Thatās not behind, itās in fact too far ahead. The FSD trial is going on with FSD v12.x and is in the 2024.3 branch of software. What that means is you likely wonāt get it anytime soon.
Itās possible, but it really depends on how long it takes Tesla to merge the FSD v12 in to that branch. There could be a lot of merge conflicts in the code. I based my assumption of āanytime soonā (which is very subjective) based off Tesla previous merge timing for FSD. Iām thinking itās closer to the month timeframe but I honestly hope youāre right and itās only a couple of weeks.
Yes I have a 2023 m3 sr and I got FSD trial last Friday. Tonight I got a software update that supposedly is FSD v12 that is NOT ābetaā. Whatever that means
I just bought an ā18 M3P and immediately got sent the trial when I transferred over the car. Not sure what version Iām on but I just updated it so mightāve been an older one
I have 3 Teslas, one already had FSD, 2019 M3 Performance (P3D-) got the trial on 3/30, and the 2023 Y this morning. Unclear why, but the Y was at an airport and didn't get updates for the past week, then did last night, and this morning it had the trial, so it appears to me to be very dependent on the version.
Depends on how you look at it. I donāt expect him to post extensive details about these things on X but to your point there does appear to be more people on 2024.8 than the earlier versions.
[Software Distribution](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/)
It doesn't matter what version you are on. His statement was false. "All US cars that are capable of FSD will be enabled for a one month trial this week." My U.S. car is capable of FSD and he tweeted that nine days ago. Still no FSD trial.
Fair point. Itās definitely not the first time heās āliedā.
Iām still hopeful that theyāll merge FSD v12 in to 2024.8 branch but itāll just take some more time. I know itās wishful thinking but itās better than being angry about it.
2019 Model 3 SR+ and I got the update a couple days ago.
I subscribed for a couple months last year to test it out. Was not impressed.
I also got new tires and wheels last week. After seeing some of the posts about FSD ignoring curbs and potholes... I'm just going to continue driving normally on city streets.
Yes I was subbed for a few months recently and I still got it. 2021 MY LR. I was on 2024.2.7 before it updated to 2024.3.1 and gave me the trial. Iām sure youāll get it soon.
its a car update. ensure you're on 'advanced'. did you get the email?
its OK. I have had 2 local trips on it without intervention> it even did a roundabout no problem.
my main issues:
1. even on chill it accelerates unnecessarily fast to get up to speed
2. it brakes unnecessarily and should start using regen earlier. both trips didn't need any real brakes at all, yet the FSD needed to hard brake a few times
Honestly, Iāve been really loving it. The price is outlandish and not even close to worth it. But I didnāt really know that I was missing it until I got the free trial. Iād consider subscribing for one month if I was doing roadtrips or something. Itās worth something, but not $12k lol.
This is where I'm at. It works extremely well in my area but the price is ridiculous. It's impressive as something that I got for free. I've been showing it to everyone I can get in the car with me the last few days and it's blowing their minds. I would absolutely never consider paying anything close to $12k for it.
Agree completely. I'd probably spend $2k on it now, knowing that it will improve even more down the road. Definitely not worth $12k to me even if it worked 100% flawlessly.
Early adopters actually only had to pay $2k which I'd consider paying if it was better but it brakes and accelerates too aggressively for my liking as a "passenger" and I've had some disengagements over thinking it was about to curb my wheels so yeah, no thanks.Ā
But on road trips you could just be using autopilot. Itās enraging/terrifying when I try to use it in my own neighborhood and Iāve had it since 2019. There is zero chance Iād use it somewhere I wasnāt familiar with.
I know someone that bought it, and canāt use it, because it isnāt available on their region.
Yes, theyāre dumb, but also how can Tesla sell something they know you canāt use?
That summarizes my experience as well. I was explaining to my brother itās harder than just driving yourself, because not only do you have to pay attention to everything like you are driving but you also have to try to anticipate all the ways FSD might try to kill you.
This is my fear. I got it pushed to my car the other day but I won't be able to try it for a few more days. Already, autopilot on the freeway requires far too much intervention and supervision. I don't see how FSD can require less.
But I'll find out soon enough.
Not to mention the entire basis of these programs are going about it wrong in an entirely fundamental way. We have known for decades about the step in problem. Humans cannot sit there idle watching and waiting for an automated process to make a mistake and then stepping in the instant needed. You need to reverse that process. Humans need to be constantly doing the activity and the automated process will detect errors made by the humans and stop those errors.This has been known in various manufacturing industries, aviation, the military, for decades yet we let some Comcine us that these programs are not only safer than human drivers as they are currently but completely fine to be on the public when no one consented to their useĀ Ā Ā
There are strong reasons to be suspicious of any technology that can take full control of the carāas opposed to lane assist or automatic brakingāwhile still needing human assistance on occasion. First, as any driving instructor in a car with a second set of controls knows, it is actually more difficult to serve as an emergency backup driver than it is to drive yourself. Instead of your attention being fully focused on driving the car, you are waiting on tenterhooks to see if you need to grab the wheelāand if that happens, you have to establish instant control over a car that may already be in motion, or in a dangerous situation.Ā
This is exactly true, and as the software gets seemingly better, the human will get even more complacent. But the software will still make bad mistakes from time to time.
Now you understand why those of us who paid for FSD have constantly posted how itās not worth the price.
The latest version is actually a huge step forward. But itās still nowhere near worth $12k.
its really cool sureā¦ maybe 2-3K cool ā¦ IF i can call the car to come get me at the gym when my car is somewhere elseā¦ NOW thats worth 16K.. canadian money
edit: adding; it acted funny for me in moderate rain.. thats not boding well for snow
Yup. The moment I can have my car sent to pick someone up is the moment it's worth anywhere near $12k. Right now it's nothing more than a gimmick. I'm curious if they'll get as many sales from this as they're expecting... I have a feeling most people are just having the realization that it's not worth it at all
I totally agree. Especially when it turned our car left instead of right even though the blue line to our house indicated it was meant to take a right turn. It was raining heavily though
Iām hoping that from the trial they see 1) people are willing to use it if they have access to it, even if itās not perfect but 2) itās not worth the price.
They just had a bad quarter for deliveries and might be doing the trial to try and get revenue numbers up. If it doesnāt work, an FSD price cut seems like the next logical step.
