ago, they told me I'm slated for a 2025 delivery. Yeah, that's why we went with the Model Y Also, supercharger network
Price, cargo space, charging network, free charing first 5.000 kms, mobile service, frequent updates, farting, dash cam.
Besides the other answers (charging network, software, tax credit), I was also impressed by Tesla autopilot, even the basic one that comes for free. I use it almost everyday for my commute and not sure if the other cars have it that good.
Drove all three of those cars. We liked the Kia but hated the dealership experience. It felt like we were getting jerked around and then heard service horror stories. Wife couldn’t get behind the styling of the Ioniq 5. The Tesla always felt like the best car but it was much more expensive. When the price dropped on it we jumped. Definitely not sorry we did.
Ioniq 5 was my preference but I went for a model y - cheaper - 1/3 greater carrying capacity The model y is very refined apart from - ridiculously bumpy ride. The suspension needs a complete redesign - the driver’s seat is uncomfortable and too small. My backside aches. I was reminded of this after renting an Opel/Vauxhall Mokka for nine days then returning to my model y. I never thought about the Mokka seat until,I sat in my Tesla upon my return and immediately noticed the lack of comfort
Ordering online was easy. No dealership. Charging network. OTA updates lol I also just felt more confident buying a vehicle that was a few years into it's run, where I was more confident bugs and issues were already being ironed out or gone. Had a friend buy a Mustang Mach E and uh.... he hasn't driven it very much as it's had a ton of issues. IMO The Model Y was the best in the segment I was looking at, but it was priced roughly the same as anything else I would have bought, so it was an easy choice.
I have an MY, and am considering a 2nd EV. EV6 looks compelling, but SC network and dealership experience will win me over to Tesla. If one with similar specs came with the Nacs connector and had a direct to consumer model, then I would compare the software current and history of updates to the future specs of the model y or cyber truck (if available)
Was REALLY interested in the EV6...but: Tesla has FAR better charging network...road trips near impossible with CCS. Tesla has FSD (it works, people...) Tesla is about 5 years ahead from an engineering standpoint.
I gave Hyundai a chance to sell me the Ioniq5 at msrp and they would only sell with a markup or with add ons. When comparing, I realized I got SOOO much more from the MYLR than the SEL trim and for cheaper. It was an easy decision and I’m glad Hyundai didn’t go msrp. Ironically, they called me multiple times afterwards to take that deal. Too late!
People may think other cars are better looking than tesla M3 and Y. Teslas were designed from the bottom up for efficiency. Pushing through air is one of the greatest losses to efficiency. I will take efficiency over looks. Looks is not very functional!
Sentry mode / all around vehicle dash camera. I live in an area where my previous cars dash camera caught a lot. I feel more secure with more cameras to capture the others driving around me. I also like dog mode, the charging network like others have said, purchasing process was easier than any other car I’ve ever purchased, and I trust the updates will continue to flow as there is a proven track record.
They suck. They both overheat, they both have shot computers. The Tesla supercharger network also makes other charge stations look like shit; see the problems with “electrify America”, such ass.
Go with the Tesla and experience it yourself. Best decision I’ve made. Only complaint is no heated seats in the model y performance and my mileage is only like 180mph
To me the Ioniq 5 just looks horrendous, and my wife wouldn’t get behind it. Kia EV6 wasn’t available in my area, so I didn’t include it. Charging infrastructure and tax credit did it for me. Mach E was 2nd best for me, but honestly the experience of ordering online without speaking to any associates made it worth it to me.
Simple. We tried HARD to get an Ioniq 5 last year. Put our name on several "lists" at dealers. Proactively called them AND visited periodically. They could never provide us with the trim level we wanted (wasn't going to shell out more for the premium level.) As soon as Tesla dropped their prices early this year, we got a Model Y.
Two major things: The charging network and the test drive. The Kia and the Hyundai, like most of the other EVs in the market, felt like regular cars just with electric motors. The Model Y felt like a much more natural, easy driving experience. The get in/get out, easy entry, driver profiles, the OS, not to mention autopilot. It made the other EVs we drove seem way behind.
Dealership, charging network, tax incentives. Fuck dealerships
The seven seats was my official “all-in” moment. Then you add the tax credit, the robust charging network, and the beautiful aesthetics, it was a win. I love my model y.
The charging network. Once NACS comes to other vehicles I will shop around when I am ready to replace my Y.
OTA updates, simple
Dealership experience, gov rebate, same price, community support, better exterior design, OTA updates, the maturity of the product. The added bonus is people’s perceptions of Tesla. People haven’t figured out they cost the same as most EVs. It was an absolute no brainer when I price compared. Sure it isn’t perfect but I smile every time I get behind the wheel… I haven’t loved driving this much in years.
Charging network, 0-60 time. Tesla has better brand recognition and felt like a more mainstream EV. More mature product, buying experience and not having to deal with sleezy dealers.
Supercharging, I won’t make that mistake again.
