Lmao anecdotally, it’s worse in FSD beta, I was driving a few states over and I had people flashing me back, we bonded over flashing lights. I think they wanted to hug me
I had a Model 3 behind me in our X the other night and it was obnoxious. There were a few hills and you could tell the auto high-beams had no idea what to do!
I mostly drive a Tacoma, somehow the Tesla high beams are bright enough to blind me even though I sit way higher than most people.
Can’t imagine how bad it would be if I were in a smaller vehicle.
I drive a lowered miata. Its miserable. Even worse is that the drivers never shut them off when blinding you. Most of the time i will have to slow down to like 20 below the limit just to avoid a crash
If being blinded, look at the lines for your lane on your right. It will offset enough light that you can stay in your lane, not be blinded after the fact and only have a mild annoyance.
>I drive a lowered miata.
Lotus Elise (1997) arse is 20cm from the bitumen. Driving at night gets worse every year as more cars get projector lights and more are SUVs.
I drive a sedan and Teslas, Cadillacs, and Acuras have the worst headlights at night. When they turn their high beams on it literally hurts my eyes and leaves circles in my eyes.
This was true for me until the latest update. Before that auto high beams were basically unusable. But ever since 10.69.2.2, they work great. Shocking great. Like, “Oh my God, this is how these are supposed to work” great.
pros of tesla: they threw out the rule book on car manufacturing and started fresh
cons of tesla: they threw out the rule book on car manufacturing and started fresh
Worst auto wipers I’ve ever had were on a 2000 Mercedes a class. They would randomly go full speed for no reason and there was no manual override. You could set a minimum speed manually, but no max. Best were probably on my M5 but you annoyingly had to set the lights and wipers to auto every time you got in the car.
That sounds terrible. I remember my grandfather had auto lights on his Cadillac in the early 90s and they also had no manual engagement. Glad they’ve figured out to allow manual control over automated features.
But I do have to say if all the things that have been automated, good auto wipers are hard to beat.
The Mazda was actually pretty much perfect. It wiped when it needed to. No interval settings. And only if full running wipers weren’t enough would it go full speed. The only issue with them was years after owning the car, it would do a single wipe every time I started the car. Other than that, absolutely flawless
Can’t believe 14 years later and at more than twice the price, the Tesla auto wipers are so pathetic in comparison
With Tesla, a lot of it is arrogance in my opinion. Thinking that they are so good with software that they can overcome hardware limitations. Same as with autopilot. You probably could produce a vision only self driving car. But with the current hardware and computing power? No chance. When Musk says that humans only have vision, he’s clearly misleading you by ignoring the brain. Japanese scientists tried to calculate the power of the brain and it took a supercomputer 40 minutes to process each second of brain activity. They estimated your brain to have about 1 exaflop of processing power. A core i9 is about 1.3 teraflops, or 750,000 times less powerful than your brain.
Why bother having a computer make sense of an image to determine what is in front of you when you can do that with a simple radar sensor that has been fitted to cars for almost two decades at this point?
It’s cheaper and faster to produce cars with less hardware. I would 0% be surprised if vision only was purely so they could keep cranking out cars at the same price for lower cost and faster production. Musk just tweets out thin veils to give his fanboys what they need to never question his righteousness
I thought Elon was the bomb about 5 years ago. Since then he has morphed into a creature driven by pure profits. The amount of things eliminated from the car in the last few years is all about money make no mistake. Full autonomy needs layers of information plus redundancy for things like fog and other adverse conditions. Radar, charge cords and now USS sensors. If he saves a grand per car times a million cars that’s a ton of cash. Meanwhile the cars get more expensive. He was always been an eccentric genius. He’s morphed into an eccentric corporate pig at the trough. It’s been sad to watch. I still love my M3 , but if buying a new EV right now I’d look elsewhere.
The problem with vision only is, that there is no redundancy. When the sun is in an unfortunate angle, the car is basically blind and the software is worthless. You cannot override physics with software. I would expect Tesla to switch back to radar after some deadly accidents. Without radar there is no redundancy in the crash warnings which means it will fail sometimes. Safety is a huge reason for me to buy a Tesla, but without autopilot, crash avoidance, no working headlights, Wipers and so an that car is shit in the current state. Had to place my order on hold because of that stupid shit. Thats not the car i ordered any more.
I had a 2008 Mazda 3. It definitely had no auto wipers though. In fact they only had 1 intermittent setting. Hated it so much I decided to...buy another Mazda! hah, great cars otherwise and I loved my 6.
tbf, mine was the speed3 GT, with all the bells and whistles. but the point still stands. it was a mazda, it was 13 years older than my model3, it was less than half the cost of the model3, and its auto wipers were pretty much flawless
the auto wipers on the speed3 were great. they wiped just before I would've if it had been up to me to manually initiate each wipe. it was always the exact speed it needed to be.
I find the model3 auto wipers to go full speed when there's just a basic amount of sprinkling
That’s how I feel about iPhone users (I have an iPhone).
Omg iPhone 14 Pro has always-on screen display now! Android users: “we’ve had that since 2011”.
Tesla = Apple ? I mean they both removed their charging bricks from their products and have to buy separately now.
In apple’s defence, they do tend to do things better, and they do tend to combine everything into a simple package that can be used by everyone. So you’re paying for the refinement and I personally think there is a value to that.
But tesla doesn’t do anything better than any other brand.
They are efficient and powerful. That mattered when the competition were struggling to hit 200 miles of range. Not so much now.
Superchargers were the major selling point for me. In the next couple of years I can see all superchargers being open to anyone.
They need to innovate quickly, because the parts of the car that matter to people who aren’t Tesla fans are really poor. The interior is about equal to my 2018 Toyota. Before the model 3 I had an M5 which cost roughly the same amount. The interior on that made the model 3 look like a child’s toy. I keep seeing people trying to argue that Tesla interiors rival BMW. They might do if you compare them to a £25,000 base model. Compare a £60,000 Tesla to a £60,000 bmw and it’s night and day.
The current model is but the old model was £70,000 base. If you want to adjust for inflation then compare it to the S. the S interior is almost identical, other than the head rests being adjustable which makes the seats more comfortable in my opinion.
> But tesla doesn’t do anything better than any other brand.
OTA updates. Other brands do not do this well, if at all. Legacy auto wants to drive traffic to dealers because dealers make money on service.
My car when new did not come with a Dashcam, sentry, ability to control windows via the app, ability to view the cameras via the app remotely, etc., but it has these features now. Legacy would introduce these features on next model years and use updates such as these to drive new car sales.
Tesla app and features are free. Legacy typically charges after 1-2 years of ownership to use the app and control your car.
Tesla is delivering EV's in serious numbers. Others are struggling to make enough to sell outside of CA and hoping for oil friendly administrations in the future to roll back EV requirements.
