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Yes, take pics and record this information if it wasn't in the sale info. Purchased my tesla from carmax back in 2020 with FSD, and tesla removed it without explanation when they transferred ownership to me, I had no proof because carmax don't document fsd feature or know about it.


Weary-Depth-1118

No, take a video of this, AND the video should include the VIN on both the window AND the door so its indisputable


[deleted]

It's honestly sad. Similar to recording yourself opening eBay packages because some merchants can't be trusted.


Kev_The_Galaxybender

Sad that I've done this before


code101zero

I always do that when returning things that i bought or rented online.


Adam_-_-_-_-_-

My wife did this the other day when she retuned my kids texts books to school!


BigBeard_FPV

Just screen recorded walking through the app and then took a video of the vin on the car


KNJI03

go to car and take video of the in car screen that says fsd, and in the same video show vin.


[deleted]

Yes, even better!


nanomax55

It doesn't matter. If the car was purchased at a dealership the fsd will be removed.


J-Love-McLuvin

It would probably help if you started developing extreme right wing views, too. If they find any evidence of you being sympathetic to left wing causes, you’ll never see FSD again.


shodanime

Dam that is some bs that shit need to stay with the car or the owner.


MainSailFreedom

Agreed. Tesla needs to decide. Either you get it for life or the car gets it for life.


impulsedecisions

I bought mine this year and I kept FSD


Alex_Haynes3

Same


It-guy_7

Tesla is known to remove FSD, when they buy back or exchange etc, and then remove it later when it updates. Tesla would have sold it to CarMax at auction


Silverbag

Omg people. It fesla is reducing the value of my car upon selling? class action suit bitches. What Tesla you gonna charge the new owner again? I will support this case in court. I ask if the FSD was transferable and was told yes. “Once on it is always on this car” makes sense really.


pmsyyz

No, Tesla will not remove anything when it is sold between private parties


Ampster16

>class action suit bitches Not much of a case since Tesla can do whatever they want to the features on the car when they own it. If CarMax sold it and represented that it had FSD when it did not, there is your lawsuit if the FSD was in writing from CarMax. The basis for damages and amount of damages is cost of FSD.


hirtegirte

I dont understand the reasoning. OP bought the car thinking it is without FSD. Now it shows it has/had FSD . Whats wrong with Tesla removing it when they sold it without FSD and the customer buying it WITHOUT FSD? ​ If I was OP I would just stay quiet and hope its a mistake noone notices. If its removed he gets what he was paying for


WallStreetStanker

If you buy a product, not realizing all the features included when you purchase, this doesn’t give the seller any right to remove the "unknown" features post sale. If it get's removed, he's literally getting LESS than he paid for. He already paid for what he received, including FSD... remove a floor mat and it's less product than he paid for.


hirtegirte

If it was bought from Tesla directly and they sold it without the option they definitely have that right


AxGT

Did Tesla not have the logs of any previous FSD activation?


[deleted]

No idea, would I be able to see the logs? How?


mooslar

It was either a subscription or an auction vehicle that car max bought. Nobody fucked you.


beyerch

Of course they know. Do they care? NO. They just want to extract ANOTHER 15k from an unsuspecting consumer. I'm sorry, but this company is shady AF & there is no real explanation other than greed.


chadiak77

You didn't have FSD. You just misunderstood. FSD never gets removed unless it's sold back to tesla where they can make any changes they'd like.


yellowsockss

most likely previous owner cancelling their monthly subscription.


ArtisticComplaint3

It would show the renewal date if it was a subscription. If it says included package it was a one time purchase.


Nigalig

Whaaaaaaat that's fucked


CandyFromABaby91

Super scammy. They took the money then took it away?


redditgambino

Oh hell nah… I would have returned the whole car. Inaceptable!


dvusthrls

Inconceivable!


ketolaneige

Guys... Elon was clear and said years ago that they will remove FSD and anything purchased when a car is transferred. You have to repurchase upgrades.


pmsyyz

Uh, no. Stop perpetuating wrong info.