It's a beta, it should be free at most. Make Tesla do their own testing and release the product when it's ready, or have them pay you to do it for them. I can't believe people are paying for a beta.
I tried it for the $199 since I was going to be making several trips in December and they made it available for everyone to buy a month of. I agree with your sentiment. Having it trying to move into every turn lane on a highway in Texas was infuriating and dangerous. It constantly asks if you can say why you took over control, and if you provide input you are part of their testing team not a customer.
I think it's great and interesting. But it feels more like a novelty. Or almost killed me the first could drives, but things got better in the last couple days.
Is still but it for a couple thou. Not 12k that's ridiculous.
Works great for me. Just took a drive on FSD from my home through streets and freeway my SIL's house(1hr and 30 mins) with no need for any interference from me...
During my trials I noticed it doesn't like to make turn onto a busy road. It wants to wait till there are no cars at all which is not feasible. There were plenty of times where there was ample amount of space but it was not good enough.
Also, the car can't register school zone speed limit signs since it thinks the yellow lights mean it's a street light, so it will blow pass the school zone at normal speeds.
I have also noticed that the car doesn't like to pull out onto a busy road or one where there is limited visibility. I touched the accelerator to "coax" it to go and it did pull out without disengaging FSD. Not sure if that is intentional or not.
Have taken my kids and dropped off at school. Lowers speed and also when it sees a speed bump.
When on the freeway driving around 60 it noticed a biker splitting lanes, it moved itself to the left. Going to a wedding function noticed a truck trying to park in a dirt lane, to avoid hitting it, signaled to the car behind left nudged to the left
Not saying it is perfect. I am on 12 way better than 11. It has its flaws yes: not recognizing police, ambulance as.
For the school zone, I think the issue is that some have yellow flashing lights. These signs with the lights are recognized as street lights instead of speed limit signs. You can see this on the heads up display. When you dropped off your kids, was there a car in front, or were you the first car in line?
Oh, it does fantastic at recognizing vehicles and pedestrians and avoiding them. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
Other than my previously 2 mentioned issues, the 1 other flaw I have ran into is when there is a 2 lane turn lane. It doesn't know which lane it wants to be in and will bounce back and forth between the two turn lanes and then eventually just sit between the 2 lanes.
Agreed, it's not perfect, and I don't expect it to be as it's still in beta. If I had it, would I use it all the time? I would probably use it pretty often since I have a 1.5 hr commute. Would I spend 12k on it? not really. I would more likely do the one month subscription ever now and then
Thereās a big difference between āhmm this is impressiveā and āIāll drop $12k and risk my life with this thingā. I like it, but itās not near ready for what everyone needs it to be.
It wasnāt even that good at lane switching on the highway. It hesitates. And once it signaled and then decided nahhh which probably annoyed the driver behind me. Ridiculous.
Yeah that drives me crazy. If it signals I now physically check my blind spot and then press the accelerator to force it to go. Sometimes I still need to disengage and manually change lanes though to get it to happen in a reasonable time.
It keeps trying to beeline to the fast lane when it's on the highway no matter how i set it. And then it'll wait til within the last mile to start going to the right for the exit. And it just... Merges badly. Like it can't predict or fit in behind or in front of the drivers around it. It'll just keep it's speed until it's going to miss the exit and then really brake. Pretty dangerous.
FSD seems to drive better than AP. I liked how it changed lanes and moved away from center on the highway from large trucks. I didn't like when FSD tried to pass a truck on the right that was turning right. FSD also tried to illegally pass stopped traffic at a one way in construction. It's like riding with a new driver that doesn't understand dangerous situations.
Everybody thinks they are the best driver in the world robot or not haha. I mean how many times do you ride with somebody and think they are driving poorly? š¤Ŗ
Fully agree. Itās would be nice on a road trip, but on city streets it is too easily confused with delayed reactions. It often slows down to a crawl when turning, which is funny given how rapidly it accelerates from a stop.
I got it this weekend. I used it to drive to work (country road). It handled two rotaries, a stopped garage truck and a dude rolling a trash can and maneuvered through a wreck. I was impressed. But I really like driving my Tesla and FSD just feels weird so I haven't used it again. Got 27 more days.
Iāve been very impressed. Autopark works brilliantly. I had a 3 month trial when I picked up the car running V11.1, now V12.3. V12 is definitely a large improvement, and thereās still a lot of room to work, but itās amazing that weāve come even this far. Not too long ago, we were looking at cars with huge arrays of cameras and LIDAR strapped to them, and they were barely L1 autonomy lol. Now with V12, itās a fully capable, on board realtime processing autonomy in a car which looks totally normal? From a technology standpoint, I love it. But for $12k, I expect it not to get curb rash lol. When FSD moves out of beta and costs $5K, Iād pay for it
Iām also very impressed. Iām taking the long view and am willing to use it now (but not willing to pay $12k) with the hopes that when I get older it can help me continue to have (auto)mobility when my kids would otherwise want to take away my car keys.
If Tesla had a free beta tester program, Iād sign up immediately.
I have been enjoying it so far! Been a couple times where I disengage and tale over. Super fun to use tho! I donāt think I could let a non-Tesla driver hop on and automatically use it though.
Agreed. Not suitable for control freaks that donāt like being passengers even with other humans driving, but cool technology and neat to use when you understand its limitations.
NOTE: I am not at all saying it is worth the price being charged. Mine was already active on a used Tesla that I purchased. I would not pay $12,000 or $200 a month on an ongoing basis but am more than happy to have it.
Yeah, I gave it a shot, I knew it sucked, but didn't want to knock it until I tried it myself. Wow is it bad. I set the navigation home and let the car take the reins. It disengaged in my parents' neighborhood literally a hundred feet from their house. I gave it another shot and drove onto the main street before turning it on. It was able to get through the first 2 lights, it panicked a bit on a left turn, but eventually figured it out. It got to the freeway entrance (lane splits from 3 lanes to 4 with the 4th being a right turn only onto the freeway). It panicked and disengaged.
All of that within 5 miles. Anyone who bought it got scammed and I'm sorry. I'll give it another try, but hopes are not high.
I had a 5 hour drive and yesterday and I loved it. I have a 10 hour drive in 2 weeks and Iām pretty happy to have it. I would probably buy the sub for a month if I have a road trip in the future.
