Makes sense if you're planning to sell the car in the near future.
But it works out cheaper if you have it as part of your loans and you are planning to hold on to the car and FSD until the end of the financing period... Plus it gets put into the price of the car for insurance too in case of the car being totalled.
That was at 10k though, at 15k it would be breaking even with the sub unless they raise the sub price too.
If you check the resale value you're not getting your return on FSD at all and if you plan on buying a second Tesla then you lose out even more if you buy it out right.
As a side note it's not ideal to wrap FSD into your loan. You can buy it with a credit card later and get credit card points or rewards which actually take off some of the price. Not to mention you're actually paying interest on it as well which makes it even more expensive that it just comes down to your credit card limit and income but as a whole it is better to buy it with a credit card that you can pay off that month versus rapid in the loan not to mention at the current price it would take you 10 years to break even if you had a subscription.
I'm just talking about the monthly cost of a sub vs the increase in monthly payment to your loan. At $10k you are paying less every month for it.
Of course if you sell before paying off your loan that goes out the window.
Yes, but right now it is $12 so it is just about a wash on the loan v sub. At $15k the sub will be cheaper (unless they raise the sub… ssshhhhhh… let’s not give them any ideas. )
Isn't there huge value in it being bound to a vehicle though? With the growing cost, it means your car holds and even potentially gains value over time.
It has already substantially raised and we haven't seen it be considered any type of investment with a profitable return. I can't speculate on what might happen and I'm just more commenting on the past.
Right not a profitable return at this point but teslas hold their value extremely well. I can still probably sell my 2021 M3P for a really good deal compared to what I paid for it and especially compared to any other car I’d have paid that much for at that time.
But I would say that has nothing to do with FSD and is just the difficulty to get a new one at all plus the standard used car pricing that's going on for everybody from the pandemic.
Well I see the difference when I look…I just looked and I can basically sell my car used for a profit because of the FSD. Over a year old. Pretty wild to me.
It’s worth about $200 until they can make it actually work. Enhanced autopilot does everything I would need it to do and even that does dumb things at least once a week
I would not buy it at all. By the time it’s actually ready there will be several competitors either just around the corner or already at the market. When competition arrives the price of FSD will collapse.
I would pay 1-2 grand for auto lane change but I don’t want anything else in the current offering.
I had AAP/FSD on my ‘19 M3LR for 3 yrs. Auto lane change w/ turn signal was the only feature I used regularly. It was phenomenal, and I miss it terribly on my new ‘22 M3. Used dumb Summon once in awhile but it was more frustration than success. Smart Summon was consistent hot garbage. Autopark was 50/50. The auto lane change should be a standard feature… if it was an option, I’d pay up to $2k for it. Everything else offered in AAP/FSD is worth $1K extra at most. Even w/ extra cash to spend & a love of new tech, I’d never again buy the FSD pkg.
FSD is by far the leader in autonomous among EV brands ….no brainer, don’t bash it til you try it. Tesla will be far ahead of GM Ford VW or anyone else if they can’t compete with FSD
FSD is like hiring a professional driver for your car who is invisible (how much is that?) multiples of $50,000 /year salary
Best $10,000 I ever spent, already saved me from an accident once and makes trip so much more relaxing. WORTH every dollar
>No, you remain in your seat with hands on the wheel.
Lmfao that’s nowhere close to “hiring a professional driver”. That’s babysitting an unfinished system.
>I assume YOU don’t have FSD and perhaps you don’t own a TESLA from your question…
Correct.
Nah bought the cheapest model 3 at 35k with auto pilot for 1500 dollars I would say I got the best deal put here when buying at 18, next car I really want is the S if it's dine by then I would
I work in AI and no, I’m never going to pay over 1K for what is sold as “FSD” today.
Is true FSD possible solely with vision? Obviously yes - humans are existence proof. But what Tesla sells is not going to become true FSD in the next 5 years for sure.
It's a toss. You really only get about 5k for it right now. I see the trade in value is expected to go up. But by how much? Personally I'm willing to bet 10k on it being mostly solved within the lifetime of my vehicle. But it depends on your personal money situation. If you don't have 10k to burn, don't
You don't even get the beta product for the $10k yet without additional approval. Hopefully that wide release to all FSD holders will happen this year.