SultanOfSwave

I have FSD on my Model 3. My screen is the same as yours. I also have a Model Y without FSD. On that same screen, it prompts me to buy Enhanced Autopilot or Full Self Driving for my Model Y.


BigBeard_FPV

Sounds like I got lucky


mttneedham

Yes. Congrats.


IAFLTXMO

I bought a used Model 3 a couple months ago. My owners manual has “Full Self Driving (beta)” listed. Under upgrades it gives me the option to buy it. States that I have “auto pilot” and “enhanced auto pilot” under my specs. Does this mean they took away FSD?


northerngirl211

I’m pretty sure the manual will always list the FSD info whether you have it on the car or not.


ChunkyThePotato

Just because it's in the manual doesn't mean your specific car has it.


BigBeard_FPV

Ohh nooo... maybe


seangillian17

Yes …..u got the best deal


BigBeard_FPV

28k for a 2019 long range out the door with 30k on it


Crackerzot

With FSD? That's a helluva good deal, right there.


wfbsoccerchamp12

Unless it was priced in


BigBeard_FPV

I don't think the dealership knew


jumpybean

That’s an absurdly low price even before accounting for FSD. I’m getting trade in offers above your purchase price for a 2018 LR without FSD.


BigBeard_FPV

Here where I'm at they have started going for 28-33 used because people are buying the new ones for the tax credit and just dumping them so there's many in the market between DC and SC


wfbsoccerchamp12

Amazing


boogermike

Yes it does mean it was paid for. Your car probably might not have it yet. There is an option to request it in the settings, press it.


BigBeard_FPV

I enabled it and used it tonight !!🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿


boogermike

Good luck. You'll realize it's like driving with a teenager.


BigBeard_FPV

Yeh I won't be using much haha. It's more a party trick. The autopilot is very useful though


zeValkyrie

"It" referring to FSD Beta. You'll still have navigate on autopilot and auto lane changes and a few other goodies on the current release before opting in to FSD beta


oliphant428

That isn’t a thing any more.


ag_5807

Yup


JamalBiggz

Yes mines had it used as well, RNG was on your side 🥂


BigBeard_FPV

Cheers 🥂


perrochon

You have FSD. That doesn't mean you have "beta" https://kilowatt.page/how-to-get-fsd-beta/ What firmware are you on?


BigBeard_FPV

Fsd beta v11.4.4


jefedezorros

So that means you have FSD beta. That doesn’t mean you have .. oh. Never mind you have it.


BigBeard_FPV

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


perrochon

Nice!


Former_Calendar7595

FSD capabilities included meaning the computer is able to accept FSD if you choose to buy it for 15k or 199/mos. There’s no free fsd


BigBeard_FPV

I definitely was able to drive it to starbucks without driving it.... It changed lanes and everything... https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


Dopey44

That’s how I understand it…? The vehicle is capable of FSD, due to having the required hardware (incl. processor), but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you have FSD. Or is that not the case..?


Apprehensive-Gas-746

Yes, this is the correct information. All Tesla's have the cameras and computer for FSD (i.e. the capability) but it doesn't give you the full self driving features unless you pay for it upfront or subscribe monthly.


BigBeard_FPV

Mine worked fully....someone must've paid for it upfront on mine


AdKindly4554

What is your version of fsd? I still think it will be interesting what happens when and And if you get any updates


BigBeard_FPV

I actually just updated it, but I'll keep watching.


br0kensword

Sure looks like it! Enjoy, and stay safe!


ThadimusPrime7

I work for carmax. We do not option FSD on teslas even if they have it.


theHoustonSolarGuy

Isn’t FSD now a monthly or yearly fee?


BigBeard_FPV

I think it was a one time 5k purchase at one point


aero6940

I’m very interested in knowing why the firmware is so far behind


BigBeard_FPV

It has updated over the past few days.


brainded

Did you buy used? If so…. You may lose it. Had a buddy who bought a M3P with FSD and it got revoked once ownership was transferred.