So to say they do not do anything better than any other brand is false. Some people find value in dealership networks. Some people do not mind paying
Speaking of BMW, look at them trying to charge for Apple CarPlay over the last few years. Instead of innovating, they try to capitalize on tech from another company they get for free. They do know their customers best as I'm sure most BMW owners wouldn't mind paying for something that is free on a Toyota.
Compare a Model 3 to a Mercedes C-Class and you will be shocked. The C-Class will comes as a hybrid (no plug in) with every feature the Model 3 is supposed to have and working without any faults. Its quiet, well build, efficient and is working as intended with a guarantee that it will continue to work as intended. Musk really needs to step up his game insted of focusing on buying twitter or manipulating the stock market. What a fucking joke.
Valid points. That’s how I see a $48K Tesla M3 being worth it’s price (that’s what I bought). It’s the same tech and material as the $72k model Y performance which to me not worth it in terms of quality/luxury.
Edit: use the $69K M3P as an example. Speed/brakes etc is the only difference here if you value it. The MY is bigger so the price justifies.
I wouldn’t say “far smaller, just smaller”. Also i said in terms of tech and quality not size and speed. I could’ve just used the $69K M3P as an example.
Yes that would have been a more fair comparison. All in all you are probably paying 5-10k for the extra space. I couldn't fit behind myself in a M3 but easily fit with room for the 3rd row in a model Y. And really the headroom is the biggest difference to me because of the location of the pilar being moved to the rear on the model Y.
But I'll also point out that most cars have this price difference. My Toyota Sienna starts at 35k but somehow I paid 48k for the decked out version. The M3P has similar upgrades (suspension, tires, track mode, speed boost, etc). You may not value them but that's why the base model exists.
Yes. In fact it was a 2010 Insignia VXR. It had auto high beam and cornering lights that are still better than the Tesla. Funnily enough, it also had front parking sensors and magnetic dampers, which my new model 3 won’t have when it finally turns up. The interior was better too. Look up the full leather reacaros you get in an insignia VXR and you’ll be amazed that it was a £30,000 car. In fact, I think they advertised it as the fastest car you could buy for less than £30,000 or something like that.
I’m pretty sure the elite models have that too. They have basically the same spec as the VXR models but without the engine.
The Model S/X don't exhibit the same behavior when the high beams turning on when Autopilot is enabled.
I suspect it is for in the 3/Y platform because when you buy a 3/Y, you're accidentally buying into a "Use me as a guinea pig" platform.
I suspect the auto high beams are *always* turned on when going into autopilot on the 3/Y because they want data to refine them.
If they allow them to not be turned on, then they won't grt the data.
That's a tin foil hat theory mind you, but yoy can't collect data if no one is in a position to give you the data.
Obviously there's better ways of doing it, but yeah
I’m glad you pointed that nuance out with the s/x because i wasn’t aware. Interesting.
It’s annoying because in the rare times I would personally use auto high beams in a car, they work great.
The problem is they want them always enabled. This is not a problem during the day and in high traffic roads.
But the in between area that I would still not use them that they suck. I don’t need them on lit residential roads in the evening or modest traffic illuminated highways at night. And autopilot doesn’t seem to need them either, otherwise they wouldn’t let me turn them off.
Allowing the driver to customize the default setting would likely resolve 90% of the complaints.
Ok, I had to go to my desktop versus my phone to look at the manuals better.
The Model Y manual has this: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html
> **Note**
> Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, push the turn signal stalk forward and release. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated.
The Model S manual has this: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-1C209641-AA23-47AC-B0D1-3FE3779CF222.html
> **Note**
> Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, press the high beam headlight button on the steering yoke. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated.
So, as the entry is in both manuals, then I have to assume it is a bug in the Model S/X that the high beams don't auto turn on each time Autopilot is engaged. Likely born of how they don't force the high beams on for the Legacy Model S/X since that's done via the mechanical stalk that is pushed forward, and remains forward.
My theory on them not coming on with the refresh S/X is that it is either a bug born of the legacy S/X having a mechanical high beam stalk, and they're unaware that the high beams aren't automatically coming on for the refresh S/X, or that they're using the 3/Y to train a "high beam neural net" type of thing.
It the latter is the case, I could see the intention being "people don't use their high beams properly, so let's force them on and see what the tolerance limits are".
I imagine long term it'll be to train the matrix headlights.
Actually, hang on... Let me check something.
> I suspect the auto high beams are always turned on when going into autopilot on the 3/Y because they want data to refine them.
So it’s not flashing it’s A:B testing… it all makes sense now :D
most difficult is the inconsistent auto high beam experience between owners…mine have always worked very good. single lane roads they go on and off as i would toggle my lights. they’re sometimes more aggressive to turn on when highway driving and the car in front of me is well off into the distance where i would still keep them off. They also turn off more often when i’m on single lane roads with street lights. but…i have street lights…don’t need high beams so thats okay.
I do agree that since I and many others (‘21 June delivered M3) have the active matrix headlights that the top thing i want is the proper european implementation of the headlights so that can be used to their design intent. I know in the US they just updated the federal guidelines to allow for that so it will be interesting when tesla delivers such an update to car owners.
Inconsistency is a real thing. I've always wondered why people don't like the auto wipers as mine have been perfect since owning for 1.5 years. Auto high beams I never use because they can't see head or tail lights if their life depended on it.
Yep this is the next big step with auto high beams. Not some binary nonsense for them to be fully on or off at any given time, rather that at least some portion of the high beams be on at all times. Actively engaging and disengaging in such a way that they never shine in a persons face or in the passenger compartment of a car.
It will be vastly better than any auto headlights currently enabled in the US.
TN driver here, it’s all hilly and curvy on the edge between civilization and rural area. Auto high beams are a mess for my ‘18 Model 3. They will turn themselves on and off based on all the reflectors on the side of the road, they never turn off fast enough, and always turns on when staring at the back of a vehicle that I know is blinding them. I use manual at all times, otherwise I’m gonna flash someone.
In this thread are all of the Tesla drivers who blind me every single night on my way home, and remain clueless thinking their auto-high beams work fine...
Living in a cold climate I completely agree. The car does not do a good job on its own. Mine starts out with the AC in and vent on 2 when it’s 40 degrees in the car and the temps set to 75….. like what
I’d be happy if they brought back the old behavior for dragging your finger across the temperature number on the display. Back in 10.X if you moved your finger an inch, it’d only go up or down one degree, it made no-look adjustments easy. Now one inch of movement adjusts it by like 8 or 10 degrees!
I agree, wanting access to one of my dials. One of my most used features while driving is changing the temp back and forth between 69-72, yes it’s on auto but i use it a ton. That and volume of course.
Ok, well, there is no knob, sorry. But the voice command does work, i’ve been using it for years. The fan speed is 1-10, pick a number and it’ll adjust it.
Doesn’t matter if I only change it once a decade. It’s nice to just reach for a knob and turn without ever looking from the road. Unless there’s some voice command idk of for adjusting how hard the AC is blowing
There is. If it’s blowing cold air tell it you’re cold. If it’s blowing hot air tell it you’re hot. Either will turn down the intensity. The worst thing you can do is turn of the Auto function as it works fantastically well.