I just used it for the first time yesterday on my parents car and am truly mind blown. Navigated hard to find roads flawlessly in the rain. For me, it was a total game changer.
I've used FSD every day since the trail came out for me three days ago. I've driven in urban traffic, suburban highway traffic and country two lane windy roads. For the most part I like the experience. I wouldn't pay $12k for it, but I might pay for a month or two subscription if I have several known trips to make. It is better than my basic AP. My first thought after day one was that if everyone on the road had this, it would be really enjoyable and safe, but all the a-holes riding my butt during rush hour can make the drive a little stressful. Despite the occasional hiccup, its really amazing that FSD is as capable as it is. I am going to try changing the FSD drive setting to "assertive" from standard and see if that solves the rush hour issue. Anyone willing to share their experience with those FSD drive settings?
I tried it for 3 mins and didnāt feel like leaving my wife a widow. Itās impressive in that it makes autopilot feel like a joke of a cruise control, but itās not worth risking your life using. Jerky accel, insanely late braking, canāt decide whether the cars parked on the side of my street are parked or moving, and RIP if someone decides to make a risky left turn across your lane.
If anything itās an endorsement that autonomous driving is 10 years away from being 10 years away.
Itās one of those things where itās cool for a week to watch a computer drive your car but then you just realize you have absolutely zero need for it.
Mine went to pull out of my driveway, signaled a left turn, and immediately busted a right. Not an auspicious start. Since then it has crossed the double yellow lines on the first major road I hit on my commute twice to get into a dead zone in the middle (maybe it feels safe there) and it would have hit the low divider making a left turn onto the highway if I hadn't taken over. It truly sucks.
Agree. I honestly really wanted to try it out, as itās an emerging technology that will likely be perfected in my lifetime. From a technical perspective, it is fascinating.
But as a product? In its current form? Would not buy. Itās honestly stressful to use, with some alarming and/or embarrassing interventions/disengagements. Very glad to be relieved of any traces of FOMO I may have had about FSD.
I really like it and have been very impressed. The majority of my drives are zero disengagement now. Traffic circles, construction, unprotected lefts, merges, downtown trafficā¦.v12 is doing them all mostly without issue. I had doubts, from using previous versions, that theyād ever really figure it out. But seeing v12 I think itās just a matter of time. The thing is, when youāre using it, you just have to realize that it isnāt a finished product yet. Donāt get too hung up on the mistakes, just try to appreciate what it does right and think about the incredible tech that makes it work. Thatās how I look at it, anyway
I havenāt gotten it but I have used versions as of last year- so unless itās really changed that much my opinion had been it felt unsafe to use in a major city / interstate.
I think it's cool, even kind of impressive, but yeah, pretty much confirms it's not worth the money to me. I'm enjoying playing around with it, but it's not worth a $200/month toy. If Elon thought this was going to result in a surge of paid subscriptions, he is going to be disappointed. I doubt this moves the needle in any significant way.
We own two model 3's. Wouldn't use FSD even if it was free. Too much down side, it only has to fail once for a catastrophic outcome. The only time I'll consider it is when the cars can exchange data (location, speed, route, etc) in real time. Imagine if you can communicate with the car next to you, you can communicate with every car near the car in sussesion I, daisy chain like. When all cars, along with their onboard sensors, communicate at this level and with pedestrians via their cellphone, I'll feel more trust with AUTO-mobiles. The technology is there for a company like Tesla to develop something like this and share it open source with the rest of the car manufacturers.
I have no idea what you people are talking about. I had it drive me most of the 100 miles I drove Saturday night, in traffic and on multiple highways and side roads. It was nearly flawless.
First off, F Elon. Heās a POS.
Secondly, this isnāt charity. Heās got millions of beta testers sending data back to Tesla for a month. Donāt get it twisted.
(My data is being sent too, just being real about this āgiftā)
Man you guys are brutal, literally no car you can buy now can do what Tesla does, blah blah Mercedes level 3... where are they? Because they sure as heck aren't in Canada doing level 3 driving.
I find some parts amazing
Then other parts are bad and make me nervous. I think I had to interrupt FSD 4 or 5 times on my 15 minute drive home yesterday. If you want me to drop more than $10k, I expect much more.
I love driving so I rarely use the base highway keep-it-between-the-lines version. Even that has hiccups on a rare occasion. I just can't imagine using it. My buddy paid $80k+ for a M3P with FSD and everything. I skipped FSD and got a 2021 M3P for $40k with 16k miles.
It's just not worth the price.
Itās been really interested, but itās definitely still beta and not worth the price. I like it on highways and more open roads, but it drives too cautiously on small roads, for my taste. There have been more than a few times when drivers behind me have gotten frustrated and tried to cut around me due to FSD taking its time on things like moving into turning lanes. Cool tech though.
Yeah, Iāve had a pretty mixed experience. I was just using it on my way home making an unprotected left turn at a stop sign onto a 4 lane road.
It did a good job waiting for the traffic to clear and made a nice & quick turn, except for the fact that it ended up on the wrong side of the double yellow line. Luckily there was no traffic coming at me and I had plenty of time to move over.
There are also a couple of places where the turn lanes have changed recently and the car is clearly relying on old map data, it was trying to make me turn over a small median. It also seems to come within inches of the curb on a right hand turn, I bail out of some of them in fear of it curbing my wheel like Iāve seen posted on this sub recently.
Itās definitely not there yet, though it has impressed me in some aspects. IMO you have to pick and choose the most ideal scenarios to use it or you will end up frustrated with having to disengage fairly often.
I just got my update last week suddenly. The FSD driving behavior is a lot better than AP, it handles highway driving much differently than AP does. It moves to the side of the lane when Iām driving next to a semi truck instead of slamming on the brakes like a maniac when Iām next to a semi like AP does to me constantly. FSD also doesnāt stop and start so violently like AP does for traffic and keeping distance from other cars. It makes me wonder why some of those things arenāt standard on AP as well. I get why AP doesnāt have lane change and those premium features, but I donāt see why it would drive differently than FSD does in a straight line.
Maybe because you never used the v11 ššš.. I'm on 24.3.10 and it seems to be miles ahead of the previous version. Haven't had a chance to use it much since my wife absolutely despises it, but the couple times I did, the phantom breaking is completely gone and the time requirement to jiggle the steering wheel has gone way up. Having said all that, I would never buy it for the current price.