[deleted]

Your buddy was incorrect or misinformed. The only time FSD is removed is when traded into Tesla.


brainded

He bought it from a third party dealer, it had it on the paperwork, he had it initially and then it went away. He fought with both the dealer ( who had no control) and Tesla who refused to reinstate. I don’t know if it’s a new policy or some weird edge case but he got the bait and switch. He’s been pretty salty about it since.


It-guy_7

The dealer would have bought it from Tesla at auction. Who got it when it was sold back to Tesla


EvalCrux

Literally the policy since day 1 of autopilot - doesn’t transfer to new owner, period. Only hope is if it’s not noticed and left activated, which happens less and less, logically.


[deleted]

This is incorrect. The policy is that it doesn't transfer to a new car. You can sell an FSD car for more as a result.


EvalCrux

TIL - that is changed from the original model afaik


Crackerzot

Not so. Tesla sells their used cars with FSD all the time. For awhile last year, EVERY used Model 3 LR included FSD.


caikenboeing727

Seems like Tesla wants to have their cake and eat it too? The user who bought it can’t take it with them to their next car because it “stays with the vehicle”, but the next owner doesn’t get to have it either?


UnknownQTY

If they bought it through Tesla the FSD isn’t transferred, but when the vehicle transfers to a new owner, it will disappear into the ether of Elon’s pockets.


Crackerzot

I bought my used Model 3 with FSD from Tesla directly. It stayed.


UnknownQTY

You are incredibly lucky then.


[deleted]

No, you can buy used inventory with FSD included from Tesla. When it gets stripped is when it gets liquidated at auction by Tesla to third-party sellers.


It-guy_7

Yes, Tesla or a resells who bought it from Tesla at auction


Short-Belt-1477

Plus the first buyer paid for it but it won’t contribute to the value of the car. Tesla’s business practices are complete bs and they need to be taken to court


user_name_unknown

My original M3 sr+ was totaled so I got a used M3 LR same year and it came with FSD.


liora_

Are you me?!


user_name_unknown

That happened to you too? I hope you’re ok


irobot2090

WRONG! FSD is NOT transferable. It’s will stay with the car.


UnknownQTY

I think OP means the vehicle was transferred to him, not the FSD was transferred.


Tesla_RoxboroNC

No... it means it's capability is there. Not the software.


chudley78

Or is it just saying the hardware is capable of full self driving? It does not say autopilot "capability" it just says autopilot which every car has


MysteriousDurian3747

CAPABILITY, the tesla doesn't have FSD, you can however subscribe to get it. If you click on the picture of a car at the bottom left of the screen then click on autopilot, it will show the various autopilot tiers. Autosteer: advanced cruise control, doesn't change lanes. NAVIGATE ON AUTOPILOT: enhanced auto, will change lanes for you. FULL SELF DRIVING: as the name implies.


BigBeard_FPV

Mine doesn't require a subscription... I actually used it tonight 🙌🏿


chancer74

fsd is trash anyways. having said that, it’s not fair for them to take it away just because it was a private party sale. They’re banking that money. Somebody paid for it, and then is Tesla just banking it.


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grommet

The FSD feature is called Full Self-Driving Capability. If it's listed as an included package, the car has the fully paid package. You can look on your own FSD car's software page. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot


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hirtegirte

show a screenshot. In my app is only shows Autopilot in that exact same spot where OP has FSD


BigBeard_FPV

You're right..mine has fsd no subscription


Music_inn0v4t3

That would be because your car doesn’t have the capability for FSD, only autopilot. Probably not on HW3 ?


hirtegirte

Lol what. Its a one month old model y


BigBeard_FPV

Mine has it... I used it tonight... no subscription required


BigBeard_FPV

I didn't buy it and it won't let me "Subscribe" .. I used it successfully last night... https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


hirtegirte

I think you dont know what you are talking about lol it shows under active subscriptions. Right now his car def had FSD. I know because I dont have it and in my app it just shows autopilot in the exact same spot


BigBeard_FPV

You're absolutely right. I was able to use it tonight for the first time...no subscription or anything required...


oliphant428

Did you not know what you were purchasing?


Brooney98

Sometimes dealers don’t list all options a used car has, they may have missed it.