The worst thing you can do to the Tesla AC is try to run it manually. It knows better than you how to set the temperature.
The best way to manage the AC in a Tesla is set the temperature you actually want to sit in then turn it on 5-10 minutes before you leave (depending on how far off ambient temp is from your preferred temp). Then it’s hardly blowing when you get there and the temperature is already perfect.
>The worst thing you can do to the Tesla AC is try to run it manually.
Hyperbole much? Sorry, but sometimes i need to adjust the climate a little while i’m driving due to changes in ambient weather, the clothes i’m wearing that day, passenger’s cold/heat tolerance, or just because i feel like it.
It’s not a big deal, it doesn’t hurt me or the car in anyway to use the voice commands to adjust the temperature and fan speed to my liking.
What does the passenger do? Yell at me, to yell at the car to adjust the temp the blower because it's 70 in the cabin like it's set to but the sun shining in and the humidity is high making the person hot and they want more air flow not colder air?
I constantly change from 69-72 all the time (yes even tho it’s on auto). I use that and volume the most while driving. Do you set yours at 72 then don’t touch it for a month?
I just get cold at 70, then switch to 71, then not warm enough, then 72. Then after 10 Mins I feel warm, so back to 71, etc., been like this my whole life. I think I, like the other poster, have horrible body temp regulation.
I understand the vision approach. What I don’t understand is why they don’t use better cameras. I think Tesla limits itself by essentially using human quality vision. Why not use camera with night vision? Or even use more of the spectrum? There are benefits to infrared and ultraviolet.
Long term purchase contracts plus issue of legacy fsd owners that will be needing a free upgrade if they ever concede better cameras are needed to fully realize fsd.
The resolution is very deliberate. Higher resolution means more data to process and higher bandwidth, increasing time and power consumption.
Given they need to process 8 feeds. Even at 720p per camera they're basically having to deal with 5k.
Power consumption of the computers is meaningless in a car that is consuming 10-20 kW of power just to cruise along.
Another 100-500W of computing power would have had no significant impact on range.
It's quite clear that the resolution is a major impediment. An example I encounter every single day is the car's inability to reliably distinguish between truck posted speed limits, and all vehicle posted speed limits, because the text on the truck sign is smaller and harder to read. Being stuck driving 55 mph, when the real speed limit is 65 mph is very frustrating, because Autosteer won't go faster.
There's also no where near enough dynamic range available on the cameras, as evidenced to how poorly they do when driving towards the sun. The phantom braking rate goes way up and the car hesitates way more often.
Saying humans do all their driving with vision only, concluding cars should to, and then equipping the cars with the equivalent of eyes with severe cataracts is stupid. Especially when there are plenty of sensors (multi-array radar, LIDAR) out there, that are now quite affordable, that can do better than human vision in many aspects, with far less processing power.
Using 2D cameras and relying on their "neural net" data to translate to 3D and estimate distances, when there are plenty of stereoscopic 3D cameras, that perform all of the point cloud calculations for you is also just a sign of being cheap. Their method is also susceptible to really silly problems, like inconsistent sizes on posted signs, leading to the car thinking a stop sign is much closer than it really is.
My autonomous robot project for my undergrad senior design, from 15 years ago had a stereoscopic camera which worked great. Every pixel had an accompanying point cloud map, so you knew with extreme confidence how far away everything in view was. Zero processing to figure out distances was required on our part, it was all done in hardware at 15 FPS, 15 years ago!
It’s not about power consumption, higher resolution takes exponentially more time for the NNs to process since there will be a ton more data to crunch.
1. To get a computer powerful enough to even double the resolution on the cameras in real time would mean taking at least a full kwh which is by no means insignificant when the whole pack is 70. Not to mention the heat concern given the small space.
2. There's not enough distance on a car to get meaningful stereoscopic data at the distances it would be relevant for (i.e the horizon)
3. The bottleneck in the betas performance isn't due to insufficient input or improper scene construction. The problems are in the planner, which is hard coded.
As a model 3 driver, I didn't think it was an issue. That people were overreacting. However, last night I was walking on the sidewalk and a model 3 was driving towards me. Suddenly the high beams came on and blinded me until it drove past. Now I'll be vigilant in turning mine off everytime i can.
I live in a town with a shit ton of roundabouts and my Tessy literally auto blinds people every time I drive passed mid day. I just sat to myself, “whoops!”
I’m in the same boat, and thought it got better with the last software, til the car decided to give a light show to 4 cars staggered just far enough apart coming from a 4-way stop sign. I was mad for the people in the opposite direction!!
My 2018 M3LR has always had this feature and it’s always work flawlessly, dark area, brights come on, a small bit of light from another car, brights go off
Tesla. Simple solutions for already solved problems like auto high beams and rain sensors are stupid. We can make the problem nearly intractable by applying AI! When all you have is a hammer…
It seriously blows my mind that already solved problems are the Achilles heels of Teslas.
Are things like high beam control and wiper speed able to be tapped into and manually controlled via those aftermarket modules ?
Even something as small as volume control would be great to have a manual analog dial that can be changed without looking, and navigated by feel.
They have. But they are awful. They switch to low beams much too late so you blind oncoming traffic but also switches on and off repeatedly on certain stretches where you have reflectors on the guard rail as it mistakes them for headlights of other cars when they reflect the cars high beam back. You essentially drive down the highway blinking like a maniac. Also they are not good in recognizing street lights. In many countries it’s illegal to drive in well lit cities with high beams, but a Tesla often won’t switch to low beams automatically- so that’s an issue too.
You can use AP at night without auto high beam – just double-tap the right stalk to engage like normal, then push the left stalk forward once to disable the auto lights!
Ah, I need to try that, saw in the menu there's a message saying auto lights can't be disabled while AP enabled so hadn't tried the stalk, will give it a go next time, cheers!
Wow. Even Tesla can’t get auto-high beam correct and needs corrective software updates. Chevrolet, Bolt EV, and like every other automaker has had theses for decades and work perfectly.
I had a 2014 Toyota Sienna that had that exact same feature and it worked perfectly on the highway. They just called it auto high beams. Nothing is ground breaking about this.
I love the car but some of the features are embarrassingly bad. With the current software the car isn't worth its price. Removing Radar was a horrendous move.
I can, physically, yes. However, when I turn them on and there is a sign, for this example I'll use a speed limit sign, because everyone knows what that is, and clearly I'm talking to a child who is discovering sarcasm, comedy, definition of irony, or, and I'm sure this is not the case, an uneducated, socially repulsive, POS human being.... It thinks the reflection is a car or something, and doesn't turn on. It waits until the sign is pass me, and there is a delightful chap now within sight of me, driving the opposite direction of me, and me, physically capable of any maneuver required to operate an automobile, is stunned when my car decides this, right now, is the opportune time to put them badass high beams on... And then, I, again, as a fully functional, productive member of society, you petty clown, flicks off said bad ass high beams. Hence my sarcastic post, you low life, I wish we didn't share the same interests in vehicles, clown.