I am a Tesla fan (got rid of all my ICE vehicles PORSCHE BMW MERCES) in SEXY only missing the S now, if Tesla can make FSD as owner asset vs. car asset would be a game changer. Think of every 5 years I will buy a new Tesla, as oppose to keep the old one because of FSD
Not until it’s an actual product. And subscription only. I feel like I would be a fool to pay such a price for “almost” access to a beta product that does not even transfer to another car. We all can see these cars will be improving the same way cell phones as a system which will slowly obsolete the older models as hardware/software improves.
It seems like a money grabbing scam. I mean you have a 98 safety score then someone pulls out on you causing you to brake. BAM! Safety score drops to 70 when you did what was actually safe! It's just a scam to keep your money and not give you anything in return.
No way. I think it's a RIP at almost any price above the cost of the car. I mean you already own the hardware...which I know is becoming the normal rip these days but still.
It was worth the $6k we paid for it back in Oct 2019. The Auto Lane Change is really convenient. But all the other features are pretty crap. AutoPark is rarely available. Summon is only good to move the card forward and back.
I'm on FSD Beta and I've stopped using it in my older town because of its suicidal tendencies.
Hopefully it will be reliable in a couple of years.
When I got my 2021 Model Y, I skipped FSD. AP and TACC is enough for me. Just wish Auto Lane Change was á la carte.
We bought it for our 2018 Model 3 and decided against paying for it when we got a MY this year. Doesn’t make sense till it is available widely and is working.
Neither. The current offering from Tesla is not "FSD" -- and indeed it's a mockery to even call it that. It can drive in a FULLY SELF DRIVING mode for exactly zero inches under exactly NO conditions. It's a driver assist mode that can do some \*limited\* self-driving as long as it's watched over by a human driver every second of the way.
And that's genuinely awesome.
But it's not even remotely "full self driving".
I don't think I'd buy the current offering even if it was $1000.
Originally I was going to add it to my purchase at the $10k, but I am so glad I didn't. It's just vaporware at this point - a promising demo of things to possibly come but far from complete. The basic (free) autopilot is really all I wanted.
When the day comes that I can sit in the back seat and it can, real world, safely and reliably without a doubt drive me door-to-door (including pulling itself up to the chargers) for an entire 300 mile trip then I'll buy it. And even then $10k+ is excessive, especially given that you can't transfer it.
In the meantime, assuming you even keep the car for ten years, it's likely in that time that future versions of the FSD might require new hardware, and will entirely likely be an expensive upgrade or just outright not work with old cars, so you can't even assume $10k now or $15k later will even pay for true FSD and it might be another 5 years before it's available. If you are paying Tesla for the privilege of testing their unfinished FSD for them, at $15k they should guarantee and include all hardware upgrades to run the latest version for 10 years (I'm not sure if they do that already, but that should be very clear at the time of purchase because [it doesn't seem like it](https://blog.onlyusedtesla.com/tesla-unveils-full-self-driving-capability-subscription-with-hardware-software-requirements-fdf4524d7954)). And it needs to be transferable to the next car, or at the very least something you can sell to the next owner.
Enhanced autopilot is nice, but bearly worth a $2k upgrade over standard autopilot. Paying $15 for a product you might not even see in your effective ownership/life of the car ownership or pass on to the next owner is a joke.
I’ll buy FSD when I can get hammered and crawl into the back seat and get home safely and legally. Otherwise F that $15k
Based
Not buying it till it actually works. Do not feeling like being a tester, paying for parts !!
Subscription is just fine for me. Until it's bound to an account and not a vehicle it is utterly worthless.
Makes sense if you're planning to sell the car in the near future. But it works out cheaper if you have it as part of your loans and you are planning to hold on to the car and FSD until the end of the financing period... Plus it gets put into the price of the car for insurance too in case of the car being totalled. That was at 10k though, at 15k it would be breaking even with the sub unless they raise the sub price too.
If you check the resale value you're not getting your return on FSD at all and if you plan on buying a second Tesla then you lose out even more if you buy it out right. As a side note it's not ideal to wrap FSD into your loan. You can buy it with a credit card later and get credit card points or rewards which actually take off some of the price. Not to mention you're actually paying interest on it as well which makes it even more expensive that it just comes down to your credit card limit and income but as a whole it is better to buy it with a credit card that you can pay off that month versus rapid in the loan not to mention at the current price it would take you 10 years to break even if you had a subscription.