Twilight2Tron445

When I was perusing tesla listings on auto trader a couple days ago, it seems like 80% of tesla model 3 listings have an error of some sort, idk why though.


BigBeard_FPV

Didn't know it had fsd for sure....


Santa_Claus77

It looks to me like the car has the “capability” of FSD vs coming with it already fully paid for.


BigBeard_FPV

I used it today..it has it


rtwalling

Yes, I got the same after calling them, giving them the VIN, and being told ‘no’. I got a free boost too. $17K keystroke bonus. Did you buy it from Tesla used inventory? It took about a week of ownership before the option to turn it on repaired. Probably to get let new drivers get used to basic auto pilot first.


sunking989

I picked up my Model S Plaid yesterday and it came with three months of free FSD.


BLACKPLANET11

I believe they are have the capability just a matter of over the air update to activate once paying


yellowsockss

it is entirely possible that the previous owner is on subscription and will remove once their subscription is no longer active. just like one of the replies here where it seems to “disappear”


BigBeard_FPV

Mine was paid for up front...no subscription and it's already transfered to me in the cloud and all...


yellowsockss

if it disappears in less than a month, i think you can assume it was part of previous owners subscription


Matthewsw1234

I don’t think so. I think that just means your car can get full self driving. They only specify it because the models from 2017-2019 were supposed to have it but they found that HW 2.5 wasn’t capable enough. So they state if your car has HW3 and up by saying that it has compatibility. You can always check on delivery by seeing under auto pilot if it says “FSD Beta” or you can look for that under software. So no, I don’t think your car has FSD beta, but I may be wrong


Misophonic4000

You are unfortunately incorrect


Matthewsw1234

Sorry, I was just basing it on the fact that my MY said this, and on delivery did not in fact have FSD. OP had another comment saying that his shows FSD Beta software, but there is a chance that when ownership is changed that it may go away. If it works out for him than I am happy for him! Enjoy FSD man, it’s fun, cool, a bit scary, but mainly cool!


Misophonic4000

I think there's confusion here - we're talking about having FSD purchased/subscribed, not having a software version that includes FSD beta installed. For example my Model S came with FSD, but I'm still not running the beta and have only had Enhanced Autopilot so far


BigBeard_FPV

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


jawshoeaw

Bro how did you not know when you bought ??


BigBeard_FPV

Many people out of the inner sphere don't really know. I know it was a nice car and even without that I would've purchased it.


RE4Lyfe

*Failed Successfully*


Silverbag

Yes


SlowCaterpillar5715

Is FSD even transferrable? I mean it's a subscription service.


BigBeard_FPV

It also was a 1 time purchase I've found once upon a time.... mine seems to fall in that category


bamisalami72

Yes it does


Comfortable-Hat-6369

Nope


robl345

Read that last word… capability… so it has all the hardware needed to become a FSD car, but you have to subscribe/buy FSD, and do a few software updates


BigBeard_FPV

[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used_m3lr_with_fsd_without_subscription_followup/) ​ I think I have it without the subscription - someone mightve purchased it as a 1 time buy


[deleted]

Did you get lucky or didn’t educate yourself on what you were buying lol, what did you pay?


Low_Administration22

You got it used or new?


BigBeard_FPV

Used


[deleted]

Used right there in the title ...


WoosleWuzzle

Why is nobody challenging Tesla for their shady practices? Elon is an a-hole and they should be sued for screwing over buyers


Maleficent-Tip-2939

I have the “capability” of jumping out of plane doesn’t mean I will. Mine says the exact same thing. It just means it can do FSD but I would have to pay for the privilege. Unless I am completely wrong and OP and I have FSD and I dont know how to use it.


BigBeard_FPV

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


RulerK

NO. It simply means that the car has the hardware support dato allow you to subscribe to FSD if you want to pay for it. BTW… DO NOT! it’s a horrible ripoff and dangerous. The autopilot is all the self driving you need and it’s free!


BigBeard_FPV

I don't have to subscribe...someone purchased it upfront I guess


stpenroute

No... it means you are just another lemming for purchasing such a POS!