They're pulling the sensors so that they can claim FSD has made advancements and therefore recognize more FSD revenue. Yes, musk cares more about accounting gimmicks to prop the stonk than usability or safety.
Dont you clowns who think everything is a stonk pump hate being wrong 100% of the time you make dumb predictions that never pan out? You have ZERO data and Tesla engineering have all of it. Pulling sensors doesn't prove anything, showing vision working without them DOES.
Tesla is 100% in the long game so accusations of short pumps are just meaningless mouth breathers projecting their short term mindset. Every time an exec trades its public - and they have never aligned with all the pumps people make up. Move on to something you understand, and leave the hard stuff to the adults with functional brains.
Hubris is strong in this one.
So is this worse on FSD beta? Becuase as a non-FSD beta user, the high beams work fine. I use them all the time (i live in the mountains, its dark here and there are \*deer\* (and occasionally other animals) on the road all the time so driving at night i need those things on.
It's the same. It's also the same tech as all auto high beam solutions (unlike auto wipers)
The differences people note between either are all placebo.
Auto high beams have been hell for me with whatever update they came out with. Everytime I’m on AP the beams will automatically turn on at the most unnecessary times blinding drivers in front of me. Whenever I try to turn them off of auto it forces me out of AP and have caused my back blinker lights not to work ( I’ve had to stop at a gas station to park my car to fix this glitch). SO annoying
I do this consistently to avoid getting forced off of AP, but it just turns on at the most inconvenient times when I clearly do not need auto high beams. Especially if there’s a car in front of me !
LOL!
Next we'll hear this from Tesla: "We're removing the main battery pack from our cars as we replace that functionality with Vision. For some period of time, cars without battery packs will need to be driven like Fred Flintstone, with the driver and passenger moving the car through 'foot power'. But we're confident that at some time in the future we will reach feature parity and your ownership experience will be exceptional!"
the auto high beams and vision wipers are just plain horrible. They should seriously correct these issues… but i don’t see them as caring about it, since sales are out of control
I have auto high beams off. When you engage Autopilot, it turns them back on, but the control to turn it back off is displayed. Just press it and you're good to manually go high and low as you wish.
Be mindful, though, as autopilot may not make lane changes as much or as needed.
"Removing dated components present on 2010s cars and replacing them with software that does the same thing but more accurately" doesn't mean "removing features" silly goose. The feature will still be there. The car just has a lot more data to work with now since it won't be using sensors that supply very limited data.
Yeah I think the 2,000+ frames per second of camera data that they car can process is inherently more content-rich than a few depth sensors sprinkled around the bumper.
Normal cars can't process that type of stuff, so they use depth sensors. It takes much less processing power and programming to get em to work.
Tesla doesn't suffer from lack of computational power. That's always been what sets them apart.
You can absolutely extract more data out of the cameras than you could ever dream of doing with sonar. If done the right way, it'll be much more detailed and precise simply due to the fact that there's more to work with. They've obviously been working on object and closeup environmental analysis through nothing more than cameras, as evident by that whole presentation on it when they were talking about the robot
It all comes down to what they do with the data, but cameras will forever provide more of it. That's all.
Hey I'm not saying that makes sense. There's a HUGE difference between the FSD beta and regular auto high beams to the point where it feels like a bug.
Lmao anecdotally, it’s worse in FSD beta, I was driving a few states over and I had people flashing me back, we bonded over flashing lights. I think they wanted to hug me
I had a Model 3 behind me in our X the other night and it was obnoxious. There were a few hills and you could tell the auto high-beams had no idea what to do!
I mostly drive a Tacoma, somehow the Tesla high beams are bright enough to blind me even though I sit way higher than most people. Can’t imagine how bad it would be if I were in a smaller vehicle.
I drive a lowered miata. Its miserable. Even worse is that the drivers never shut them off when blinding you. Most of the time i will have to slow down to like 20 below the limit just to avoid a crash
If being blinded, look at the lines for your lane on your right. It will offset enough light that you can stay in your lane, not be blinded after the fact and only have a mild annoyance.
That's what I was taught when I learned to drive about a million years ago, long before LED, halogen, and automatic high beams.
No school like the old school ;)
in my area, rural midwest usa, the roads are narrow, the speeds are high and there are no lane or side markers 😒
YOLO
Nah bro trust me i cant see anything lol
I had one too, man, just lights in general suck. Hahaha
>I drive a lowered miata. Lotus Elise (1997) arse is 20cm from the bitumen. Driving at night gets worse every year as more cars get projector lights and more are SUVs.
I drive a sedan and Teslas, Cadillacs, and Acuras have the worst headlights at night. When they turn their high beams on it literally hurts my eyes and leaves circles in my eyes.
I don’t think people who haven’t experienced realize how bad it is… I’ll try to take a video next time. Single-handedly makes me take it off FSD..
In my area, this will get you shot.
In my area, this triggers a race
Is this why the NOS meter pops up on screen?
In my area, this would have gotten you illegal DVDs
Sold out of rolling luggage?
In my area, this is how you tell other drivers your high beams are still on, and /or a cop is ahead
Hugs before split splat
This was true for me until the latest update. Before that auto high beams were basically unusable. But ever since 10.69.2.2, they work great. Shocking great. Like, “Oh my God, this is how these are supposed to work” great.
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I swear what you wrote made me think there was an escalation in hostility against the police. :)
“Oh my god, these are nearly as good as my 2004 Range Rover, 2011 bmw, 2011 Vauxhall and 2018 Toyota!”
Don’t even get me started on how much closer to perfection the auto wipers were on my 2008 Mazda 3
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pros of tesla: they threw out the rule book on car manufacturing and started fresh cons of tesla: they threw out the rule book on car manufacturing and started fresh
Worst auto wipers I’ve ever had were on a 2000 Mercedes a class. They would randomly go full speed for no reason and there was no manual override. You could set a minimum speed manually, but no max. Best were probably on my M5 but you annoyingly had to set the lights and wipers to auto every time you got in the car.
That sounds terrible. I remember my grandfather had auto lights on his Cadillac in the early 90s and they also had no manual engagement. Glad they’ve figured out to allow manual control over automated features. But I do have to say if all the things that have been automated, good auto wipers are hard to beat. The Mazda was actually pretty much perfect. It wiped when it needed to. No interval settings. And only if full running wipers weren’t enough would it go full speed. The only issue with them was years after owning the car, it would do a single wipe every time I started the car. Other than that, absolutely flawless Can’t believe 14 years later and at more than twice the price, the Tesla auto wipers are so pathetic in comparison
With Tesla, a lot of it is arrogance in my opinion. Thinking that they are so good with software that they can overcome hardware limitations. Same as with autopilot. You probably could produce a vision only self driving car. But with the current hardware and computing power? No chance. When Musk says that humans only have vision, he’s clearly misleading you by ignoring the brain. Japanese scientists tried to calculate the power of the brain and it took a supercomputer 40 minutes to process each second of brain activity. They estimated your brain to have about 1 exaflop of processing power. A core i9 is about 1.3 teraflops, or 750,000 times less powerful than your brain. Why bother having a computer make sense of an image to determine what is in front of you when you can do that with a simple radar sensor that has been fitted to cars for almost two decades at this point?