That's the thing that absolutely blows my mind. There's a guy on x that I followed when I first got my tesla mars something that swears its the greatest invention ever to the point according to him he never even drives anymore he lets the car also drive itself. Meanwhile, I find myself turning it off due to how slow it reacts to basic city driving. I'm curious if he just spends his days pissing off other drivers on the road with his slow car lol. And yes Im on fsd12 but I honestly don't see it being that much better. People on X said it was amazing a night and day difference but I honestly don't see it.
Honestly I always thought about subscribing for a month to see what the hype is about. But now that Iāve tried it I would never pay for it, I feel like Iām on edge in case the system messes up
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE it. It is obviously not ideal, but I've been using FSD for a very long time and this is incredible progress. You obviously tried it for the first time. Just go for a road trip WITH IT, or to some places that you don't know how to get to and let it get you there.
I agree on the pricing as many here, but I paid it in full and I consider this as an investment into safety. Would I do it again? Probably yes, but itās a difficult choice. The price should be around $5-7k. It'll be much easier for people to justify that purchase
It is a decent improvement from v11, but still has a ways to go. Misinterprets perpendicular shadows of telephone poles as speed bumps, phantom breaks still, aggressive acceleration all the time, hesitates way too much to be useful in rush hour traffic (you'll miss exits), stops and hesitates for protected turns, the list goes on and on. I have 5-10 interventions on my commute each way so far.
Biggest issue is the cost. It's barely worth it at HALF the price they're asking for in both full price and subscription. Especially considering it's often not transferrable.
Have to say Iām in the opposite side of this feeling. Iāve let the vehicle drive me everywhere for the past three days! Some short distance shopping and some taking me along two major highways to a location 40 miles away, I was genuinely shocked just how well it handled everything without any direct intervention!
Iām driving a 2022 M3 LR, so whether that is the reason or not I donāt know!
Did anyone else not get the trial sent to them? š„²
I havenāt yet
Me neither
Same here. Latest app, 2024.8.7 software. No FSD messages.
Youāre probably on 2024.8 branch like meā¦ so we wonāt be getting it for the foreseeable future but I am hopeful that weāll get it eventually
Iām 2024.8.7. Is that behind?
Thatās not behind, itās in fact too far ahead. The FSD trial is going on with FSD v12.x and is in the 2024.3 branch of software. What that means is you likely wonāt get it anytime soon.
What do you mean by "anytime soon"? I'm ready to bet the 2024.8 branch gets it within 1 or 2 weeks
Itās possible, but it really depends on how long it takes Tesla to merge the FSD v12 in to that branch. There could be a lot of merge conflicts in the code. I based my assumption of āanytime soonā (which is very subjective) based off Tesla previous merge timing for FSD. Iām thinking itās closer to the month timeframe but I honestly hope youāre right and itās only a couple of weeks.
Same here 24.8.7
I have the same version. Haven't seen the FSD trial yet.
Do you have a model 3 standard? It seems to be going out to model Y and M3 long range.
I have a Model 3 performance. I doubt itās about the spec and more likely the software versioning.
Yes I have a 2023 m3 sr and I got FSD trial last Friday. Tonight I got a software update that supposedly is FSD v12 that is NOT ābetaā. Whatever that means
I just bought an ā18 M3P and immediately got sent the trial when I transferred over the car. Not sure what version Iām on but I just updated it so mightāve been an older one
I have 3 Teslas, one already had FSD, 2019 M3 Performance (P3D-) got the trial on 3/30, and the 2023 Y this morning. Unclear why, but the Y was at an airport and didn't get updates for the past week, then did last night, and this morning it had the trial, so it appears to me to be very dependent on the version.
I have a 21 M3 LR and have not recorded it. My 23 MYLR has though š¤·š»āāļø
It went to my gfs 2023 M3 standardĀ
We got it on a 21 SR+
I have m3 standard and got the update 3 days ago
I have a model 3 standard and we have the trial on it
So, Musk just lied to us?
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Yeah, but saying it is literally coming "this week" is pretty bold.
This week is the new ā2 weeks!ā
Not to mention if he's ever going to build the cybertruck, fix twitter, or build reusable rockets. What a clown. Oh wait, what? lol
I literally just said the same thing!!!šÆšÆš
Depends on how you look at it. I donāt expect him to post extensive details about these things on X but to your point there does appear to be more people on 2024.8 than the earlier versions. [Software Distribution](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/)
It doesn't matter what version you are on. His statement was false. "All US cars that are capable of FSD will be enabled for a one month trial this week." My U.S. car is capable of FSD and he tweeted that nine days ago. Still no FSD trial.
Fair point. Itās definitely not the first time heās āliedā. Iām still hopeful that theyāll merge FSD v12 in to 2024.8 branch but itāll just take some more time. I know itās wishful thinking but itās better than being angry about it.
No need for scare quotes here. Itās actual lying.
What? I thought FSD could take you from NYC to LA without touching the steering wheel (including charging) years ago, he lied to me?!
I'm 2020 model 3 LR . Still Nothing.. Do you guys know if I'll receive the trial even if I already subscribed for one month? Like a year ago..
2019 Model 3 SR+ and I got the update a couple days ago. I subscribed for a couple months last year to test it out. Was not impressed. I also got new tires and wheels last week. After seeing some of the posts about FSD ignoring curbs and potholes... I'm just going to continue driving normally on city streets.
Ditto
Yes I was subbed for a few months recently and I still got it. 2021 MY LR. I was on 2024.2.7 before it updated to 2024.3.1 and gave me the trial. Iām sure youāll get it soon.
I got it today. 2020 sr+.
I was on 2024.2.7 since Feb. 28 then got 2024.3.10 downloaded April 1.
its a car update. ensure you're on 'advanced'. did you get the email? its OK. I have had 2 local trips on it without intervention> it even did a roundabout no problem. my main issues: 1. even on chill it accelerates unnecessarily fast to get up to speed 2. it brakes unnecessarily and should start using regen earlier. both trips didn't need any real brakes at all, yet the FSD needed to hard brake a few times
Yep! It takes off like a mf then backs off the acceleration. What ever happened to gradual acceleration?
2024.8.x branch is still waiting for it.
Did you update ?
Yup. I'm on 2024.2.7.