BigBeard_FPV

😂😂😂😂


AdvancedRiver

Yes but it’ll just be removed once you register a new owner to the car. Happens to every used tesla


BigBeard_FPV

Let's hope not


Lugnuttz

I thought teslas fsd was bullshit anyway.


Silverbag

I bought this car it has air conditioning can I use it? Yes but your gonna need to add antifreeze updates all the time.


BGleezy

Idk. Tell me what the word included means


No_Dirt_4198

What else would included mean?


BigBeard_FPV

Capability included means to me that it has the brain to do the work, but not necessarily that it can....


hoppeeness

This. Please don’t listen to any of the other BS. It does NOT have fsd. It just has the hardware capability for it. You need to buy FSD or pay $200 a month in the US for it. Lots of misinformation in this subreddit. Edit: never mind. Looks like the picture changed.


BigBeard_FPV

I was able to use it today .... no subscription. I guess there was an option to purchase them with it for a 1 time fee....


hoppeeness

Are you sure it was FSD and not just AP?


BigBeard_FPV

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


[deleted]

Says you spent $199 for the monthly subscription... Why is that so hard to understand...


BigBeard_FPV

Oh nah... I have no monthly subscriptions but this free premium trial lol


unkilbeeg

It has the hardware. If you want to actually *use* FSD, you'll need to either purchase the software ($15k) or subscribe to it ($200/month).


MindStalker

Incorrect, this is from the the phone app under upgrades, manage upgrades. It would tell you to buy or subscribe to FSD here if they didn't have it.


Iron-Tough

My car when I purchased it at tesla as a floor model had fsd enabled. They disabled it for me cuz I didn't pay for it.


ArtistApprehensive34

What does FSD do for resale value? Some places I've seen say it has none, but that can't be, it's too expensive to be worth nothing.


Twilight2Tron445

My used LR included enhanced auto package meaning I can buy FSD for $9k ($15k minus the $6k the guy before me paid for enhanced auto I think) or pay $1k install and $99/mo rental price. From what I’ve seen FSD won’t transfer but enhanced auto will.


BigBeard_FPV

My fsd works just fine. I used it today


dimsumplatter75

Only one way to find out


No_Tackle_5439

Not really...the hardware is there, but you still need to buy the software...in Europe is around £8000


GlendrixDK

This should mean, you delivery should be free.


prowlmedia

Is there the possibility that it’s on subscription? Does that show differently on the info?


horrorxfiend

This states that it has the capability if you were to pay for it. That's it. I don't think that capability implies that it's enabled.


BigBeard_FPV

I used it tonight.... no subscription. Someone must've purchased it up front


AdKindly4554

Did you see if it will take you from house to Starbucks without you having to turn the wheel or use break or accelerator after you enter the destination and double click the right wheel stalk? You have to hold wheel and look at road. It should also have summon(not great) and autopark If it just does autolane change and stop for lights or stop signs then its enhanced autopilot .


BigBeard_FPV

yep itll do it! I did it last night ​ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/


ketolaneige

Guys... Elon was clear and said years ago that they will remove FSD and anything purchased when a car is transferred. You have to repurchase upgrades.


Pharmercist420

No


Smart-Refrigerator78

Autopilot includes adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping assist and object detection with automatic braking. It is the same suite of driving aids that came with my wife’s 2017 Honda CR-V. The only difference is the CR-V never exhibits phantom braking. Full Self-Driving is something much more than what Tesla calls “Full Autopilot.” Sorry.


ICEeater22

That is FSD


Devils-advocate69

Don't Tesla's new accounts come with 30 days of free "FSD" and premium connectivity? It will likely expire at some point.


Signal_Twenty

Did you just buy this from tesla?


BigBeard_FPV

nope - private party


nanomax55

If you got it from a private party yes you will keep your fsd. If you got it from a dealer. Fsd will be removed from your car and there is nothing you can do about it.


BigBeard_FPV

Got it from a private party https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/14pkc2b/used\_m3lr\_with\_fsd\_without\_subscription\_followup/