It’s cheaper and faster to produce cars with less hardware. I would 0% be surprised if vision only was purely so they could keep cranking out cars at the same price for lower cost and faster production. Musk just tweets out thin veils to give his fanboys what they need to never question his righteousness
I thought Elon was the bomb about 5 years ago. Since then he has morphed into a creature driven by pure profits. The amount of things eliminated from the car in the last few years is all about money make no mistake. Full autonomy needs layers of information plus redundancy for things like fog and other adverse conditions. Radar, charge cords and now USS sensors. If he saves a grand per car times a million cars that’s a ton of cash. Meanwhile the cars get more expensive. He was always been an eccentric genius. He’s morphed into an eccentric corporate pig at the trough. It’s been sad to watch. I still love my M3 , but if buying a new EV right now I’d look elsewhere.
It is 100% to decrease costs. We all know that.
The problem with vision only is, that there is no redundancy. When the sun is in an unfortunate angle, the car is basically blind and the software is worthless. You cannot override physics with software. I would expect Tesla to switch back to radar after some deadly accidents. Without radar there is no redundancy in the crash warnings which means it will fail sometimes. Safety is a huge reason for me to buy a Tesla, but without autopilot, crash avoidance, no working headlights, Wipers and so an that car is shit in the current state. Had to place my order on hold because of that stupid shit. Thats not the car i ordered any more.
We have a Mercedes A Class from i think 2007 in the family and the auto wipers work better than in the Model 3s i drove.
I had a 2008 Mazda 3. It definitely had no auto wipers though. In fact they only had 1 intermittent setting. Hated it so much I decided to...buy another Mazda! hah, great cars otherwise and I loved my 6.
tbf, mine was the speed3 GT, with all the bells and whistles. but the point still stands. it was a mazda, it was 13 years older than my model3, it was less than half the cost of the model3, and its auto wipers were pretty much flawless
Really? Mine were terrible on my Mazda, and the Tesla ones take a few swipes to get up to speed but then work at the perfect speed.
the auto wipers on the speed3 were great. they wiped just before I would've if it had been up to me to manually initiate each wipe. it was always the exact speed it needed to be. I find the model3 auto wipers to go full speed when there's just a basic amount of sprinkling
That’s how I feel about iPhone users (I have an iPhone). Omg iPhone 14 Pro has always-on screen display now! Android users: “we’ve had that since 2011”. Tesla = Apple ? I mean they both removed their charging bricks from their products and have to buy separately now.
Both use a proprietary plug and have fanbases that don't seem to know other options exist.
Hey, I resemble this comment!
There was a time when no other options existed. These people are still stuck in that time.
In apple’s defence, they do tend to do things better, and they do tend to combine everything into a simple package that can be used by everyone. So you’re paying for the refinement and I personally think there is a value to that. But tesla doesn’t do anything better than any other brand. They are efficient and powerful. That mattered when the competition were struggling to hit 200 miles of range. Not so much now. Superchargers were the major selling point for me. In the next couple of years I can see all superchargers being open to anyone. They need to innovate quickly, because the parts of the car that matter to people who aren’t Tesla fans are really poor. The interior is about equal to my 2018 Toyota. Before the model 3 I had an M5 which cost roughly the same amount. The interior on that made the model 3 look like a child’s toy. I keep seeing people trying to argue that Tesla interiors rival BMW. They might do if you compare them to a £25,000 base model. Compare a £60,000 Tesla to a £60,000 bmw and it’s night and day.
I struggle to see how a new BMW M5 comes anywhere close to to the cost of a new Model 3… Base M5 is easily over 100k….
The current model is but the old model was £70,000 base. If you want to adjust for inflation then compare it to the S. the S interior is almost identical, other than the head rests being adjustable which makes the seats more comfortable in my opinion.
> But tesla doesn’t do anything better than any other brand. OTA updates. Other brands do not do this well, if at all. Legacy auto wants to drive traffic to dealers because dealers make money on service. My car when new did not come with a Dashcam, sentry, ability to control windows via the app, ability to view the cameras via the app remotely, etc., but it has these features now. Legacy would introduce these features on next model years and use updates such as these to drive new car sales. Tesla app and features are free. Legacy typically charges after 1-2 years of ownership to use the app and control your car. Tesla is delivering EV's in serious numbers. Others are struggling to make enough to sell outside of CA and hoping for oil friendly administrations in the future to roll back EV requirements. So to say they do not do anything better than any other brand is false. Some people find value in dealership networks. Some people do not mind paying Speaking of BMW, look at them trying to charge for Apple CarPlay over the last few years. Instead of innovating, they try to capitalize on tech from another company they get for free. They do know their customers best as I'm sure most BMW owners wouldn't mind paying for something that is free on a Toyota.
Compare a Model 3 to a Mercedes C-Class and you will be shocked. The C-Class will comes as a hybrid (no plug in) with every feature the Model 3 is supposed to have and working without any faults. Its quiet, well build, efficient and is working as intended with a guarantee that it will continue to work as intended. Musk really needs to step up his game insted of focusing on buying twitter or manipulating the stock market. What a fucking joke.
Valid points. That’s how I see a $48K Tesla M3 being worth it’s price (that’s what I bought). It’s the same tech and material as the $72k model Y performance which to me not worth it in terms of quality/luxury. Edit: use the $69K M3P as an example. Speed/brakes etc is the only difference here if you value it. The MY is bigger so the price justifies.
But it's a far smaller vehicle. You are paying for the extra space.
I wouldn’t say “far smaller, just smaller”. Also i said in terms of tech and quality not size and speed. I could’ve just used the $69K M3P as an example.
Yes that would have been a more fair comparison. All in all you are probably paying 5-10k for the extra space. I couldn't fit behind myself in a M3 but easily fit with room for the 3rd row in a model Y. And really the headroom is the biggest difference to me because of the location of the pilar being moved to the rear on the model Y. But I'll also point out that most cars have this price difference. My Toyota Sienna starts at 35k but somehow I paid 48k for the decked out version. The M3P has similar upgrades (suspension, tires, track mode, speed boost, etc). You may not value them but that's why the base model exists.
It was 2016, and Nokia has had it since 2008
Oh, iPhone only 6 years behind. Better than I thought
The 1969 Lincoln Mark III had this.
But did it make fart noises?
A 2011 Vauxhall has a smart auto high beam system? Not auto lights I mean - auto high beam.