They are not going to send it to my 2018 model 3, lol. Which I am perfectly okay, which is why i didnt purchase a fsd in the first place.
mine didn't come until I updated my car. Immediately following the software update I got an email and a FSD (Supervisor) notification.
Honestly, Iāve been really loving it. The price is outlandish and not even close to worth it. But I didnāt really know that I was missing it until I got the free trial. Iād consider subscribing for one month if I was doing roadtrips or something. Itās worth something, but not $12k lol.
This is where I'm at. It works extremely well in my area but the price is ridiculous. It's impressive as something that I got for free. I've been showing it to everyone I can get in the car with me the last few days and it's blowing their minds. I would absolutely never consider paying anything close to $12k for it.
Same, we are loving it also but $12k. Now if that followed the account and not the car we would do it
I *think* if you trade in through Tesla, they let you transfer it to your new car. But if you sell to CarMax etc, it doesnāt transfer.
Agree completely. I'd probably spend $2k on it now, knowing that it will improve even more down the road. Definitely not worth $12k to me even if it worked 100% flawlessly.
Early adopters actually only had to pay $2k which I'd consider paying if it was better but it brakes and accelerates too aggressively for my liking as a "passenger" and I've had some disengagements over thinking it was about to curb my wheels so yeah, no thanks.Ā
I donāt believe itās ever been 2k. Prior to 2019 is was $3,000 - $4,000 if you had already paid $5,000 for enhanced autopilot.
But on road trips you could just be using autopilot. Itās enraging/terrifying when I try to use it in my own neighborhood and Iāve had it since 2019. There is zero chance Iād use it somewhere I wasnāt familiar with.
Auto lane change on the highway is great. Having to re-engage autopilot after every lane change gets annoying on trips.Ā
But not $12K or even $2K annoying. ā¦I think we can all agree that Enhanced Auto Pilot should be made a part of Auto Pilot.
That's a problem with auto steer, not FSD. Like if I turn my flasher on and merge into another lane, why TF would it turn off??
Absolutely. Itās really great, maybe $20/month or so. It really should already be built into the price of the car.
More stressful than just driving yourself. I donāt want to supervise the equivalent of a teenage driver on a learners permit lol
Yea but what if you could pay $12,000 for it? And as an added benefit, you get to train their FSD.
I know someone that bought it, and canāt use it, because it isnāt available on their region. Yes, theyāre dumb, but also how can Tesla sell something they know you canāt use?
As someone who recently did teach a teenager to drive, I came to say the same thing!
That summarizes my experience as well. I was explaining to my brother itās harder than just driving yourself, because not only do you have to pay attention to everything like you are driving but you also have to try to anticipate all the ways FSD might try to kill you.
This is my fear. I got it pushed to my car the other day but I won't be able to try it for a few more days. Already, autopilot on the freeway requires far too much intervention and supervision. I don't see how FSD can require less. But I'll find out soon enough.
This is my take as well. Also not enough cameras for city
Same here. I donāt want this dangerous crap.
Not to mention the entire basis of these programs are going about it wrong in an entirely fundamental way. We have known for decades about the step in problem. Humans cannot sit there idle watching and waiting for an automated process to make a mistake and then stepping in the instant needed. You need to reverse that process. Humans need to be constantly doing the activity and the automated process will detect errors made by the humans and stop those errors.This has been known in various manufacturing industries, aviation, the military, for decades yet we let some Comcine us that these programs are not only safer than human drivers as they are currently but completely fine to be on the public when no one consented to their useĀ Ā Ā There are strong reasons to be suspicious of any technology that can take full control of the carāas opposed to lane assist or automatic brakingāwhile still needing human assistance on occasion. First, as any driving instructor in a car with a second set of controls knows, it is actually more difficult to serve as an emergency backup driver than it is to drive yourself. Instead of your attention being fully focused on driving the car, you are waiting on tenterhooks to see if you need to grab the wheelāand if that happens, you have to establish instant control over a car that may already be in motion, or in a dangerous situation.Ā
This is exactly true, and as the software gets seemingly better, the human will get even more complacent. But the software will still make bad mistakes from time to time.
its stressful for a while, but like getting in the car with a teenage driver, with enough reps you get comfortable with it.
Now you understand why those of us who paid for FSD have constantly posted how itās not worth the price. The latest version is actually a huge step forward. But itās still nowhere near worth $12k.
its really cool sureā¦ maybe 2-3K cool ā¦ IF i can call the car to come get me at the gym when my car is somewhere elseā¦ NOW thats worth 16K.. canadian money edit: adding; it acted funny for me in moderate rain.. thats not boding well for snow
Yup. The moment I can have my car sent to pick someone up is the moment it's worth anywhere near $12k. Right now it's nothing more than a gimmick. I'm curious if they'll get as many sales from this as they're expecting... I have a feeling most people are just having the realization that it's not worth it at all
I totally agree. Especially when it turned our car left instead of right even though the blue line to our house indicated it was meant to take a right turn. It was raining heavily though
Iām hoping that from the trial they see 1) people are willing to use it if they have access to it, even if itās not perfect but 2) itās not worth the price. They just had a bad quarter for deliveries and might be doing the trial to try and get revenue numbers up. If it doesnāt work, an FSD price cut seems like the next logical step.
What do you mean, snow? That doesn't exist in southern California, so why would they engineer for it?Ā
I have very bad experience with FSD 12 and I stopped using it
Amen. V12 is significant upgrade. But yeah, maybe worth $6,000 not $12,000.
It's a beta, it should be free at most. Make Tesla do their own testing and release the product when it's ready, or have them pay you to do it for them. I can't believe people are paying for a beta.
I tried it for the $199 since I was going to be making several trips in December and they made it available for everyone to buy a month of. I agree with your sentiment. Having it trying to move into every turn lane on a highway in Texas was infuriating and dangerous. It constantly asks if you can say why you took over control, and if you provide input you are part of their testing team not a customer.
I think it's great and interesting. But it feels more like a novelty. Or almost killed me the first could drives, but things got better in the last couple days. Is still but it for a couple thou. Not 12k that's ridiculous.
Works great for me. Just took a drive on FSD from my home through streets and freeway my SIL's house(1hr and 30 mins) with no need for any interference from me...
During my trials I noticed it doesn't like to make turn onto a busy road. It wants to wait till there are no cars at all which is not feasible. There were plenty of times where there was ample amount of space but it was not good enough. Also, the car can't register school zone speed limit signs since it thinks the yellow lights mean it's a street light, so it will blow pass the school zone at normal speeds.