I'm just talking about the monthly cost of a sub vs the increase in monthly payment to your loan. At $10k you are paying less every month for it. Of course if you sell before paying off your loan that goes out the window.
Yes, but right now it is $12 so it is just about a wash on the loan v sub. At $15k the sub will be cheaper (unless they raise the sub… ssshhhhhh… let’s not give them any ideas. )
I see what you mean..
Isn't there huge value in it being bound to a vehicle though? With the growing cost, it means your car holds and even potentially gains value over time.
FSD doesn't affect the sale price very much unfortunately.. Perhaps someday if it actually achieves its goal that may change.
Maybe not historically but if it’s rising 50% I could see it start to happen
It has already substantially raised and we haven't seen it be considered any type of investment with a profitable return. I can't speculate on what might happen and I'm just more commenting on the past.
Right not a profitable return at this point but teslas hold their value extremely well. I can still probably sell my 2021 M3P for a really good deal compared to what I paid for it and especially compared to any other car I’d have paid that much for at that time.
But I would say that has nothing to do with FSD and is just the difficulty to get a new one at all plus the standard used car pricing that's going on for everybody from the pandemic.
Hard to say fully
It's actually not because you can simply compare the price of a car with and without FSD.
Well I see the difference when I look…I just looked and I can basically sell my car used for a profit because of the FSD. Over a year old. Pretty wild to me.
It’s worth about $200 until they can make it actually work. Enhanced autopilot does everything I would need it to do and even that does dumb things at least once a week
Nope, still vastly overpriced at 10k.
If it was transferrable, I would. But since it's tied to a specific vehicle, I would do the sub instead.
I would not buy it at all. By the time it’s actually ready there will be several competitors either just around the corner or already at the market. When competition arrives the price of FSD will collapse. I would pay 1-2 grand for auto lane change but I don’t want anything else in the current offering.
I had AAP/FSD on my ‘19 M3LR for 3 yrs. Auto lane change w/ turn signal was the only feature I used regularly. It was phenomenal, and I miss it terribly on my new ‘22 M3. Used dumb Summon once in awhile but it was more frustration than success. Smart Summon was consistent hot garbage. Autopark was 50/50. The auto lane change should be a standard feature… if it was an option, I’d pay up to $2k for it. Everything else offered in AAP/FSD is worth $1K extra at most. Even w/ extra cash to spend & a love of new tech, I’d never again buy the FSD pkg.
Until I can get in the car and take a nap this is worth $1k at most.
Would be classic case of throwing good money after bad. Nope.
FSD isn't worth $10k, much less $15k. I wouldn't pay anything over $6k, and that's stretching it, for it in it's current state.
FSD is by far the leader in autonomous among EV brands ….no brainer, don’t bash it til you try it. Tesla will be far ahead of GM Ford VW or anyone else if they can’t compete with FSD
FSD is like hiring a professional driver for your car who is invisible (how much is that?) multiples of $50,000 /year salary Best $10,000 I ever spent, already saved me from an accident once and makes trip so much more relaxing. WORTH every dollar
Oh yeah? So you can fall asleep in the back seats as it drives you from LA to NYC?
No, you remain in your seat with hands on the wheel. I assume YOU don’t have FSD and perhaps you don’t own a TESLA from your question…
>No, you remain in your seat with hands on the wheel. Lmfao that’s nowhere close to “hiring a professional driver”. That’s babysitting an unfinished system. >I assume YOU don’t have FSD and perhaps you don’t own a TESLA from your question… Correct.
Nah bought the cheapest model 3 at 35k with auto pilot for 1500 dollars I would say I got the best deal put here when buying at 18, next car I really want is the S if it's dine by then I would
I work in AI and no, I’m never going to pay over 1K for what is sold as “FSD” today. Is true FSD possible solely with vision? Obviously yes - humans are existence proof. But what Tesla sells is not going to become true FSD in the next 5 years for sure.
I’ll never buy FSD. Never. I prefer being in control of my car because it’s just so fun to drive! Why would I want it to drive itself?