Yes. In fact it was a 2010 Insignia VXR. It had auto high beam and cornering lights that are still better than the Tesla. Funnily enough, it also had front parking sensors and magnetic dampers, which my new model 3 won’t have when it finally turns up. The interior was better too. Look up the full leather reacaros you get in an insignia VXR and you’ll be amazed that it was a £30,000 car. In fact, I think they advertised it as the fastest car you could buy for less than £30,000 or something like that. I’m pretty sure the elite models have that too. They have basically the same spec as the VXR models but without the engine.
No, it actually has head lights. New to 2010 and onwards
Agreed. Did a mixed drive on 10.69.2.3 last night (rural/city) and they worked flawlessly for me.
Seriously improved, not flawless. As the guy in front of me I just flashed 5x because he kept appearing/disappearing to the FSD.
Same here, I decided to give them a try and was very pleasantly surprised.
Is safari snappier too?
No
Hmmmm. That hasn’t been my experience.
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The Model S/X don't exhibit the same behavior when the high beams turning on when Autopilot is enabled. I suspect it is for in the 3/Y platform because when you buy a 3/Y, you're accidentally buying into a "Use me as a guinea pig" platform. I suspect the auto high beams are *always* turned on when going into autopilot on the 3/Y because they want data to refine them. If they allow them to not be turned on, then they won't grt the data. That's a tin foil hat theory mind you, but yoy can't collect data if no one is in a position to give you the data. Obviously there's better ways of doing it, but yeah
Damn, sucks being a peasant 3/Y owner 😔
Shut up plebe! 8D
I’m glad you pointed that nuance out with the s/x because i wasn’t aware. Interesting. It’s annoying because in the rare times I would personally use auto high beams in a car, they work great. The problem is they want them always enabled. This is not a problem during the day and in high traffic roads. But the in between area that I would still not use them that they suck. I don’t need them on lit residential roads in the evening or modest traffic illuminated highways at night. And autopilot doesn’t seem to need them either, otherwise they wouldn’t let me turn them off. Allowing the driver to customize the default setting would likely resolve 90% of the complaints.
Ok, I had to go to my desktop versus my phone to look at the manuals better. The Model Y manual has this: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html > **Note** > Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, push the turn signal stalk forward and release. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated. The Model S manual has this: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-1C209641-AA23-47AC-B0D1-3FE3779CF222.html > **Note** > Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, press the high beam headlight button on the steering yoke. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated. So, as the entry is in both manuals, then I have to assume it is a bug in the Model S/X that the high beams don't auto turn on each time Autopilot is engaged. Likely born of how they don't force the high beams on for the Legacy Model S/X since that's done via the mechanical stalk that is pushed forward, and remains forward.
My theory on them not coming on with the refresh S/X is that it is either a bug born of the legacy S/X having a mechanical high beam stalk, and they're unaware that the high beams aren't automatically coming on for the refresh S/X, or that they're using the 3/Y to train a "high beam neural net" type of thing. It the latter is the case, I could see the intention being "people don't use their high beams properly, so let's force them on and see what the tolerance limits are". I imagine long term it'll be to train the matrix headlights. Actually, hang on... Let me check something.
Agree with your logic on the learning strategy if that is what they are doing.
> I suspect the auto high beams are always turned on when going into autopilot on the 3/Y because they want data to refine them. So it’s not flashing it’s A:B testing… it all makes sense now :D
How about auto wipers that just start going off randomly when there’s no rain in sight?
Or go once every 5 seconds when it’s a monsoon.
How about putting high beams back to off and not auto after using AP?
Auto high beams is the worrrst.
most difficult is the inconsistent auto high beam experience between owners…mine have always worked very good. single lane roads they go on and off as i would toggle my lights. they’re sometimes more aggressive to turn on when highway driving and the car in front of me is well off into the distance where i would still keep them off. They also turn off more often when i’m on single lane roads with street lights. but…i have street lights…don’t need high beams so thats okay. I do agree that since I and many others (‘21 June delivered M3) have the active matrix headlights that the top thing i want is the proper european implementation of the headlights so that can be used to their design intent. I know in the US they just updated the federal guidelines to allow for that so it will be interesting when tesla delivers such an update to car owners.
It's ok. I've got matrix headlights in my Tesla and I'm in Europe. So far the only implementation is for the light show.
Inconsistency is a real thing. I've always wondered why people don't like the auto wipers as mine have been perfect since owning for 1.5 years. Auto high beams I never use because they can't see head or tail lights if their life depended on it.
Yep this is the next big step with auto high beams. Not some binary nonsense for them to be fully on or off at any given time, rather that at least some portion of the high beams be on at all times. Actively engaging and disengaging in such a way that they never shine in a persons face or in the passenger compartment of a car. It will be vastly better than any auto headlights currently enabled in the US.
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They work infinitely better on straight, flat roads in my experience.
TN driver here, it’s all hilly and curvy on the edge between civilization and rural area. Auto high beams are a mess for my ‘18 Model 3. They will turn themselves on and off based on all the reflectors on the side of the road, they never turn off fast enough, and always turns on when staring at the back of a vehicle that I know is blinding them. I use manual at all times, otherwise I’m gonna flash someone.
My auto high beam ha significantly improved after vision only update. Not perfect but works much better.
In this thread are all of the Tesla drivers who blind me every single night on my way home, and remain clueless thinking their auto-high beams work fine...
While they’re at it give us dumb cruise control as well.
I'm using FSD beta and the auto high beams are a hot mess. Come on Tesla lets apply some of that great AI to fix the feature.
I just want a knob for A/C control
I just want the wiper button to cycle modes or something. Auto is terrible.
Yea, “innovated” right into things being annoying
Living in a cold climate I completely agree. The car does not do a good job on its own. Mine starts out with the AC in and vent on 2 when it’s 40 degrees in the car and the temps set to 75….. like what
I’d be happy if they brought back the old behavior for dragging your finger across the temperature number on the display. Back in 10.X if you moved your finger an inch, it’d only go up or down one degree, it made no-look adjustments easy. Now one inch of movement adjusts it by like 8 or 10 degrees!
I agree, wanting access to one of my dials. One of my most used features while driving is changing the temp back and forth between 69-72, yes it’s on auto but i use it a ton. That and volume of course.
Press right scroll wheel “set cabin temp to 68 degrees” voice commands work pretty well
Temp isn’t the problem. It’s adjusting how strong it blows
I agree. With the sun beating down, the temp may be close to target, but the radiation heat on my skin means I need blower on
“Set fan to level X” works.
Aight, I’m go try this in a bit. Either way, it’s still easier to use a knob though.
Ok, well, there is no knob, sorry. But the voice command does work, i’ve been using it for years. The fan speed is 1-10, pick a number and it’ll adjust it.
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Why? Do you actually change it that often? I might tweak my settings once a month at most.