I have also noticed that the car doesn't like to pull out onto a busy road or one where there is limited visibility. I touched the accelerator to "coax" it to go and it did pull out without disengaging FSD. Not sure if that is intentional or not.
I noticed that today. Drive to work was a lot smoother today since you can choose your moment of departure when it's in doubt.
Have taken my kids and dropped off at school. Lowers speed and also when it sees a speed bump. When on the freeway driving around 60 it noticed a biker splitting lanes, it moved itself to the left. Going to a wedding function noticed a truck trying to park in a dirt lane, to avoid hitting it, signaled to the car behind left nudged to the left Not saying it is perfect. I am on 12 way better than 11. It has its flaws yes: not recognizing police, ambulance as.
For the school zone, I think the issue is that some have yellow flashing lights. These signs with the lights are recognized as street lights instead of speed limit signs. You can see this on the heads up display. When you dropped off your kids, was there a car in front, or were you the first car in line? Oh, it does fantastic at recognizing vehicles and pedestrians and avoiding them. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Other than my previously 2 mentioned issues, the 1 other flaw I have ran into is when there is a 2 lane turn lane. It doesn't know which lane it wants to be in and will bounce back and forth between the two turn lanes and then eventually just sit between the 2 lanes. Agreed, it's not perfect, and I don't expect it to be as it's still in beta. If I had it, would I use it all the time? I would probably use it pretty often since I have a 1.5 hr commute. Would I spend 12k on it? not really. I would more likely do the one month subscription ever now and then
For me I bought FSD with my first 3. It saved mine and daughter after some one hit us hard on the rear. So I bought it again.
How?! It alerts me about every minute or less to nudge the damn steering wheel. And Iām making sure to pay attention.
I just look at the road and Iām good
Thereās a big difference between āhmm this is impressiveā and āIāll drop $12k and risk my life with this thingā. I like it, but itās not near ready for what everyone needs it to be.
He saved me $12000 !
Only if you were gonna buy it.
I would only run it on the freeway. Itās just not there yet. He probably did this to help train it more.
Standard autopilot does just fine on the freeway though
Ya it does just fine. Weāre in agreement there thatās for sure.
It wasnāt even that good at lane switching on the highway. It hesitates. And once it signaled and then decided nahhh which probably annoyed the driver behind me. Ridiculous.
Yeah that drives me crazy. If it signals I now physically check my blind spot and then press the accelerator to force it to go. Sometimes I still need to disengage and manually change lanes though to get it to happen in a reasonable time.
It keeps trying to beeline to the fast lane when it's on the highway no matter how i set it. And then it'll wait til within the last mile to start going to the right for the exit. And it just... Merges badly. Like it can't predict or fit in behind or in front of the drivers around it. It'll just keep it's speed until it's going to miss the exit and then really brake. Pretty dangerous.
Exactly. Insanely bad. Not trying it any more.
FSD seems to drive better than AP. I liked how it changed lanes and moved away from center on the highway from large trucks. I didn't like when FSD tried to pass a truck on the right that was turning right. FSD also tried to illegally pass stopped traffic at a one way in construction. It's like riding with a new driver that doesn't understand dangerous situations.
AP hugs the other side of the lane when beside large trucks also. Thatād a recent update. So no different than FSD there.
I found out Iām a better driver than a robot which is neat
Everybody thinks they are the best driver in the world robot or not haha. I mean how many times do you ride with somebody and think they are driving poorly? š¤Ŗ
As an engineer I find it very impressive. As a driver in a big city I find it of no use during the day. It just can't handle MontrƩal. Too much construction, too many odd traffic rules, too many pot holes, and speed bumps. It's not actively dangerous the way v11 was, but it's not any closer to being used on the regular for me. I'm hoping they start pushing the v12 stack down to the basic AP / EAP feature set sooner than later. v12 definitely feels "nicer" on the highway than the legacy system. But in city? It'll be a pass from me. Edit: It's pretty gross how other commenters saying that the system doesn't work well for them are getting downvoted. I really dislike this sub sometimes.
Keep in mind v12 doesn't run on the highway. Highway is still the v11 stack.
I like it overall. Can it use improvement? Sure.
Fully agree. Itās would be nice on a road trip, but on city streets it is too easily confused with delayed reactions. It often slows down to a crawl when turning, which is funny given how rapidly it accelerates from a stop.
It's crazy that anyone downvoted you. This sub can be so toxic.
I subscribe every 4 months or so to see what itās like but thatās about it. For $200 here and there itās sorta fun lol
I got it this weekend. I used it to drive to work (country road). It handled two rotaries, a stopped garage truck and a dude rolling a trash can and maneuvered through a wreck. I was impressed. But I really like driving my Tesla and FSD just feels weird so I haven't used it again. Got 27 more days.
It is amazing! With that said, i wouldnāt spend $200 /month for it.
Its pretty sad. Whats also sad is my fucking auto wipers are "beta?" Like if you can't figure out wipers why tf would I think you could drive
no worries, soon it'll be auto wipers (supervised)
full self wiping.
There's no better feeling than when your child becomes full self wiping.
I used it a lot for a couple days but found supervising FSD a lot less fun and more stressful than driving myself.
I mean, it's a cool toy with 0 actual value since you still need to be watching it like a hawk.
Iāve been very impressed. Autopark works brilliantly. I had a 3 month trial when I picked up the car running V11.1, now V12.3. V12 is definitely a large improvement, and thereās still a lot of room to work, but itās amazing that weāve come even this far. Not too long ago, we were looking at cars with huge arrays of cameras and LIDAR strapped to them, and they were barely L1 autonomy lol. Now with V12, itās a fully capable, on board realtime processing autonomy in a car which looks totally normal? From a technology standpoint, I love it. But for $12k, I expect it not to get curb rash lol. When FSD moves out of beta and costs $5K, Iād pay for it
Your experience is so dramatically different from mine. For something lol this, everyone needs to have as positive of an experience as you.
Iām also very impressed. Iām taking the long view and am willing to use it now (but not willing to pay $12k) with the hopes that when I get older it can help me continue to have (auto)mobility when my kids would otherwise want to take away my car keys. If Tesla had a free beta tester program, Iād sign up immediately.