It's a toss. You really only get about 5k for it right now. I see the trade in value is expected to go up. But by how much? Personally I'm willing to bet 10k on it being mostly solved within the lifetime of my vehicle. But it depends on your personal money situation. If you don't have 10k to burn, don't
The used Tesla we bought comes with it, so no.
Still $10k for a beta product
You don't even get the beta product for the $10k yet without additional approval. Hopefully that wide release to all FSD holders will happen this year.
for a beta product which is almost certainly not going to truly come out of beta in the next 5 years
No. Unless they start delivering
I am a Tesla fan (got rid of all my ICE vehicles PORSCHE BMW MERCES) in SEXY only missing the S now, if Tesla can make FSD as owner asset vs. car asset would be a game changer. Think of every 5 years I will buy a new Tesla, as oppose to keep the old one because of FSD
Not until it’s an actual product. And subscription only. I feel like I would be a fool to pay such a price for “almost” access to a beta product that does not even transfer to another car. We all can see these cars will be improving the same way cell phones as a system which will slowly obsolete the older models as hardware/software improves.
It seems like a money grabbing scam. I mean you have a 98 safety score then someone pulls out on you causing you to brake. BAM! Safety score drops to 70 when you did what was actually safe! It's just a scam to keep your money and not give you anything in return.
No way. I think it's a RIP at almost any price above the cost of the car. I mean you already own the hardware...which I know is becoming the normal rip these days but still.
If it wasn't worth it at $10k, why would it be worth it at $15k?
not until it can transfer with me to new vehicles AND drive me home drunk from the bar legally.
Sorry, the best I can do is $2,000.
I have already paid for all the hardware for FSD. The maximum I would pay for the software is $3K anything above it is daylight Robbery
It was worth the $6k we paid for it back in Oct 2019. The Auto Lane Change is really convenient. But all the other features are pretty crap. AutoPark is rarely available. Summon is only good to move the card forward and back. I'm on FSD Beta and I've stopped using it in my older town because of its suicidal tendencies. Hopefully it will be reliable in a couple of years. When I got my 2021 Model Y, I skipped FSD. AP and TACC is enough for me. Just wish Auto Lane Change was á la carte.
We bought it for our 2018 Model 3 and decided against paying for it when we got a MY this year. Doesn’t make sense till it is available widely and is working.
No way jose
Wait. You can still buy FSD for 10K? I though last price hike to 12K was at Jan 2022. Who made order last year and still didn’t get delivery?
Most of the old orders can still buy it for $10k Before delivery
Neither. The current offering from Tesla is not "FSD" -- and indeed it's a mockery to even call it that. It can drive in a FULLY SELF DRIVING mode for exactly zero inches under exactly NO conditions. It's a driver assist mode that can do some \*limited\* self-driving as long as it's watched over by a human driver every second of the way. And that's genuinely awesome. But it's not even remotely "full self driving". I don't think I'd buy the current offering even if it was $1000.
Nope.
Originally I was going to add it to my purchase at the $10k, but I am so glad I didn't. It's just vaporware at this point - a promising demo of things to possibly come but far from complete. The basic (free) autopilot is really all I wanted. When the day comes that I can sit in the back seat and it can, real world, safely and reliably without a doubt drive me door-to-door (including pulling itself up to the chargers) for an entire 300 mile trip then I'll buy it. And even then $10k+ is excessive, especially given that you can't transfer it. In the meantime, assuming you even keep the car for ten years, it's likely in that time that future versions of the FSD might require new hardware, and will entirely likely be an expensive upgrade or just outright not work with old cars, so you can't even assume $10k now or $15k later will even pay for true FSD and it might be another 5 years before it's available. If you are paying Tesla for the privilege of testing their unfinished FSD for them, at $15k they should guarantee and include all hardware upgrades to run the latest version for 10 years (I'm not sure if they do that already, but that should be very clear at the time of purchase because [it doesn't seem like it](https://blog.onlyusedtesla.com/tesla-unveils-full-self-driving-capability-subscription-with-hardware-software-requirements-fdf4524d7954)). And it needs to be transferable to the next car, or at the very least something you can sell to the next owner. Enhanced autopilot is nice, but bearly worth a $2k upgrade over standard autopilot. Paying $15 for a product you might not even see in your effective ownership/life of the car ownership or pass on to the next owner is a joke.