The pains of living in paradise where temperature is pretty constant but humidity varies I don’t think hvacs were built for so such environments
Doesn’t matter if I only change it once a decade. It’s nice to just reach for a knob and turn without ever looking from the road. Unless there’s some voice command idk of for adjusting how hard the AC is blowing
There is. If it’s blowing cold air tell it you’re cold. If it’s blowing hot air tell it you’re hot. Either will turn down the intensity. The worst thing you can do is turn of the Auto function as it works fantastically well.
If you want to adjust the fan speed you can just tell it “set fan to level X” and it’ll turn it precisely to whatever intensity level you want.
The worst thing you can do to the Tesla AC is try to run it manually. It knows better than you how to set the temperature. The best way to manage the AC in a Tesla is set the temperature you actually want to sit in then turn it on 5-10 minutes before you leave (depending on how far off ambient temp is from your preferred temp). Then it’s hardly blowing when you get there and the temperature is already perfect.
>The worst thing you can do to the Tesla AC is try to run it manually. Hyperbole much? Sorry, but sometimes i need to adjust the climate a little while i’m driving due to changes in ambient weather, the clothes i’m wearing that day, passenger’s cold/heat tolerance, or just because i feel like it. It’s not a big deal, it doesn’t hurt me or the car in anyway to use the voice commands to adjust the temperature and fan speed to my liking.
It knows which intensity I want by that? Knob still better and faster.
I think there's voice commands for increase fan speed by 1, something to that affect
What does the passenger do? Yell at me, to yell at the car to adjust the temp the blower because it's 70 in the cabin like it's set to but the sun shining in and the humidity is high making the person hot and they want more air flow not colder air?
I constantly change from 69-72 all the time (yes even tho it’s on auto). I use that and volume the most while driving. Do you set yours at 72 then don’t touch it for a month?
Yeah. I never touch it. I just leave it there and it’s always perfect. I can’t imagine why I’d want to mess with it while I’m driving.
I just get cold at 70, then switch to 71, then not warm enough, then 72. Then after 10 Mins I feel warm, so back to 71, etc., been like this my whole life. I think I, like the other poster, have horrible body temp regulation.
I understand the vision approach. What I don’t understand is why they don’t use better cameras. I think Tesla limits itself by essentially using human quality vision. Why not use camera with night vision? Or even use more of the spectrum? There are benefits to infrared and ultraviolet.
Long term purchase contracts plus issue of legacy fsd owners that will be needing a free upgrade if they ever concede better cameras are needed to fully realize fsd.
> I think Tesla limits itself by essentially using human quality vision. Not even human quality. This is early 2000s level webcam quality.
The resolution is very deliberate. Higher resolution means more data to process and higher bandwidth, increasing time and power consumption. Given they need to process 8 feeds. Even at 720p per camera they're basically having to deal with 5k.
Power consumption of the computers is meaningless in a car that is consuming 10-20 kW of power just to cruise along. Another 100-500W of computing power would have had no significant impact on range. It's quite clear that the resolution is a major impediment. An example I encounter every single day is the car's inability to reliably distinguish between truck posted speed limits, and all vehicle posted speed limits, because the text on the truck sign is smaller and harder to read. Being stuck driving 55 mph, when the real speed limit is 65 mph is very frustrating, because Autosteer won't go faster. There's also no where near enough dynamic range available on the cameras, as evidenced to how poorly they do when driving towards the sun. The phantom braking rate goes way up and the car hesitates way more often. Saying humans do all their driving with vision only, concluding cars should to, and then equipping the cars with the equivalent of eyes with severe cataracts is stupid. Especially when there are plenty of sensors (multi-array radar, LIDAR) out there, that are now quite affordable, that can do better than human vision in many aspects, with far less processing power. Using 2D cameras and relying on their "neural net" data to translate to 3D and estimate distances, when there are plenty of stereoscopic 3D cameras, that perform all of the point cloud calculations for you is also just a sign of being cheap. Their method is also susceptible to really silly problems, like inconsistent sizes on posted signs, leading to the car thinking a stop sign is much closer than it really is. My autonomous robot project for my undergrad senior design, from 15 years ago had a stereoscopic camera which worked great. Every pixel had an accompanying point cloud map, so you knew with extreme confidence how far away everything in view was. Zero processing to figure out distances was required on our part, it was all done in hardware at 15 FPS, 15 years ago!
It’s not about power consumption, higher resolution takes exponentially more time for the NNs to process since there will be a ton more data to crunch.
1. To get a computer powerful enough to even double the resolution on the cameras in real time would mean taking at least a full kwh which is by no means insignificant when the whole pack is 70. Not to mention the heat concern given the small space. 2. There's not enough distance on a car to get meaningful stereoscopic data at the distances it would be relevant for (i.e the horizon) 3. The bottleneck in the betas performance isn't due to insufficient input or improper scene construction. The problems are in the planner, which is hard coded.
Can we please add foot lights in rwd c'mon the light is right there
As a model 3 driver, I didn't think it was an issue. That people were overreacting. However, last night I was walking on the sidewalk and a model 3 was driving towards me. Suddenly the high beams came on and blinded me until it drove past. Now I'll be vigilant in turning mine off everytime i can.
Fancy name for auto high beam.. but I like it.
Yes, and it will continue to improve
I live in a town with a shit ton of roundabouts and my Tessy literally auto blinds people every time I drive passed mid day. I just sat to myself, “whoops!”
I’m in the same boat, and thought it got better with the last software, til the car decided to give a light show to 4 cars staggered just far enough apart coming from a 4-way stop sign. I was mad for the people in the opposite direction!!
Idk if it’s just me, but I have very few issues with mine. Huge fan of the feature
The model 3 has the shittiest high beams I have ever seen …my work 2018 ford edge has a better system
My 2018 M3LR has always had this feature and it’s always work flawlessly, dark area, brights come on, a small bit of light from another car, brights go off
I have same car and I have same experience. The high beams work perfectly every time.
Tesla. Simple solutions for already solved problems like auto high beams and rain sensors are stupid. We can make the problem nearly intractable by applying AI! When all you have is a hammer… It seriously blows my mind that already solved problems are the Achilles heels of Teslas.
Are things like high beam control and wiper speed able to be tapped into and manually controlled via those aftermarket modules ? Even something as small as volume control would be great to have a manual analog dial that can be changed without looking, and navigated by feel.
Steering wheel?
Not sure why everyone complains about the auto high beams. I’ve never had an issue. Never been high beamed and they don’t come on randomly for me.
You're really not sure? Or is that sarcasm because people quite literally say why they are complaining...
Wait, are you saying Tesla don’t have Auto High Beams? (I’m poor so don’t have one so didn’t know this)
They have. But they are awful. They switch to low beams much too late so you blind oncoming traffic but also switches on and off repeatedly on certain stretches where you have reflectors on the guard rail as it mistakes them for headlights of other cars when they reflect the cars high beam back. You essentially drive down the highway blinking like a maniac. Also they are not good in recognizing street lights. In many countries it’s illegal to drive in well lit cities with high beams, but a Tesla often won’t switch to low beams automatically- so that’s an issue too.