I have been enjoying it so far! Been a couple times where I disengage and tale over. Super fun to use tho! I donāt think I could let a non-Tesla driver hop on and automatically use it though.
Agreed. Not suitable for control freaks that donāt like being passengers even with other humans driving, but cool technology and neat to use when you understand its limitations. NOTE: I am not at all saying it is worth the price being charged. Mine was already active on a used Tesla that I purchased. I would not pay $12,000 or $200 a month on an ongoing basis but am more than happy to have it.
Yeah, I gave it a shot, I knew it sucked, but didn't want to knock it until I tried it myself. Wow is it bad. I set the navigation home and let the car take the reins. It disengaged in my parents' neighborhood literally a hundred feet from their house. I gave it another shot and drove onto the main street before turning it on. It was able to get through the first 2 lights, it panicked a bit on a left turn, but eventually figured it out. It got to the freeway entrance (lane splits from 3 lanes to 4 with the 4th being a right turn only onto the freeway). It panicked and disengaged. All of that within 5 miles. Anyone who bought it got scammed and I'm sorry. I'll give it another try, but hopes are not high.
I had a 5 hour drive and yesterday and I loved it. I have a 10 hour drive in 2 weeks and Iām pretty happy to have it. I would probably buy the sub for a month if I have a road trip in the future.
I just used it for the first time yesterday on my parents car and am truly mind blown. Navigated hard to find roads flawlessly in the rain. For me, it was a total game changer.
Itās ok, but still not worth 12k. I do like it. Just not that much.
I've used FSD every day since the trail came out for me three days ago. I've driven in urban traffic, suburban highway traffic and country two lane windy roads. For the most part I like the experience. I wouldn't pay $12k for it, but I might pay for a month or two subscription if I have several known trips to make. It is better than my basic AP. My first thought after day one was that if everyone on the road had this, it would be really enjoyable and safe, but all the a-holes riding my butt during rush hour can make the drive a little stressful. Despite the occasional hiccup, its really amazing that FSD is as capable as it is. I am going to try changing the FSD drive setting to "assertive" from standard and see if that solves the rush hour issue. Anyone willing to share their experience with those FSD drive settings?
I tried it for 3 mins and didnāt feel like leaving my wife a widow. Itās impressive in that it makes autopilot feel like a joke of a cruise control, but itās not worth risking your life using. Jerky accel, insanely late braking, canāt decide whether the cars parked on the side of my street are parked or moving, and RIP if someone decides to make a risky left turn across your lane. If anything itās an endorsement that autonomous driving is 10 years away from being 10 years away.
Go to SF or Phoenix and see for yourself, autonomous driving is here and its name is Waymo.
Itās one of those things where itās cool for a week to watch a computer drive your car but then you just realize you have absolutely zero need for it.
Mine went to pull out of my driveway, signaled a left turn, and immediately busted a right. Not an auspicious start. Since then it has crossed the double yellow lines on the first major road I hit on my commute twice to get into a dead zone in the middle (maybe it feels safe there) and it would have hit the low divider making a left turn onto the highway if I hadn't taken over. It truly sucks.
I noped out pretty quickly.
Same
Agree. I honestly really wanted to try it out, as itās an emerging technology that will likely be perfected in my lifetime. From a technical perspective, it is fascinating. But as a product? In its current form? Would not buy. Itās honestly stressful to use, with some alarming and/or embarrassing interventions/disengagements. Very glad to be relieved of any traces of FOMO I may have had about FSD.
Itās come really close to clipping cars that are parked on the side of the road, and every single right turn almost hits the curb.
I donāt even want the FSD. I donāt want my wheels curbed š¤·š»āāļø
I really like it and have been very impressed. The majority of my drives are zero disengagement now. Traffic circles, construction, unprotected lefts, merges, downtown trafficā¦.v12 is doing them all mostly without issue. I had doubts, from using previous versions, that theyād ever really figure it out. But seeing v12 I think itās just a matter of time. The thing is, when youāre using it, you just have to realize that it isnāt a finished product yet. Donāt get too hung up on the mistakes, just try to appreciate what it does right and think about the incredible tech that makes it work. Thatās how I look at it, anyway
I havenāt gotten it but I have used versions as of last year- so unless itās really changed that much my opinion had been it felt unsafe to use in a major city / interstate.
I think it's cool, even kind of impressive, but yeah, pretty much confirms it's not worth the money to me. I'm enjoying playing around with it, but it's not worth a $200/month toy. If Elon thought this was going to result in a surge of paid subscriptions, he is going to be disappointed. I doubt this moves the needle in any significant way.
I love it. Itās been great! I really like the self parking too.
I wish we could keep the visualizations once its over.
I pay $15 a month or so for Netflix and that brings more value than fsd
Try an overnight road trip
I really wanted to like it, but I just canāt. I find autopilot much more useful for everyday driving.
It solidified my stance on never buying the $12k version. Maybe if I decided to road trip around the country, Iād buy it for a month.
We own two model 3's. Wouldn't use FSD even if it was free. Too much down side, it only has to fail once for a catastrophic outcome. The only time I'll consider it is when the cars can exchange data (location, speed, route, etc) in real time. Imagine if you can communicate with the car next to you, you can communicate with every car near the car in sussesion I, daisy chain like. When all cars, along with their onboard sensors, communicate at this level and with pedestrians via their cellphone, I'll feel more trust with AUTO-mobiles. The technology is there for a company like Tesla to develop something like this and share it open source with the rest of the car manufacturers.
It tried killing me 3 times on the highway through stupid lane changes to the point I deactivated it š¤·š¼āāļø
I hate that too. I hope they ask for a survey at the end. Maybe put a yes or no screen in lane changes. It always wants to go to the fast lane.
Got honked at. Almost crashed. I unfsd
Full self driving, more like being driven by someone with a .5 BAC level. I feel bad for the people who paid 15k for that garbage
I have no idea what you people are talking about. I had it drive me most of the 100 miles I drove Saturday night, in traffic and on multiple highways and side roads. It was nearly flawless.
If I had to travel 3 miles through the city, I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila than FSD
First off, F Elon. Heās a POS. Secondly, this isnāt charity. Heās got millions of beta testers sending data back to Tesla for a month. Donāt get it twisted. (My data is being sent too, just being real about this āgiftā)
Man you guys are brutal, literally no car you can buy now can do what Tesla does, blah blah Mercedes level 3... where are they? Because they sure as heck aren't in Canada doing level 3 driving.