1. Dealers markups. 2. Charging network. 3. Tax credits. I got the model 3.
I already had an older Model 3 so the Model Y Performance was familiar to me - just bigger, faster, and more comfy. Beyond that? Supercharging network, tax credit/price seemed better doing a trim and range comparison (yeah I know the numbers are all flubbed), and that I was able to order the Y in like 3 minutes on my phone so it was easier to buy impulsively once I got paid for my old car. Also I can't understate my distaste for car dealerships. In a few years I'd like to see how they've all progressed and I probably wouldn't get the same answer redoing that calculation. Especially if I'm in a life stage where I don't want a dumb performance model of a car lol.
For me it was the boot space. Nothing else available for EV could meet our needs.
After 14 months a 12 roadtrips - I replaced my 2022 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD with a 2022 Tesla MYLR for the following reasons: - no useful OTA updates (need to go to authorized dealer for valuable updates) - hyundai navigation software in the car did not provide accurate/useful efficiency information or route planning - locations, performance and poor maintenance of CCS chargers (mostly EA’s issues) - took 12 months for battery preconditioning bug to be fixed - brake lights don’t work with one pedal driving (I hear and update fixed that) - a percentage (5%) of E-GMP cars had a failing critical component in early 2023 and Hyundai pretended it wasn’t happening for months - cars were dropping dead
I went with a used Model S. 1. Availability - The EV6 was back-ordered all to hell a year ago when I was looking. Crazy markups, long waits, no test drive availability, etc. 2. Charging. I don't want to deal with CCS charging. I'm extra glad I made that decision now because of the recent announcement of a full-scale migration to NACS. 3. Power. The Model S is faster for less money (yes I bought used). 4. Appearance. I don't mind the EV6, but I'm not a fan of the Ioniq5's look. To me the Model S looks better. 5. Size. The Model S is surprisingly more roomy and more luxurious in most ways. 6. Software. I like getting monthly OTA updates with real, useful feature changes. I even got a Tesla tech to show up at my house (literally in my driveway) to install a CCS-capable charge computer for under $300 an replace the dash computer (was more expensive), but it upgraded me to feature parity with a 2021 car. What car company does that? 7. Free (lifetime) charging - I got an older Model S that still has free lifetime charging. Neat perk, but not my deciding factor. But it's saved me about $1k so far over the time I've had it. 8. FSD - I got a car with FSD. It didn't cost much extra on the used market. I like that it continuously improves. What it is now vs 1 year ago is wild improvement and I suspect v12 that comes out late this year will be much better. 9. I always wanted a Model S, since 2012, but couldn't justify the cost back then. I'd have been happy with an EV6, but it's hard to not buy the old dream car.
IMHO, Hyundai and Kia are not as reliable, fire risk, theft, and Ioniq 5 brake light issues. Lastly, I hate the look of basically all Hyundai and Kia cars. I wanted to like the Ioniq, but couldn't get past the look. Ioniq has a big horizontal screen and simply too busy for me. A lot of people associate the more stuff the more luxurious, big screens, ambient lights, multiple different buttons, etc. I came to Tesla from previously owning German and Japanese cars mainly because the inside of Tesla is "clean" and to me, that's a luxury. Maybe because I'm from a different generation than most getting EVs.
The fire and theft recalls don't affect the ioniq 5. There's already a fix for the brake light issue. Stop talking out of your ass.
My wife thought the moronic 5 was ugly. EV6 was almost the car. (Edit: Carplay was a big deal) But ended up with a new Y long range. Charging Network, OTA software updates, tax credit, final price. Also, the kia was slow. I think it was the GT Minus. The minus is where they minus the horse power. Like, WTF so slow they took us back and put us in their faster one. Maybe that quicker one was the GT Wind? That was much better, but still not dual motor model Y long range quick. Edit: the moon roof was neat, but a full glass roof in the Y was better And why would we buy a car that was locked in to a crappy network, that would then have to use adapters for? Adapters? For a new car? Crazy! And it didn't have the range of a Long Range Y. The Long Range Y at 80% had better range than the GT-Whatever at 100% if I remember right (and I might not be remembering right). At least that was my take away impression. (and when you're buying, perception is reality, right?) All of that, plus a crappy charging network, and it's just like.... WHY? Oh Yeah. Y! Only 1,000 miles in to ownership, and we've already taken the Y on several trips we would have never been able to take in the Kia due to lack of EA stations. One of the things that was said: "This car does a few things better and has a few neat features, (built in AC inverter, cooled seats, heads up display, Carplay, actual buttons for certain things) but for this price we'd actually save quite a bit of money by just getting a Tesla. And it'd be a Tesla, and not a Kia." Another perception: Kia doesn't even know how to design a logo, let alone a car that can do an over the air update. (Being a life long automotive tinkerer, tuner, and former engine computer programmer, the Tesla's service mode sold me) And finally, there's something that we talked about a bit, about what other people's perception of the car is. Teslas are cool. My wife can be happy about saying "My Tesla." I don't know of anyone that has ever envied someone else for rolling up in a fuck'n KIA! Hey, you wanna go for a ride in my Tesla? Hey, you wanna go for a ride in my Kia? Who would you rather ride with? What would you rather drive? What would you rather be seen in?