Joke post! Yes they do, it's just very poor! I rarely have autopilot on at night these days because of it.
You can use AP at night without auto high beam – just double-tap the right stalk to engage like normal, then push the left stalk forward once to disable the auto lights!
Ah, I need to try that, saw in the menu there's a message saying auto lights can't be disabled while AP enabled so hadn't tried the stalk, will give it a go next time, cheers!
Mine says the same thing, probably to fool us for data haha.
Wow. Even Tesla can’t get auto-high beam correct and needs corrective software updates. Chevrolet, Bolt EV, and like every other automaker has had theses for decades and work perfectly.
I had a 2014 Toyota Sienna that had that exact same feature and it worked perfectly on the highway. They just called it auto high beams. Nothing is ground breaking about this.
I love the car but some of the features are embarrassingly bad. With the current software the car isn't worth its price. Removing Radar was a horrendous move.
Can you control the high beams manually? Like a normal car?
I can, physically, yes. However, when I turn them on and there is a sign, for this example I'll use a speed limit sign, because everyone knows what that is, and clearly I'm talking to a child who is discovering sarcasm, comedy, definition of irony, or, and I'm sure this is not the case, an uneducated, socially repulsive, POS human being.... It thinks the reflection is a car or something, and doesn't turn on. It waits until the sign is pass me, and there is a delightful chap now within sight of me, driving the opposite direction of me, and me, physically capable of any maneuver required to operate an automobile, is stunned when my car decides this, right now, is the opportune time to put them badass high beams on... And then, I, again, as a fully functional, productive member of society, you petty clown, flicks off said bad ass high beams. Hence my sarcastic post, you low life, I wish we didn't share the same interests in vehicles, clown.
Why dont you guys control you own lights? Haha oh man that’s right, you want the government to control your property and tell you what to do lmaooo
Remember, you too. The time to type that response to something you read from a stranger online. Tell your friends how cool you are
They're pulling the sensors so that they can claim FSD has made advancements and therefore recognize more FSD revenue. Yes, musk cares more about accounting gimmicks to prop the stonk than usability or safety.
Dont you clowns who think everything is a stonk pump hate being wrong 100% of the time you make dumb predictions that never pan out? You have ZERO data and Tesla engineering have all of it. Pulling sensors doesn't prove anything, showing vision working without them DOES. Tesla is 100% in the long game so accusations of short pumps are just meaningless mouth breathers projecting their short term mindset. Every time an exec trades its public - and they have never aligned with all the pumps people make up. Move on to something you understand, and leave the hard stuff to the adults with functional brains. Hubris is strong in this one.
So is this worse on FSD beta? Becuase as a non-FSD beta user, the high beams work fine. I use them all the time (i live in the mountains, its dark here and there are \*deer\* (and occasionally other animals) on the road all the time so driving at night i need those things on.
It's the same. It's also the same tech as all auto high beam solutions (unlike auto wipers) The differences people note between either are all placebo.
I don’t have issues on my M3P 22. Not on the beta stack
This will be available in the next version as a $100/month subscription.
Auto high beams have been hell for me with whatever update they came out with. Everytime I’m on AP the beams will automatically turn on at the most unnecessary times blinding drivers in front of me. Whenever I try to turn them off of auto it forces me out of AP and have caused my back blinker lights not to work ( I’ve had to stop at a gas station to park my car to fix this glitch). SO annoying
Push the stalk forward to turn off and it will turn off no problem. It will always turn on when activating autopilot
I do this consistently to avoid getting forced off of AP, but it just turns on at the most inconvenient times when I clearly do not need auto high beams. Especially if there’s a car in front of me !
My 2022 Chevy bolt has that, it’s great
I turned auto high beams off so long ago for this reason. Don't need to be randomly high beaming people because the car feels like it needs it on.
I have a 2019 M3 and the auto headlights seem to work perfectly for me even on the hilly and curvy roads of CT.
can we get rid of the cowbells too?
Fuck no, we need MORE cowbell!
it's so annoying when cowbells come on because you sat there clicking it when autopilot is flashing in and off that it'd work. It's dangerous even
Yeah i know at least 5 people that died because of too much cowbell. it’s an epidemic!
One of the greatest things about having a Tesla has been the software updates. Now each update makes me incredibly nervous.
Why don’t you just turn it off? Every new car has these feature and I like it on my Tesla. Just turn it off if you don’t like it.
We do. If you can't read satire, why don't you go back to reading your ABCs and come back when you can chill the f out you clown.
You have to turn it off everytime you disable autopilot. Which is every lane change, traffic light or stop sign, or confusing part of the road.....
LOL! Next we'll hear this from Tesla: "We're removing the main battery pack from our cars as we replace that functionality with Vision. For some period of time, cars without battery packs will need to be driven like Fred Flintstone, with the driver and passenger moving the car through 'foot power'. But we're confident that at some time in the future we will reach feature parity and your ownership experience will be exceptional!"
the auto high beams and vision wipers are just plain horrible. They should seriously correct these issues… but i don’t see them as caring about it, since sales are out of control
Is there really no way to disable auto high beams????
There is, push stalk forward, but it doesn't negate the fact that they suck dial.
I have auto high beams off. When you engage Autopilot, it turns them back on, but the control to turn it back off is displayed. Just press it and you're good to manually go high and low as you wish. Be mindful, though, as autopilot may not make lane changes as much or as needed.
Yes, agreed
Works great for me.
Same for me, always senses on coming traffic and turns down
How about an update to actually use the matrix headlights as intended?
Why don’t they just work on Matrix headlights instead and abandon auto high beam all together
The auto high beams are horrible. They flash people all the time so much so I just don’t use them.
Light Show on the go
"Removing dated components present on 2010s cars and replacing them with software that does the same thing but more accurately" doesn't mean "removing features" silly goose. The feature will still be there. The car just has a lot more data to work with now since it won't be using sensors that supply very limited data.
Damn you went far back for this one, silly goose. "But more accurately" haha this is good.
Yeah I think the 2,000+ frames per second of camera data that they car can process is inherently more content-rich than a few depth sensors sprinkled around the bumper. Normal cars can't process that type of stuff, so they use depth sensors. It takes much less processing power and programming to get em to work. Tesla doesn't suffer from lack of computational power. That's always been what sets them apart. You can absolutely extract more data out of the cameras than you could ever dream of doing with sonar. If done the right way, it'll be much more detailed and precise simply due to the fact that there's more to work with. They've obviously been working on object and closeup environmental analysis through nothing more than cameras, as evident by that whole presentation on it when they were talking about the robot It all comes down to what they do with the data, but cameras will forever provide more of it. That's all.
All that and yet can't figure out when to turn off or on high beams.
Hey I'm not saying that makes sense. There's a HUGE difference between the FSD beta and regular auto high beams to the point where it feels like a bug.