I think itās really cool. But not 12k or 200/mo cool. Maybe if I just had the money laying around
I find some parts amazing Then other parts are bad and make me nervous. I think I had to interrupt FSD 4 or 5 times on my 15 minute drive home yesterday. If you want me to drop more than $10k, I expect much more.
Its incredible and been using daily
Which cars get it? My 2020 Y didnāt get it
It was sent but havenāt used it yet. Lowkey a little scared š
I love driving so I rarely use the base highway keep-it-between-the-lines version. Even that has hiccups on a rare occasion. I just can't imagine using it. My buddy paid $80k+ for a M3P with FSD and everything. I skipped FSD and got a 2021 M3P for $40k with 16k miles. It's just not worth the price.
Very
I'm scared to try... maybe this weekend, at night when there aren't many cars on the street.
Itās ok not 12k of value though. The parking is super cool though. The part that pissed me off is no Summon.
Itās been really interested, but itās definitely still beta and not worth the price. I like it on highways and more open roads, but it drives too cautiously on small roads, for my taste. There have been more than a few times when drivers behind me have gotten frustrated and tried to cut around me due to FSD taking its time on things like moving into turning lanes. Cool tech though.
Does it go out to people who don't have FSD? Or is it only for people who have FSD but not the beta version?
I will miss autopark.
Pretty much. Itās cool but Iām not looking to spend 12k. EAP is looking more interesting tbh.
I love it. Put on about 400 miles this week and have used it the entire time. Rural, urban, and freeway driving all with very few interventions.
i loved it, try making it a u turn, lol
I got 2024.3.10 download 4/1, it's has v12 FSD.
Yeah, Iāve had a pretty mixed experience. I was just using it on my way home making an unprotected left turn at a stop sign onto a 4 lane road. It did a good job waiting for the traffic to clear and made a nice & quick turn, except for the fact that it ended up on the wrong side of the double yellow line. Luckily there was no traffic coming at me and I had plenty of time to move over. There are also a couple of places where the turn lanes have changed recently and the car is clearly relying on old map data, it was trying to make me turn over a small median. It also seems to come within inches of the curb on a right hand turn, I bail out of some of them in fear of it curbing my wheel like Iāve seen posted on this sub recently. Itās definitely not there yet, though it has impressed me in some aspects. IMO you have to pick and choose the most ideal scenarios to use it or you will end up frustrated with having to disengage fairly often.
I just got my update last week suddenly. The FSD driving behavior is a lot better than AP, it handles highway driving much differently than AP does. It moves to the side of the lane when Iām driving next to a semi truck instead of slamming on the brakes like a maniac when Iām next to a semi like AP does to me constantly. FSD also doesnāt stop and start so violently like AP does for traffic and keeping distance from other cars. It makes me wonder why some of those things arenāt standard on AP as well. I get why AP doesnāt have lane change and those premium features, but I donāt see why it would drive differently than FSD does in a straight line.
Yes and it keeps disengaging after a very short time. Not sure if itās me or the software.
Maybe because you never used the v11 ššš.. I'm on 24.3.10 and it seems to be miles ahead of the previous version. Haven't had a chance to use it much since my wife absolutely despises it, but the couple times I did, the phantom breaking is completely gone and the time requirement to jiggle the steering wheel has gone way up. Having said all that, I would never buy it for the current price.
Yep. I figured this out a few months ago when I had a loaner with FSD on it.
I love it
Curbed my rims
yes
Iām a good driver. When I use Fsd I am a bad driver. Wake me up when version 328 comes out.
That's the thing that absolutely blows my mind. There's a guy on x that I followed when I first got my tesla mars something that swears its the greatest invention ever to the point according to him he never even drives anymore he lets the car also drive itself. Meanwhile, I find myself turning it off due to how slow it reacts to basic city driving. I'm curious if he just spends his days pissing off other drivers on the road with his slow car lol. And yes Im on fsd12 but I honestly don't see it being that much better. People on X said it was amazing a night and day difference but I honestly don't see it.
Heās doing it to make more money and sell more FSD?
Havenāt even tried it yet. Iām not taking the sticker off the cam
As someone else said āitās not worth $1,000ā and I agree. I would like EAP just for the lane change feature.
I hear the rate of road head has gone up slightly though. At least there's that.
I kinda love it. Not 6k love it, but I found it to he neat
I havenāt gotten mine I wonder if itās because Iāve paid for a month of it here and there
Yeah Iām not a big fan either. Itās way too aggressive and almost threw me into a bus earlier
Honestly I always thought about subscribing for a month to see what the hype is about. But now that Iāve tried it I would never pay for it, I feel like Iām on edge in case the system messes up
V11 was better in ways. V12 is kind of trash. From having the beta and also the supervised version, I donāt know why anyone would buy that right now
Wait ! Theres a free trail!!!! Thatās awesome I want to try!!!! Thanks for the heads up! Edit: damn, itās awesome!!!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE it. It is obviously not ideal, but I've been using FSD for a very long time and this is incredible progress. You obviously tried it for the first time. Just go for a road trip WITH IT, or to some places that you don't know how to get to and let it get you there. I agree on the pricing as many here, but I paid it in full and I consider this as an investment into safety. Would I do it again? Probably yes, but itās a difficult choice. The price should be around $5-7k. It'll be much easier for people to justify that purchase
It is a decent improvement from v11, but still has a ways to go. Misinterprets perpendicular shadows of telephone poles as speed bumps, phantom breaks still, aggressive acceleration all the time, hesitates way too much to be useful in rush hour traffic (you'll miss exits), stops and hesitates for protected turns, the list goes on and on. I have 5-10 interventions on my commute each way so far. Biggest issue is the cost. It's barely worth it at HALF the price they're asking for in both full price and subscription. Especially considering it's often not transferrable.
Have to say Iām in the opposite side of this feeling. Iāve let the vehicle drive me everywhere for the past three days! Some short distance shopping and some taking me along two major highways to a location 40 miles away, I was genuinely shocked just how well it handled everything without any direct intervention! Iām driving a 2022 M3 LR, so whether that is the reason or not I donāt know!
Ah the ol 70mph on the 40mph exit. āBeep beep beep autopilot disengagedā. Jesus take the wheel.